On a day where we should’ve been targeting a comfortable three points, we’ve ended up crawling over the line against a newly promoted Cardiff – in a game that has to go down as one of the most frustrating watches as a Newcastle United fan.
Quite incredibly, our 10 men could and should have won it late one, only for Kenedy to see his tame 96th minute penalty saved. How he was allowed to take it after such a dreadful display is beyond me.
We deserved nothing from that. Us taking a point will be bad enough if you’re a Cardiff fan, so the fact we very nearly took all three is quite unbelievable really.
It was an absolutely shocking first half. So many cheap free kicks and corners (which was infuriating given this would’ve clearly been identified as their best route to a goal) so little options on the ball, a lack of intensity and a total lack of quality.
Manquillo was dreadful (and was hauled off by Rafa at the break), Diame wasn’t nearly as influential as we’ve seen recently, Perez was woeful and an isolated Joselu frustrated. That being said, it’s unfair to pick out too many individuals when the collective performance was WAY below what we showed against Spurs last Saturday.
Our first half was perhaps summed up by the fact Kenedy had failed to complete a single pass in 45 minutes of action (the first Premier League player to do this since 2010) – and he should’ve seen red after kicking out at Victor Camarasa!
It could only get better in the second half – but it got worse.
We showed no urgency, lacked intensity and our discipline was non existent – which was summed up by Isaac Hayden’s reckless challenge that saw him sent off with 25 minutes left on the clock. He may be frustrated that a move hasn’t materialised, but it was idiotic. Both he, Kenedy and Manquillo could’ve seen red.
With City, Chelsea and Arsenal up next, it’s fair to say our performance level will have to be upped considerably if we want to avoid an absolute towelling or two.
A woeful and worrying display, but at least it’s a point!
A reality check for those who believe Kenedy is a wonder boy. The worst player on the pitch (and that’s saying something) was never going to score that penalty. Did he actually do anything positive at all today? Headless chicken we’ve heard of so many others. This performance was the ultimate example.
By the way I am always of the glass half full type but don’t quite see what others do in the Brazilian.
Tonytoon(Quote)
thanks for thread but toon were that **** its not worth talking about ccc here we come if we keep playing that ****
icedog(Quote)
The players were ***** today – I don’t need to point that out to anyone. Zero passion, motivation or quality. Shelvey was the only one who seemed to try but was surrounded by *****. We nicked a draw so if we scored that pen I think a public apology would have been in order.
But I for will put blame on Rafa too. Before a ball was kicked, how many were confident in that starting 11??.
Kenedy was horrible today, yet he left him on and took Ritchie off?!?!?!!!
Sharpy17(Quote)
Finally, someone has presented the other view about Ashley. I have a really hard time listening to Carragher because of that high pitched Scouse accent but when I do he usually makes sense. Actually, I usually read his column in The Telegraph to avoid his voice. So, by my count it is 7-1 in favour of Ashley.
https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/his-way-nufc-relegated-twice-15045330
Eric Sykes(Quote)
If Kenedy gets a three match ban perhaps Roberts should be given a short appearance. I am not too keen on Atsu. I think he has been given too many chances and failed to show he is good enough. Of course Roberts lacks Premiership experience but today he couldn’t have been worse than Kenedy. I also think we should encourage our young players. Other teams do. I think we should let Hayden go. He wants to be away and may have an unsettling effect on the team. He’s not that good. He was ok in the Championship.
Groucho(Quote)
mitro scores for Fulham
kimtoon(Quote)
You couldn’t make it up.. now Mitro scores for Fulham… I would let Hayden go… his heart is not in it and he wants away… still time for h8m to go to a championship side on loan.
Don’t know what’s up wit( Kenedy… our best player last week and dreadful this week.
Ings scores and then Wilson for Bournemouth…
Dubai Toon(Quote)
Thank God the other teams are struggling to gel at the moment. Although Mitro on the scoresheet…
Stuart79(Quote)
Also don’t understand why Hayden was sent on at RB when Fernandez was on the bench.
Sharpy17(Quote)
What I liked about what he said was that Jabba had his side of the story getting out there through media and papers ect… He then went on to explain why it isn’t working and Jabba is wrong.
Stuart79(Quote)
Not to miss Gayle scoring for WBA today and sounding like he’s played a big part in what is a 6-1 win at the moment
Sharpy17(Quote)
The McClaren effect working quicker than I imagined… Just the 7-1 today.
Stuart79(Quote)
What baffles me is just how divided the journalists and pundits are about Ashleys approach?!?!?!!
Sharpy17(Quote)
***! The million quid on Soccer Saturday is all depending on a pen! FFS!!! The pen was saved (which they needed) and then put in on the rebound! How to lose a million…
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy, just have a think about the people who are backing him. Sky TV leak his little messages from Harold Bishop and that’s because David Craig is also a client of Bishops. Denis Wise who got employed by Ashley and got a pay off. Richard Keys, who two years ago was slagging Ashley off. He’s only backi g ashley now because he dislikes Rafa so much – always has.
Stuart79(Quote)
Bet he was wishing Kenedy was taking it!!!
Sharpy17(Quote)
??
Stuart79(Quote)
Can’t wait to play Chelsea next week… ?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – don’t worry too much mate, he’ll probably put Hazard back in next week man.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Wouldn’t mind playing Arsenal if they’re playing like this. They’ve missed two open goals.
Stuart79(Quote)
Football eh – bloody hell!
Stuart79(Quote)
Could be worse:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-6074133/Baggies-hit-six-second-half-goals-hammer-QPR-Championship-clash-Hawthorns.html
That picture of McClaren is all too familiar. I just skimmed the article but a 7-1 defeat usually means you are on thin ice especially as it is 3 defeats to start the season. My guess is 3 games to save his job?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
You have to be a bit pissed off with Rafa taking the wrong player off. Of course the sending off meant a reshuffle and he probably intended to bring on Rondon. But it should have been Muto for Joselu. Ayoze has not looked sharp but he always has it in him to get a goal with a flick. Joselu doesn’t and was absolutely woeful.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Still feeling super pissed off at that penalty miss… seriously we get something 2 in 2 years, and promptly miss both… I guess we forgot what was supposed to happen .. kick ball really hard into the big net, pick it out the back of the net. Simple really. ?. That 3 points would’ve seen us into the top 5 for at least 24 hours. ??
I’m assuming a 3 match ban for Kenedy, but will next weeks game count as he’s ineligible anyway? So could be 4 games out… stupid boy.. ?
Dubai Toon(Quote)
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It has now been 130 PL games since #nufc have seen an opposing player sent off.
In that period, I reckon there’s been at least 20 stone wall red cards. The PGMOL has a lot to answer for.
kimtoon(Quote)
You would think so, but the lino spoke to ref about the kennedy incident and he gave a free kick I believe so we’ll have to wait and see.
Arters foul was a red all day long too yet only got a yellow.
kimtoon(Quote)
Replays show the ref was looking the wrong way so he’ll probably get a 3 game ban. Might be a good thing as his head must be all over the place. Rafa needs to remind him that Messi and Ronaldo have missed penalties.
Rafa’s still puzzling me with his team choices. How he’s managed to get a team that were very solid and playing good football into the rabble we saw yesterday I have no idea. Lejeune is a huge miss. Without him there’s no playing out from the back as Clark is hopeless with the ball. Yedlins’ threat missing down the right and Kenedy embarrassingly off form. Diame’s gone backwards too. Sounds like 5 things we learned 🙂
Cardiff won just about every tackle so it’s a good thing they have their very own donkey up front.
georgio(Quote)
What’s the craic with the Kenedy incident again? – I know the ref didn’t give a freekick or yellow, but is there a criteria for reviewing again – it being or not being in the ref report I mean – or does it just not matter?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Off topic, but what is a retractable pitch? Spurs’ new stadium has one for NFL games. Plus, they might be screwed as the budgeting was based on having NFL games there and the owner of Fulham wants Wembley and NFL there. I think Spurs have 2 seasons before this 1 billion pound stadium weighs them down and they have to sell players. Arsenal’s cost 350 million and that held them back for 10 years at least.
I want that stadium to be finished because I want to see what a retractable pitch is.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Sharpy: it is NUFC, so you just know it will be a ban. Have a look at Kimtoon’s post above as well. We never have the other teams’ players sent off.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I don’t know if people can remember last season but it’s like deja vue. Having gone ok against Spurs but ultimately getting beat, we went away to Huddersfield and we were are lacklustre then too. In that game we had players missing too (Shelvey banned and didn’t Dummett get injured) – yesterday Lejuene and Yedlin missing.
The team as a whole were awful, but Manquillo is one of the worse full backs we’ve ever had. Rafa allowed Gamez and Mbemba leave in the summer – both are better RBs than Manquillo, but Rafa seems happy with him. Him having gone off at HT, I think Rafa got it wrong putting Hayden on – he’s not a defender and his head isn’t in it. It should have been Fernandez on.
Joselu was awful. I know he was isolated, but ever time the ball went into him his first touch was too heavy and he lost it more times than not. Rafa sees him as a better option than Mitrovic – I fail to see how, but that aside. Rondon or Muto should be in ahead of Joselu.
Kenedy failed to complete a single pass in the first half. He had an awful game and his kick out was born out of frustration – no excuses.
I don’t think he’s used to such a physical side and everything he tried just didn’t come off.
He shouldn’t have been on the pitch to take that penalty – not just coz of the sending off, but Rafa should have subbed him long before that. He took Ritchie off again, but it should have been Kenedy all day long. Yesterday could be good for him in the long run. I think the lad was lapping up all the Geordie love, and was coasting a little bit. Hopefully he will come back and feel he has to prove himself over again – a bit like Shelvey last season.
In a way I’m pleased the penalty was saved, because a win and 3 points may have papered over just how awful we were.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We were awful but that’s 2 precious points lost when every one looks precious AGAIN!
georgio(Quote)
Spot on Sharpy. Rafa made some bad decisions again. Playing Joselu ahead of Rondon. Taking off Ritchie instead of Kenedy. Putting on Hayden when Clark is our fullback cover and we had an extra centre half on the bench.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
My prediction was, and still is, 6 points after 8 games.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Interesting to know where the other five points come from. Who do we play? Chelsea, Arsenal, Man City and Palace away. Tough ask, Eric.
Stuart79(Quote)
worse display ive seen,two wingers played not even a cross into the box,i think Rafa got his tatics all wrong and picked some of the wrong players,why does he keep picking that useless ***** as the main striker it just goes over my heed
icedog(Quote)
Sharply. Agree every word.
Groucho(Quote)
Plus Leicester at home and Man U away. I am thinking we sneak a win against somebody and a lot of games will be tight except City. Yesterday was our big chance and we blew it. Not just Kenedy, but Rafa. There is a good chance we will be bottom but then ON PAPER it gets better.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Reading the comments it’s good to know that Rafa wont be missed when he walks at the end of the season. Apparently he can’t pick a team, then gets the tactics and substitutions wrong. 😆
PremAndUp(Quote)
Ice – I think it was a case of Kenedy having a really off day, and on the left we have no full back in Dummett who offers that overlap and delivery – so mark Kenedy and the threat down the left is gone.
I think Ritchie was aware Murphy was destroying Manquillo and had no choice but to concentrate on helping him out.
It was frustrating coz when we did get the ball into the box Perez had 2 good chances that the keeper saved – and another attempted ball into the box resulted in a penalty.
Ice – I think you mentioned the lad last week and Kim has too, but Neves at Wolves is some player isn’t he?!. Wolves were unlucky yesterday I thought, but he wouldn’t look out of place in one of the top 6 sides I reckon.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Good to see City are still ****
Stuart79(Quote)
How often is Rafa critcised on here? Bloody 3-0 after 34 minutes. Is it worth watching the rest of the game?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
SHARPY aye mate Nevis is a top player pity he was not at the toon,think he will win them a few games imo
icedog(Quote)
Prem – I take it you disagree?
I take by the laughter face you don’t really believe that people want to see the back of Rafa just coz we don’t think he should be without accountability – or should he not be held to account?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Just fishin
PremAndUp(Quote)
Looking at the City bench today, I think it was worth more than our entire club, lock stock and barrel, if not, then it was not far off… ??? they absolutely hammered Huddersfield… I’d be happy to park the bus again when we play them.. I don’t think we have any other option… goal difference will be a big factor again this season…
Dubai Toon(Quote)
I would like to see Rafa give Sterry a shot at RB if yeddy is still unfit next game.
He will no way be any worse than Manquillo and likely far far better.
kimtoon(Quote)
spot on, I’m actually totally over enjoying watching City now, they are seemingly unbeatable and just steam roller teams . Where is the element of competitiveness when one or two teams have all the talent.
Wish that much mentioned super league would happen, then them, Utd, Pool and Chelsea can go join the millionaires super league and our PL can get it’s competitive edge back.
Like Sham said yesterday it’s getting really boring now.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy, I think Rafa hooked Ritchie cause he was on a yellow and tiring again tbh.
I also think he would of introduced Rondon but for the sending off . Hayden infuriated me yesterday, he made two or 3 really poor tackles prior to the sending off and he was only on for 20 bloody minutes. He almost looked like he did it on purpose , ah well, at least he’ll have a few Saturdays off with his mrs now, every cloud and all that. 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Still think we should of kept Anita, would of slotted into RB a treat.
kimtoon(Quote)
Hoots lads in front
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – I’m not sure how much longer Yedlin is out for, but whilst I agree Sterry is probably a better option than Manquillo – Chelsea, City and Arsenal would be a real baptism of fire. I would change formation –
————-—— Dubravka—————
— Fernandez-Lascelles-Dummett —
Ritchie ———————-——— Murphy
———————- Diame ———————-
—- Shelvey ————-——- Ki ———-
———————- Muto ————————
————-—— Rondon ———————-
I don’t mind switching Clark with Dummett or Atsu and Murphy or Perez and Muto.
But I think Ritchie and Murphy will be chasing wing backs against Chelsea and City – Diame and Ki could move across and help them out if needed. But having the 3 of them in midfield would help close down or man mark their key playmakers. 3 CBs should then give us the cover at the back. Muto and Rondon should offer more up front than Perez and Joselu – but I think Perez works hard and can still get into good positions so I wouldn’t mind him and Rondon.
Sharpy17(Quote)
hoots lads 2 up now 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – maybe, but Kenedy was still the bigger risk imo.
Sharpy17(Quote)
What are Man Utd on? Shocking defending and Brighton 2 up!
Stuart79(Quote)
C’mon Brighton. Keep this up. I want to see Jose implode.
Hughton is 60. Warnock is 70. They look pretty good for their age.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Kim – agreed, and Rafa willingly let Anita go to spend £5m bring in Manquillo as his replacement.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy , yep that’s an option but I don’t see Rafa doing it, he seems reluctant to start the newbies for some reason.
kimtoon(Quote)
Brighton have done great – weathered a 20min storm and frustrated Man U, then took 2 half chances really well – Glenn Murray is a real old war horse isn’t he.
Love Hoots though. When people bang on about best English manager it’s always Fat Sam, Pards, Pulis that is mentioned – Hoots all the way for me.
Sharpy17(Quote)
This Man U team didn’t cost much less than City. Lukaku and Pogba 90 million apiece. Martial 50. Even Shaw and Young who were bought a long time ago cost 30 each. Then there is De Gea who in this market would be75+ million. Even Matta was 44 million.
Jose cannot complain about being outspent because he hasn’t exactly had Ashley as an owner.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I was gutted at Anita going mate, he was a very good RB 100% committed to the cause too. Manquillo is shocking and I think he was more than happy to go off yesterday as he was having a mare. Ritchie was working over time covering his ****.
kimtoon(Quote)
Oh yes mate, love hoots, gutted when he got the sack.
kimtoon(Quote)
2.1 lukaku
C’mon Brighton you can do this, don’t let em off the hook
kimtoon(Quote)
When was the last time Man U let in 3 in a half?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
GET IN 😆
3.1
kimtoon(Quote)
You just know that Jose will scapegoat Martial. Let’s see.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
They just said. October 2015 away at **** when Man U last conceded 3 in a half.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Before we start getting carried away with talk of Anita, I think it’s worth noting that he couldn’t get a regular game for Championship side Leeds last season and hasn’t even been given a shirt number for this season. Maybe Rafa saw what Leeds have now seen?
Stuart79(Quote)
More stats… Man U did not concede 3 goals in a PL match all last season.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
He left Martial in!!! Probably just to humiliate him further 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
one good thing Kenedy did y/day,ran into the crowd and gave a young lady a toon shirt with no9 Rondon on,pity she didnt put it on and play she could not do any worse than him ffs
icedog(Quote)
Martial off. Jose probably kept him on so it would be more obvious that he took him off than if he did it at half time.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric , yep 3 goals in 20 minutes
kimtoon(Quote)
I know we were **** yesterday but I just added up the total cost of our starting 11. It was 60 million (inc 4 million loan fee for Kenedy). Pogba 88 million ? And he has had a really **** game so far (73mins).
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Man U have to stop playing Fred. Everytime the commentator mentions his name I start singing in my head “I’m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt…” (by Right Said Fred).
Eric Sykes(Quote)