The Toon’s forgotten men – Five faces who deserve more recognition at Newcastle United

The Ashley era at Newcastle United has seen the relationship between the board and the fans deteriorate, leaving many of us to feel alienated by our own club.

Respected figures like Kevin Keegan, Alan Shearer and Jonas Gutierrez have been tossed aside and dismissed, and one thing our new owners could do to immediately gain the fans approval would be to rightfully honour some of the heroic icons from the past.

Despite having their own issues, one thing that Arsenal have done well in recent years is commemorate their past heroes with statues outside the Emirates Stadium. Historic greats like Ken Friar and Herbet Chapman stand alongside modern superstars like Thierry Henry to provide an education for young Gunners while they enter their 21st century stadium.

This is an idea Staveley & Co could replicate and develop further, to help inspire younger generations of Magpies on their way to the ground who are potentially unaware of our own fantastic history.

While older folk and hardcore Toon nuts will know of those featured on the list, these five selected to join Wor Jackie, Sir Bobby, and Shearer himself may sound unfamiliar to some of the Toon Army’s younger generation of today.

1. Stan Seymour

Born in County Durham, Seymour is one of the most important people in our club’s history. After a successful playing career, winning the league and FA Cup in the 1920s, he later managed our club to another cup success before going on to become chairman, rightly earning him the title ‘Mr Newcastle’ for being the only man to hold all three roles at St James’ Park.

Jackie Milburn once said: “There is a great debt owed by Newcastle United to Stan Seymour for all of his services to the club”. Seymour is a true club legend who deserves a statue – or even a stand – dedicated to him in his honour.

2. Hughie Gallacher

Scottish goal-machine Gallacher is the most prolific forward in our club’s history and captained us to our most recent league triumph in 1926-27.

Rivals Sunderland were contenders for the league that season and were defeated 1-0 at St James’ Park thanks to a Gallacher strike in front of a record 67,211 crowd. He left us to join Chelsea three years later having scored 143 goals in 174 games in a black-and-white shirt – with a strike conversion rate of 82%.

3. Joe Harvey

There is a plaque in memory of Harvey outside St James’ Park, but for his services to our club we think he deserves more. He is our club’s longest serving captain and manager, and is another man who won trophies for us both on the pitch and on the touchline.

A sergeant in WWII, he helped transform the club’s fortunes after the war with his leadership qualities, captaining us to three FA Cups in the 1950s when just 10 years earlier we were on the verge of the third division in what was Newcastle United’s own darkest hour. His stint as manager saw him lift the Inter Cities Fairs cup in 1969, making him still to this day the last Toon boss to win a major honour.

4. Frank Watt

Referred to as the first ‘unofficial’ manager of Newcastle, Watt was club secretary for 40 years between 1895 and 1935. Football managers as we know it weren’t a thing in the late 19th and early 20th century, and clubs were run by a committee which was chaired by the club’s secretary.

During Watt’s tenure-ship, he led us through the most successful period in our club’s history, winning four league titles and three FA Cups. He actually signed three people on this list, Lawrence, Gallacher and ‘Mr Newcastle’ Stan Seymour, which demonstrates just how much of an impact he had on the history of our club. If anybody deserves recognition for his achievements representing the Toon, it’s Frank Watt.

5. Jimmy Lawrence

Our record appearance holder played 496 times between the sticks for us in the early 20th century, meaning he had a pivotal role in the three league triumphs in the 1900s. Lawrence represented us until the age of 43, appearing in five FA cup finals, being victorious in 1910.

A bizarre fact is that he thought he was born in 1885, and used this date when signing for the club in 1904. Research since has proved he was born six years earlier, which also makes him our oldest ever player too. These two records are unlikely to be beaten any time soon, which further adds to his legendary status at our club.

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129 thoughts on “The Toon’s forgotten men – Five faces who deserve more recognition at Newcastle United

  1. Sharpy17: Stu – you aren’t doubting that’s the case there are you?.

    Yes Sharpy I am. Not all but can you imagine a situation where you couldn’t afford to literally give your son a lunch? Especially given what parents are given these days for having children. Which by the way is suppose to go on the children.

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  2. Stu, not sure you realise that living on universal credit is no picnic for families. Once utility bills and rent are paid there is little left for food. That’s where the phrase heat or eat came from, especially for pensioners and the frail.
    My best mate runs a breakfast club and after school club, she has told me plenty of horror stories.
    Believe me mate, there is plenty of families on the breadline despite managing their money really well, most parents tend to feed the kids and go without a meal themselves.

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  3. Just listened to SOME OF The Chronicle podcast on the WTO report. I had to stop half way through as this Keiran Kelly writer of theirs is a stuttering idiot who knows nothing and offers nothing. Where do they find these “journalists”. He makes Ryder look like a genius.

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  4. What about child benefits, Kim? That’s suppose to be for the child. What is it, £175 a week?

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  5. Btw Kim I know there are families out there that do struggle and they should get help but you must think I arrived on the last banana boat if you expect me to believe there’s so many. Especially when claiming benefits is worth more than working sometimes in this country. I also notice an awful lot of people still smoke and have Sky tv. I’d have thought food was a higher priority.

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  6. Stuart79:
    Btw Kim I know there are families out there that do struggle and they should get help but you must think I arrived on the last banana boat if you expect me to believe there’s so many. Especially when claiming benefits is worth more than working sometimes in this country. I also notice an awful lot of people still smoke and have Sky tv. I’d have thought food was a higher priority.

    Stu – I accept there are some people out there like that, but there are a lot of families who aren’t.
    Money gets tighter for everyone every year. I know every bill I have gets increased by around 5% but my wage certainly doesn’t – and I doubt UC does either.

    But those you mention that spend on other things – that’s not the kids fault. At least these are food vouchers – they can’t be spent on anything else.

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  7. I see remarkably there’s another bid been made from this Yank Mauriss. Nobody knows anything about him which is odd for someone supposedly so wealthy.

    Rather odd that he would bid £50m more than the asking price and why now?

    All smells of bs.

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  8. I’ve read all the stuff and opinions re the WTO report. The Saudi response is especially good, completely sidestepping the NUFC issue.
    I still maintain the wait is all about the relegation situation.

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  9. The amount of homes I have walked I to where the Mum andDad will be day smoking a fresh pack of 20, kids running around feral with no carpets on the floor – no fresh food but freezer full from Iceland and the latest PS model being played on a 60 inch TV.

    Unfortunately there IS enough money supplied by benefits to feed every kid in this Country, that’s the whole point in it – but the parents mis manage this money and have problems prioritising necessities over luxuries.

    That does not mean that the children should therefore go without – it’s not their fault. But perhaps the system needs an overhaul so that those parents cannot spend food money on non essentials – perhaps food vouchers instead of cash.

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  10. I just wish the PL would make a decision. It’s gone on long enough and the club cannot effectively plan for the new season whilst stuck in limbo. We will miss out on transfer targets at this rate and perhaps miss out on convincing existing players to stay, such as young Matty Long staff.

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  11. Shamrock:
    The amount of homes I have walked I to where the Mum andDad will be day smoking a fresh pack of 20, kids running around feral with no carpets on the floor – no fresh food but freezer full from Iceland and the latest PS model being played on a 60 inch TV.

    Unfortunately there IS enough money supplied by benefits to feed every kid in this Country, that’s the whole point in it – but the parents mis manage this money and have problems prioritising necessities over luxuries.

    That does not mean that the children should therefore go without – it’s not their fault. But perhaps the system needs an overhaul so that those parents cannot spend food money on non essentials – perhaps food vouchers instead of cash.

    Sham – yeah, there are those people but there are also those who are holding down low paid jobs and not receiving benefits. You can analyse the lives of those people to and no doubt find bad decision making has resulted in their current predicaments. Usually single mothers how have had bad relationships and got pregnant from them – many who have had a string of bad relationships resulting in multiple kids – why keep doing it then?. It’s an easy question when you’re not in that place. They should tie her tubes is another one 🤷🏼‍♂️.
    Some people make bad decisions and some people get taken advantage of. Not everyone is a 40 a day cider swiller. But the kids have no choice in any of it.
    I agree with you. Stu says child benefits is £175 a week – make it £150 and a £25 food voucher 🤷🏼‍♂️.

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  12. I’m still having this p!ssing fault!!!

    It’s taking as long to fix as it would buy a bloody football club!!

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  13. I would also say that the fact personal economics isn’t a compulsory part of the curriculum is graceful as well. Maths and English yes (though I can’t say I’ve given Shakespeare a second thought til now) but science – 3 lots of it?!?!!!. Yes there will be some jobs that need it – but every kid will one day benefit from learning the value of money and how to best use it.
    I would also argue the case for basic home economics too. Learning about nutritious food and how to make a meal from scratch – cheaper and healthier than ready meals 🤷🏼‍♂️.

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  14. That WTO document is 196 pages long. I have read novels that are shorter than that. I have read summaries and it is all legalese. No wonder the PL lawyers are taking an age if they are buried under that junk as well as Khashoggi’s fiancee’s interference and of course Bein sports. Still think they are waiting for the smokescreen of the football starting up again and particularly this weekend when it will be wall to wall.

    The lawyers who have looked at the PL rules in detail and now the WTO epic seem to be unanimous in their belief that there is nothing to block this deal. If it DOES NOT go through I dont think the Saudis will leave it there. Bein Sports is a part of Al Jazeera which is a Qatari state sponsored propaganda outlet. We would be stuck in a legal battle for years and therefore stuck in limbo because Ashley clearly wants out.

    Thank god I am not on facebook or twitter as I think I would be going mad. Glancing at the comments on Ed’s or The Mag is bad enough! 🙂

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  15. Just saw the Sheffield Utd lineup. Wasn’t shocked to see that I hardly know any of their players because they are never on TV here. I knew Henderson their goalie because he is on loan from Man U and Ollie McBurnie, the non-scoring striker (the white Joelinton). That was it.

    I am bringing it up because that is who we play on Sunday so it will be interesting for me to watch them.

    Villa currently have 25 points. Considering what they spent they have had a sh!t sandwich of a season so far.

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  16. It is National Ocean Month and also Gay Pride Month.

    I have booked a trip to drive Highway 101 down the Washington and Oregon Coast. Views of the Pacific Ocean for 500 miles.

    Doubt if I will sleep with a man though.

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  17. I like what Villa have done covering the seats with emblems. i mentioned the other day that I thought it would be good if Wor Flags put their flags out again at SJP and people donated old scarfs and shirts to put on the seats.

    Of course the Fat Man would not allow it, he would not pay for what Villa have done to create something other than the view of empty seats.

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  18. Grealish has to take the prize for stupidest hair cut EVER. 1940s army shaved sides with plaited top and a dyed ponytail/manbun.

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  19. Apparently, Jabba has told Mauriss to put up a 5% deposit, this whole takeover is a bloody mess now.
    Agree with Sham, we cannot carry on in limbo like this, it’s going to have a detrimental effect on the club and players going forward.
    Don’t fancy the American chancer much.

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  20. Only managed to see half the Sheffield Utd game but I did notice they are another of these high press teams. Hopefully, Brucie has devised a plan that does not involve parking 9 players on the 18 yard line and hoofing it to Joelinton. We have had trouble with these types of teams this season and have relied on Dubravka to save us (literally and figuratively).

    The plan also cannot be to have Miggy or St Max take on 3 players to get us to the half way line either. We have to have some tactical solution to this bloody high press. They are not Liverpool or Man City. None of their players would even make the bench there.

    If we play Shelvey we probably have to play Dwight as they like to play together.

    Let’s give them something to think about and not react to what they do which has been a fatal flaw in Bruce’s game plans although he has got lucky. Luck usually evens itself out though so we have to change. He says he is going to, so let’s see.

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  21. Been saying for a couple of weeks that the PL were looking for a smokescreen to issue their verdict on our takeover and that was the resumption of play and especially the Merseyside derby on Sunday. They probably wanted the WTO report out of the way as well but the fact the Foreign Secretary is now weighing in means this is happening next week. My gut feeling is Monday or Tuesday. No inside knowledge, just a gut feeling and I think it will go through as the Govt seem to be in favour – if you read between the lines.

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  22. kimtoon:
    Eric, Dwight has a knock and won’t play .

    Still not fixed the issue on here i see.

    Bugger. It will probably be the 9 men on the 18 yard line and hoof-it-to-Joe “tactic” then. It is on live over here in the US. Has to be better than watching endless pictures of demonstrations and boring Drs talking about CV-19. Or the Orange Man-Baby who has a rally that day with 20,000 people in a conference centre packed together like battery hens.

    I think I will go back to avoiding watching any news. Not good for my mental health.

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  23. I am all for opening up the economy but jamming 20,000 elderly people (Trump’s base) into a room seems like tempting fate. Plus, I think you could have a counter-movement outside where Trump would demand Police action. The guy is an idiot. Even his speech patterns where he repeats words in sentences annoys me. Everybody who has ever worked for him says he is a jerk.

    Open the economy. Social distance where you can. Wear a mask. Be smart.

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  24. Kim – did you watch the BBC programme ‘A house through time’

    It a fella that look through the history of a house & it’s occupants – done one in Newcastle last time, but this one is in Bristol – it was really interesting if you haven’t watched it 👍🏻

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  25. So, the latest w@nker to weigh in on the takeover is Angus McNeil, SNP MP for the bloody Outer Hebrides. This is the smallest constituency in the land with 21k registered voters, or to put it another way, 2/5 of the capacity of SJP. What does any of this have to do with him? He is on some trade committee but the Govt always give out token places on meaningless committees to the SNP to make them feel relevant/important.

    This guys opinion is about as important as Danny Mills’ or Michael Chopra’s (i.e. not at all). The Govt have already said they are not interfering but then the foreign secretary gave the takeover a thinly veiled blessing.

    The farce continues…

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  26. tariq panja
    @tariqpanja
    Amanda Staveley breaks down in tears as Barclays lawyer launches 29 minute rebuttal of her case, demolishing almost all of her evidence. Staveley’s lawyer says Mr Onions finish was “extraordinary and bizarre.”
    2:31 PM · Jun 19, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Not going too well for her at the moment .

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  27. I checked where this guy’s constituency is and it is 270 miles from Glasgow and takes 8 hours to get to from Glasgow.

    It is 418 miles from Newcastle and takes 10 hours to get to.

    If you were to drive there from Riyadh, Saudi Arabia it is 4,500 miles and takes 3 days and 5 hours nonstop.

    And this guy is commenting on the NUFC takeover 🙂

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  28. Sharpy, i recorded it mate, haven’t gotten round to watching it yet.

    Eric, that SNP mp Angus Mcneil took a couple of teenage girls back to an hotel whilst his pregnant wife lay in a hospital bed. They separated a few years later after he had an affair with a journalist .
    He’s another Dickie Keys when it comes to taking the moral high ground.

    Olly, still having problems with site.

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  29. A friend of mine was a former New Zealand MP and was Chairman of the Aviation Committee there. Even though he was interested in the subject he told me it was mainly about getting free junkets around the world, being wined and dined and getting free gifts of booze, watches etc. A bit like the Govt version of FIFA. My guess is that Angus McNeil got a few more freebies from Qatar than Saudi Arabia.

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  30. Bruce is supposedly known to be a good man manager – but he’s not really shown that this week.

    Firstly when talking about Lascelles having a baby – he didn’t even know if it was a boy or a girl – that’s his club captain and he can’t even be bothered to know the gender of his new born.

    Then today he’s talking about Matty Longstaff and his hope that he stays – local lad, from North or South Shields or wherever. He’s from North Shields Steve – it’s a small thing, but it goes a long way in convincing our brightest prospect that you have an interest in him.
    It won’t be the reason he stays or goes, but it’s not hard to know where your local lads are from.

    I wonder if he knows he’s got one foot out the door and he’s passed caring 🤷🏼‍♂️.

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  31. Should be interesting today. A draw or defeat for Norwich probably relegates them. Jose against Man U should be funny.

    Not sure if they all understand the whole symbolism of taking a knee but I will give them the benefit of the doubt as I think they will continue doing it.

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  32. Sharpy17:
    Bruce is supposedly known to be a good man manager – but he’s not really shown that this week.

    Firstly when talking about Lascelles having a baby – he didn’t even know if it was a boy or a girl – that’s his club captain and he can’t even be bothered to know the gender of his new born.

    Then today he’s talking about Matty Longstaff and his hope that he stays – local lad, from North or South Shields or wherever.He’s from North Shields Steve – it’s a small thing, but it goes a long way in convincing our brightest prospect that you have an interest in him.
    It won’t be the reason he stays or goes, but it’s not hard to know where your local lads are from.

    I wonder if he knows he’s got one foot out the door and he’s passed caring .

    Yeah I did think it odd he didn’t know Lascelles newborns sex, can’t of spoken to him i guess. As for Matty, not knowing where he’s from really is odd.

    Wish they would sort out this problem with the site. 👿

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  33. This guidance on Covid-19 is completely confusing. You have pubs and businesses opening up but football games played behind closed doors. Trump has a rally for 20,000 people in a convention centre where they will be packed close together and then Carnegie Hall (NYC equivalent of Newcastle City Hall) cancels all concerts for the rest of 2020.

    Luckily, I live in an area that has been minimally affected by CV-19. Not sure if it is what the state has done or demographics or the fact I am 5 miles from downtown Chicago where all of the tourists go. But I am still completely confused!!!! Every time I turn on the news to see what I should be doing someone on there has a completely different opinion to what the last person said.

    And then I see Germany and Denmark with totally different instructions to the UK and the US.

    Me and Stewie Thatcher dont agree on a lot except shutting down economies for this is probably worse than letting it run its course. But I would like some clear advice for what a middle aged man should be doing and not all of these contradictions I see in the news.

    I have to stop watching the news. Luckily there is football on, starting now with N’wich-S’ton 🙂

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  34. And now they are opening Disney theme parks but I am not able to go to a baseball game!!!

    #TotallyConfused

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  35. Watching the Norwich game and half the support staff are wearing masks and half are not. They are standing a foot apart and then you have players sitting 5 seats apart with masks on. Plus the players are still gobbing on the pitch.

    #TotallyConfused

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  36. Yep. Norwich are doomed so that is one of the relegation spots done.

    It is interesting to see how bad they are against Southampton who are not a very good team. When Shelvey was playing well for us against S’ton we took them apart, even before they went down to 10 men. It was only after Jonjo went off the boil that they had a look in.

    I don’t think we have bad players. Just lack a goalscorer and Brucie’s tactics have made us look bad, statistically and in every other way.

    There is no chance we are going down georgio. Not even with the Corbridge Cabbage as some call him on The Mag blog.

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  37. Virgin tech guy coming out on Wednesday, my internet keeps dropping out and can’t access netflix half the time.
    Manage to get it back for an hour or so then it goes again 🙄

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  38. watching Spurs/ManU now.

    I see Jon Moss didn’t have many salads during the lockdown. How can the PL allow him to Ref games when he is 3 stone overweight and always 10 yards off the pace?

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  39. Stuart: I have CV-19 stats for you from the USA:

    80% of deaths have been for people over 65

    40% of deaths have been people in nursing homes

    Obviously, there is probably another stat for deaths with underlying health conditions but I haven’t seen that. What it says though is that we SHOULD be opening up the economy but should also put most of our resources towards those at the highest risk. Nobody had a fcking plan and they still dont. They have ruined the world economy for a minimum of 2 years because of their incompetence. I am not surprised with Trump in charge.

    It tells me that as a person in their mid-50s with no health issues whatsoever that I can resume life again and go out and even socialize if I want. I dont have elderly or sick relatives to transmit this virus to so I will not be putting others at risk. I will wear a mask for extra protection and to show others I take this seriously. But we do have to get past this now, even if the number of cases go up.

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  40. Sharpy17:
    Olly – still an issue with the details dropping off.

    I’ve sent the issue across to Andy and he’s been in touch with the guys who deal with that side of the blog to find a fix. Nothing more I can do I’m afraid but hope it’s sorted soon.

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  41. New thread will be up soon containing the match preview for tomorrow’s game!

    For now though, I wanted to share an article I’ve done after speaking to a few members of a NUFC fan club in Sierra Leone, where they have 50 kids playing for their NUFC-themed U-12 and U-14 teams in West Africa.

    https://www.nufcblog.co.uk/2020/06/18/newcastle-united-sierra-leone-the-inspirational-west-african-academy-that-needs-our-help/

    Please give it a read and show your support as it is their dream to receive recognition in England.

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  42. kimtoon:
    Virgin tech guy coming out on Wednesday, my internet keeps dropping out and can’t access netflix half the time.
    Manage to get it back for an hour or so then it goes again 🙄

    that seems a long time to wait mate,thought they would be a lot quicker,i know you have been with Virgin a good while seem you often have bother with them,i would be looking to change mate some good deals out there at the mo

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