A pathetic second half performance and two awful goals to give away for Newcastle United, seeing Watford come from behind to win 2-1 at today’s early kick off at Vicarage Road.
We started strongly and went into the break with a well deserved lead via another Dwight Gayle goal, but a pitiful effort in the final 45 cost us, with us giving away two avoidable penalties and totally collapsing to gift Watford the win.
A response to Wednesday’s 5-0 hammering was needed, and it looked on the cards at one stage, but a combination of awful substitutions, careless mistakes and a total lack of intensity made the difference in the end, with it seeming clear as the game went on that one side were battling to stay up and the other were on the beach.
Bruce made five changes, not only dropping the five-man defence but bringing in Saint-Maximin, Almiron, Lascelles, Manquillo and Gayle in for Krafth, Yedlin, Bentaleb, Lazaro and Joelinton.
One slight surprise was Fabian Schar being handed another start in midfield following another ponderous display against Man City, however it was good to see our two best attackers back, a deserved recall for Gayle and the return of our reliable skipper.
Before kick off, the players showed their respects to the late Jack Charlton with a minutes silence for a true legend of the game and great man who sadly passed away today at the age of 85.
We surrendered from the off on Wednesday but started much the better side here, with a wicked early cross from Saint-Maximin only just evading Almiron on the three minute mark and the Paraguyan then smashing a half-volley straight at Foster moments later after the hosts failed to deal with a dangerous Shelvey corner.
We had 66% of the ball on the 10-minute mark (which was about 50% more than we had at this stage of the City game!), but Watford very nearly opened the scoring via a Welbeck shot that bobbled against the near post and would’ve spun over the line if it wasn’t for Lascelles being in the right place at the right time to clear – not for the first time in the opening stages!
Just before the first drinks break we then broke the deadlock.
A fast flowing attack forced a corner, and from that Matt Ritchie whipped in a cross to the front post. Fernandez met it and looked like was going to glance a brilliant header into the far corner, only for Gayle to gamble and arrive onto the scene later and tap into an empty net.
He hadn’t scored a single goal in 12 appearances before lockdown, but has now had a hand in four (three goals and one assist) in five appearances since football returned.
0-1 Newcastle and a deserved lead for Steve Bruce’s side on the balance of play.
Saint-Maximin almost made it two before, bursting through on goal after latching onto a brilliant Gayle flick, however his outside of the foot finish was blocked by an onrushing Foster.
Half time and we went in 0-1 up. A positive performance so far, with us looking much sharper at both ends of the pitch following the return of key trio Lascelles, Almiron and ASM.
Watford looked poor and a side we could finish off in the second half if we stayed focused and kept at it, but we handed them a needless route back into it just five minutes into the restart.
A clumsy bit of defending from Ritchie sent Femenia tumbling in the box and Deeney did the rest from the spot, smashing a penalty straight down the middle and past Dubravka.
A game we had looked comfortable in was suddenly level and we were very nearly 2-1 down just moments later, with a horror pass from Fernandez giving Deeney a clear run at goal – only for his powerful low shot to be hit straight at Dubravka.
We were all over the shop. A game we threatened to win quite comfortably at one stage was now looking far more likely to go the other way.
A drinks break arrived – and boy did we need it – but it felt like Bruce needed to make changes with 20 minutes to go. He made one, bringing Joelinton on for Matt Ritchie, but we continued to look second best.
Then, on the 80-minute mark a moment of madness from Manquillo gave Watford the perfect chance to make it 2-1, with the Spaniard getting the wrong side of Sarr and pulling him down needlessly to give Deeney another big chance from the spot.
Needless to say, he wellied it down the middle past Dubravka and gave Watford the lead. More awful defending to complete what had been a pathetic
From that point onwards we looked lost and largely toothless in attack, with Bruce’s aimless substitutions doing nothing to get us back into a game we’d let slip so easily.
There was a desperate push to get an equaliser – which consisted of little other than give it to Saint-Maximin and hope for the best or pump it long to our big men in the box – but Watford held on to secure an unlikely win from 0-1 down.
Just as I thought we’d responded to Wednesday’s hammering at Man City as we sat pretty at half-time, we sat back, put our flips flops on and made error after error in the second 45 to prove me sadly wrong.
We’ve shown signs of real improvement at times since football resumed, however this has been a damaging week for anyone believing Steve Bruce is the man to take us forward, whether new owners arrive or not.
Based on what we saw in that second half, this season can’t end quick enough – and a few big changes need to be made if and when a Saudi takeover is finally approved.
For me both penalties were clear cut.
This squad has a character problem, they down tools when the pressure is notched up. Embarrassing.
Gayle is doing well and is our only actual capable striker. Joe looks better out wide or supporting in behind but he is not a £40m player and would have no meaningful role under new ownership imo.
Rose can go back to Spurs. I guarantee once he is handed a contract he will stop putting in the effort.
Why we are playing a CB as a CM is beyond me.
Shelley, Ritchie, Might, st Max, the Longstaffs, Lasclelles, Lejune, Fernandez and Gayle all could have decent roles under new owners. Everyone else is dispensable. Some more than others. Schar probably getting a hard time due to be playing out of position.
Shamrock(Quote)
Will someone please move this takeover along , this was dire apart one or two, we have at best a mediocre manger and team just not good enough !!!!
davep(Quote)
I’m actually really angry at the PL now. No way this should still be dragging on, they need to **** or get off the pot.
Yes or no just call it you useless muppets .
kimtoon(Quote)
I have said a couple of times that there is a player there in Joelinton. Unfortunately it is a Championship level player! I have given up on him now.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Shameful and disreputable to the league = Bruce has to go!!!
He tried to manage a defeat against his mate Moyes and today we saw just what a buffoon he is!
All NUFC fan’s want is an owner that cares and a Manager that is capable of Managing!!!
New owners just look at the games this season!
It’s been TERRIBLE to watch and without one player we would have been alongside Norwich.
It’s through luck and the lack on management that we find ourselves safe BUT don’t trust Bruce with any Money = ALL the places he’s been the players have only developed AFTER he’d been sacked!!!
KK(Quote)
Bl00dy hell. Can Liverpool really go a whole season with a 100% home record!? Just gone 1 nil up.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
https://twitter.com/CliveTyldesley/status/1281875660546416640
lovely
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – my uncle and his friend met him a few times. My uncle was a big fisherman and he and his mate were out one day years ago on the banks of some river catching nowt. The weather was **** and they stopped for a brew. They offered a cup to an old boy further up the bank which turned out to be Jack. They spent about an hour talking about Ireland and of course the WC.
A few weeks later they were on the same river & Jack turned up again and came over and thanked them again for the brew & buttie – and handed them a WC winners medal to look at. My uncle nearly fell in the river.
Jack outlived my uncle, but I know that those couple of meetings were some of the best memories he had. He was a real down to earth gentleman – cut from the same cloth as sir Bobby.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – it’s certainly making Masters look like a mug now. He said he expected or hoped it would be resolved soon.
It’s as much the lack of communication that’s frustrating.
I’ve switched off from it this season now though. They’ve gone on holiday now they are safe. If they don’t care, I’m certainly not going to.
Sharpy17(Quote)
That was an annoying game. We were in control.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Time for Nick Pope to be England goalkeeper.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I think we were foolish to give Carroll another contract and we should have stuck with Gayle instead.
I suspect Gayle and Muto May well be moved on in the summer – leaving Joelinton & Carroll and whoever they may bring in. Gayle is a far better finisher than both of those. He may not have the height, but his pace along with the pace of ASM & Miggy make it a very different attack.
It’s so frustrating not knowing what to hope for or expect in the transfer window.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Eric – agreed, him and Dean Henderson are so much better than Pickford
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, what a lovely story about your uncle, I’ve seen lots like that today about Jack. He really seems like a humble guy, down to earth .
On the takeover, i really cannot for the life of me see why it’s taking this long. Starting to think it will fizzle out now .
I cannot watch another season under that mans ownership, he has **** near sucked all of the fun out of being a fan.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy: England managers always stick with goalies too long. It happened with Shilton, Chris Woods, David Seaman (remember the Ronaldinho goal), Rob Green (remember the mistake against the USA or was that Scott Carson. Same difference, they were both ****), David James, Joe Hart of course. And now the giant arsed Mackem who shouldnt even be in the Everton first team.
Pickford will cost us a semi-final in the Euros or WC if Southgate keeps on picking him.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Olly’s ratings. I think I would just give the whole team a 4. We threw that game away.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Nice write up Olly. Frustrating yet again by our lot downing tools.
Shamrock(Quote)
I am old enough to have watched Jackie Milburn and the Robledo brothers among many more.There have been good times and bad but the last 13 years have been the worst.Even sitting in the stands at Roots Hall with my son watching Southend hammer Newcastle 4-0 or watching with him as kenny Dalglish’s injury hit side loose to Barcelona on a rainy and windy evening at The Nou Camp.Nothing comes near Mike Ashley’s reign
StanHardy(Quote)
Dead right Stan, He is like some money making vampire, sucking every last drop life from our enjoyment. We do just enough to survive, sometimes not, but most seasons just enough.
I cannot fully get on board with enjoying our best players because i don’t expects us to keep them long enough to see them at their best because you just know the guy will cash in if he thinks the price is right.
I would love us to be genuinely competitive again and not live in fear of losing our best players or seeing local lads being tempted away because we simply have nothing to offer by way of ambition.
kimtoon(Quote)
So Lascelles had words with Rose,telling him to effing clear it and was met with the response ” who do you think you’re talking too ?” from Rose to which Lascelles replied ” you “.
My money is on Lascelles in the dressing room after 😉 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Bruce starting to remind me of Pardoop now, excuse bingo and square pegs in round holes going on too.
kimtoon(Quote)
Our season’s been over for a long while now but did they have to prove it so emphatically.
On the beach with so many poor performances . . .
On the takeover – seems like to PL squeezing every last drop out of the Saudis. Now they want, and it’s supposed to be the final thing, is for the Saudis to end their sponsorship of ManU. It ends 31st of July. Here’s hoping.
georgio(Quote)
Every week there is a supposed new demand/snag from the PL it seems . Why didn’t they list all their concerns at the start ?
If half of what we have read is true then they look like a bunch of amateurs.
kimtoon(Quote)
Just saw the racist messages thrown at Wilf Zaha – absolutely sickening!!.
Good on him for sharing it and I hope they catch the little pr!ck.
Sharpy17(Quote)
have the loanees failed their auditions? I would say Rose and Bentelab have whoever is owner. Lazaro deserves a start or 2, so with nothing to play for we should take a better look.
We have a chance against Spurs. Mourinho seems to have an unhappy squad and he seems unhappy as well.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – I said after the Bmth game that I would have taken Rose and Bentalab – considering the fees suggested is £5m and £8.5m respectively.
I still don’t think we’d be getting robbed when you think what £13.5m would usually get you.
We could defo get better than both. But I still think they’d be good squad players at that price.
I haven’t got a clue on Lazaro though. He does look a pacy, tricky player & took his goal well against Bmth – but the lad needs game time.
I’d probably make it a priority to look at him properly in the final few games.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – I think Lascelles is a good Captain & I think his partnership with Fernandez has been strong in the main.
When Rose is motivated I think he’s a very good player. But I think that’s why Spurs are happy to let him go – he seems to lack the ability to self motivate for the ‘lesser’ games.
You never know what’s going on in the background with loan players. I’m sure his agent will be beavering away speaking to numerous club – and I’m pretty certain he’ll be speaking to Leicester as Chilwells replacement if he leaves them.
But it’s good to hear that Lascelles is doing his job on the pitch.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy: Rose will be 30 so not sure if we really want him. Before the loan to us he had told Spurs he was happy to see out his contract which has a year to run. Maybe that was just politics but we have seen it happen with many other players. Saivet, Colback and Marceleno for us to name a few. Jack Rodwell. Do you remember Winston Bogart who sat in Chelsea’s reserves for 5 years.
I think I would take a pass on Rose.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Pickford had yet another dodgy game today.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – there’s a number of Spurs players seeing their contracts out at Spurs to be fair to Rose so I do think there is more going on there than just Rose. If it was as you suggest, he could have sacked the loan off and just collected a wage at Spurs.
I fully expect him to replace Chilwell at Leicester if he moves on – and id be fine with that to be honest.
I suppose I’m thinking of either eventuality – if no takeover, then I expect little budget. Then £5m for Rose would be fine. If takeover, then I’d like to see us go get both the Norwich full backs – both very good young players who would grow with the squad.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Utterly vile mate, really upsetting to read so god only knows how Wilf must be feeling.
And to top it all Villa are winning 👿
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric – Everton were awful – like us yesterday. But I was surprised to see a Carlo side lay down like that.
Everton have spent a lot of money on players but I don’t see a strong squad there at all.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, i don’t want us to sign Rose, he’s not what he was and i think he has a suspect attitude problem.
What the press overheard yesterday if true, shows he has zero respect for the club captain and that’s not good for team spirit.
kimtoon(Quote)
Pickfords a p rat and will cost us if continued to be selected for England, Pope far better.
kimtoon(Quote)
So Villa have a bit of an escape route. Hard to call that one with Watford’s run-in. Jack Grealish is a cheat. They keep going on about him being the most fouled player but that is because he has perfected the art of running into a defenders leg on purpose. Keep an eye on him and you will see what I mean. Doesn’t mean he has no skills, he does, but he cheats.
Oh, and Miguel Delany at The Independent has written yet another article about NUFC.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Kim – I wouldn’t read too much into that particular exchange – they happen all the time. But it’s good to know Lascelles is dishing it out as the captain.
I’m not saying we really should be signing him, just that I could understand it for as little as £5m. I’m far more bothered about a CF than LB though.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Spurs created some decent chances in the London Derby. They have better players than us and if they turn up we could be in for a long night. Brighton dominated at SJP and then of course there is Liverpool. I am not making a prediction of 5 losses to end the season but it is possible.
I had predicted 5 points total after the Bournemouth game and we will be lucky to get that. We have 4 on the board so far. Quite a few (not on here) were predicting top 10 and 50 points.
I really do hate to see us lose but if we lose 4 or 5 of the last 5 games it might make the pundits STFU about Bruce.
I scan a few other blog comments now and again and there are usually a couple of hundred comments on a Guardian match report. Funny thing is I hardly ever see anybody say Bruce deserves to stay. It is that the football has been dire, we have been lucky and Dubs has saved us about 10 points. I sometimes wonder which games the pundits watch.
The people who have supported the team for years and watch every game can see what is going on. It is almost unanimous. How can the pundits not see it? Is it really because they want their English mate to have the job? There is definitely a stick togetherness when it comes to British Managers and the punditocracy. You know, yer Moyes’s, Mr Roys and Big Fat Sams. They were even in Arrogant Alan’s camp for all of his time at NUFC.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
And what does McClaren have to do not to be asked into the studio for his views? 1999 and “that night in Barcelona” was 21 years ago FFS. Sacked by England. Sacked by Alzmaar. Sacked by Derby. Sacked by NUFC and they still seek his opinion on transfer deadline day. And wasn’t Pards doing some Tuesday night debate thing before he completely failed in Belgium.
If you are British how badly do you have to perform not be asked back on football TV?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Man City European ban decision is tomorrow. I reckon they will reduce it and might even defer it for a year. I doubt if they will want to get sued and taking money out the game at this time by banning one of the richest clubs is not a good idea at this time.
Now let’s see if the PL can be sensible and approve our takeover for the same reasons. Actually, I dont care about their reasons, just get it done.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
My heart just sank to see on SSN that a 12 yr old boy has been arrested for the racist posts to Zaha – 12yr old!!!.
As a father of a boy a similar age, I say arrest the parents too. They have the responsibility to educate the lad and at 12 should know what he’s doing on social media.
Sharpy17(Quote)
12 years old !
How on earth has he been brought up to have such views ?, gonna have that follow him around for ever now .
kimtoon(Quote)
There may be a bit of hope against Spurs in the matchups. Our two best players are against bottom 3 quality fullbacks. Davies and Aurier are absolutely ****. I would say that their whole defense is next to useless but do we have the players down the middle to exploit this? Gayle on his day. Joelinton, no. Play Lazaro and have Miggy as the number 10?
Against Arsenal they had to play 2 holding players to protect that defense – Winks and Sissoko who is now a holding midfielder. Can we get at them though as they were very quick on the break and our defense has been wobbly at best in the last few games.
Spurs are vulnerable. The NL Derby should have been a draw and they drew against Bournemouth.
How bad must Rose and Trippier’s attitudes have been to let them go and keep Aurier and Davies?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
10 minutes after I wrote that about Spurs fullbacks I get a Daily Mirror notice that Auriers brother has been shot dead outside a nightclub in France.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
St Max and Miggy have knocks. Even Joelinton might be good enough on the wing against Spurs fullbacks though. Probably be Lazaro and Ritchie though with Joe as a number 10 behind Dwight. Carroll injured AGAIN.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
So City get their Euro ban overturned – and we have to worry about the Saudis ? absolute joke.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Man City overturn ban SSN
kimtoon(Quote)
Man City European ban lifted. Gives us the green light to do whatever we want when we get new owners.
Man U look set to get back into the CL. OGS has done well even though he got lucky with Greenwood and Fernandez. Pogba always had all the skills but was never a leader. Looking much better now that he is the 3rd best player on the team and doesnt have to do it all himself.
I also think Man U will win the Europa League. Could be a Manchester double with City winning the CL.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Sharpy and Kimtoon: I reckon it was a political decision with City as they couldnt be taking money out of the system when everybody is skint. Hopefully the PL will think the same with NUFC. But just get on with it. All of these other Arab countries have human rights issues and piracy is a worldwide problem that you will not solve by blocking a NUFC takeover.
The PL are showing themselves to be incompetent clowns. They cannot seriously be waiting for the Saudi sponsorship deal with Man U to expire? Is that in the rules for the fit and proper test?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
God knows mate, i suppose they see it as a conflict of interest somehow.
I just don’t see it happening now tbh. Whatever their decision they need to do it asap before our next season is completely ruined before we have kicked a ball.
kimtoon(Quote)
So they DID break the rules but the punishment was considered too harsh ! ban lifted and fine reduced.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – and that’s what’s disgusting about the decision. If UEFA had got it wrong then I’d have no issue with the overturning of the decision. But that’s not even the case – it’s that the courts thought the punishment wasn’t befitting. What’s the point in having the bloody rules then???.
£10m – that’s it??. How is that punishment for a club that can afford to break the **** rules!! … and the fine wasn’t for breaking the rules, it was for not playing ball in the investigation – so they have not been fined at all for breaking the rule!!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
A 10 mil fine Kimtoon. Pocket change to City and the Saudi PIF. WE could easily throw 200 million in the 1st transfer window and not worry, especially since the rules are based on a 3 year average.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I know it’s getting boring, but this site is still freezing and not showing the most recent comments ?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Makes no sense that decision.
kimtoon(Quote)
yep, same here
kimtoon(Quote)
I’m done with the site til it’s fixed. Each time I come on it’s frozen on 50 posts and has cleared all of my details again.
It’s been like this for weeks now. I know Olly has raised the issue again, but it’s not been fixed and the fixers don’t seem ar$ed.
I’m bored with it now.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I thought they would cut the ban to 1 year and defer it for a year so that it coincided with Pep’s contract ending. No ban means the rules are toothless. It is almost Trumpian to have these rules and then totally ignore them. They found City guilty FFS.
It is like Trump and Roger Stone who was convicted of helping Russians and a whole lot more. He was sentenced to 7 years in Jail which Trump’s Justice Department reduced to 4. He is a convicted felon but Trump now says he wont go to jail, first using Corona Virus as an excuse and now saying at 74 it would be like a death sentence for Stone, There is no question that Trump will pardon him when he leaves office.
I bring this up because they are both examples of elites looking after their own and going against THEIR OWN LAWS.
But, it will help us if we get taken over by the Saudis as it has set a precedent and there is no way UEFA will intervene even if we spend half a billion over 2 years.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Let’s hope this decision consigns FFP to the bin. It’s prohibitive and grossly unfair.
12 year old wankers being the big I am on Twitter. I’d like to know about his parents. They need to take responsibility fo this. But and there’s always a but. It’s important we don’t start believing that Twitter is the be all and end all of life. It’s not representative of normal people in normal life but it is a incredibly dangerous platform which in my view will ultimately cause more harm than good.
Against Watford we were woeful as usual this season. The odd good performance doesn’t really paint over our inadequacies.
Can this takeover ever get to a final decision ffs?! I’m bored now.
Stuart79(Quote)
What Stone did used to be known as treason and Trump forgives him because he has the dirt on his taxes and Russia links. I dont expect many on here to follow this closely but it shows how some of these institutions, inc Govt, act with total impunity and disregard to anything that is right.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Good to see the Covid deaths are still reducing even after loosening the restrictions.
But why do I constantly have to fill my details in ?
Stuart79(Quote)
https://richardajkeys.com/index.php/blog/240-fit-and-proper
For what it’s worth, he reckons friday.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim, I don’t think it’s beyond the realms of possibility that BeIN Sports will be kept in the loop given it’s their complaint that’s been the main hold up in this. I assume they’d keep Keys up to date. But then again it could be bull ****.
But I can’t imagine it goes on much longer as it’s starting make the PL look incompetent and I imagine they’re getting it in the neck from the club, from the buyers and from the government.
Stuart79(Quote)
The 4 relegation threatened teams all winning was an aberration. They all average less than a point per game and that’s probably what they will get in the last 3 games. I would take the points on the board as the biggest indicator, even though that might be stating the obvious. But, West Ham play Watford on Friday. A draw probably makes them both safe. They will probably play out the whole game on the half way line.
The only spanner in the works I can see is Villa’s next game is away at Everton who have looked ****. A draw may not be enough though. I will be cheering for the Blue Bindippers even though they are of no consequence to me. Although, I do see some calls now for Pickford to lose his England place. I have been saying this for 2 years.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
For those who think the football under Steve is dire ,does anyone remember Gordon Lee who came from Blackburn to replace Joe Harvey.He hated stars and sold Supermac to Arsenal bought Alan Gowling.Football was cronic .He only stayed about 18months He did get the team to the League cup final where Man City took the trophy.He was followed by Richard Dinnis and that is another tale all together.
StanHardy(Quote)
For those who think the football under Steve Bruce is dire does anyone remember Gordon Lee.He came from Blackburn to replace Joe Harvey.He hated stars ( perhaps he couldnt handle them) and sold Supermac to Arsenal and bought Alan Gowling.The football was terrible although the team did reach the League Cup final losing to Man City.He left after about 18 months to be replaced by Richard Dinnis a man well out of his depth(Shades of John Carver) but that is another story.
StanHardy(Quote)
You can tell I am an old boy because have awful trouble with posting .Sorry about duplicate
StanHardy(Quote)
Sorry about double post trying to get the hang of this
StanHardy(Quote)
Stan, don’t worry mate, there are issues with the site at present so likely not down to you. Even if it is, it doesn’t matter we’ve all done it, well i have anyway.
Loved Supermac Stan, great player .
kimtoon(Quote)
Just read Martin Samuels piece on the Man City decision. He was spot on. He’s right, the top clubs want to pull the ladder up and not let other clubs compete with them. That’s why they’re so keen on FFP. He’s also right that Man City have few friends in the game because they smashed it to pieces and continue to do so. Maybe Newcastle and Man City will come together shortly as MBS and the King of Abu Dhabi are thought to be very close. If we are to attempt to get into the top echelons of football we will need some friends because there’ll be precious few of the established clubs that’s for sure.
Stuart79(Quote)
I see face masks are going to be compulsory indoors shortly. What a joke. Will there be any liberties left for us to hold on to after this is over?
Can’t we just say to people if you are vulnerable you need to do this, that or the other, if you are worried you should stay at home and if you’re neither just get on with your life. Why do we need to be forced to do things when it’s actually taking away all our liberties.
Stuart79(Quote)
Roughly every four minutes someone dies of cancer in this country yet the government don’t ban cigarettes, alcohol, sugar and other things that contribute to cancer.
Why the ott actions for Covid?
Stuart79(Quote)
17,000 people a year die of flu each year in the UK. Why haven’t masks been thrust upon us to save these lives? Do Covid lives matter more than Flu lives?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart this is an incredibly complicated situation that has been fcked up on both sides of the Atlantic. They are scrambling to find some way to catch up and open up the schools and economy. There is much more information out there now.
Face masks are not a civil liberties issue, they are a safety issue. If you can do something as simple as this to reduce the spread and deaths then why not do it. Are you against seat belts, motorcycle helmets, MOTs that reduce road accidents. How about smoking bans in bars that prevent second hand smoke? Maybe there should not be mandatory safety checks of elevators/lifts and people should ride at their own risk?
I think you are barking up the wrong tree railing against face masks.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stu: what happened over here was that there were initial hotspots in places like New York that had to act and got the virus under control. Other states with Trumpian Republican governors largely ignored the issue thinking it wouldnt happen to them. It was magical thinking following the advice of Trump himself. But there is a lot of travel between states like NY and CA, AZ and FL so it was inevitable there would be flare ups there and since they had no real plans to prevent the spread it has been like wildfire. Unfortunately that is where a lot of old people live. In nursing homes but also in retirement communities. Be prepared for dire news of deaths, even as treatment has gotten better.
if you have 100 80 year olds in a complex in FL and one persons nephew from NY comes in who is a carrier you can imagine what might happen.
It is an incredibly complex situation and if I lived in one of the hard hit states and was over 65 you can bet I would be self isolating. I wear a mask outside and to shop in Chicago where the positive testing rate is 2.6% compared to 30% in AZ.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
All of that said, I still think there will be more secondary deaths from closing the economy than primary deaths from CV-19. It is incredibly complicated. Wearing a mask is the easiest thing and the self isolation is to make sure Intensive Care Units are not overrun.
This should not be a political football but Trump has made it that way over here and now there is so much reactive talk on all sides you dont know what to believe. It is certainly not a HOAX though as some on the right say over here including our dear leader.
Eric Sykes(Quote)