The winter of discontent

Have the players really not tried?
Have the players really not tried?
During Newcastle United’s recent defeat at Watford the fans gave an awful lot of stick to the players. My question is; was it justified and what do the fans hope to achieve?

From what I understand, the Toon Army began the game in good voice and showed support to to the Magpies. But as soon as we went a goal down the atmosphere changed. Steve McClaren suffered chants of; ‘you don’t know what you’re doing’ and ‘you’re getting sacked in the morning’. The fans generally chanted; ‘we want our money back’ and; ‘we’re sh*t and we’re sick of it’. Florian Thauvin fell over and promptly received chants of; ‘you’re not fit to wear the shirt’. He was boo’d after several touches of the ball.

Now I am also sick of the regime and the sub standard signings, non signings and complete lack of ambition. The chants alluding to fans being ‘sick of it’ are fair enough.

Only 4% of fans wanted Steve McClaren when we ran our own pole and results were similar elsewhere. Since he signed we have been pretty much been rooted to the bottom three, have crashed out of both cups when we really should have progressed (Watford and Sheffield Wednesday both played below strength sides) and we have now failed to score in 4 games in a row. Not looking good for McClaren. BUT…. We all knew he was not good enough before he came here. So whats the point in directing abuse at him? Is it going to make him perform any better? He is allegedly on the board so we need to be careful we don’t make him spiteful. He is Charnley’s main pick so he will be as close to bullet proof as a manager can get.

Maybe the chants at him will encourage him to resign sooner, but if he walks away he won’t get a top job again – so there is no chance he will walk. He is an optimist and will cling onto the belief that he can turn this around. If we keep directing anger at him, its possible we will unsettle the dressing room even further and make the pressure too great for the team to achieve results.

Thauvin has been a major flop so far. An expensive one that can’t even show enough to get a run in the starting line up. But again, what is booing him and telling him he’s rubbish going to achieve? Is it going to make him step up his game? Not a chance. Look at him. He is all about the fashion and adulation! He clearly needs a cuddle and support to realise his potential. Giving him constant stick will make him crumble. We have to accept that modern footballers (especially ones like him with his tuxedos and perfect hair styles) get their confidence from support. Old school bollockings rarely work any more.

There is a transfer window open and we need to attract good players to the club if we want to avoid relegation. What kind of message do you think the fans at Watford were sending to prospective signings? if I were them, I’d be thinking twice about signings if that the kind of reception I can expect. We have a tough enough job to recruit quality players as it is given our position in the league.

Finally, we pride ourselves on being the best fans in the Country. Fanatical support home and away etc. We always say we don’t necessarily expect the side to win, but we expect effort. Well maybe i’m blind but the last few games our team has shown intent, kept possession well, put in plenty of crosses and has tried to score goals. The defending has improved a lot too. The team is clearly trying, but lacks quality. Thats the board’s fault for years of sub standard signings. We should not be snagging off a team that tries. It makes us look really, really bad and I have seen lots of comments from Watford fans that say we are a disgrace for doing so! It also contradicts the message we usually put across about forgiving anything but lack of effort.

If we want to get a message across, then direct it at those responsible for this mess we find ourselves in – the board, Mike Ashley and Sports Direct. Leave the manager and players alone and sing in unison against the way the club is run. Get your placards out around the stadium against Ashley, Charnley and SD and boycott games.

Make it clear it’s the way the club is run that’s got the fans angry. Don’t take the easy route and blame the cannon fodder that is the cheap players and manager.

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37 thoughts on “The winter of discontent

  1. That’s fine Sham. Nice article and dead right about the best fans in the world. I only heard the game on radio but for much of the game the fans were loud and backing the team in full voice.
    I still have some optimism. In the last 6 league games we have 7 points. 18 to go – that form (hard to believe I know) would keep us up.

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  2. Booing foreign players who have only been here a few months? The fans have got every right to do it, but I can’t see it having a positive effect too often…

    More likely they’re going to think sod it and keep taking their wages until they go off somewhere else.

    The spirit around the club has gradually dissipated over the last few years…what do the players have to play for other than their wages when there’s so little positivity? Love from the fans is up and down and almost universally negative about our current squad. It can’t be fun to be a NUFC player right now and I know it’s no fun to be a fan…

    Fans SHOULD support the team and boost players to try 100%. Players SHOULD try their best in every game and give the fans something to shout about. Problem is, when we have neither, which one comes first?

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  3. GEORGIO

    Loud, yes. Passionate, yes. But also currently nervous and prone to being negative. Undoubtably some of the greatest fans in the world and we’ve been grossly taken advantage of for a decade. I just wish the club leadership could reflect the way the fans want our club run.

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  4. Saivet could adapt to the PL really quickly and be a star here…but…that’s a big “could”! Probably a decent squad played, expect a contribution similar to Goofy in his first couple of seasons would be a fair result. Would be very happy to be surprised.

    Shelvey is a bit of a ****, and I’m not sure what his issue is at Swansea, but he’d be a very welcome addition to our midfield.

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  5. 99% GEORGIO. Funny thing is, SSN and Wikipedia describe him as a winger, yet Transfermarkt said he can play on the wing but his main position is more attacking midfield. I always thought he was the latter to be honest. Either way, a welcome replacement for Obertan.

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  6. knew it, another bloody French mf/winger, Carr better have this one right for all our sakes.
    Cheers Shamrock, I agree, from what I read we were unlucky, there’s that word again, on Saturday. We were putting in plenty of decent crosses but not finishing well as usual. So obviously the board will rush out and get a proven quality forward, oh wait, it’s another French midfielder. Never mind booing the players, many of whom have been sold a lie I reckon, let’s be booing the Board and owner.

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  7. I feel for Mitro. He’s missing chance after chance and it’s costing us big time especially the last 3 games. The trouble seems to stem from him playing on his heels. He never goes to meet the ball, always waits for it to come to him. And he can never sort his feet out quick enough. I reckon he should see a ballet/dance coach or gymnastics coach. He needs to get more mobile and sharper.

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  8. Georgio, I said the other day, all of the forward players are rushing snatching at their chances now and that’s down to our general form. I also think that they realise that if our defence lets one or more in we have no way back and that’s why we crumble so quickly. I do think they are trying and working harder of late and we HAVE been unlucky on a few occasions. Saturday was a Gini blooper which cost us in a game we really should of won, even the Watford fans think so.

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  9. Shamrock
    I’ve been advocating that stance for years. It’s not the manager. He can’t help being sub standard.
    There’s one man that is to blame and that’s Ashley for appointing people who aren’t up to the job, none more so than Charnley.
    Again, it’s not Charnleys fault. The owner sets the standards and they are cascaded down.

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  10. Story ‘re: Shelvey is that he’s been told by McC he will be encouraged to be creative and get forward and at with freedom. Basically be our latest version of Cabeye. No pressure then!

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  11. Yes Troy. If fans want to protest then they need to take a step back and askthemselves: what is to blame? How can we get the message across so it sticks? They then need to make a plan and coordinate and stick to the plan. Pockets of discontent aimed at the monkeys every so often does nothing except contribute to bad form and solves nothing.

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  12. On another note it wouldn’t surprise me of Mitro is off loaded this summer. I know it’s early doors for him but I don’t see how he can improve drastically which he needs to.

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  13. If Shelvey comes in as an attacking midfielder, where does that leave De Jong and Gini?o idea how we are supposed to accommodate all these CMs.

    Maybe time for De Jong to go too?

    We need a big clear out pronto.

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  14. Kimtoon: They made a Movie/Documentary about Bowie’s last concert as Ziggy Stardust. I saw it in an Indie Theatre a couple of years ago. If you haven’t seen it you can probably get a DVD or maybe even Youtube. I think it is just called – Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars. It will also remind you how great Mick Ronson was.

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  15. Shamrock: I think Gini is safe and will probably be the Number 10 with Perez on the wing (if played). De Jong has to prove his fitness. I will never complain about having too many options with our fitness record and we have lacked competition for places for years. Sure, somebody’s favourite player might be left out now and again but them’s the breaks.

    You identified 4 midfielders who should be shunted out ASAP and not many would argue with you. An overhaul is long overdue and even with Anita putting in a few decent performances they have been few and far between. He and Colback have created very few chances and do not work as a tandem and it looks like Tiote is after a final payday.

    Everybody has identified central midfield as a weakness so bringing in 2 new players can only be a good thing.

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  16. I think Shelvey would be a good addition. He does make the odd “hollywood” pass but that would make a change from all the current sideways passes. He will also have a pop from distance which none of our lot seem to do (please no Tiote, don’t Shoooooot). Sissoko has improved a lot recently but doesn’t bloody shoot. There just isn’t the confidence in our squad to take a speculative shot at the moment, who knows we may even get a rebound.

    One of the things I saw about Saturday is Swansea fans saying Shelvey was shooting too much from 40 yards. I think we can discount that performance as his head was obviously not in the game.

    He seems to have been around forever but is only 23.

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  17. Eric@19, Seen it and pretty much all the stuff on him. Still in shock tbh, can’t believe he won’t be making more music.

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  18. Also 10-12 mil seems a decent deal in today’s market for an England international. He has only started one game and was MOM. Remember also that Stevie Me played his position until recently so his chances would have been limited. I think he has been in the squad 5 or 6 times so is not a Colback one pick wonder.

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  19. Kimtoon: he wasn’t afraid to do something different. Imagine him on X Factor 🙂 That show and American Idol over here is killing musical creativity.

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  20. Shelvey will either be a masterstroke or almighty flop, there will be no middle ground. The guy has undoubted talent but must apply it.

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  21. Eric, People like Bowie only come along once in a blue moon and you won’t find one on the likes of xfactor or such shows. On Mick Ronson, amazingly talented guy who contributed so much to Bowies early tracks with his arrangements. Classically trained and it showed, David was lucky to have him alongside him.

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  22. Where are these reports about Shelvey telling his mates and McClaren telling him what he wants?

    Fancy De Jong and Tiote will be sold this month.

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  23. Eric, were you aware that one of his early bands The Manish boys had a certain little known guitarist called Jimmy Page? Just a session player back then.

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  24. STUART there is a piece saying that think its Daily/Ex,its on news now site cannot copy and paste on this thing

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  25. STUART heres another one

    ww.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3393823/Jonjo-Shelvey-ready-sign-five-year-deal-Newcastle-12million-falling-favour-Swansea.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campa

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  26. Kimtoon: I know Page did a lot of session work and some stuff with John Mayall. I think everybody knew everybody back then. I saw Robert Plant at a free outdoor concert a couple of years ago and he did about 5 Zeppelin songs which I was very surprised by as he was promoting a new album.

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  27. At least we are looking at experienced players. Pards started Shelvey for Charlton when he was 16 so even though he is only 23 he has 7 years of professional football behind him and mostly in the PL.

    I am not averse to signing kids with a view to the future, but not all at once expecting them all to click straight away.

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  28. RIP Bowie

    loved him as a kid when my parents listened to him, through my experimental teens 😀 still play his Albums, Spiders from Mars and Aladdin Sane my favourites but could listen to any of his songs. 😥

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