Newcastle 1-4 Man Utd: Bruce gets it horribly wrong as beatable Red Devils run riot

It’s pretty alarming that an out of sorts Manchester United don’t play particularly well at St James’ Park yet still run away 1-4 winners – and it could’ve been a lot worse.

Despite taking the lead early in the opening exchanges, we sat back, were passive throughout and set up far too defensively against a side who could’ve been there for the taking. The players weren’t always aggressive enough, but you’re sometimes only as good as your game plan – and ours seemed none existent tonight.

I just hope no one reading this paid £14.95 to watch it on Sky Sports Box Office!

Steve Bruce made just ONE change for this one, taking out Fabian Schar and recalling fit-again skipper Jamaal Lascelles. Hendrick also kept his place in the side – a call which didn’t go down too well with some Mags on social media after Ryan Fraser’s eye-catching displays over the international break.

That said, we set up in more of a 4-5-1, with Joelinton down the right-hand side, ASM left, Wilson up top and a midfield trio of Shelvey, Hayden and Hendrick.

Sadly, it didn’t work.

Within two minutes of kick off, we took the lead! Wilson held the ball up well, released Saint-Maximin and he and Shelvey then combined to get the ball out to Krafth down our right-hand side. There were few options in the box, but his cross took a wicked deflection off of Luke Shaw and snuck past a rooted David De Gea. 1-0 and a dream start, but it only went downhill from here!

At this point we should’ve kicked on and jumped all over a Man Utd side who were on the ropes with zero confidence, yet we sat back and invited pressure as if we were playing one of Sir Alex Ferguson’s title-winning sides from the 90’s.

The visitors then dominated the ball and immediately pushed for an equaliser, with us choosing to sit back and invite pressure – not press on against an under-pressure side and push for a second.

An away goal was coming and Man Utd had the ball in the net via a stunning finish from Bruno Fernandes 19 minutes in. However, VAR soon chalked it off after Juan Mata was shown to be in an offside position as he received the pass that saw him set up their Portuguese star.

So, it remained 1-0 – and rightly so based on the replays – but not for long. Man Utd forced a corned after Rashford got in behind Jamal Lascelles. Juan Mata took it and his tempting ball was headed home by Harry Maguire, who was afforded far too much space in the box and glanced home past a helpless Karl Dalow. 1-1.

It had been a dream start from us, but this was the equaliser we had been asking for after sitting deeper and deeper, with a hit and miss Saint-Maximin and isolated Wilson being our only outlets when we had rare moments on the ball. A baffling and utterly frustrating approach from Steve Bruce.

Aside from a brilliant ASM effort that was well saved by De Gea, we barely threatened. The midfield trio of Shelvey, Hendrick and Hayden wasn’t really working, being bypassed far too often, and Joelitnon looked lost down the right-hand side. Bruce’s decision to play him out wide was baffling given he’d just had one of his best performances for the club in a no.10 role just behind Wilson last time out.

Darlow was by far the busier of the two goalkeepers and could come off with his head held high at half time after several solid stops and punches, however it felt like a Man Utd win was only a matter of time away if we didn’t impose ourselves on the game in the second half.

Just a few minutes into the restart and it was bad news for Steve Bruce, with Hayden limping off and being replaced by Schar – who slotted into midfield in a holding role.

We then very nearly took the lead just moments later, with some brilliant skill and a sumptuous cross by ASM being met by Wilson in the six-yard box. It looked a certain goal, only for De Gea to claw the ball off the line miraculously.

A Jonjo Shelvey shot aside, that was the closest we’d come to a goal before Man Utd ran riot.

VAR came to our rescue in the first half, however it earned Man Utd a penalty in the second half, with the referee deeming Lewis to have tripped Marcus Rashford after being referred to the pitch-side monitor.

Bruno Fernandes stepped up. We all expected him to score given his immaculate record from the spot until this point, however his penalty was superbly saved by the outstanding Karl Darlow.

Our star player (again!) kept us in it, however he could only do so much as Man Utd went on to win the game comfortably in the final 10 minutes.

Fernandes made up for his penalty miss by latching onto a Rashford through ball and smashing past an injured Karl Darlow – who was somehow left to soldier on through the final 20 minutes despite clearly being in too much discomfort to continue!

Aaron Wan-Bissaka then added a third in the 90th minute with a thumping strike, before Marcus Rashford made the scoreline that bit more emphatic with a 96th minute finish after being slipped in by Fernandes.

It says a lot when your goalkeeper is the man of the match despite conceding four!

We may have taken an early lead and kept the scoreline to 1-1 until the 86th minute, but never imposed ourselves on the game and gave Man Utd the freedom of St James’ Park for most of it. Bruce’s changes were either too late or not positive enough, bringing Almiron on with just five minutes to play despite several of our midfielders being out on their feet for most of the second 45!

Bruce has promised a more attacking style of play – and we saw that against Burnley last time out – however it’s an alarming case of one step forwards, two steps back after what we’ve just witnessed here.

Next up we face a tough trip to Wolves next Sunday – and we’ll need to be much better if we want to avoid another hiding.

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60 thoughts on “Newcastle 1-4 Man Utd: Bruce gets it horribly wrong as beatable Red Devils run riot

  1. Olly – despite it being an OG, I thought the move for the goal was excellent. We moved the ball forward quickly & there were players in advanced positions – it was Kraft the RB who put the ball into the box.

    But potentially the early goal was what encouraged that sit back attitude.

    To be fair, we had break away moment – more than we did against Spurs a few weeks back.

    But again, I hate to single players out – but Joelinton was a passenger again. He done nothing today – and there’s the difference in quality between the 2 sides.
    Here’s something I realised in the game – Bruno Fernandes cost £9.5m more than Joelinton 😳😳😳.

    But our complete capitulation in the last 10mins was so disappointing.

    Bruce said the last 10mins was interesting. It was there for either team to win – well it wasn’t like. We were getting battered, and he was naive not to shut up shop – not to allow that space in behind & watch us throw that point away.

    Were Man Utd very good on the counter, or were we very poor in defending them.

    Watching it back on MOTD and for Fernandes goal – Man Utd second – he run passed so many NUFC players. One being Fraser who had fresh legs, but jogged back – is that on Bruce?!.

    I think the players need to take some as well. The Man Utd players wanted it more tonight. Some of our players aren’t putting enough in – but Bruce HAS to stop putting Joelinton in when he has Miggy & Fraser on the bench. We play with 10 men when he’s on.

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  2. Ok. I am assuming Bruce is talking about rafa’s system when he said we are trying to change but it takes time. I have news for him, these players never played for Data so didn’t follow his drills.

    Krafth, Lewis, Joe, Wilson, st Max. Not sure if Carlos started in pl either.

    This is your team Bricks, you need to own it and stop with the Data excuses.

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  3. Bruce just gives too much respect to so called big teams. Palace outplayed Man U and I watched the Spurs game and they were useless.

    What do we do? Sit back and hope for a draw.

    One step forward and 2 steps back. I am having Pardew deja vu nightmares.

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  4. It’s all very well saying Bruce got it wrong, but at the end of the day, last night, Newcastle, with a team value of 270 million pounds, stayed in the game for eighty odd minutes against a Manchester united that cost 800 million. We got a draw against a Spurs team that cost 738 million.

    Your argument against Bruce is pretty feeble. It’s like racing a Nissan Sunny against a BMW M3 then blaming the driver when the Beemer blasts the Nissan off the track.

    Compare the cost of our team to Burnley, on the other hand, and we had a better chance.

    Get behind the team FFS – hanging in there for eighty something minutes was an achievement.

    We know Bruce isn’t Guardiola or Mourinho, but do we have to go over the same story again and again?

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  5. Last night the realisation hit me.

    When we went 1 – 0 up after 2 minutes with a Man U own goal, there was a chance that we could be the first team in history to win a match without a single attempt on goal!

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  6. More Bruce magic . . . we need a new manager quickly but Ashley doesn’t think like that.
    It’s doing my head in that he keeps choosing two donkeys instead of Miggy and Fraser. There’s nothing about Joe or Hendrick that suggests PL footballer.

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  7. BykerBill:
    It’s all very well saying Bruce got it wrong, but at the end of the day, last night, Newcastle, with a team value of 270 million pounds, stayed in the game for eighty odd minutes against a Manchester united that cost 800 million. We got a draw against a Spurs team that cost738 million.

    Your argument against Bruce is pretty feeble. It’s like racing a Nissan Sunny against a BMW M3 then blaming the driver when the Beemer blasts the Nissan off the track.

    Compare the cost of our teamto Burnley, on the other hand, and we had a better chance.

    Get behind the team FFS – hanging in there for eighty something minutes was an achievement.

    We know Bruce isn’t Guardiola or Mourinho, but do we have to go over the same story again and again?

    Bill – I understand what you’re saying mate, but the cost of a team doesn’t mean they are a good one, or that it’s a forgone conclusion that they win the game.

    Compare the cost of Chelsea against Saints yesterday and it should have been no contest.

    Ironically, in keeping with your argument, our most expensive player is our least effective.

    Bruce keeps selecting Joelinton and we might as well be a 10 man team, because last night he done nothing.

    I don’t lay all the blame at Bruce’s door – not last night. I think he got it very wrong against Spurs, but last night I just the Man U players want it more, running harder and upping their game – our players didn’t match that. Partly on Bruce, but there is a personal responsibility for your own performance, and that’s on the players too.

    I hear people calling for Bruce’s sacking, I’m interested to know who they’d want in. That’s not to say we can’t get better, or that I’m happy with Bruce – I just don’t know who comes in … and anyone who says Poch has lost the plot.

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  8. Why has Manquillo been dropped when his form was quite good? Not complaining against Kraft but is he being picked at Manquillo’s expense because he was a Bruce acquisition. Same goes for Hendrick who can’t control a ball and offers nothing. How Bruce can leave Miggy out beats me but then Bruce is our manager and that explains it perhaps.

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  9. Groucho:
    Why has Manquillo been dropped when his form was quite good? Not complaining against Kraft but is he being picked at Manquillo’s expense because he was a Bruce acquisition. Same goes for Hendrick who can’t control a ball and offers nothing. How Bruce can leave Miggy out beats me but then Bruce is our manager and that explains it perhaps.

    Groucho – I think Miggy was probably due to the fatigue of international duties & all the travel to be fair mate.
    Kraft has done well so far this season and is more of a defensive RB than Manq I think.
    Hendrick is still settling in and I’m not sure he understands what his role & position in the team actually is to be honest. He’s in good company 🙄😂

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  10. Can not agree that Krafth is more of a defensive player than Manq.
    I did not see the game yesterday but in the games I have seen , krafth is usually way up the field playing as a right winger.

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  11. I note Bruce is getting some deserved criticism.
    I was one of the very few on here who thought Rafa was a poor manager and Bruce is no better or worse. I was delighted when Rafa left and I will shed no tears for Bruce.

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  12. Sharpy17: Groucho – I think Miggy was probably due to the fatigue of international duties & all the travel
    to be fair mate.
    Kraft has done well so far this season and is more of a defensive RB than Manq I think.
    Hendrick is still settling in and I’m not sure he understands what his role & position in the team actually is to be honest.He’s in good company

    Sharply I’m not certain that I buy Mighy may have been tired afte international duties were it not for the fact that Miggy was also on the bench against Burnley. I don’t think fatigue would stop Bruce putting a player on the pitch. After all he has a history of keeping injured players on the pitch. Dubravka and yesterday Hayden and Darlow.

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  13. Van Dijk needs surgery and his season might be over. That was a terrible and reckless tackle by the dirty stinking Mackem. Can they give him a retro red and ban?

    Should ban him for life. At least from England. And he was at fault for the goal that was wrongly chalked off.

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  14. I love that NUFC fans raised £20k for the food bank instead of paying the PPV money for the Man U game.

    I didn’t buy it in, but I also didn’t know about the money being raise.

    What a good cause, and a great 2 fingered salute to project big picture

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  15. I agree, Sharpy. The PL is eating itself. I personally wish “the big six” would just set up their own league and let the rest get on with competing in a competitive PL. it wouldn’t take long before the money came flooding in and the Super League fans would be bored ****less playing the same teams every other week.

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  16. Mrs Doubtfire does my head in with his game plans or lack of them he is out of his depth in the PL and a very poor ccc manager,Frazer gets motm for his country and cannot get into a lets defend team,we have had some very bad managers over the last few yrs but he takes the first prize needs gone asap

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  17. talk once again that L/Pool and M/Utd will push their noses in if toon takeover looks like getting a green light even their fans are against it,but the yanks only worry about money they may lose greedy scum bags

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  18. Dead right Ice, about the takeover and Bruce. Everything about NUFC is getting me down but especially Bruce. That Joe on the right wing when Miggy and Fraser are available is bloody criminal.
    Joe wouldn’t get a game for Gateshead, he’s dreadful at everything to do with football.

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  19. georgio:
    Dead right Ice, about the takeover and Bruce. Everything about NUFC is getting me down but especially Bruce. That Joe on the right wing when Miggy and Fraser are available is bloody criminal.
    Joe wouldn’t get a game for Gateshead, he’s dreadful at everything to do with football.

    agree mate,what is mrs Doubtfire trying to prove at the cost to the team,surely the rest of the lads can see hes costing them games

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  20. Stuart79:
    I agree, Sharpy. The PL is eating itself. I personally wish “the big six” would just set up their own league and let the rest get on with competing in a competitive PL. it wouldn’t take long before the money came flooding in and the Super League fans would be bored ****less playing the same teams every other week.

    Agree mate, wouldn’t miss em one bit.

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  21. Klopp is really p!ssed off at the PL and VAR in particular. I dont blame him. Gini Wijnaldum said that the Pickford assault (tackle) was completely stupid and Klopp agreed. If they want to go around assaulting people they should take up rugby!!! I think he wanted to say more but knew it would just get him a 50k fine. Van Dijk is out for pretty much the whole season and the T-Rex armed Mackem gets away scot free. Where’s the justice, where’s the sense?

    Pickford has a reputation for being a bit of a moron and we saw it up close at SJP. If he ever wears an England shirt again I will start a campaign to get Southgate sacked.

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  22. Eric Sykes:
    Klopp is really p!ssed off at the PL and VAR in particular. I dont blame him. Gini Wijnaldum said that the Pickford assault (tackle) was completely stupid and Klopp agreed. If they want to go around assaulting people they should take up rugby!!! I think he wanted to say more but knew it would just get him a 50k fine. Van Dijk is out for pretty much the whole season and the T-Rex armed Mackem gets away scot free. Where’s the justice, where’s the sense?

    Pickford has a reputation for being a bit of a moron and we saw it up close at SJP. If he ever wears an England shirt again I will start a campaign to get Southgate sacked.

    Eric – you might not agree mate, but I feel sorry for Pickford for how much sh!t he is getting over this.
    He closed the ball down, making himself big much like Schmichael used to, and collided badly with VVD.
    It was a horrific collision & he should have seen red because it was dangerous – but I don’t believe that any thought crossed his mind to intentionally hurt him.
    The reason I say that, is that going into that challenge like that – he could have come out being the one injured worse – much like the Gazza injury.

    I’m really bored of hearing the Lpool fans now banging on about the PL being over – are they really saying that after spending all that money – all that quality in there squad and Klopp as the coach, they are actually a one man team??.

    Injuries happen. They need to suck it up and get on with it!!. Then, when the time comes, they can take Man Utd and f@&k off to their super league!!!

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  23. Sharpy mate, my gripe with Pickford is not really about that he injured Van Dijk. It is because he is shyte and it took the pundits 2 years to realise it and then another 6 months to say anything. I know, I am on my hobby horse again about how these pundits get on some narrative about a player they like and never divert from it until they get slapped in the face with a wet kipper.

    I agree with what you said about Schmeikel but do you remember that challenge at the world cup that ended a player’s career? I will look it up and see if there is a youtube of it.

    Pickford is a moron. Even his Mackem friends say he is.

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  24. And… AND… Pickford’s distribution is not all that it is cracked up to be either. He hoofs it 70 yards to someone on the wing and 25% of the time the ball goes into touch and then it usually goes to the opposition because they have 2 defenders on the Everton players. In summary, he is a short, t-rex armed, shyte Mackem moron who is a decent shot stopper, until he isnt. As evidenced by him completely failing to keep out Henderson’s shot last weekend.

    Apart from that, I quite like him.

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  25. And on Charlie’s piece about 95% of NUFC fans being against Bruce. I gave him until last Christmas to show me something and he showed that luck matters as much as skill sometimes. I said then he would take us down this year because his luck would eventually run out. I have changed my mind though as we have got some good players in. Wilson > Joelinton. Fraser > Atsu. Lewis > Ritchie (as fullback).

    The worrying thing is that Bruce doesnt seem to know what to do with the new players and wont even play some of our better players. C’mon, if you had a choice of Miggy or Joe who would it be?

    I still think we will stay up. If Bruce takes us down it will be the best squad ever to go down. Better even than the one Rafa/Schteve took down.

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  26. Can we release Joe and being back Ivon Toney?

    The direction the big 6 are trying to take the PL is sickening and if they get their way, a lot of people will stop following the sport I reckon. No point if it’s corrupt and fixed.

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  27. I’ve just read there has been 1.2m missed breast cancer scans since we entered the first lockdown. That is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting! How have we got to a position where only Covid deaths seem to matter these days? This is the tip of the iceberg.

    There’s a day coming soon where we are going to have to just accept that this virus will kill people and then people are 97% sure to be old and ill. We can’t eradicate so we must get on and accept that we can’t save people from dying. It’s life. It’s over to the vulnerable to shield themselves.

    I dread to think what the future holds for this country with no money, mass poverty, mass health issues caused by this nonsense and endless unemployment.

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  28. Stuart79:
    I’ve just read there has been 1.2m missed breast cancer scans since we entered the first lockdown. That is absolutely ridiculous and disgusting! How have we got to a position where only Covid deaths seem to matter these days? This is the tip of the iceberg.

    There’s a day coming soon where we are going to have to just accept that this virus will kill people and then people are 97% sure to be old and ill. We can’t eradicate so we must get on and accept that we can’t save people from dying. It’s life. It’s over to the vulnerable to shield themselves.

    I dread to think what the future holds for this country with no money, mass poverty, mass health issues caused by this nonsense and endless unemployment.

    Stu – I rang my mate last weekend to see how he was doing as he’d been under the weather. He had/has the flu – he was certain of it – the one where it hurts to lift your head off the pillow – all the symptoms in his head – no loss of taste or raging temperature, but he was told he had to go for a COVID test.
    So he rang to book one and was told the only one left was a walk through one at his local test site. He asked for a drive through one or home test as he felt like sh!t and didn’t want to be stood in a queue – but was told that appointment was booked and if he didn’t go it was a waste of a slot (real jobs worth).
    So he went and was stood 20mins in a queue that wasn’t moving before thinking ‘sod this, I want a lemsip & me bed’ and heading home.
    The following day he got a text message to say he had tested positive – positive for a test he never took!!.

    The incompetence has nothing to do with the vulnerable or elderly mate – he’s late 30s and fit as a fiddle once flu free.

    On a separate note though. I did a doorstep visit as it was my Gdads 87th birthday yesterday. I took my 11yr old son over to see his great grandparents for only the 2nd time this year. We put the present on the doorstep, knocked on the door then moved to the end of the drive.
    Physically he is obviously very frail – he’s 87, I get that he would be. But mentally – 8 months of shielding has taken its toll mate. He’s walked to the top of his street – that’s the furthest he’s been in 8 months.

    Those who are shielding are the ones already suffering.

    They aren’t the problem. It’s the d!ckheads who can go about their daily lives, but can’t stick to the damn rules – who have to have their parties & larger gatherings than stated.

    It’s the government who put these restrictions in place, then send all the students back to the halls of residence and the virus spreads like wildfire.

    If you think you have it bad coz you can’t go to the pub or on holiday, try spending a week only being able to walk to the top of your street & the remainder of your time locked in your house.

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  29. Sharpy – Whether it’s a full lockdown or partial your grandad isn’t going to be able to go out. Or do you think he should be able to go out and about and if he gets it he gets it? We can’t keep going like this it’s not possible.

    It’s all relative. Your grandad not allowed past the end of his street is another young, lonely persons not being able to meet their friends in the pub or at their house.

    The fact is your grandad is the one at risk.

    This virus isn’t indiscriminate. It discriminates against older people and 99% of those who die have serious underlying health issues.

    What’s wrong with shielding them?

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  30. I’d also point out that lockdowns haven’t worked. We locked down for 4 months at the beginning of the year and were right back to square one. What did it achieve apart from delaying some deaths. Well, it has created millions of unemployed, thousands of mental illness’ thousands of missed diagnoses and most likely hundreds of thousands of deaths over the next ten years due to lack of funds.

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  31. Stuart79:
    Sharpy – Whether it’s a full lockdown or partial your grandad isn’t going to be able to go out. Or do you think he should be able to go out andabout and if he gets it he gets it? We can’t keep going like this it’s not possible.

    It’s all relative. Your grandad not allowed past the end of his street is another young, lonely persons not being able to meet their friends in the pub or at their house.

    The fact is your grandad is the one at risk.

    This virus isn’t indiscriminate. It discriminates against older people and 99% of those who die have serious underlying health issues.

    What’s wrong with shielding them?

    No mate, he absolutely has to shield – hence why we have seen very little of them this year. But it is taking its toll mentally.

    They can meet up in pubs – up until 10pm, and restaurants or cafes. They can meet in parks or any open space.

    The reason the virus continues to spread isn’t because the rules are wrong – it’s coz many people choose to ignore them. It’s because the government continue to make stupid decisions, and it’s because many people can have COVID with having a single symptom.

    My cousins 14yr old son was sent home from school with cold symptoms, but the school said he had to isolate for 10 days or get a negative test to come back sooner. So he, my cousin, her husband and their 18yr old daughter were all tested. Her son & husband both negative, but she and her daughter were both positive – neither had a single symptom, they were as healthy as you can be.

    Lockdowns will only ever be a short term fix. What is needed most is a test, track and trace system that works far better than the one we have now. It’s at about a 70% success rate at the moment – that’s not good enough – and miles behind Germany for example.

    We were assured we’d have a world class system – their words not mine. It’s far from that. They have not perfected the test, track & trace and I don’t believe the antibody test even exists yet.

    The Countries who are managing the virus best have the testing system set up – we don’t. They are managing the spread without a herd immunity – because that only puts people at risk, not just of death, but this long COVID that is on the increase as well.

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  32. Sharpy17: Stu – I rang my mate last weekend to see how he was doing as he’d been under the weather.He had/has the flu – he was certain of it – the one where it hurts to lift your head off the pillow – all the symptoms in his head – no loss of taste or raging temperature, but he was told he had to go for a COVID test.
    So he rang to book one and was told the only one left was a walk through one at his local test site.He asked for a drive through one or home test as he felt like sh!t and didn’t want to be stood in a queue – but was told that appointment was booked and if he didn’t go it was a waste of a slot (real jobs worth).
    So he went and was stood 20mins in a queue that wasn’t moving before thinking ‘sod this, I want a lemsip & me bed’ and heading home.
    The following day he got a text message to say he had tested positive – positive for a test he never took!!.

    The incompetence has nothing to do with the vulnerable or elderly mate – he’s late 30s and fit as a fiddle once flu free.

    On a separate note though.I did a doorstep visit as it was my Gdads 87th birthday yesterday.I took my 11yr old son over to see his great grandparents for only the 2nd time this year.We put the present on the doorstep, knocked on the door then moved to the end of the drive.
    Physically he is obviously very frail – he’s 87, I get that he would be.But mentally – 8 months of shielding has taken its toll mate.He’s walked to the top of his street – that’s the furthest he’s been in 8 months.

    Those who are shielding are the ones already suffering.

    They aren’t the problem.It’s the d!ckheads who can go about their daily lives, but can’t stick to the damn rules – who have to have their parties & larger gatherings than stated.

    It’s the government who put these restrictions in place, then send all the students back to the halls of residence and the virus spreads like wildfire.

    If you think you have it bad coz you can’t go to the pub or on holiday, try spending a week only being able to walk to the top of your street & the remainder of your time locked in your house.

    Very well said Sharpy .

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  33. The testing should be in the hands of local health authorities not dished out to private tory doner companies.

    How can people who failed to take the test test positive ? This is happening with alarming frequency and needs urgently looking into.
    This dishing out contracts to private firms with Tory links has been going on since covid broke, i posted several links to it .
    Lockdown was the time to get all the local HA’s to set up test and trace for their local people not hand it to a private firm because you owe them one.
    Lockdown was totally wasted in that respect.
    The fact is we have a complete joke of a government and a liar at the helm surrounded by his cronies . Could Labour have done any better, well they sure as hell couldn’t of done much worse.

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  34. Shamrock:
    Can we release Joe and being back Ivon Toney?

    The direction the big 6 are trying to take the PL is sickening and if they get their way, a lot of people will stop following the sport I reckon. No point if it’s corrupt and fixed.

    Agree mate, football is going to hell in a hand cart, corrupt as hell as it stands and i blame the Premier league and Broadcasters for creating the monster it’s now unable to control.
    PL = Frankenstein made real.

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  35. kimtoon: Very wellsaid Sharpy .

    Kim – I understand Stus frustration as well, because all of us just want to get back to normal life. It is sh!t for all – but I don’t like this idea of leave the vuln & elderly to it while we all get on with it. If you’re going to die, well we all will at some point 🤷🏼‍♂️.

    We are all in this together and have to stay together. We should be holding the government to greater account and turning on those selfishly breaking very simple rules, rather than the vuln and elderly.

    You are dead right. The trace and trace should have been about the nation benefitting from its setting up, not the fat cats and their mates.

    As I say, there are examples of other Countries getting it right, so the argument that this is unprecedented and they are learning as they go doesn’t stand up when they have successful models to follow from other Countries.
    The government don’t even hold their own to account or punish those breaking rules from their own parties – so we can be to surprised now can we?!.

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  36. I listened to John Gibson and Malcolm McDonald on Wraith’s youtube broadcast yesterday. They quoted another damning stat that we have conceded the most shots of any team in the PL. I think they said 29 against Spurs and 28 against Man U. That’s partly why Darlow has such good stats in terms of shot stopping.

    But what else does it tell us? It tells us that despite setting up with a back 4 instead of 5 that we are still inviting the better teams to come on to us. We have better quality players this year but are playing the same way, PLAYING SCARED.

    It would be easy to say the players should just take it upon themselves to attack but I think this is a deliberate plan by the Steves. To sit back and play for a draw and hope to nick a goal. It doesn’t usually work like that.

    Our forward players are now our strength. What’s the point in having Wilson, St Max, Miggy, Fraser if all you do is defend? And if you only want to defend, then why is Shelvey on the pitch? Not the quarterback nonsense again please.

    You should all listen to the Wraith show on Wednesdays for the comedy value. SuperMac absolutely hates Joelinton and it is funny to hear his rants.

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  37. I suppose that I qualify as being elderly and vulnerable.
    I go to the supermarket twice a week and I often pop into the bookies. I am not really worried as everyone is wearing masks and keeping a little distance apart . Even people walking on the high street or walking round the local shopping centre are wearing masks even though they are outside and are not obliged to wear one.
    I live in North Tyneside and coronavirus cases have gone down 17% this week . Newcastle City has shown a 33% decrease in cases this week.
    Just shows what can be achieved if people behave responsibly.
    Sunderland , on the other hand , have had an increase in cases of 6% this week .

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  38. We are still playing Rafa-ball without Rafa’s organisational ability. I didnt like it when Rafa played it and I certainly dont like it now.

    Really, is this the plan. Concede possession to the top 8 and hope we get enough points to stay up against the rest of the bottom 11? We will see against Wolves. They are a borderline team. Upper midtable. Will Brucie take any risks or again be content to have 35% possession and hit them on the break. Wolves are usually a counterattacking team anyway so are we going to have a Mexican standoff where both teams wait for the other to do something?

    My summary of this season is that we play scared and wait for St Max to do something. Even against West Ham and Burnley there were periods where we invited pressure. I know there is ebb and flow in all games but even here we were timid. That’s it. That’s what we are! TIMID. But we have the players not to be timid.

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  39. Well, I have been on 4 planes in the last week and that means 4 airports. I also stayed in 5 different hotels. I was always masked up and everyone around me was as well. The airports and hotels required it. But still, I have caught something. I think it is the common cold. I have none of the corona virus symptoms but despite all of the precautions I got a cold because the germs are different when you travel.

    I dont really know what I am saying here except that masks and being careful are not a complete solution. And if you think you have a moron and liar running your government try living in Trump-land. The man has a vocabulary that the average 5-year old beats – terrific, beautiful, tremendous. That’s it. The only 3 adjectives he knows.

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  40. Boston just shut all of its schools. It has a population of 4.3 million. To put that into context, Birmingham (not Alabama) has a population of 2.6 million.

    I have no idea what the answer is to all of this. We keep getting mixed messages and openings and shut downs.

    Herd immunity seems like CULLING the herd to me. There has to be a better way than that, but if masks cannot stop me getting a cold then they are not a full solution either.

    I booked the trip I just went on 6 months ago because I thought back then that if this thing hadnt died down by now we would all be fcked. And yet, here we are! Nothing much has changed. Do I have CV-19 fatigue? Probably. I just booked another trip too, this time to Florida in Jan because I am sick of sitting on my couch. I dont think I am being imprudent and will take all of the precautions the Drs and experts tell me to take. But a mask didnt stop me getting a cold and I am not sure if it will stop me getting CV-19. My view is that it cant hurt though and I am not cavalier with my health even though I am low risk.

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  41. Sidekick:
    The state governor has declared that Florida is going for herd immunity.
    Enjoy your trip.

    Sidekick: Ron DeSantis (FL Gov) is a fcking idiot. A Trump mini-me. I dont believe a word he says.

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  42. Eric, you likely don’t have a cold but air travel air con syndrome. My ex frequently goes back and forth to Spain and Berlin and every time he gets there and back here is full of what looks like a cold for a day or so.

    That’s why flying is risky at present, the air con despite it’s hepra filters is crap, hospital aircon is the same, i’m always stuffy and ill within 24 hours of staying in with Lew when he’s admitted .

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  43. Wow I massively over credited the government with the track n trace. I said earlier around 70% – it’s been said today it’s actually less that 60%.

    They also said that it’s most effective when the infection rate is down (state the bleeding obvious), and for it to be most effective, they need the test to be resulted and rolled out in less than 48hrs – which in too many cases isn’t happening.

    There’s your problem Stu – any annoyance and frustration should be directed that way imo.

    They stood at their podium and told us we’d have a WORLD CLASS system – yeah right!!.

    Fills you with confidence for Brexit too doesnt it.

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  44. Sharpy17:
    Wow I massively over credited the government with the track n trace.I said earlier around 70% – it’s been said today it’s actually less that 60%.

    They also said that it’s most effective when the infection rate is down (state the bleeding obvious), and for it to be most effective, they need the test to be resulted and rolled out in less than 48hrs – which in too many cases isn’t happening.

    There’s your problem Stu – any annoyance and frustration should be directed that way imo.

    They stood at their podium and told us we’d have a WORLD CLASS system – yeah right!!.

    Fills you with confidence for Brexit too doesnt it.

    Doesn’t it just .

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  45. Sharpy17: Kim – I understand Stus frustration as well, because all of us just want to get back to normal life.It is sh!t for all – but I don’t like this idea of leave the vuln & elderly to it while we all get on with it.If you’re going to die, well we all will at some point .

    We are all in this together and have to stay together.We should be holding the government to greater account and turning on those selfishly breaking very simple rules, rather than the vuln and elderly.

    You are dead right.The trace and trace should have been about the nation benefitting from its setting up, not the fat cats and their mates.

    As I say, there are examples of other Countries getting it right, so the argument that this is unprecedented and they are learning as they go doesn’t stand up when they have successful models to follow from other Countries.
    The government don’t even hold their own to account or punish those breaking rules from their own parties – so we can be to surprised now can we?!.

    Sharpy – track and trace will
    Never work if the public don’t adhere to it. There’s so many examples of people not doing it right because of the negative impact it would have on them, their mates/family or boss. The government can only lead people to water, they can’t make them drink. Interestingly most Western countries are having big issues with their track and trace not just us. It won’t ever work unless people are honest and there aren’t so many of them unfortunately.

    Lockdowns delay the inevitable. We have to accept that this virus will kill people and they are from a certain demographic of the population so in theory it should be easier to profile and target the attempts at controlling it. But we are going to have to live with it and whether you like it or not, the economy just cannot continue in this vain. It’s impossible so as I said previously, we are coming to a point where we have to accept people will die from Covid just like cancer, heart disease and strokes and get on with our lives. No other way.

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  46. I see covid has affected everything including this site . . . enough of bloody covid!

    We’re now stuck with a useless manager AGAIN. This cycle of Ashleys is dreadful. We now have much better players but Bruce just cannot manage it beyond abject surrender. Even he must be able to see Joe is not and never will be a PL player yet he plays him every game ahead of Miggy and Fraser. Mystifying.
    Just walk away Ashley. Forget about NUFC and just count the money.

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  47. Stuart79: Sharpy – track and trace will
    Never work if the public don’t adhere to it. There’s so many examples of people not doing it right because of the negative impact it would have on them, their mates/family or boss. The government can only lead people to water, they can’t make them drink. Interestingly most Western countries are having big issues with their track and trace not just us. It won’t ever work unless people are honest and there aren’t so many of them unfortunately.

    Lockdowns delay the inevitable. We have to accept that this virus will kill people and they are from a certain demographic of the population so in theory it should be easier to profile and target the attempts at controlling it. But we are going to have to live with it and whether you like it or not, the economy just cannot continue in this vain. It’s impossible so as I said previously, we are coming to a point where we have to accept people will die from Covid just like cancer, heart disease and strokes and get on with our lives. No other way.

    Stu – are you seriously suggesting that track & trace isn’t working only because the public aren’t using it right?.
    The government have got nothing wrong on this?

    I think everyone has accepted that people will die from COVID – largely because people have and still are dying from it.
    Even with a vaccine, or whatever the conclusion of all this might be – people will continue to die from COVID, much like they do from the flu still now.

    The lockdown and continued precautions were never about nobody dying of this – it was minimising the deaths but more so trying to keep the number of hospitals admissions down so the NHS could cope.

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  48. No, Sharpy I’m not saying the government have done nothing wrong. Well, apart from the draconian measures they’re forcing amongst the once free people of the UK that is.

    Regards track and trace, I’m saying it will never be as good as people want if it relays on the public. It’s not just track and trace where the public might be partially responsible for it not being successful. Let’s look at what we’re being asked to do to reduce the cases; 1) Wash our hands 2) Socially distance 3) Since we’ve been asked to do all that the cases have been going sky high. Why is that? It can only be one of two reasons; Either the advice doesn’t work or; The public aren’t complying. Which one do you think it is?

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  49. Well if people aren’t adhering to the track and trace rules because of what ever implications then they can’t moan when tougher restrictions are put in place can they.

    The student situation perplexes me , they tell them to all return then most are shut away in their rooms learning on line. They may as well of stayed at home and studied on line, they are not getting to socialize with other students or their tutors so what’s the point ?
    All that’s happened is wide spreading of the virus from when they first arrived, pointless.
    School is different, kids need to learn and socialize and parents need to be able to work so the risk had to be taken.

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  50. Georgio, do you think Steves under instruction to select Joe because Jabba laid out so much dosh ?
    Miggy is getting restless by all accounts at being left on the bench .

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  51. Stuart79:
    No, Sharpy I’m not saying the government have done nothing wrong. Well, apart from the draconian measures they’re forcing amongst the once free people of the UK that is.

    Regards track and trace, I’m saying it will never be as good as people want if it relays on the public. It’s not just track and trace where the public might be partially responsible for it not being successful. Let’s look at what we’re being asked to do to reduce the cases; 1) Wash our hands 2) Socially distance 3) Since we’ve been asked to do all that the cases have been going sky high. Why is that? It can only be one of two reasons; Either the advice doesn’t work or; The public aren’t complying. Which one do you think it is?

    Stu – the cases rocketed when the government decided to send people back onto public transport and told them not to bother with masks – then realised that was stupid and enforced it. The cases rocketed when they decided to send students back to halls of residence, knowing they would never step foot into a lecture hall or classroom.

    The public aren’t at fault for sending out results to tests never taken, or for people who have been tested and never received results. They aren’t at fault for loosing 1600 records and they aren’t at fault for the latest c0ck up where those on the lowest income and benefits can’t get access to the financial support – because the app supported by the government has told them to self isolate.

    There are people who are being d!ckheads and not following the simple rules – you just have to look at Lpool city centre the other week for that.

    But the government is mostly to blame for the situation we find ourselves in mate, whether you want to accept it or not. They are making bad decisions & have regularly broken their own rules – which only fuels the frustration.

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  52. kimtoon:
    Well if people aren’t adhering to the track and trace rules because of what ever implications then they can’t moan when tougher restrictions are put in place can they.

    The student situation perplexes me , they tell them to all return then most are shut away in their rooms learning on line. They may as well of stayed at home and studied on line, they are not getting to socialize with other students or their tutors so what’s the point ?
    All that’s happened is wide spreading of the virus from when they first arrived, pointless.
    School is different, kids need to learn and socialize and parents need to be able to work so the risk had to be taken.

    Kim – let me help with that – money.

    The students won’t be charged as much if they stayed at home. Universities wouldnt be able to charge rent for the digs these poor students are locked up in.

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  53. Kim – that’s the way it is it seems. Even Bruce must be able to see the lads’s useless. Even on a free there’d be no takers.

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  54. Kim – it’s also the reason we got one of many U-turns from the education minister when he decided to reduce the number of students – the Unis got in touch and said they needed their money so round he went.

    If fact what he should have been doing was looking at ways of reducing the fees to INCREASE the number of students on a course. Our youngsters face years of uncertainty & lack of jobs while the country gets back on its feet – why not get that generation into higher education and give them a chance.

    If it’s done via teams, why couldn’t you add more to the course. The days when they can eventually go in, split the class so half in at a time – it’s not like they are in lectures Mon-Fri 9-5 is it?!.

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