It wasn’t easy on the eyes on was a frustrating watch in the main, but a brilliant late free-kick from Jacob Murphy rescued us a point in a disjointed yet much improved defensive display for Steve Bruce’s Mags.
Many Newcastle fans stared at the team-sheet before this afternoon’s clash v Wolves at Molineux with very wide-open eyes. Not only were both Ryan Fraser and Miguel Almiron in the starting line-up but a certain Jacob Murphy also came in from the cold – coming in at right wing-back!
Some of it was forced upon Manager Steve Bruce with Jonjo Shelvey out injured and Isaac Hayden not fully fit, But the choice of Murphy was one that was the biggest gamble and one that could well have backfired.
However, the former Norwich City player came up trumps for Bruce with a Man of the Match performance and a superb free-kick equaliser with barely two minutes left on the clock after Raul Jimenez had fired the home side in on 80 minutes.
Was it a point Newcastle deserved? It matters little what the answer to that question is, the fact that they got one was a point taken off a side that always threatened to take the win and are one of the best organised sides in the division.
The problem for United though is that the formation may have been more attacking but the performance was very much one that once again saw them on the back foot for much of the game conceding possession and giving their opponents lots of space.
However perhaps the telling factor was that the vast majority of that space was well away from Karl Darlow’s goal and Wolves goal attempts were always seemingly from distance. When they did get in the box there always seemed to be a Newcastle body in the way blocking the home side’s path to goal.
In truth it wasn’t pretty once again from Newcastle but it was slightly more effective and there’s no doubt that many of those selected putting in a shift that got them a share of the spoils.
Some very solid performances across the back “five” and from Darlow again – although he will be frustrated he didn’t get a strong enough hand to Jimenez’s opener:
Murphy though was the pick and played as well as anyone has in recent times in the right wing-back role. His defending was in the main solid enough, he got forward and created some of our best moments and he definitely fancied the free kick.
Newcastle’s formation looked strange and certainly felt strange and disjointed in the first 15 minutes when Wolves dominated the game. Daniel Podence looking lively and his sharp 20-yard left foot shot saw the first on target effort of the game with Darlow getting down well to parry.
Podence again hit one well over and then Jimenez blazed wide when well placed as Wolves pushed The Magpies back. When Newcastle finally got into the game, they actually created the best chance on 17 minutes.
A superb curled ball down the line from Murphy saw Callum Wilson get the wrong side of Max Kilman and into the box. But Kilman did well to get back goal-side and block Wilson’s effort with the resultant corner coming to nothing.
Halfway through the first half there were signs that Newcastle were getting to grips with the formation and whilst they never looked threatening, they never really looked threatened either. Wolves were spreading the ball wide but every time the ball was crossed in a Newcastle head got the ball clear.
On 38 minutes United had another chance when a breakaway saw Almiron find Allan Saint-Maximin wide on the right but the Frenchman fluffed his lines and a decent opportunity was squandered – a moment that summed up a rare off day for the Frenchman!
Podence was causing problems for us and he turned Murphy brilliantly on the right but once again his dangerous cross was headed away by a Newcastle centre-back, this time Lascelles.
Wolves had undoubtedly had the best of the opening exchanges as we approached half-time without really creating a clear-cut chance whilst at the other end Saint-Maximin showed good skill to wriggle free and get a deflected shot on target that was well held down low by Rui Patricio.
All-square at half-time it was the home side who once again started the brighter. Jimenez fired well wide from range and then on 50 minutes they missed their best chance of the game. Wilson gave the ball away and Podence did well on the left to pull the ball back to Paulo Neto.
But the Portuguese star didn’t compose himself well enough and from 14 yards fired narrowly over the top. After another long range Neto effort was wide Newcastle had a real scare on 55 minutes.
Podence got inside the box and worked a great shooting chance but Fredrico Fernandez threw himself in the way to block brilliantly. VAR had a quick look as the ball did hit his arm but no penalty was the right decision.
Wolves were well on top now but a sporadic United break saw Murphy do well to find Wilson inside the box who laid off to Almiron whose attempt was blocked. It was a brief respite as the home side set-up another couple of long-range efforts that Darlow got down well to save.
Then from a tricky cross from substitute Adam Traore, Jamaal Lascelles got a great header in to deflect the ball away. It fell to Neto who smashed it goalward only for the skipper to make an excellent block.
Then with ten minutes to go the breakthrough came. A Wolves free kick from the left was headed away by Fabian Schar and fell to the edge of the box where Jimenez had pulled away too. His vicious volley flew through a crowd of players and although the unsighted Darlow got a hand to it he couldn’t keep it out.
It seemed as though that was going to be it and another disappointing end to the afternoon from a Newcastle side that worked hard but offered little up front but, Murphy had other ideas. Two minutes from time he became the hero.
A long ball from Schar aimed towards Wilson saw the striker pushed off the ball by England’s Connor Coady. The free-kick was in a dangerous position and with Rui Patricio not setting his wall up well Murphy stepped up and curled the ball around the defenders and into the bottom corner to make it 1 – 1.
Perhaps it wasn’t what Newcastle deserved but they’ll take it and there’s no doubt that the man Bruce trusted to play a part in Jacob Murphy was definitely the man that saved his bacon with the late strike!
My marks out of 10: Darlow – 7, MURPHY 8, Lascelles 7, Schar 6, Fernandez 7, Lewis 7, Hendrick 6, Fraser 5, Almiron 6, Saint-Maximin 5, Wilson 6. SLongstaff 5 Joelinton 5, Carroll 5.
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Stu – i answered you, if you can’t be ar$ed to read it, I certainly can’t be ar$ed to answer it again.
You can maintain your point – it doesn’t make it right. We are better placed after the lockdown than before it – that’s a fact.
I’m all for people standing on their own feet and fending for themselves. I agreed with you when people were suggesting this Country restricts opportunities for people – I don’t believe that. But I do believe that some people struggle more than others, and don’t believe that those who are poor are lay about or happy to live on benefits – some are, but certainly not all.
I will always have a problem with a society where people who run the Country get meal vouchers and the poorest don’t – we should all have issue with that.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Does anybody have an answer for this COVID stuff? It all seems incredibly complicated to me and it makes mugs of scientists and politicians alike. What I hate though is people like Trump treating us like idiots. And Cummings doing the same in the UK.
There seems to be a consensus now after dealing with this nightmare for 8 months that MASKS CAN HELP. I have seen the figures that the risk of transmission from an infected person without a mask is about 17% and with about 3%. That seems pretty simple, and easy, and the scientists have had a while to get a handle on this so they might be getting it right which they obviously failed to do when it first appeared. And yet Trump and Co still fail to do this simple thing sending out exactly the wrong optics.
Vaccines? Trump acts like it is around the corner. Even his own people say it will be 6 months before they are widely available. SO MUCH MISINFORMATION put out by the Angry Orange desperate to stay in power so his corruption will not be investigated.
Social Distancing. Yes, there is fatigue at not seeing friends and loved ones but it seems that this does help. As does meeting up outside.
I am not one to talk or criticise anyone as I have been on 4 planes and in 5 hotels in the past couple of weeks. I did social distance and wear a mask though.
I question people like Stuart who seems to think there are easy answers. But I despise people like Trump who spread lies.
I have to admit I do not have any answers. I have booked a trip to the Florida Keys in january because I need an escape from all of the negativity (Election fatigue as much as Pandemic fatigue). Am I worried I might get COVID? Yes. But I might also get it at the supermarket. Is my attitude cavalier and stupid? I dont know, I just dont know anymore.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Kim – I had you down as brighter… Look at who’s writing the stuff you’ve posted… Do you think there’s any conflict of interest here.?
A bit like the guy writing the article you asked me to read then Stu. I’ve seen his stuff before and remember when he was suggesting people riot over brexit on politics live.
At least the articles i put up had evidence led facts in them not just opinion of a nut job.
Still at least you once thought i was bright 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
I will always have a problem with a society where people who run the Country get meal vouchers and the poorest don’t – we should all have issue with that.
Exactly Sharpy .
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric – of course it’s not mate, you aren’t going against advice or breaking rules. Providing you are doing your bit to stop the spread you are right to go about your life as best you can mate.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Eric – I don’t think it’s easy. I just happen to think in ten years time millions of more people will be dead because of the actions taken by governments around the world.
Sharpy – The lockdown achieved two things; 1) Delayed Covid deaths by a few months 2) Condemned millions to a life of misery and early deaths (which isn’t what Covid does, given the average age of victims is 82).
There’s also pretty thin evidence to suggest lockdown reduced deaths. Give most people accept we’d reached peak before we even lockdown last time…
Stuart79(Quote)
Bit of balance to. I’m almost sure someone told me this afternoon that the government increased universal credit payments at the start of the lockdown. That really should make up any shortfall on children’s food.
These parent should also ready a book by Jack Monroe. The books has loads of recipes for feeding your children on a fiver.
Stuart79(Quote)
So cases have dropped by 2,000 from Wednesday last week to Wednesday this week. Good news. Maybe the governments balance is the right course and not mass hysterical full lockdowns… Fingers crossed
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – the deaths were inevitable sadly coz the virus was already here & lockdown should have happened earlier. But the purpose of the lockdown was to slow the spread so things like PPE & Nightingale hospitals could be put in place.
You talk as though it’s worlds end. People will get kicked out of their homes, the economy will stop. Whilst at the same time saying the virus isn’t that bad – the 2 sides of your argument just don’t add up.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu – agreed mate, I’ve said a few times now it needs better management not necessarily more money. It’s the old comic relief thing – give a man a fish …
Why don’t they run free cookery courses & free financial management courses?!.
Why not go one better and make them mandatory course in all secondary schools across the land?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stuart, mate. I should probably step back from this argument and get back to talking about things that I actually know about – Pickford, that Rooney had lost it at 26, that Jack Grealish runs into players’ legs on purpose to get a foul and that Jack Wheelchair was always overrated by the Southern press but they still backed him even after it was obvious he was a crock (of ****).
I have listened to all of the arguments on Corona Virus and am no further forward. It doesnt help that the Angry Orange Idiot has the most to say and that he openly encourages his supporters to go against what seems to be accepted science and medical practice now.
Yeah I know, once the world was said to be flat and the sun revolved around the earth, but we have moved on from that sort of thinking. UNTIL TRUMP.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Genuine question – I wonder how much that has to do with half term and the kids being off?!.
I know we probably won’t know, but it’s the biggest difference between this Wednesday and last Wednesday isn’t it.
Sharpy17(Quote)
A strict lockdown worked for Melbourne.
Just on this stuff about paying for things later through taxes, etc. That is pure neoliberal guff. Austerity is not in any way necessary at any time for the UK. It is all ideological policymaking, it is not an economic necessity.
Taxes don’t fund government spending, so there is no restrictions there on what the government can spend. The limit of spending is about available resources – people, land, factories, offices, etc, etc. You have a fiat currency. It is a sovereign currency. There is no issue in the UK about money, despite what they tell you. (Cue the uninformed to go on about Wiemar, Zimbabwe, Venez… ho hum)
A bit of modern economic analysis exposes a lot of the sins of government.
And just for good measure, your government, like ours in Oz, is the most corrupt government we’ve seen, possibly ever in our case; you guys may have had worse a few hundred years ago.
The corruption in the FA is a reflection of the greater society. Just about every institution you care to look at is doing something similar. Those with some power try to drive even more power to themselves or give a handout to their mates. Our economies have been doing it that way for at least 20 years.
Brisvegas(Quote)
There is a second national lockdown in France beginning tomorrow.
The US Govt has just gone home until after the election without raising a finger to hel people who are suffering because they have lost their income and there are no jobs to get. This is why we pay taxes, to help when things are bad. I understand some of what Stewey says about people taking care of themselves but sometimes events take over like in the 2nd WW or now with a pandemic. This is where the system should be set up to HELP. It is not a bail out or charity. It is a function of a progressive and progressing society that helps all of its citizens and not just a few of them with tax breaks.
It should not be just survival of the fittest when there is so much to go around in a country like the UK or the US. It is not D!ckensian London. We should, and could, have moved on from that.
I am not a socialist but I am a Keynesian where when times get bad it is incumbent on the government to step in for the greater good and for the people.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
BrisV: you have it lucky. Corrupt and inept is one thing, a Mad Man running the country is another thing entirely. Trump is crazy and still about 45% of the people support him.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
The Brits voted for a mad man to become their PM not long ago. It’s unbelievable that so many people vote against their best interests and then complain about how awful it all is.
It would help if the UK and the USA did something about their undemocratic voting system.
Brisvegas(Quote)
https://www.universalpersonality.com/burnley-set-for-blockbuster-200m-takeover-as-new-owner-ban-is-overturned-on-appeal/
kimtoon(Quote)
BrisV: If you read anything I have said (probably not 🙂 ) you will see I believe the US system is totally undemocratic. I have said this before but 400k people in Montana have the same say on senate choices as 34 million in California. The electoral college is almost as insane meaning that only 6 states mean anything.
There are finally being some questions asked about the fairness or, indeed, the democratic principles of the whole process.
This was all set up in 1787. The US constitution is an incredible document but there have been 27 amendments so we all know it was not perfect.
It was drafted when there was still slavery. There wasnt even a steam engine or aeroplane and people over here act like it is inviolate. It is obviously not, there have been 27 amendments and some of this stuff is just dumb protected by old white men.
Living through this election has been a nightmare that has gone on for more than 2 years. Made much worse by having the Angry Orange Man-Baby on TV every day spouting shyte. Just unbelievable shyte. You probably only see about a 1,000th of what this mad man says on coverage in Aus.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
The purpose of lockdown was to protect the NHS. The government logo literally said it. It was also said we’d have to live with it. Fair enough. But now SAGE are saying the second wave won’t be as severe but will be last longer. So the NHS won’t be overwhelmed and yet they still want a lockdown. They keep changing their objectives. It doesn’t make any sense.
My arguments add up perfectly. I believe the “cure” will be worse than the virus. Why doesn’t that add up?
A new study found that up to 50,000 cases of cancer went undiagnosed during this. Why are their lives worth less than COVID lives? Harsh but many of those will probably be young and middle aged people while COVID overwhelmingly kills the old, ill and people who were going to die shortly.
Stuart79(Quote)
Believe it or not I agree and I think the government have done the correct thing throwing the money about like confetti once they’d made the decision to lockdown. It was the level of lockdown I disagreed with. But I don’t agree with government going into the minutiae of every part of family life. In the last 6 months the government have increased universal credits, paid everybody’s wages, paid business’ grants and paid self employed people free money. Now they’re being bullied and shamed into paying for children’s meals? Why? What has actually changed for these parents since March? They were either working and have been getting paid whilst not being able to spend their money or they were on benefits which have been increased and not be able to spend their money.
It can be argued that the only people who haven’t seen their circumstances worsen have been the poor who were on benefits before the pandemic.
Dig into it and it doesn’t actually make any sense what people are asking the government to do.
Stuart79(Quote)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8890777/If-lockdown-drug-wouldnt-approved-writes-Professor-ANGUS-DALGLEISH.html
Stuart79(Quote)
It wasn’t long ago we were told the Aussies voted in a homophobic, racist misogynistic idiot in Tony Abbot. The good old virtuous Aussies… ???
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – they’ve changed their minds throughout the bl00dy lot!!. That’s what Kim and I have been so frustrated with and you defended their right all the way through.
I don’t believe for a second they WANT another lockdown – that’s why they are doing regional restrictions – but they need to do it coz they hadn’t got their **** together quick enough during the lockdown.
I disagree with your point to Eric, they weren’t right to throw money at it. There should have been a plan. They should have been on top of it and had things in place – but instead they were more interested in shaking hands with COVID patients, catching the virus themselves & driving round the bl00dy country.
Where’s Dominic Raab nowadays?. He was never off the TV at one stage, he’s disappeared now.
They spent more time telling us what they were going to do & what we should be doing, they didn’t actually get on and do what was needed.
Telling the nation they are flying out to Turkey for millions of pounds of PPE – military planes on TV grounded coz they’d c0cked the flight plans up, then get it back to Britain only to find it’s no bl00dy good. C0cky smug Matt Hanc0ck wasn’t so ‘we’ve got this’ then.
Too busy telling us about world class track and trace they didn’t get round to making it world class. Clearly the Eton way is recognition on theory before practice.
Sharpy17(Quote)
RIP Bobby Ball another one lost to covid 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
The so called experts are the ones who are leading the government, Sharpy. They’re the ones who are calling the tune. My criticism of the government is they’re listening to them and not following their own instincts on other surrounding issues which lead from SAGE’s decisions.
Bobby Ball… Cannon and Ball were my comedy heroes growing up. A real shame. But he was 76 and had underlying health issues. Another victim who could be easily profiled. Fit the bill perfectly.
Stuart79(Quote)
You know who Trump had on stage stumping for him yesterday – Nigel Ferage. How did he even get into this country, I thought planes were grounded? Wholly appropriate that Britian’s professional liar is defending the Liar in Chief.
The path of COVID in the UK and US is stunningly similar. It says to me that both countries are run by incompetents. They both have been denying science and put on their leader’s crony surrogates to explain how great thing are and who are now eerily silent.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
How about some football talk?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
How will we set up against Everton? I have watched a few of their games and they have not been as good as the pundits have made them out to be. They are decent but they are not world beaters. I worry about Calvert-Lewin but they have some holes in their squad.
I think Bruce will set up in a similar way to Wolves even though that was a near disaster and the players didnt seem to know their roles. We might see Hayden in for Hendrick if he is fit but that is likely to be the extent of the changes.
Again, Everton are not as good as advertised. I think the pundits want a narrative that there will be a Merseyside battle and are bigging up the blue bindippers. I watched the Spurs game where everybody said they outplayed Spurs. That was Mourinnho doing one of his mindgames and saying Spurs were ****. I have no idea what Jose’s motives were but Everton really werent THAT good in that game.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stu – and didn’t they make sure we knew that in the very beginning. Handy really when it comes to being able to pass the buck.
It works well for a government who don’t like accountability. If we don’t know who’s truly at fault then they’ll be nobody gets the sack ??♂️??.
Just out of interest, what’s the cut off age that’s not acceptable for COVID?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Don’t know, Sharpy. Same as what’s the cut off for cancer or heart disease? But you miss my point – maybe purposely. I don’t want anybody to die but we don’t live in a perfect world. People die. The fact is we can profile who this virus targets. That should make it easier to save lives. Why can’t you grasp that? What ruin millions of lives when these lives aren’t at risk when we can shield those at risk?
Why don’t the government ban all cigarettes, alcohol and junk food? After all that’s responsible for 80% of all cancer and heart disease deaths.
Stuart79(Quote)
Eric – football is utterly boring.
Stuart79(Quote)
Anyway I’m still not getting any answers on why even now when SAGE tell us the deaths will be less weekly but will go on longer we still need a lockdown when it’s absolutely clear if that’s true the NHS won’t be pushed to the limit…
Is it about saving the NHS, living with the virus or trying to eradicate it? Which one is it Patrick Vallance and Chris Witty?
Stuart79(Quote)
50,000 undiagnosed cancer cases since COVID. Still staggered nobody has even commented on this.
Stuart79(Quote)
From the get go they said we are ‘ guided by the science ‘, i said then that that was their get out of jail card.
They knew they were ill prepared and needed a scape goat. That science they like to mention so often had been warning of an impending pandemic since it ran models in oxford, i watched the tv programme about it back in sept 2018. Of course it was based on a flu of unknown strain and estimated 50 million deaths. It could yet still happen at any time and this shower wouldn’t have a clue what to do despite fair warning of it .
kimtoon(Quote)
Stuart mate, it is a football site though 🙂
I still think Everton are not as good as they are made out to be but fear Ancelotti coming up against Bruce. A 3 time Champions League winner against a manager who has won f-all.
We cannot possibly be as bad as we were against Wolves so I am going to be contradictory and say we will get a draw. We do not have bad players at all. Just do not set us up to defend for the whole fcn game Brucie. Even when he says we will be on the front foot we revert to 9-0-1 as soon as we are pressed.
If we play for a bloody draw again I might stop watching NUFC.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
A lot of banter about covid on here.
Anybody who thinks the UK are not coping well with the virus should watch Euronews occasionally and in comparison to European Countries we are doing a lot better.
Belgium is now so bad that nurses who have tested positive for covid are not sent home to isolate but have to continue working in their hospital.
I am with Stuart on lockdown , if people are careful and follow the Govt rules on masks, washing and distance then most people can carry on with a near normal life.
I go out most days , I will be 73 next month and I have heart disease – I am not at all frightened because I look after myself .
When the virus first started, one of my sons grew a kombucha scoby for me and I make up a few litres with sweetened tea and drink half a cup of the stuff every day . It is live bacteria and is supposed to keep my immune system in top condition . It is not a nice drink but I have not been able to catch a cold since I started drinking this so I am hopeful I wont be able to catch covid either.
Having said that , If I don’t post again for a few weeks you can assume I caught it. 😆
Sidekick(Quote)
Sidekick, that’s really interesting about you not catching colds since you started that drink. I have a theory of my own though. As you may know my lad often goes to hospital with upper resp track infections and chronic sinusitis , this year he’s been the healthiest ever since lockdown ! unheard of since he was about 18 or 19. I believe it’s because at his day center they now work in small pod groups and are wearing ppe and being extra clean. When he first started his day center they were a very small concern of around 12 service users and around 15 staff. Over the years they have gotten much bigger and moved to a bigger premises which has air con. There are around 34 service users and 50 staff due to many needing 2-1 care.
As they have increased in personal so has my sons infections over the years and it’s funny how now they are working in small pods he’s fairing much better.
I agree with you that being clean, keeping our distance and all of us wearing masks is helping somewhat but it needs everyone to comply and sadly it’s not happening which is why i think like France and Germany we may go back into lockdown.
Lewis is off to respite on monday, my first break since january, because it’s in a private home it had to be stopped and even when lockdown ended they couldn’t resume until risk assessments were carried out to Bristol City Councils standards which took a further 12 weeks !
His respite carers got no pay during all that time because they are a not for profit service ! it also ruled them out of self employed government help, they have been living on savings. Couldn’t get universal credit as they foster a lad long term and get paid for that.
These are the sort of loop holes that many people have fallen through sadly and why for many
extra help is required. They did get the mortgage holiday though.
If we enter lockdown again they say they may have to jack in the respite care and try for regular jobs in the care sector.
All the while Bristol city council are saving a fortune not paying out money to these people and all the day centers they run whilst in lockdown.
kimtoon(Quote)
I said on here months ago that the cure might be worse than the disease because of the economic impact of lock downs. I see this happening again and it is clear that politicians and even doctors do not have a complete plan.
What is different about the US to ALL other countries is that you do not have a leader who is treating this like a joke. Who mocks people for wearing masks and holds rallies with thousands of people where he actively discourages social distancing and mask wearing. He is a clown and will go down as the worst president in the history of the USA.
I dont know if I agree with what the French, Germans and even Boris is doing. I do know they are taking this seriously though which is the opposite to the Orange Man-Baby. I dont think I have ever hated anybody in my life but may make an exception for him. He is a disaster and a danger to all of the world.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Kim the guy who’s model the government used Mr Neil Ferguson:
1) In 2005, Ferguson said that up to 200 million people could be killed from bird flu. He told the Guardian that ‘around 40 million people died in 1918 Spanish flu outbreak… There are six times more people on the planet now so you could scale it up to around 200 million people probably.’ In the end, only 282 people died worldwide from the disease between 2003 and 2009.
How did he get this forecast so wrong?
2) In 2009, Ferguson and his Imperial team predicted that swine flu had a case fatality rate 0.3 per cent to 1.5 per cent. His most likely estimate was that the mortality rate was 0.4 per cent. A government estimate, based on Ferguson’s advice, said a ‘reasonable worst-case scenario’ was that the disease would lead to 65,000 UK deaths.
In the end swine flu killed 457 people in the UK and had a death rate of just 0.026 per cent in those infected.
How did he get it so wrong?
3) In 2002, Ferguson predicted that between 50 and 50,000 people would likely die from exposure to BSE (mad cow disease) in beef. He also predicted that number could rise to 150,000 if there was a sheep epidemic as well. In the UK, there have only been 177 deaths from BSE.
How did he get it so wrong?
4) In 2001 Neil Ferguson produced modelling on foot and mouth disease that suggested that animals in neighbouring farms should be culled, even if there was no evidence of infection. This influenced government policy and led to the total culling of more than six million cattle, sheep and pigs – with a cost to the UK economy estimated at £10 billion.
It has been proved by experts such as Michael Thrusfield, professor of veterinary epidemiology at Edinburgh University, that Ferguson’s modelling on foot and mouth was ‘severely flawed’ and made a ‘serious error’ by ‘ignoring the species composition of farms,’ and the fact that the disease spread faster between different species.
Different question: How is he allowed to influence government when almost every single model he has been responsible for has been so grossly wrong?
Stuart79(Quote)
As sidekick has already said, it’s not like the rest of the world are basking in the glory of successfully controlling it and poor old UK are being crushed by it all is it, Kim…
Stuart79(Quote)
I think we actually have the personnel to play a wing back system (like Liverpool), I am just not sure if Bruce can coach it. Murphy and Lewis are definitely attack minded and Schar can slot in as the 3rd centre back who is also a sort of midfielder. It could work like Liverpool but you cannot then play 2 defensive mids. You also cannot just sit on your own 18 yard line with the bank of 5 and then another bank of 4 just 6 yards up the pitch. We have all seen it. We know how we play but it is up to Bruce to get us further up the field and I just dont think he has the smarts and ability to coach it.
It is so annoying!!!
I can see we have some very talented players but they are being misused.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stu, Sir Liam Donaldson was the chief medical officer at the time of the swine flu outbreak. It was him advising the government not Ferguson though they would of looked at his teams models for sure i agree.
I really don’t get your point here to be honest, Fergusons team obviously over estimated the impact of swine flu’s death rate but only because most of the elderly population had previously been exposed to it decades earlier. Had they not it would of been much higher. It was a VERY infectious flu to the young up to 65 but luckily not older ages. Lewis and i both got it in the second wave of december 2009, Lewis temp hit 40 and he went into status and spent 10 days in hospital in his own room, there was 3 big wards full of swine flu patients in the BRI at that point.
I have no doubt having had it, that it would of killed many thousands if it effected the elderly like it did the young, it was horrendous and the constant cough completely zapped your energy. Lewis was incredibly lucky to survive it, antivirals and expert medical care saved his life i’m certain of that. I had hong kong flu too as a kid and swine flu was far worse to suffer imo.
I guess my point is that it’s better for government advisors in a medical capacity to err on the side of caution than ignore the possibility that this may be the big one.
Not being prepared for the worst costs lives at the end of the day , our lack of PPE for our NHS staff showed us that much.
As for BSE, because we took action to cull cattle we’ll never know what the true death rate could of been, i do know my cousin Joanie died of it though, and a horrible death it was too. She was 49 .
By the way Stu, if you think it was only on the word of Neil Ferguson and his team that the government acted then you are less smart than i took you for. There are many teams of medical advisors giving input to the government regarding covid.
Try reading these two articles for some balance.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21194090
https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/198773/neil-ferguson-scientific-advice-lockdown-countering/
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric, unless T.rex has another mare i do not see us beating a very good Everton side.
kimtoon(Quote)
Another interesting read on the reasons for overreacting to swine flu
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/how-far-did-the-uk-government-over-respond-to-the-2009-threat-of-swine-flu/
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – it was Ferguson and his teams modelling that the government used. It’s in the official minutes from the SAGE meeting. Feel free to think they’re lies.
And my point is the guys modelling has got it wrong on every occasion. Why are we believing him this time?
Stuart79(Quote)
Something that I have always wondered since this started. Every country in the world could have eradicated this totally. All they needed to do was lockdown countries for one whole year. That would have stopped it in its tracks.
Anyone know why no country has done this? Would have eradicated forever.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – I think you miss my point. Let me make it clear. I don’t want us to get to a point where we are facing another lockdown (though with France & Germany going that way I think it’s on the cards). If we do it’s because they have not utilised that break in spread from the first lockdown.
Along with my elderly relatives, I have a 12yr old son – do you really think I’m happy with the amount of schooling he’s missed this year, or the state the Country will be in when he comes to employment age.
One of the advisers for the lockdown was Cummings – it’s outrageous he’s still in a job!!. But there’s the government we find ourselves with.
On the other side. Labour get the results of their investigation & the former leader claims the media blew it out of proportion – it’s ok though, he’s been suspended … do none of these f@ckers get sacked???
Sharpy17(Quote)
Perhaps because it’s not just his team they are guided by like i said.
Did you read the links ?
kimtoon(Quote)
Oh and he’s no longer advising he resigned a while back , who should we blame now ?
kimtoon(Quote)
You’ve just made the point I made yesterday which you disputed. The previous lockdowns haven’t achieved anything. Nobody in the world (who we can believe) used their time wisely when they lockdown. Maybe that’s because it’s pretty hard to? This track and trace can’t be so easy as every country in the world would have it working by now. The Germans have just announced that up to 75% of contacts aren’t getting contacted, the French have had to start again and the Spanish version is useless and not working…
Lockdown again for 3 months. Guaranteed in 6 months time we’d be right back here again. For what and at what cost?
Anyway, why hasn’t the world just locked everything and everyone down for one year? That solves the problem forever.
Stuart79(Quote)
He’s already done the damage, Kim. It’s his modelling that led to the lock down.
We are now left with Patrick Vallance and Chris Witty. Although to be honest given their predictions last month (don’t laugh), we’d be better off with Holly Vallance and Half witty.
Stuart79(Quote)
Personally I’d like to see the government announce the cost of the lockdowns every two weeks. How many people have lost their jobs, how many business bankruptcies, how many evictions, how many deaths due to delays, how many new mental health deaths, how many attempted suicides, how many missed diagnoses’ and how much it’s costing the exchequer from week to week. That might focus minds.
Stuart79(Quote)
A very quick footy aside – just watched Spurs get beat 1-0 by Royal Antwerp – I remember us beating them 10-2 on agg back in 1994 ?☹️
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kimtoon: Everton will be without a few important and James Rodriguez is a doubt. Pickford has lost it. You cannot just keep picking him for his overrated kicking a lot of which find touch or go to the opposition. He has a bit of Shelvet-itis where he will go hollywood too often.
I have us to scrape a draw but I dont know where that confidence comes from. I am hoping Bruce will listen to some of the criticism and set us up to attack a bit. I dont really care what the formation is as long as the players understand their roles and that our attackers attack.
I am also sort of OK with Miggy or St Max tracking back but that shouldnt be their main role. We need to give the opposition something to think about or else we will be pinned back again.
I know I am repeating myself.
What do Bruce’s coaches do? The other 2 Steves. It seems like we are often out-thought by the opposition. Even Ole Gunner Solsjkaer.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stu – I don’t doubt it’s been difficult, which is why despite the impact it will have, I had no problem with the lockdown – better to be cautious with the unknown.
It will be for the Germans & French to hold their leaders to account – but at least their leaders have had the humility to publicly admit they have got things wrong – unlike our lot – even when Cummings faced the media he didn’t have the decency to admit he did wrong.
But that aside, I think our lot have made a lot of mistakes – and while I’m prepared to accept that it’s been difficult, I think they should also be held to account for those mistakes.
I think track & trace has been a disaster. I think the delay in wearing face masks cost us & I think sending students back are 3 in particular – oh and buying PPE off Del Boy as well.
Sharpy17(Quote)
So everything this government has done wrong is Fergusons fault, even though every other country locked down as well once they saw the rate of infection, aye ok .
Bristol now close to tier 2 apparently, if it happens before monday that’ll be me 3 night repite cancelled. 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
Oh dear, typical knee **** reaction.
But yes, too right! Australian voters are as clueless as any others. We also elect idiots who have no other agenda than making sure they feather their own nests and make sure the lords of the manor stay in power. Just like you guys we get sucked into voting against our interests. But we do have a much better voting system. Still not properly representative, but a bit better than first-past-the-post or the truly bizarre Electoral College.
The main problem democracy has all around the world is that it has been hijacked by money. The root of all evil, they say. We’re seeing just how true that saying is, and we see it in every aspect of life.
Brisvegas(Quote)
Unfortunately, Bris, money makes the world go around and without it nobody would have anything…
Although there’s a lot to be said for dictatorships these days. They get things done that’s for sure…
Stuart79(Quote)
Ferguson’s modelling did the original damage, Kim. How many times should I type it? All these countries that lockdown – achieved what and at what cost?
Anyway, any chance of answering my question? Why hasn’t the world just lockdown for one year to eradicate it totally?
Stuart79(Quote)
More Trump 🙂 you guys should watch one of his speeches to see how truly dangerous this man is. They are a rambling, incoherent, deranged bunch of nonsense interspersed with hatred and a call for Americans to attack each other.
Americans love to call the president the “leader of the free world”. You lot didnt elect him! I think this is the height of arrogance. He is the leader of the most powerful country on earth, and who is to say who is free? They incarcerate 3 times the number of blacks as whites and allow gun toting morons to wander the streets and state houses with impunity. Sometimes with police approval.
There’s something happening here, what it is aint exactly clear. There’s a man with a gun over there telling me I got to beware.
There is a difference between now and 1966 and this new mayhem. It is not just the police who intimidate, it is militia, a lot of whom are white supremacists with the guns. And they are AK47s that they carry openly in urban areas.
I am quite fearful that this may turn ugly next week, stirred on by Agent Orange who is deliberately working up his supporters in a Hitler-esque manner.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Jawohl, mein Herr.
It’s about time you admitted it.
Brisvegas(Quote)
There is a good stat article in The Mag covering the last 8 games, 2 of which we have won. Here’s a quick overview. Our average possession has been 37% and we have had 17 shots on target in those 8 games. The maths is pretty easy for that show we have had just over 2 shots on target per game. And that includes 2 penalties !
Our eyes are not deceiving us, we are playing shyte football and creating next to nothing. I bet most of the bottom half of the table would swap their forwards for ours and what do we do with them? Does anybody seriously think that Brighton or Sheffield would not want St Max, Miggy and Wilson instead of their current crop (we’ll leave Joelinton out of it 🙂 )? Or Fulham or West Brom?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
It doesnt matter what formation we pick we play the same way. If we do wingbacks they tuck in as extra defenders and sit on the 18 yard line with another 4 of our players 6 yards ahead of them and 1 up front, whether that is Joe or Wilson.
If we play 4 at the back, all that does is move the 2 banks of defenders to a 4 on the 18 yardline with 5 six yards in front of them.
I am hoping that changes against Everton. Our luck cannot hold forever.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
We only had 3 shots on target against West Ham and scored 2. It was 5 against Burnley and we scored 3. I actually quite enjoyed those games but they have been the outliers with Bruce where at times we attacked as a unit and didnt just rely on a hoof or having St Max run at them. We also did a bit of pressing in those games, which was very unusual.
I will ask again, what do the 3 Steves actually do in their coaching for the whole week? You cant just say it is relying on the Rafa system and that the players know how to play that way because more than half the players were not playing for Rafa, they were at other teams or on the bench like Darlow.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I mean, Miggy played like 8 games for Rafa. Remember he arrived at the end of January and then was injured for the last 5 games. Joelinton, Wilson, Hendrick, Murphy (loan), St Max, Lewis, Carroll, Fraser, Krafth, Gayle (loan), were not even here under Rafa.
It is absolute b0llocks to say they know the drill because they worked under Rafa or that we should play the Rafa way now. More than half our first team werent bl00dy here.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Football talk: We will play Everton, let them have all the possession and chances. We will get out of our own half maybe two or three times a half and generally play turgid and boring as fuk Bruceball.
His excuse last season was they we were use to playing defensively after two years of Rafa so he couldn’t change it too quickly. So he didn’t change it so all. 18 months later and were still watching utter drivel. Even with all our attacking players on the pitch at the same time against Wolves we still managed to put in a totally negative display. How is that possible?
Same old same old.
Stuart79(Quote)
I see the French are in the grip of terrorist attacks. The latest was by a Tunisian refugee who got to France on a boat last month… That’s the thanks they get. I’ll be staggered if we haven’t imported one or two of them nut jobs whilst letting every Tom, **** and Abdul into the country on dingy’s recently. In fact the Novotel at Kingston Park is currently closed and housing only asylum seekers (haha), sorry refugees and possibly terrorists. How do we know? What shall we do? ***** foot around, tread on political egg shells and allow the left to keep strangling the debate by calling everyone who’s against it racist?
The world truly has gone mad!
Stuart79(Quote)
That might be just your world Stuart
georgio(Quote)
Looks like Hayden will be back but Lascelles is a doubt. I reckon we might see Clark. So,
Darlow
Murphy Fernandez Schar Clark Lewis
Hayden Hendrick
Fraser Miggy St max
Wilson
What has Manquillo done to p!ss off Bruce. He has actually looked our best player in a few games. I also wouldnt be surprised to see 4 at the back the amount of farting around Bruce and his coaches do. That might give Manquillo or Krafth a start with Clark and Murphy losing out and Sean Longstaff in a 3 man midfield.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Bruce was also saying that he had to change the system against Wolves because we were too open against Man U. No we werent, we played the same old defensive **** and the change was nominal because we had 9 men behind the ball for most of the time in both games. If Wolves could finish we would have been well beat and Man U crushed us when we had to chase the game. It was the same approach though whether it was 5-4-1 or 4-5-1. We had 9 of our players within 30 yards of our goal for most of both games.
Bruce must think the fans dont watch the game because what he describes is not how we play. And I wouldnt describe Wolves as a top team. They are upper mid-table. Same with Everton, although I will wait and see about the Ancelotti factor and Calvert-Lewin seems to have developed into a good striker which they were missing.
I wish we could hire Duncan Ferguson as Assistant Manager and get rid of one of the Steves. Something is not working in training. Will never happen though as we would then have a Manager-in-Waiting if Bruce was sacked.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Even against Burnley for about 20 minutes when they pressed us we reverted back to 9 men behind the ball. It must be drilled into them in training because it happens whenever a team get a bit of confidence and we rely on the hoof or Miggy or St Max to do something special to bring the ball out.
I know I am a broken record but Bruce is living in fantasy land if he thinks we cannot see his “tactics”. He is treating the fans as fools in his pressers and after match conferences. Time for Ryder and crew to tell it like it is and stop coddling Brucie. They are the main mouthpiece for NUFC and NUFC is the only reason anybody reads their paper. The rest of it is just burglaries or pull at your heart strings about people dieing of Covid, cancer or in car crashes.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Bruce deals exclusively in fantasy as if we don’t see the games and the lack of tactics or pass and move. The long hoofs down the field at Wolves was totally embarrasing.
Nice guy Bruce out.
georgio(Quote)
Well there’s no better time to play Everton by the looks of it – James out injured & Colman, Digne & Richarlison all suspended.
That would inspire most managers to give it a real go – I expect the same old Bruce approach though.
I expect 30% possession or less & a smash n grab approach – and we’ll get to take it all in LIVE ON SKY ?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Nobbys no longer dancing ☹️
RIP you 3 lions legend ???
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy: I have no idea why Sky even show us anymore. It is hell for us fans but must be boring for the neutral as well. I find Man City difficult to watch even though there will usually be a few moments of great skill. But the other team just sitting back and defending and City passing it back and forth is boring. THAT IS THE WAY WE SET UP AGAINST ANYBODY IN THE TOP 10. Not just Liverpool and City. Witness the Spurs and Wolves game.
We are totally boring and make slightly better than average teams like Wolves and even Spurs (who have many weaknesses) look like Messi, Iniesta and Xavi vintage Barcelona.
I am telling you this. If I wasnt a NUFC fan of over 40 years standing I wouldnt watch us. I watch in hope that we will break out of this malaise and sometimes there are glimmers like West Ham and Burnley. But mainly it is sit back and hoof and hope to nick a draw. 38 draws would keep you up and that seems Bruce’s thought process and nicking the odd lucky win.
If you want a measure of Steve Bruce then watch the Brighton games. Brighton FFS who took us apart and should have won 6 nil and in the 0-0 last year should have probably had 3.
Bruce acts like we are OK. No we are not! We lost the last 5 games last season and but for unbelievable luck should have 6 points this season. That is beyond relegation form, that is bottom of the table form.
Eric Sykes(Quote)