Hard times and hard lines for Simpson
Young, cheap, with relatively low wages I’d say Simpson has paid back his outlay ten fold in terms of what he has achieved at United (the REAL United, not the fake one from Manchester).
Yet seemingly this isn’t enough for some fans who see fit to castigate him at every opportunity. Now for sure there are better right-backs out there and arguably it’s a position we should have strengthened during the summer, but some of the headlines I’ve read (including this piece from Ed, which has inspired me to write this) are just pure waffle.
I mean is Vurnon Anita REALLY the best right-back at the club? Sure he seemed to play better at right-back when switched there in the absence of Simpson, but is less than one game really enough to be dishing out such lavish praise, especially when the player he has replaced through injury has been nothing short of outstanding since his arrival from Manchester United?
Danny Simpson has been a key component of our resurgence. He helped us out of the Championship, helped us stay in the Premier League and helped us qualify for Europe via a 5th placed league finish. Admittedly he hasn’t done that without mistake but being truthful you’d be hard pushed to find a player who hasn’t put a foot wrong at some point.
As I alluded to earlier, he’s not the best right-back the world has ever seen and I dare say there are better players out there, but he has rarely let us down when called upon and has been vital for us these past three seasons.
Surely that deserves a bit of respect?
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Simpson definitely deserves respect AND praise for his defensive duties at right back. He’s very solid for us. His only downside is his lack of attacking threat, but at least he helps keep goals away from our net
I do not dislike Simmo but when you watch him receive the ball his instinct is always to pass back to the centre half. He rarely picks a pass out and when he does it is usually sideways or backwards. He is slow to move forward, his crossing and final ball are actually very poor. He has strengths including blocking, defensive positional play and clearances but I think fans want more than that from a right back.
Hello, I agree Simpson get’s a lot of uncalled for abuse. He may not be spectacular, but he does a good job for us. Of course he can be improved upon, but he’s far from a terrible player as quite a few people like to believe.
One last thing, Ed’s piece doesn’t say he thinks Anita is better, but that the votes indicated that the fans (who use Ed’s site) thought so.
So, where is this waffle and can I get mine with ice cream?
Thank you for a sensible piece about Simpson. To those who have written – ridiculously – that Simpson is dreadful and one of the worst to have worn a newcastle shirt , they must have very short memories. “I can do better” say some. I say – in your dreams. Simpson is a true pro who has given his considerable all for the good of the team and as you say has rarely let the team down. After all he was an integral part of the side that finished 5th a few months ago. A bit of realism required from a number of fans I think.
Cant argue with anything that has been said in the article and the replies som far. Simpson is a good player and has rarely let us down
G Boy,
What about his cross for Ba to score the winner against the spuds?
If he could close down his man and stop shots and crosses coming in rather than backing off all the time then he would be a decent defender – sadly he can’t and it costs us countless goals.
Simpson gets unfair stick because of articles like the one mentioned. There may be better but not at the same price or risk. We as in the fans should love him big time because he has done the biz and is loyal. He also keeps saying he wants to stay so let’s not drive him out ever. Even if we get Debuchy LOlL
William Batey – It’s in the headline mate.
He has done well for us up to a point, but for me, if we are to progress, then improving the right-back position would be my priority. The club are not willing to improve his contract to a level he thinks he deserves so I am inclined to think the club don’t rate him as top player.
Simpson only takes stick from the minority brain dead moron brigade who have no understanding of the beautiful game other than, ‘i am gonna shout at him coz i divvent like him derrrr’
Knobs
I like Simpson. He isn’t a world beater, but he is an honest, solid defender who has consitently put in good work for the club. Don’t know why some people criticize so much him to be honest.
I wish he was better coming forward, but that’s my only real know on him…
^^^my only real “knock”on him^^^
Toonsy….Thanks for the reply. So the headline holds more substance that the actual article? I suppose it’s down to opinions, but you could argue the headline is still only referring to the outcome of the vote by the fans using the site, not Ed’s own view.
However I have just re-read the above article and note you did say headlines, not articles, so apologies for sticking my nose in.
Hands up – I’m one of the Simpson knockers. His distribution is poor, he backs off too much, too many goals come down his side, he panics on the ball and as for the goal line saves all it takes is a foot stuck out.
I also have to say Anita looked really comfortable there up and down the line. Ever thought of Simpson looking comfortable?
Simpson is solid if not quality. Certainly doesmt derserve stick.
I don’t think Obertan gets treated any better. They are both scapegoats.
Toonsy I have said it for a long time he’s not the best rb in the world but he’s not one of the worst, and is a lot better than people give him credit for.
I know stats arn’t everything but i think his stats said he was in the top 3 last season
“solid if not quality”
JJ- I think that sums him up very well….
Nothing wrong with “solid” players. You need them at your club but you can’t afford an entire squad of them….
JJ – you’re probably right he doesn’t exactly deserve stick but him, Obertan and Gosling are the poorest players getting first team games. Willo’s not much better!
And as a fan – we give out praise AND stick. It’s always been the same.
Not sure who really wrote this piece but to call Simpson “nothing short of outstanding” is really stretching the imagination . . .
William Batey – then I would question the views of the fans that cast that vote – as well as Ed actually for offering Anita as an option when really he hasn’t even played a full game at RB for us. How is that long enough to be judged a better RB than Simpson?!
I have always liked Simpson, yes he’s not the best right back in the Country but he gives 100% every time he puts on the colours. Ok, so he posted on twitter about an England call up, but I see that as ambition, which should be encouraged not scorned – and let’s be right, there are some very questionable players in possession of England caps.
He’s an honest lad, who has had difficult times in his personal life, with complications for his new born last season, and of course the issues with his contract (which would probably be another source of dislike from some fans), but he has never came out and flagged the club off or went to the papers about it. He also shows great support to his team mate, shown by his tweet to Campbell before the Greek game.
I know I have spoke about him more as a person than a player but I think that it’s important to have good people in the dressing room as well (Shola for example).
Yes there are better right backs out there but we have to go and buy on – Debuchy for example, but we won’t pay the money!!
I personally don’t see right back as our weakest area, and I’d far sooner see us resolve Simpsons contract and keep him at Newcastle, then spend money strengthening our CB and CF options, because I see far greater value in strength in depth than just having a strong starting 11.
Georgio
I would say the poorest player we have ever had is Shola. So I guess its personal.
Gosling and Obertan have hardly been given any change to impress.
Sharpy…..And trust me I do question them…daily
For Ed’s part, it’s hardly a crime to get fans views on a never ending topic…in this instance our RB situation. Perhaps to get an indication as to whether people think he should stay at RB or should Simpson come straight back in when fit and ready.
Anyway, on to Simpson. I am with you. He seems a decent enough guy on a personal level and when it comes to playing I have absolutely no problem with him representing Newcastle. As a defender, he is decent. We have enough attacking talent within the team to allow Simpson to do his job – defending. He is improving imo as far as attacking attributes go, but as i said this for me is an also ran.
Debuchy would have been an excellent addition, but far from a necessity. I think the board have shown they will spend money, but what they deem to be the right price. That is different from saying they wont spend the money imo.
Basically, I think we agree Sharpy
georgio says:
September 11, 2012 at 15:08
Not sure who really wrote this piece but to call Simpson “nothing short of outstanding” is really stretching the imagination . . .
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The article states that the “signing” of Simpson was nothing short of outstanding. I’m not sure how that statement can even be argued against- we paid 750K (reported) for a player who has started for three straight seasons- through promotion and into Europe. Hard to say that wasn’t an “outstanding” bit of business…
MDS and the author – “has been nothing short of outstanding since his arrival from Manchester United?”
Yeah he was cheap. But outstanding? Delusional.
Toonsy ,Thanks for this article ,long overdue imo. I am sick of people slagging the lad off to be honest. This guy was a bargain buy and has never really let us down ,in fact his line clearences have saved our bacon many a time. Yes he’s not the best RB ever and yes he doesn’t go forward like Debuchy for instance but then I would question if Debuchy is as strong defending as Simmo ?. Eds blog vote is a joke ,how anyone can call Anita a better right back based on part appearence in one game beggers belief really, It may be true but no way we can be sure this soon, and it was only Villa ,would he have been as assured V Citeh ,Manure or Chelski I wonder. As I say Simmo is fine imo ,gives 100% never moans an d puts up with an unbelievible amount of abuse at times.
AndyG you mean the cross Walker badly misjudged and got underneath it to leave Ba wide open? It was the same kind of cross as his normal chipped up hopeful punt to the far post, only this time it was defended poorly and we profited.
Yes Simpson gets stick but it’s because he’s bang average (if that) and has turned down an alleged doubling of his salary when he should have snapped the board’s hand off. Also claimed he couldn’t afford a chauffeur if he got banned, maybe he should stop buying cars like Bentleys if he’s so hard-up then?! Players with an inflated self worth don’t last long under this regime (Nolan, Barton). Slow, indecisive, acts like football is a bomb, can’t pass it when he doesn’t think it’s a bomb, can’t cross, can’t take throw ins etc. The Arsenal away game last year was the last straw for me, we had possession down their final third and he got tackled and went down in instalments like he was shot and didn’t bother getting back.
Aye he runs back to the line and clears it off but how do you know another full back wouldn’t? Maybe if he could defend we wouldn’t keep having to get him to clear it off the line? He’s our weak link, even Ben Arfa is sick of his pathetic throw ins and tries to take them at every opportunity instead of Simpson .
Just looking at the clubs that finished below us last season and there are quite a few right backs I’d have over Simpson which is worrying as we can’t say that about many other positions.
Decent back up but must be replaced if we want to go to the next level, or stay at this one.
I’d rather he signed a new deal and stayed as a reliable squad player, provided we had somebody who could keep him on his toes. That said, if he leaves I wont be gutted either. He’s injury free for the best part of every season, is goodvon the line, pretty reliable tackler and on his day can put anybody in his pocket. Rarely has an aweful game. Receny year or so he has stopped backing off wingers as much as he used to as well. Hus bad side is his offensive play. Gives the ball away and keaves himself and his fellow defenders exposed, too slow in the decision making process, resulting in lost opportunities. Overall, probably a 7 out of 10 for a Premiership standard right back. Certainly good enough at this level, however unlikely to ever be an England International or get a move to a regular Top 4 side. Good enough for Newcastle based on current standing? Yes, sign him up and give him some serious competition for his shirt. If he goes, replaceable, but at what cost and to what effect?
William Batey – I don’t think Toonsy is trying to incriminate Ed in any way – more call into question the neutral stance of a headline ‘versatile Anita already the best right back at Newcastle’. In my opinion that is very leading headline – regardless of the content of the article that follows. I’m sure Toonsy can speak for himself, but that’s my issue with Eds article.
As for Newcastle spending. Yes, I agree we spend on players that will maintain our current position. What I meant was that we won’t spend the money to buy the established players that would make us serious contenders to regularly challenge the top 4. They will instead spend smaller amounts of money buying (admittedly) well scouted players in a hope that they will make it – and so far (again, admittedly) in the main it has worked. But it is a more lengthy process than spending the extra couple of million for players already there. For the record, whilst it’s frustrating as hell during the window period, I probably agree with that approach.
@Sharpy
We’ll know if the approach has worked only at the end of the season.
I’m not too confident based on our performances so far.
Got to agree with Toonsy on this one.
He has always given everything on the field, seems to be professional off it, rarely injured and some of the passion shown by him when Krul pulls off a stormer of a save demonstrates he cares.
Allegedly he’s been on low wages for a premier league player and though he’s not top quality he’s certainly been value for money.
Georgio @25….Annn….I misread it.
Still, delusional is a bit harsh.
Sharpy – As I said earlier, I later realised Toonsy mentioned headline, not article and yes, on the face of it, the headline suggests Anita is a better RB. What a difference a question mark could have made
My point still stands, if someone read the article (Ed’s), surely they would see he isn’t saying Anita is a better RB – unless I’m missing something.
On Spending (and I am off now so will keep this brief, yes, you can let off a sigh of relief) – I am not privy to the negotiations with Lille (for example). Much has been reported about conditions changing etc and if they are true, it can hardly be said we wont spend on players to take us to the next level, if you will. We will continue to improve the squad with better and seemingly younger players. Overall I do believe we will progress, not just maintain our current position, but it will take time with the model being used. I personally think it’s great we’re not held to ransom anymore, we’ve waited a good long while, I can wait a little while longer.
Been good chatting.
William Batey – I suppose my point is that another blog has posed the same question, but went with the headline ‘have Newcastle found a new right back?’ (the question mark is key IMO). A far more balanced heading. Also, Eds article only spoke of Anita, who has only played around 60mins in that position!, it’s just a premature question IMO.
Troy – you’re right mate, Cashleys and Dekkas approach can only truely be judged in the fullness of time. The only reason I say I approve of it so far is because most of our signings have been a success, when you look at the likes of Santon, Cabaye, Tiote, Benny, Marv, Ba and Cisse for example – an approx outlay of £30m or so. So as much as I’d like to see them spend the money to improve the areas I feel we lack depth in, Im reasonable enough to accept that it may not be the right way. But I agree that the way we are playing at the mo needs improving.
Can someone let me know if the reading game on sat 29th has been moved as I sorted respite for the saturday now ,but I got a funny feeling it’s moved ,anyone know ?
Simpson is a decent right back but nothing more. It all comes down to ambition. Ashley wasn’t willing to spend enough to improve us by actually paying what Debuchy was worth. He wasn’t willing to spend to strengthen us at CB. We haven’t improved our depth at striker. All of these failings indicate Ashley is happy to sit around 6th to 8th in the division and reap the rewards of the new TV contract starting next season. No chance for a Champions League position where the real money is. Is this a smart approach long term? Not so sure. He risks losing the supporters again if we have more injuries and fall out of the top 8. 3M is not an appropriate outlay for a top 5 team in the summer window.
i for one think simpson is a top guy he has never demanded a transfer playing for the team is his priority think we need a left back more than a right back as we dont have a left footed player to play in that persition as anita is right footed and fergie is a winger
Fo’real, is it cuz he is black Ayyyyyyyyyyye?
On a more serious note, I’m not really sure. I’d guess its because he’s not a fashionable full back. Namely, he’s english and lacks the flair/ability to storm up the wing which people love from full backs-Enrique and Santon for instance. If you ask me though, he’s a fair bit better than Santon defensively atm, although clearly Santon’s potential is awesome.
Add in the obsession some have that spending big is the be all and end all and perhaps that’s why he gets a hard time. Personally I think he’s a good lad and whilst unspectacular has helped us greatly every season he’s been here. Playing virtually week in week out, and asked to play through injury, I think i’ve seen him tired once? Which partly cost us a point against arsenal, and for that he was absolutely crucified by huge numbers of fans. Appalling if you ask me but meh.
Even if he’s not skilled at dribbling, his crossing is actually pretty good for a full back, and he constantly runs up the wing to make space for those he partners, Barton, Obertan, Arfa etc.
I know it’s still early in the season, but so far Simmo is still first choice RB, and if fit, I’m sure he’ll be in the team to face Everton. Also Simmo is saying he is working hard to be fit to face Everton – not sat on his hint end collecting the coin and seeing out the final year of his contract. That counts for something and he deserves a new deal
KIM this all i can find,but maybe not bang up to date
http://www.nufc.co.uk/page/Match/FixturesAndResults
If he’s not fit i’d like to see Anita on the left and Santon on the right so they can cross with their better feet. However I’d understand if we kept it the same for stability sake, Santon probably needs more help..
Assuming we play 4-4-2 that is….
agree with most on here Simmo is a top player for us look at where we were when he arrived on loan and look at ythe progress we have made since, as an ever present he has more than played his part, give him a new contract
it seems some of our so called fans are only ever bothered about slagging players off as they feel this will help improve their confidence and commitment,
everone is entitled to their oppinion and for those who dont like simpson then fair enough, but to be fair some of the critiscim he gets is way over the top there has to be a difference between oppinion and abuse and sometimes on these forums i find it hard to tell the difference
ICE , thanks ,bit confused as Eds site got it down as sunday but official site still says sat
KIM go on reading site,maybe they are more up to date
I’m not usually a shit stirrer but there’s rumours going round on twitter (I know! Pinch of salt is at hand!
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But apparently a big chunk of the squad is not happy that we didn’t sign anyone in the summer and so it’s caused a bit of a rift.
By the way if you’re on twitter I’m @Nobbyclarke82
On Simmo, he’s never infuriated me the way some people get about him but he’ll get into an advanced position and then runs out of ideas. Defensively he’s sound, he doesn’t ‘back off’ like some people make out, in fact he’s got great defensive timing and reading. IMO!
Ice did you find out when the other leg is
Nobby you may get your helmet on because when I said the players wouldn’t be to happy with the ambition the club has shown, I got a bit of stick
atleast 2 of our players came out in public to call for the club to sign quality players so you can be pretty sure most of the squad felt the same
I reckon cabaye must be one of them (if it’s true!) he was bigging up debuchy big style and then nothing happened!
Me personally am not bothered too much that we didn’t sign defensive cover but if it’s causing a rift I am bothered about that
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@BD
I’m trying to work out who the leader will be in the changing room. If there’s unrest then it needs a big character to pull the team together.
My only guess is Pardew
He’s done ok so far in keeping the camp happy. I think he’ll pull it off but it can’t happen again.
The thing is, he needs to get a grip of it immediately because if they don’t set the same standards early and aren’t near the top 6 then the heads drop and the rot sets in.
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When I say it needs a big member to pull the team together in the changing rooms, I didn’t mean it literally!
I have to say I’m surprised by all the Simmo love. Where are all the haters, there were plenty aboot for most of last season…
Troy-Shola’s the Boss man. He’ll whip the lads into shape to rival his own!
I wouldn’t be surprised if Pards knew of any unrest and really what could he do about it because deep down im sure he would feel the same, remember he was the one that stated that he got Cabaye etc by assuring them that we would be pushing for European footie, then he was the one that came out and said that he wanted to add 2 or 3 players and would like to have them in before the Euros etc, I am convinced that Cabaye would be fuking sick after coming out and publicly tapping up Debuchy for the club not to push the boat out to get him, as there is no way he would have done that without the clubs say so, and if so then the club have made him and Debuchy look like a pair of right mugs.
As people have mentioned, Simmo is also a good character who clearly loves playing for the club. Such characters are a vital part of a football club-especially ours. A big part of our season last year was the togetherness and teamwork shown by players who were often outclassed man for man by other teams but who didn’t have our same ethic. If there is trouble, I certainly can’t see simmo being a part of it..
Dave-He may know about it, and he may feel the same, but at the end of the day its his job to do something about it. Not that he can’t be a bit pissed but it’s not really surprising and I doubt he’s surprised after being shafted, but its just another challenge he’s going to have to deal with.
Nobby
> Me personally am not bothered too much that we didn’t sign defensive cover but if it’s causing a rift I am bothered about that
Can you hand on your heart really not be that bothered that we didn’t sign any defenders to give us ( Our Team ) a better chance of getting back into the top 6 and Europe next season, never mind to just keep the players happy
Newkie yeah it is just another challenge for him to deal with, but do you think he is not going to get fuked off facing challenges simple because he is being screwed yet again by his bosses.
Because I would be real surprised is he didn’t get fuked off with them as its hard enough facing the normal challenges of the prem, but when they’re challenges that could have been avoided then it’s a bit different
DAVE @ it was last week i think
Sorry save , wrong choice of words, not ‘not bothered’ just it hasn’t effected me emotionally like some other things
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@BD
Has Debuchy moved on or signed a new contract?
Dave not save
Dave-The very fact he took up the Newcastle job shows just how much he’s up for a challenge, in fact he’s had an easyish ride so far!
Maybe if it happens year on year it would be fair for Pards to start getting pissy, but at the end of the day how many years has Moyes carried on doing a good job even with fuck all support? He needs to be a professional and carry on doing his job. It’d be pathetic if he started whining week in week out or threw in the towel imo, he knew what he was getting in to.
At the end of the day Anita and bigi a seem to be great signings
And I’m happy with them… A little tweaking and they could be shit hit!
Newkie at 61 great point about mouse
Mouse? Fucking predictive typing! Moyes!
Ice @ 57 thanks mate I knew I could rely on you to keep me right
Newkie as I said there is the normal challenges in the day to day life of a prem manager but when your bosses screw you over like they have done to every other manager and also to our current manager, no one is saying he should come out whining week in week out
, the club have lied to him before and made him look like a right muppet, then last Jan we had Pards telling us that Mike says when am I getting the CB in ?? will he still hasn’t got one in, then when Raylor gets injuried Pards was basically saying we’ll need t o get a replacement in, and that he was going to see Lambastad the next day. Then the next thing is that he then thinks we can run with what we have, then look at it again in Jan do you really buy that shit 
Nobby @ 62 they are MF’s we don’t really need MF’s that can cover in the defence we need proper defenders
He gets stick cos he just doesn’t have a football brain and looks out of his depth at this level, will the same fans get all starry eyed about him when he goes on a free in January? Loyal my arse.
Newkie I meant to add that Moyes case is totally different imo our revenue would be a hell of a lot more than Evertons and I can’t remember Moyes board making him look like a liar either
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@BD
Are you aware if Debuchy has been transferred or signed a new contract. I haven’t followed him since it fell thru.
Anyone else know?
Robert in your opinion he doesn’t have a football brain, or is that a proven fact ?
if he goes for free it will be the same for me as Guthrie i’ll say good luck to them and shame on our club for letting it happen in the 1st place
coz hes shite he goes missing to much in games,the lad needs to stay at rb and stop coming in when we are on the back foot.
Troy I think things just remained the same with Debuchy im pretty sure he hasn’t signed a new contract.
Dave-Well by that token he was also told he wouldn’t be getting a striker and then he got Cisse in Jan. Not a bad lie to be told surely? In fact I bet he was a lot happier he got Cisse in than a CB in January, and so was I tbh.
You just backed up my point as well, the owners have shafted our other managers so if Pards was expecting a totally different atmosphere then he was clearly living in dreamland.
I don’t really know what you mean “buying that shit”? I expect Pards to do the best he can, and that’s what he’s said he’s going to do?
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@BD
Aye. I’ve just checked. He’s still at Lille.
That being the case, it wouldn’t surprise me if we capture him in January for a cut price.
I’m basing this on how we work nowadays.
Freiburg wanted £14m for Cisse in the summer and we got him for 9m in January.
Who knows? This regime have to take credit based on the last two years. I’m willing to give them time on that basis alone.
@ 70 Jez look what the cats dragged in
where have you been hitman haven’t seen you in yonks. I missed your positivity over the window
cheers dave.lol.im going through a divorce at the mo m8 so life is up in arms.
Troy yeah that could happen and yeah they did save 4-5 mil on Cisse but let me ask you this do you think we would have finished higher than 5th if we had of signed him in the summer and if so would that higher place have got us that money back
Hitman well mate you know what I will say
you can’t expect to not get burned if you play with fire 
Troy-If that came off it would be decent business I suppose, although I suspect it might be hard to see it that way of things go badly until Jan
Hitman yeah mate a bit like locking the door after the horse has bolted, but your not the 1st in the world mate, have you got cubs
Sorry if no one tweets but it’s proper kicking off on there like! Steve wraith who edits one of the fanzines has stirred up a hornets nest (rightly or wrongly) even the the clubs official twitter account is trying to explain themselves to him personally!
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@BD
You know my thoughts on that. I’ve said it on numerous occasions that if we had signed Cisse in the summer then we may have qualified for the CL.
I’ve been critical on that point. I’ve repeated the same point over a CB. I believe we should have signed a CB last summer and who knows, we may have qualified for the CL this season.
Im pointing it out only to highlight that is now how we work. We chase a player and offer what we value them at but don’t budge. It unsettles the player and we sweep up in the next window.
My thoughts are tho, is we have progressed so well over the last two seasons, despite my hatred for the regime in terms of believing they are unscrupulous and would drop us with no concern if they could, without losing money, credit has to be given to our progression.
This however is a huge season and I do believe we should have capatisied on our league finish and strengthened our squad in the summer.
However, they’ve proved me wrong how well they did this season my view is they deserve their chance.
If they don’t do as well and don’t qualify for Europe then I feel I will be entitled to say, ” well I thought so, because I did believe you should have strengthened. Logic tells you that it was needed”
nobby what was your twitter name again
@nobbyclarke82
aye dave but not to the soon to be ex,which is a fookin blessin
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@nobby
What’s Steve wraith debating and stirring up?
apparently he has inside knowledge that tha players are v unhappy with the lack of players coming in during the transfer window and there is a rift.
Agree with 82…..
So Sir Alex wont be happy , Van Persie has not come out for the second half for Holland because of injury . No Rooney , no Van Persie and people say we have a striker problem
Well if Wraith is right then Pardew needs to let them know the club pays their wages and its time they stopped being childish or they will be dropped . In the end these guys got us too 5th last season so why should the club bring in players just for the sake of it . Yes we needed defensive strengthening ,but only players that are better than we already have . If they weren’t available then play the kids . Fact is , like it or not Ashley pays the wages and transfer fees and its his call on who he buys or not and not the players . It could also be a load of bullshit from Wraith and the players have just not yet got up to their normal level yet .
Axel-What happend to Van Persie? I thought they just subbed him off at half time for resties?
Troy I see someone is declaring un dieing love for you on twatter
Axel I don’t think Steve Wraith would get owt from bullshitting
what benefit would he get from that ?
I really can’t work that one out, do you really believe that there has been no CB’s available for the last 2 transfer windows.
As for bringing in players for the sake of it
Yeah we should drop them for being “childish” where exactly would that get us ? do we just keep dropping players that don’t agree with what is happening at the club until we have no players left
Dave-Bit of popularity and exposure. Everyone is talking about him now because of this. It didn’t stop him before when he claimed we’d only pay 20k to seasoned CL players and internationals.
Well, unless he actually beleived that, in which case he’s as mad as a hatter
Spot on Newkie @ 94 I take everything he says with a massive pinch of salt – no time for the bloke.
NEWKIE they haven’t said yet what for injury , just that he could not play on .
BIG DAVE the point i am trying to make is , the defenders that were available , were they any better than what we have . Lets not forget our defence last season was part of a team that got us too 5th ,so the quality of defender that would improve us is going to cost big money simply because they will need to be international class . Perch last season surprised everyone and S taylor missed half the season . Too buy a player better than those 2 would cost the club the same sort of money as we paid for Colo . Trouble is that sort of player would want CL football which we cant offer . I personaly would rather we give the likes of Tavernier and Good a chance than pay 3 or 4 million for a player that would be of the caliber Williamson .
Exactly Newkie. Every year or so he starts one of these things…
He was quiet last year mind…
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@BD
Help me out with twitter. Who’s saying what and what’s Steve Wraiths main gist?
It seems that a lot of people don’t have much time for him, is it because he speaks out against the regime or is it something else.
Newkie I really can’t believe he does it for popularity and exposure, as for the 20k for players he even came on here to say that that was what he believed but couldn’t vouch to the credibility of his source. but he has said this time that he believes his source. I would believe it because I voiced the same concerns towards the end of the window that some of the players wouldn’t be to happy at the clubs lack of ambition.
It will be interesting to see if any of the players come out tommorow or the coming days to refute these claims and even then they could just be towing the party line as it were.
Still think theres no smoke without fire though ,Cabaye must be really hacked off over Debuchy not arriving after biggin him up and what have you. 
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Troy his main gist is that he was told that there was some player unrest because of the lack of signings, and he seems to have faith in his source, the clubs official twitter started to get into a war of words with him then blocked him, but have now unblocked him
steve wraith @stevewraith
So all is not as it seems at #nufc again. Is all that hard work last season really going to be destroyed by them again!
steve wraith @stevewraith
Sounds like there has been trouble at mill for some scribe who has incurred the wrath of those that must be obeyed to. #nufc
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I’ve heard that the rumours of player unrest are Allegedly true and that reluctance to buy has upset certain players. #nufc
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again that Glen Johnson is total average. The fact that he plays for Liverpool and England (well England
) is incredible. Ukraine players have made a monkey out of him all night. I would honestly rather see Simpson get a chance on current form between the two. (ps. I know he’s injured)
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@BD
It’s nothing that we didn’t know really. Pardew has told us publicly.
We were discussing this before I became aware of SW craic.
I’m relying on the silver tongue of Pards.
He’s more than capable of spreading honey on the mouldy bread.
Uh-oh- more “twitter”, “sources” and “allegedly”s….this has to be true
I don’t think that fans want to ‘castigate’ him Toonsy. Like what G BOY said @ 2. It’s more that fans expect to see a Newcastle United fullback that can join in with attacks, is comfortable in possession and can take people on. Even Stephen Carr could do this better than Simpson IMO. People are just frustrated that there seems to be no development or progression in his game in these respects. This is what holds him back from players like Glen Johnson IMO, even he can get forward a bit. At the level Simpson finds himself there are players that can defend AND attack.
Thigh injury for van persie
great player but i cant stand the feker .
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@MDS
Are you suggesting Steve Wraith is just making it up?
If so then ignore it but I would suggest that he has far more insight and connections than we have due to the people he works with.
He doesn’t come across as a shot stirrer so instead of just dismissing it, consider it may be true.
The journo Andy Dunn was talking on radio five live a couple of weeks back and was talking about journalist being ITK and their sources. When it was put to him that players keep stuff in house and journos don’t know anymore than the reading public do he said something along the lines of, That’s not true ,where do you think we get our inside infomation from ,often it’s in the players interest for stuff to be made public,to say players don’t talk to journalist is simply not true . To an extent I would tend to agree with that.
Off topic but ,a stern test for England tonight I thought ,did well to pick up a point’
Also ,bit late but congrats to Andy Murray ,grand slam at last
KIM murray imo is a arsehole and stuck up snob
Troy, I’m not suggesting that. But I don’t trust his “sources” because 1) his sources mislead him before, and 2) I don’t know who his sources are in this case.
Wraith has a strong hatred of the current Board, which is fair enough. But I wonder if he justs enjoys getting under their skin. I don’t think I’ve ever seen him post any positive news….
Ice,
, don’t rate him I take then I take it. 
@113 ,That’s it I’m givin up wine
, Ice ,don’t rate him then I take it. was what I meant 
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@MDS
I’m not going to be Steve Wraiths PR but I have heard him on many occasions praise the club last for proving him wrong.
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Wrong in terms of performance on the pitch and financially off it.
Where was Simmo for the Villa goal. He was out of position ball watching as he usually does. What did he do when he clocked the danger. Ambled over with his hands behind his back, and made a lame attempt to block the cross.
Pick your best 11. Is Simmo in it? If you had to chose one player to replace first in an attempt to improve the team, who would it be?
Dave-How can you not believe its about exposure? The man has a site to run and theres money to be made. Just like the daily press, wild, inaccurate and usually bullshit stories sell better than the reasoned and informative news that permeates this very blog
Not that i’m saying there’s nowt in it, I just think wraith has his own agenda and is no stranger of talking out his arse.
Troy fair enough then. I know you know the guy but I guess I just haven’t seen that publicly.
B+B-You having a fucking laugh mate? There were two people Simmo had to watch because either Benny or Cabs hadn’t marked up properly, he chose the right option in covering the lad who was in the box so the ball couldn’t be put there. It went out wide and Simmo attempted to close him down, a cross went in and some three Villa players were standing around unmarked and a header was put away unchallenged.
Get tired of people blaming goals where so many people are at fault on one player-90% of the time Simmo. It’s a joke.
Troyer – You’ve changed your tune. You were going to jump on Llambias at midnight on 31 August. Now you’re prepared to give him until January.
Its easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that we should have signed this or that player, or we should have signed them earlier than we did. It is easy to say now that we would be better off buying in a replacement CB or striker. However, it can be one big expensive gamble that could go a big Boumsong in your face. Can those who are saying we should spend say that they were calling for the signings of Cabaye, Cisse and Tiote in the months before they were signed? I had never even heard of them.
Axel-So are you saying I should take him out me fantasy team? FFS
I always find the first and most reliable news on transfers to come from the Journal and Chronicle. The journos build relationships with players and club contacts. I’m often surprised at how candid players can be.
I couldn’t care that the players may be peed off at the lack of transfers. Players at many rival clubs are just as likely to be peed off.
Anyone who is not committed should leave. Like Jose Enrique, however, they would, I suggest, be better served showing a little patience.
Newkie – Simmo gets caught ball watching regularly. In relation to the Villa goal, did he sprint to the winger or jog with his hands behind his back?
I’m not saying that Tayls and Colo weren’t guilty of ball watching when the cross came in, but were not talking about them.
Newkie – I’m not having a laugh when I ask, if you had a a choice of one player in your first 11 to replace for a better player, who would it be? Cisse, Tiote, Cabaye, HBA, Colo, Krul, Santon, Jonas, Ba?
@Newkie
He doesn’t get paid for his twitter or views on nufc. Can you expand?
Newkie – Same thing happened when Bale hit the bar with that header. Simmo out of position and ball watching. Could have cost us dear.
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@b&b
You are doing it again aren’t you.
Please read all my posts and get a full view of my opinions.
Never veered at all.
How many players do you see sprint at full speed to a player in that position? Few, I’d guess, because if you did he could put the ball past you and run freely into the box. Imagine the outrage if Simmo “allowed” someone into the box. Heaven forbid if he had his arms out and gave away a pen on accident, there’d be people foaming at the mouth. I don’t like the arms behind the back routine, but it can save on free kicks and I imagine whatever simmo had done would be judged wrong in some manner.
We should talk about them. Those two, particularly Colo are beyond reproach for many fans. Don’t get me wrong, Colo is a quality defender, but even he makes mistakes, personally I don’t think Simmo makes many more, and for someone who cost 1/20th of the price, that’s not bad going.
I always stand to be corrected as you know your posts better than I, as well you should. However, the one that stuck out to me as best representing your position was the one that said you would judge Llambias on 31 August. What did you say you would do if there were no incomings? It wasn’t pleasant.
Now you’re saying, “However, they’ve proved me wrong how well they did this season my view is they deserve their chance.”
“If they don’t do as well and don’t qualify for Europe then I feel I will be entitled to say, ” well I thought so, because I did believe you should have strengthened. Logic tells you that it was needed”
B+B-Personally if we’re playing 4-4-2 I’d actually switch Jonas, he’s not effective on the wing whereas Simmo offers more for his position. Otherwise yes, he doesn’t match the quality of the others. That being said he’s played better so far than several of those “better” players soo….
Troy-I’d wager a fair amount that his fanzine site will have had more hits today than it would on a regular day, simply because Wraith’s name is doing the rounds again. Not that I can “prove” it of course, but that’s what I was getting at.
Plus it keeps his name fresh so he can do more interviews for other media outlets and further embarrass me and plenty of other toon fans…
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@B&B
Yes well done amigo. You are right. I know my own posts better than anyone.
My views have never wavered,veered or strayed.
Please try and prove me wrong by collating the imaginary posts you crave just so you can prove me wrong.
I need to know if I’ve been contradicting myself as I would hate to be made a fool of without someone pointing out the facts.
Could you give me a time frame for your results?
Blackley-Yes, and Krul and Colo were at fault for the Torres goal against us, put us out the match. Shame on them
Troyer – Look at what you’ve just said on this thread (just quoted by me above), and then compare it to your comment made in August that you were keeping your powder dry until midnight 31.
Your powder still seems quite dry to me. Perhaps that’s what you meant? You would keep your powder dry until 31 August AND THEN you would keep your powder dry until January?
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@newkie
But you have to take into account that he is interested in NUFC and has lots of contacts.
He writes everyday. When was the last time he came up with something similar.
Every time he says anything that is controversial which really is few and far between and no more than anyone else, he gets slated for sensationalising things. Yet when you analyse what he’s actually said is no different to what Pardew said the other week about cabaye, Ba and Cisse getting their heads turned by agents and Pardew was furious cos the players weren’t mentally right.
I have heard exactly the same thing but Steve has a forum to air his views and is only expressing what most people on Tyneside have heard.
I would suggest if he hadn’t mentioned it then people would be asking why not?
The whole team was to blame for the Ciaran Clark goal IMO, not just Simpson. Taylor and Coloccini were zonal marking and ultimately just ended up ball watching whilst their CB got a free header 5 yards out. What should have happened is Taylor/Collo/Ba pick up their 3 players in the box and people who are left zonal mark/ pick up extra players. Nobody should ever get a free header.
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@B&B
Why haven’t you quoted me post 31 aug? Please do, it’s only fair.
My views immediately post 31 are exactly the same now.
I will let you explain though cos you seem determined to prove me wrong. Please explain where I’ve differed pre – post and now.
Newkie – I’m not one to get onto Simmo for the sake of it, but this article and comments needed some balance.
Putting your hands behind your back when trying to close down the opposition as quickly as possible is reprehensible. I would not have criticised him if it had hit his hand and the ref had given a penalty; I would criticise the ref just as I did when Ryan Taylor had his arms out. As for Taylor and Colo, they’re not perfect by any means but they’re much better than Simmo.
Would I be looking to keep Jonas or Simmo if I had to get rid of one of them to strengthen the team? Its a no brainer.
Troyer – What you on about @138? I am comparing your pre and post August 31 quotes, and pointing out the inconsistency?
Bed time!
Troy-Yes I know he’s interested in the club and has his “sources” that doesn’t mean he’s not interested in airing his views for his own gain, the two aren’t mutually exclusive.
I’m not slating him, I just think he’s boring to be honest, and I feel kind of sorry for him that he never seems to be happy or seems to enjoy writing or talking about anything Newcastle, maybe he should stick to the gangster stuff.
I haven’t “heard” of the disturbances from my “sources.” I expected it though and I’m not too surprised. Surely a bit of common sense would suggest that the players, who aren’t so different from the fans, would be annoyed at the lack of progress. That being said, its no excuse to whine, and they’re being paid to play, so play they should.
Meh
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@B&B
My views have never changed. I can’t say much more than that. You choose to say otherwise but if you care to look through my views you will find you are wrong. Again.
I’ve never said anything different tonight than I have throughout.
Have you read all my posts tonight?
Blackley- and criticisng the Ref gets you sweet F.A. Simmo was playing it safe by current ref standards. You may not have blamed him but I guarantee if it happens this season, some will. Of course Taylor and Colo are better, I’d never dispute that. But they make mistakes, just like all of our players. Some players’ mistakes go under the radar, some are highlighted and banged on about a hundred times and more by some sections of the fans, and I just hate that kind of hypocrisy.
You’re changing the goalposts now, firstly you said improving the first 11- Now you’re saying would you keep Jonas over Simmo?
I’d agree with you, but Jonas would be out of my first 11 before Simmo was. Hell, it could even be Ba or Cisse, and they’re unbelieveable talents. Just goes to show…
Personally I would have gone for a better CB as whilst Staylor is technically first team I do worry that he won’t last the season. As such, Willo/Perch who were first team for far beyond half a season could be improved on far more than Simmo, and we clearly have a lot of other players who could play full back, all those circumstances pointing to a need for a cb than a RB…
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@Newkie
I disagree . He’s running a twitter account and all he has said tonight that his source has heard the players are unhappy.
If you watch his twitter account then he’s not a sensationalist headline grabbing person.
It’s your choice but I disagree.
Wow man, how much have I missed since last on!!
Regarding Steve Wraith – he’s hardly breaking news is he?!, and the only story there is that he was ‘blocked’ from the official site for a short while
. Hardly starting a revolution.
It comes as no surprise that the players are disappointed – they are ambitious and want to player in the best team possible, with the best players possible. But it didn’t happened, nor dud it happen at Liverpool and arguably Arsenal (although Arsenal would be players sold rather than not bought). The point I am trying to make is what’s his point?… so he’s heard a rumour… what is he trying to achieve by sharing it?. The players are pissed off – the fans are pissed off .. But there’s sweet FA that can be done about it now!. As someone who runs a fanzine, I’d hope he would promote togetherness rather than highlight unrest.
I’m sure what he is saying is true, I just struggle to see what he gains by saying it?!
Troy/B&B – do you know each other off this site?
Thoroughly enjoy the banter and sense of one upmanship that goes on between you, it’s good crack
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@sharpy
Where have you been or as i suspect you have your rod out.
Me and B&B are brothers. That’s been known by all for months if not a year or so.
I’m the one with common sense with a touch of madness. B&B is the mad one with a sense of common .
Troy –
– I wish I could claim to have been fishing, but instead I’ll have to hold my hands up and admit to completely missing that one mate 
Anyway, it’s good crack all the same
He can’t be that bad if he’s held down a place in our team for the last 3 years. He gets a lot of grief that he shouldn’t (same with Shola) and he is definitely a scapegoat when things go wrong. NUFC should definitely give him a new deal because he deserves it, why should a player like Gosling earn £25,000 a week when Simmo earns £12,000 and starts every game? I really don’t think he is valued enough by the board and fans.
Wonder if Cabs would be happier next window if we bought someone in to challenge and replace him in the first 11…
Newkie – he won’t give a shite mate, he’ll be at Arsenal
Sharpy-They’d never cough up the monies for Cab! Wenger would retire before he’d match Cashley’s asking price
Manure perhaps…Or maybe he really believed the Barca speculation
Aye what has Steve Wraith got to gain out of this?
I mean he’s just opened a new bar in town, is playing a role in pantomime at Christmas, and has just sorted his first boxing events along with the darts.
So yes, Steve has nothing to gain from a bit of extra publicity. Nothing at all
Toonsy
Glad you’re onto him….
He’s behind you
Oh no he isn’t
Sharpy @ 146 “Troy/B&B … Thoroughly enjoy the banter and sense of one upmanship that goes on between you, it’s good crack”
Agree with Toonsy 154 and Vegas
One twitter from an attention seeker and suddenly the team is falling apart… please give me a break….. It’s simple really, If you tweet, you are an attention seeker… why else would you do it!!
Over time on here, I have really noticed how speculation around bad team news gets embraced and accepted as truth much more readily as speculation around good news
I wonder why that is?? 
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@Toonsy
Look at the facts.
He’s got a twitter account.
He’s explained to people what he been told and to be fair, it was similar to what Pardew told us himself.
It’s not as if he comes out with sensationalist headlines daily.
I really don’t get this SW bashing.
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@Begas
There certainly hasn’t been much craic at all since I’ve been away for a week.
I’ve dragged some life back into the thread. I’m sure that those who disappear cos they’ve got no craic of their own will be back on complaining they can’t post because of me.
Consider yourself in that crew Begas.
Troy Stavers says:
September 12, 2012 at 08:03
There certainly hasn’t been much craic at all since I’ve been away for a week
“craic” = Troy endlessly arguing with his brother B&B
Hadn’t really noticed that you were gone but welcome back anyway Troyster
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@Aussie
There’s only a limited number of posts between me & B&B
If I stay away, you and Begas stare blankly into space looking for inspiration.
By the way, before you go on, read my disclaimer. You do recall I put it up following your humongous hissy fit .
Don’t just look at his goal-line saves and general play when trying to ascertain whether or nor he’s worthy…look at the goals we conceded last year and look at how many times the ball’s been stuck in the back of our net and Simmo is just a couple of yards away from the goalscorer because he hasn’t done his job.
His lapses in concentration and inability to track runs has a habit of costing us dearly…he’s a bit like Warren Barton…he’s got two bad mistakes in him every game and in the premier league now those mistakes normally mean a goal.
Certainly not worthy in my book.
You can tell a deluded Simmo assessor by who they’d replace him with. Like with Ed’s blog, Tav over Simpson? Seriously? Complete fools.
Only scanned the page but whoever said Simmo was at fault for the Villa goal is talking trash – watch the highlights, it’s clearly HBA’s fault, it’s his man that is free.
@Mark I’m sure the stats showed last year that the fewest goals came from Simmo’s side..?
Same old Troy, same old jokes
So Steve Wraith has only aired theses concerns over what he heard because he has his boxing , darts, etc etc to promote, so it can’t be just that he is genuinly concered ? Because I am and I have aired the same views but I have nothing to promote ? So I think it’s just an easy way to disrecard someones opinion and in most cases I would say it’s because of your dislike of the guy
On Simmo I have noticed his hands behind his back, but I can remember before he done that he gave away a pen and got hounded for it, I have also noticed a lot of other defenders doing the samething lately.
your always looking for attention on here BD, don’t try and deny it
Aussie
Solano-Aye, its hilarious. Clouded judgement because some people just absolutely hate Simmo with a passion and I really don’t get where it stems from. Don’t get me wrong i’m not knocking Tav and I really hope he does become better than Simmo/offers up some real competition as soon as possible. However, some members of Ed’s blog and I think I’m right in saying some people on here said Tav was better than Simmo two seasons ago, or at least one year ago and should have been starting over him then.
In regards to Steve Wraith comments and his source if you hold the view that the club is been run in a bad way your going to be more inclined to belive him and his source as it validates your opinion. That is human nature and nothing wrong with that. Flip side to that coin is if you think the club is been ran well your , at best , going to take his comments with a large pinch of salt. Just the way life is.
Nobody really knows what is going on behind close doors and we can only guess what happened during the summer. Facts are we brought in who we brought in and we got rid of who we got rid of. Our squad now is the squad that will do us until Jan ( atleast ) and we shall wait and see if its good enough.
Funny how the same people who criticize twitter rumours and “sources” when we’re linked with someone during the transfer window are the first to defend wraith and his sources . Some seem like they are hoping for a bit if player unrest to prove a point
Dave – Nowt to do with my dislike of him, which doesn’t actually exist by the way, but cheers for trying that one!
I guess it’s just down to opinions really. I think there is probably something in it but I very much doubt it’s to the extent that Wraith is making out. He’s basing it on three league games where we haven’t been at our best, but we also did something like that last season and there was no problem?
Just saying that it seems whatever certain people say it’s jumped upon as true, but I can’t say I’m surprised. All you have to do is look at how our fans react to newspaper speculation. A good player is linked and it’s “a load of press bollocks” while one of our good players is linked with a move away and suddenly it’s all true. Just seems that people love bad news, and that is something that the figures on here seem to back up.
Very true MDS! Very true
Toonsy
It could also be that good news seems false and bad seems true because i think its human nature not to get your hopes up and its human nature to prepare yourself for the worst, even if its subconciously done!
I don’t think it’s about point scoring or proving a point at all. The fact is we have a thread bare defence as far as first teamers go and Cabaye spent much of the summer lauding his mate Debuchy under the what would seem now misguided illusion he’d be coming in .Add to that the difficulties trying to amalgamate second string players or younsters into the side and get results and it all adds up to a tense and trying situation for all concerned.Given all that is it any wonder their is /could be player unrest ,I know I would be peeved if it were me. Yes you can say they are well paid and need to get on with it but when players have been signed under the premis that we would sign the players that would push us into top 6/4 spots ( Cabaye as mentioned by Pards ) for one ,you can understand their being unrest. For what it’s worth I don’t give a toss what people on twitter say ,only a fool would think the players are happy with our current situation imo.
I don’t trust Wraith because Cwar’s sources told him to tell me that he’s a right untrustworthy fellow who is wrong about 95% of the time
Toonsy I didn’t mean to single you out for having a dislike of him, I was talking more in general. But correct me if im wrong I could have sworn that a while back you made your deslike of SW quite clear on here, round the time he had to come on here to try to defend himsel and what he said. As for “trying that one!” I think you know me better than that.
As I said before I just can’t believe the shit he gets for saying something that quite a lot of fans have allready expressed concerns about. I would 100% believe that the players are fuked off with the ambition the club have shown in the summer window, and thats without SW saying anything.
I have never read by anybody suggesting Tav is better than Simmo? If 1 or 2 ever did then it cerainly was not agreed with by ant noteable number if fans and it has certainly never been raised as a serious debate. I find it amusing how as soon as ab article gets written the msjority of comments are all pro and scornful of any persons that have the cheek to doubt a players worth, most of you have said we can do much better than Simmo at some point on here. As Ive already stated, he dies generally get too much stick, however we certainly could do better than him. For now though, he us reasonably reliable and allegedly cheap, so good value for it. We could do worse, but could do better. He’s just average… Would like him to stay on a new deal, but would like somebody to give him a real fight for the right back slot, as we dont seem bothered as a club with creating real competition for places, which may bite us in the arse at some point. Even Troy is being overly nice about iur players these days, I prefer the truthful Troy. We are not all happy supportive supporters. We get fed up and moan, we analyse where we are weakest and we discuss it. Nowt wrong with that. We are weak in defense and up front fir a number of reasons, but can get by with what we have. Is that good enough though? Well thats a dufferent question all together!
Shamrock-well I have mate, trust me. I wouldn’t say that I’ve been scornful, but as someone who’s defended Simmo for nigh on two seasons now, in almost every match thread i’m involved in it seems to me some people just have an agenda against him that I can’t explain.
The fact that over half of Ed’s blog poll suggest Anita is a better right back than Simmo speaks volumes for me. I’d say about 98% of them have only seen the one match where he played at full back for us, and not even for a full match. Do they rate Anita or do they just hate Simmo that much?
Never said we couldn’t improve on him, this article isn’t about what a wonderful player he is, in fact most of the scornful lot you’re on about actually just think Simmo is just a standard player, and he is really. Just don’t get why he gets hate for that.
Neither do I Newkie, just find it funny how two faced some posters can be (not accusing you by the way!) As for Ed’s blog – gave up reading any of that tripe a long time ago. It seems different sites attract a different type of personality. This one is more balanced in my opinion, consequently attracting a more balanced reader and poster. I can totally understand the result of Ed’s poll – dont think it represents the avaerage Toon fan’s opinion though, just the average ill informed one!
I like this article – it asks a question I’ve never been able to answer, except theories about him coming from Manure and being English – two things that correlate with players getting stick over the years.
I rate Simmo – he bombs forward constantly, covers huge ground and – let’s face it – is one of the most consistent components of the team that’s got us from fizzy to Europe in 3 seasons.
I hope he signs a new contract soon; would love to see him here for a while.
On the ‘because he’s English’ thing, you only have to look at what we do to English names when they do a good job (Perchino, Pardiola) to see there’s something in this “if he’s English he’s crap” nonsense.
As for slamming Glen Johnson – what planet? They guy’s superb. If he was called Johnioretti…?
Whumpie and others – that because he’s English thing is nonsense. I’m not a Simpson fan because he’s just not very good. When did Ferguson last sell a player for £750k that was “outstanding?”
He does bomb up and down the wing. There’s a lot of dogs could do that.
Have to say, I completely agree with the article. Yes, he doesn’t show much flair, doesn’t have a spectacular cross and occasionally backs off his man too much. However, he is consistent. His positional sense is far better than Santon’s (who, incidentally I rate very highly, but in other, more attacking respects to Simmo), and he is far less of a liability, and he always gives his all. How people criticise him so much when he really is a great member of the team, I do not know. I, for one, hope he signs up and continues to perfrom, although a more attacking full back would be welcome, especially for games against weaker teams, we could absolutely demolish with more overlapping and pinpoint crosses (obviously tactics dependant).
Troy – I think you have miss understood. It’s B&B I find funny – your posts have a hint of arrogance about them
Regarding Steve Wraith. I can honestly say that until this post, ive never heard of the bloke. I neither like or dislike the guy. But as Troy said, what he tweeted was very similar to what Pardew has already said. So my point is, why rack over old coals?. It’s been said and now it’s time to move on because the window is closed and we have to get on with it – fans and players alike.
@georgio
pique was sold when he was 21 for about 3 mill, having.only made 12 appearances for man utd. so fergie got it wrong.
Clutching at straws mate.
SolanosTrumpet @ 164 are you really saying that HBA’s job was to mark Ciaran Clark, a centre back? Who would put ben arfa on clark? That’s bad management not Ben Arfa’s fault at all. Or do you mean to stop the cross? I was at the villa game and watched it live and I saw how poor simpson was but you carry on with your highlights. Of course, it should have been dealt with better in the box, but the point of a full back is usually to stop the cross. It wouldn’t have got into the box if we stopped the cross. Simpson never stops the cross. He backs off the crosser. Always.
And stats show did they?! Well ‘stats’ showed simpson to be the best right back in the league, yet he’s nowhere near the woeful England squad (Johnson and Walker are infront of him, two players notorious for not being able to defend, funny that!) why would Hodgson over look him if he was so good? Hodgson loves a defensive worker, yet Simpson can’t get a look in? If you could pick any premier league right back who would it be? I can bet it wouldn’t be mr stats simpson!
Whumpie @180 are you on drugs? “he bombs forward constantly, covers huge ground” are you serious? A headless chicken can do exactly the same.
When a player goes on loan to antwerp, blackburn, ipswich and sunderland and they all don’t want to sign him, alarm bells are ringing. He’s been average since we signed him in the fizzy season and hasn’t improved to me, and if we want to improve as a team it’s players like him we have to upgrade. I don’t care if he’s a nice lad and all that spiel I’ve read. I’m bothered about his footballing ability and being able to do it on the pitch and he’s not good enough for the next level.
Thanks for your effort danny but you have been well paid no matter how much you cry about your low wage you won’t get any sympathy from a majority working class fan base.
Solanostrumpet @ 185 3 million is not 750k though is it? And Pique wanted to leave and go back home, similar to fabregas. Pique is definitely good enough for Man Utd whereas Simpson is not. If anyone is clutching at straws it’s you.
@pardiola i think pique for 3 million is far worse than 750k for simmo.
Fergie never rated him which is why he never played. 21 with near no starts yet a world cup winner two years later.
Clearly Fergie makes mistakes too.
So which straws were these?
Re: the argument over Simmo’s wages – I assume the club are applying the same method to contract negotiations as they are to transfers. They have put an offer on the table, which they feel fairly represents Simpson’s value as a footballer and are not being panicked into offering him over the odds in order to avoid losing him for free.
The only reason the lad has not signed simply has to be because he thinks he is worth more than the club does. The present owners have already proven they are not afraid to pay a decent wage to a player in order to lengthen their stay here – just look at deals for Colo or Saylor for proof of that. Even Benny, whom they stumped up a large transfer fee and I assume, decent wages for – even though he was badly injured around that time. They will pay up if they think the player is worth it.
That begs the questions really: How much do Pards and the owners actually value Simpson themselves? After all, it is their opinion that really matters, being as they watch him train and play every day…
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@BD
I do recall Toonsy slating Steve Wraith and you’re right SW came on to defend himself.
I find the hatred towards him difficult to understand. He has the same concerns as me and is never sure when the next scandal is going to surface.
That’s only down to experiencing the cock ups by the the regime and therefore the regime are culpable.
Trust takes time.
We are all expressing our views on a public forum. Hypocritical IMO
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@Sharpy
Arrogant
me? 
@Pardiola
Also, nowhere have I said that Simpson is good enough for Man Utd. Georgio’s point was that “When did Ferguson last sell a player for £750k that was “outstanding?”” And I pointed out that for 2 million more Fergie sold a player that was a lot more than outstanding in the world class Pique.
Just because Fergie doesn’t rate a plaeer doesn’t mean he can’t perform elsewhere. Besides we should have moved past assessing our players based on their fee.
Troy Stavers says:
September 12, 2012 at 16:52
I find the hatred towards him difficult to understand. He has the same concerns as me
The reason you find the hatred towards him difficult to understand is becasue he shares your views
@Pardiola
“Carry on with your highlights” Poor way to validate a wrongful accusation.
Well I was at the Chelsea game and he was one of the better performers and neither of the goals were his fault
You can be stubborn and accuse Simmo of being at fault for every goal or you can watch the clip here: http://www.soccer-blogger.com/2012/09/02/newcastle-vs-aston-villa-1-1-highlights-september-2012-clark-ben-arfa-goal-video/
See at the start Colo and Saylor each have a man each in the centre. So Simmo needs to come in to mark the extra guy (which he does).
Second camera angle shows HBA meandering around not marking anyone when he should have tracked the runner.
In fact I would say Simpson is the least at fault for the goal as he is the only player actually trying to do anything. The rest of the players are stood doing eff all.
Simo was rated as one of the Best right backs in the league stat wise last season & out of the RB in the league he would be in the Top ten. He will get a Nice contract When he goes on free and we a better with him in the squad then without him.
Pardiola 186 -Get your facts right mate, after Simmo’s loan to the Scum he signed a three year contract with Manure. Or would you pick the scum over the best team in the league? I know some people are thick like but really…
Top 10 yes. Average then. Is this club looking at being average in the Prem or regular Top 6? Good squad player for future, but good enough to be considered on of league’s best?
Solano-194. Exactly what I saw. Bang on.
He has been good value over our transition period. However if we are to take the next step up in class as a club then no, I dont think he’s our man. Not as a 1st teamer anyway. If we are content being a mid table to 7 th ir 8th club year on year, then by all means sugn him up as 1st choice right back. He just lacks that bit of class and all round ability to ever make it big in my limited opinion.
Shamrock@189-Aye, the club have proved they’ll be as tight as they can and got us worried about the Staylor and especially the Colo deal. Colo was obviously vital though, if the club have a better player than Simmo lined up and don’t feel the need to keep him, fair enough i’ll trust their judgement.
This is onto a different topic though. I think most people on here would agree they would like an internatonal or cl class full back, who wouldn’t? It’s a completely different point as to why some fans just seem to want him dead.
Troy I would look over it if he had done something bad or something but as far as I can see like you say he’s just expressed his views and is entitiled to them like everyone else.
Johno @ 193 I don’t understand that because its basically like saying Troy and I would understand the hatred showed towards a fan if their opinion that they’re expressing was totally different to ours
Thats a bit like saying I would understand someone hating Wolfie or ST just because they have opposite views to me, and I can assure you that that wouldn’t be the case, I have had words with ST but I can assure you if someone came on here to abuse and show pure hatred towards him just because of his views, I would defend him because even though his views are different he still has a right to express them without fear of abuse and hatred.
Newkie @ 201 spot on I am a vocal defender of Simmo but offer me a top notch RB to replace him and i’ll have him tomorrow, but we don’t have anyone better and IMO we are weaker in other areas that I would prefer to see strengthened before RB
DAVE @202 i agree 100% your right for a change
Dave-Exactly mate
Ice you know you can agree with me because im normally right
Newkie
Dave@206….Don’t push it!
Thanks Dave, i know we’ve got each others backs deep down
DAVE your lass telt me your never reet
Reading through the comments on Ed’ stuff for the first time in ages, I’d swear 80% of the people were mackem trolls, just can’t see where they’d get their fun as there’s not actually any reasonable people to annoy
ST
I even try to defend Stardy when he’s getting shit from all angles 
I guess im just a good Samaritan 
Ice the only time i’m wrong in the house is when i’m not in
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@Big Dave
Couldn’t agree more regarding the SW issue.
You’re right about defending those who have different opinions. The vast majority on here are decent. There’s a lot of slagging comments but it’s not vicious and it’s expected on a forum as we don’t know each other.
I can think of one poisonous character on the whole blog and thats Toon Chicken.
Some are huffy, Aussie, Begas (but that might be an Aussie thing) and some are honest and deal with those they don’t like by explaining so and ignoring them, Icedog falls into that category.
But overall, I would defend any of them (bar TC) if someone came on and used unnecessary abuse towards one of them.
I have to say that Simpson incites a lot of argument and animosity. I have no ill will toward him, I just want the team to improve by bringing in a right back with more skill. The management must feel the same way because he isn’t being offered a good enough contract (at least in Simpson and his agents’ mind). I can see that he is not hopeless but attacks on his side are often much more successful. Granted his cover is not always as good as Santon’s is but he does back off too much and give the winger or overlapping left back a lot of space to operate in. I wish him well but can see his future being in a bottom 10 team next season.
Strumpet – I had to respond to your comment about Simpson, but found Pardiola had stolen my thunder. He gets it bang on @ 186.
Simmo’s defending was even worse than I remember. He gets beaten easily for the header and then has a leisurely stroll out to the winger with his hands behind his back. And I’m not having this new hands behind the back thing. Pathetic!
Then you come up with that video clip in support, and I spluttered at the screen
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@troystavers: @stevewraith speak your mind and be honest and those who have the same virtues will understand. Why worry about snipers.
Hopefully a new article soon? This subject is starting to show the wear marks. Looking at our coming schedule after Everton away we need to take points from Norwich (home) and Reading (away) to start climbing up the table. Our injury situation looks a bit ominous if Krul is out for any length of time, what with Raylor, Simpson, and Collo already out as well. Leaves us very thin indeed at the back. Who deserves playing time? Perch at LB and Santon at RB with Saylor and Willo in the middle? Or we could put Ferguson in at LB and Santon at RB, or Anita at RB and leave Santon at LB. Not desperate but don’t want to see Willo in there against stronger teams.
Alright lads,
I wanted to come on here before I head off up to the North East on Friday to move into my halls at Sunderland University. I might not post comments for a while as I’ll be settling in. Much like the last week or so as I have been packing for uni. Don’t worry though, I currently writing articles for Toonsy so that you’ll be able to read my thoughts and opinions.
On topic, I think Simpson is a hit and miss player. There are aspects of his game that are good but there are parts of it which he could improve. I would’ve liked him to have signed that contract that he was offered then you would’ve at least wouldn’t have doubts about if he was loyal to the club etc.
However I was impressed with Anita’s performance at RB in the Aston Villa game, I would like him to be given a chance in that position.
Geordietwo-The management and the owners are slightly different though, not sure Pards would play such hardball tactics. I do find it a little funny that some slaughtered the board for not giving Colo exactly what he wanted and tying up the deal asap when it was dragging on, but now some say that Simmo is being far too greedy and should accept whatever the board give him because he’s as useful as a dog, and any fan could do better.
I would agree Newkie. Not sure what Pardew thinks of Simpson. I think he wanted Debuchy in and it just seems to me we could have had him with a final serious offer. We’ve mucked French teams around too much now with lowball offers. We’re not talking about 15 or 20M pound deals here. I realize that is not going to happen with Ashley and probably rightly so. But when we miss out on an excellent player for as little as 1 or 2M pounds I just don’t understand it unless Debuchy was being wildly greedy with his wage demands. I don’t consider that likely as he is a good friend of Cabaye and would know our wage structure. Anyway we missed out and now we’re still arguing the merits of Simpson.
@B&B
As opposed to the rest of the players? Noone else even bothers jumping for the ball and maybe if HBA had “leisurely” strolled over to the blatantly free player he would have had more chance at blocking the cross.
Geordietwo the regime would have known what his wage demand would have been and no doubt his mate Cabaye would have let him know what type of money to expect before publically tapping in him up, IMO the club didn’t want to pay the market rate for him so moved on because they like to get bargain buys.
but I think your a bit rough on Aussie as after all he has a lot of crosses to bare and wombats to chase so I think you should make an excuse for him and cut him some slack 
Troy @ 212 yeah your right
Zoe best of luck and makesure to bring cleaning wipes everywhere with you, you don’t want to end up catching something nasty from the SMB’s
Dave: I have plenty of them already! Hoping on Monday that I can find a pub showing the game!
Zoe ,All the best at university ,I’m told plastic bags on the feet ward off contamination .
Dave @221
If I were her I’d carry an apple or something about wherever she goes, stupid people fear what they’re unfamiliar with.
Zoe
, makes them depressed after seeing there’s 
.
You could try, doubt there’d be many places showing it. The mackems hate seeing our silky football
@Andy I might go down to Newcastle instead, or my student’s union might have it on you never know.
Or I could be on a night out so…. depends what I do on Monday!
@Kim cheers mate, I’ll bear that in mind!
#their’s
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Zoe
Aye, could do. How long would it take to travel in? You should know that NUFC always comes before your social life
@Solanostrumpet
Trying to defend Simpson you just saying some stupid things. Pretending that the goal was HBA fault, it means that you really don’t know anything in football and tactically.
It is surely not a complete error of Simmo too, but in this occasion his initial place in the pitch is good but after that he must be more reactive when the long ball comes to go and try to block the cross. But Coloccini and especially Staylor was the most Incorrect in this action. they are just marking anyone in the box.
But for me Simmo is a honnest average right back in the league. But I can understand why he exasperates a lot of fans (and me to) is because of this ball control and he misses some simple pass at 3 meters. Furthermore if Benny gives him the ball, I don’t know why his first reflex is to put a long dead ball in the box instead of giving him back the ball. The long balls end with nothing almost all the time and that destroy completely our game. Exceptionnally Ba or Cisse are able to win 3 duals in the box and score from an impossible position. But if he can stop this dead balls and manage to give some good short passes, I think fans will stop slating him
Strumpet – We’re debating the merits of Simmo here.
I don’t find it persuasive to bring Benny into it when your video clip shows some stinking defending by Simmo. I hope your not a real life defence lawyer. Anyway, deflecting the blame onto poor Benny, who was probably doing his best to track back after terrorising their defence by himself, is a bit harsh.
I’ve said earlier that in the spurs game we were lucky that Bale didn’t score from that free header he had when Simmo was caught ball watching.
I agree with Newkie that for some reason Simmo gets unfairly blamed too often, and I tend not to knock him too much. All I’m saying is lets not kid ourselves about him either. If we wanted to improve on our first 11, he’d be the first casualty.
Andy
On the metro it’s just under twenty minutes so not too bad! Of course it should come before my social life!
HBA39 – I reckon you’re in love with Benny.
I really like him a lot, but I reckon you’re in love. Would you… you know let him, you know, like the fans would let Colo?
@Solanostrumpet
You’re right about Simmo’s useless high punts in the general direction of the box too.
“Trying to defend Simpson you just saying some stupid things.” That’s a classic, HBA39.
When I read your posts HBA39 I find I’m speaking a foreign language in my head. What is it? Sounds like Spanish to me.
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@Big Dave
I won’t give Aussie any slack until he’s big enough to admit he had a hissy fit.
For everyone who slated the scousers as being a disgrace over the Hillsboro disaster, including Toonsy, (this is not a vendetta against our blog master but he is often vocal about the scousers and how much he hates them) hang your heads in shame.
I seem to have been alone throughout this issue in supporting the fans over this.
I’ve been proven right.
Don’t blame the Liverpool fans blame the police of the day!
An utter disgrace by the authorities!
Anyone wish to accept they called it wrong?
I won’t hold my breath.
B&b – he has wanted as much for a long time. Every argument of his is geared towards supporting the Benny cause. As soon as he transfers away, we’ll hear no more from the bloke. Troy, I dont like the bindippers because they are elitist despite being no better than Spurs, Everton or us in recent years. They need a dose of reality. Re; hillsborough, life On mars springs to mind. Those liars should have their pensions revoked.
Troyer – The establishment has been withholding information for nearly a quarter of a century. How does that happen when families have been searching so long for answers? The police, the politicians, and Kelvin McKenzie are an absolute disgrace.
I haven’t read the report. Were you mentioned?
I note the first thing you make of today’s news, Troyer, is that you’ve been proven right.
Shamrock – HBA39, he’s priceless!
I imagine his bedroom is full of HBA posters – a glorious, fitting shrine to the mercurial Parisian.
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@B&B
I got a mention on News at Ten for the way I defended the good folk of Liverpool on this site whilst the ignorant bigots slated them.
They know who they are, it’s just whether they are big enough to hold their hands up.
I know you don’t like scousers but I don’t recall you blaming them for Hillsboro but many did.
Liverpool is a great football club and held in far bigger esteem than NUFC worldwide. Deservedly so IMO .
They now find themselves in a similar situation as us, fallen from grace and they will have to deal with it.
One of the greatest sights and sounds of football worldwide is the Kop singing NWA with their scarves held high.
Great club!
RIP HILLSBORO FALLEN!
As much as I hate Liverpool as a club and a fair share of their fans, I’ve never disrespected them over the Hillsborough affair. Bit before my time anyway, so I don’t really have much of an opinion on it. The police, many politicians and the Sun, along with many other media groups are absolute bastards. No surprise there then.
HBA is a funny lad. I’m still stuck between wondering whether he’s a Frenchie (which would excuse the grammar/spelling) obsessed with the career of Benny and simply follows him from club to club, or whether he’s a Mackem trying to troll us (which would again, explain the poor English)
Zoe-Good luck at Uni. Should be the safest part of Sunderland, can’t imagine many locals know where it is or even knew they had one. Don’t mention you write here though
Newkie – Thanks! Haha, I’ll try not to mention that I write here
@B&B
Actually my original post on this thread @164
(Which looking back is actually in response to you at 117..!)
IS in response to someone (you) blaming Simmo for the Villa goal.
Maybe you should accept that you can’t blame Simpson for every goal at that in that instance there were a lot more culpable players
Seriously, you can say “trying his best to track back” but the evidence is there that he wasn’t.
@HBA
If so, in my eyes you lose all credibility as a defenders job first and foremost is to defend. Which Simpson is better than average at.
I’m sorry to make a massive assumption but I’m guessing you think Santon was better last season than Simpson
I might give myself a Troy-esq disclaimer: IF YOU THINK SANTON WAS BETTER THAN SIMPSON IN THE SEASON 2011/2012 THAN I DON’T CARE ABOUT YOUR VIEWS ON OUR DEFENCE
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When you walk through a storm
Hold your head up high
And don’t be afraid of the dark.
At the end of the storm
There’s a golden sky
And the sweet silver
Song of a lark.
Walk on through the wind
Walk on through the rain
Though your dreams
Be tossed and blown.
Walk on
Walk on
With hope in your hearts
I And you’ll never walk alone
You’ll never walk alone
Walk on! Walk on!
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Toonsy;
April 29th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
I hate Liverpool
I hate how the media cream themselves over these ‘great European nights’
I hate Gerry and the Pacemakers
I hate how the camera pans the crowd to see them singing
I hate Anfield
I hate Steven Gerrard
I hate the banners in the Kop that rattle on about things nearly 50 years old
I hate Liverpool fans
I hate Liverpool fans who are clearly glory supporters
I hate Phil Thompson, big nosed tw@t
I hate how nothing else matters to the big nosed dismissive tw@t
I love Hicks and Gillett
I would love them even more if they put Liverpool out of business.
I hate how the world has to stop for Hillsborough, a tragic accident. Yet they shrug off Heysel, caused by themselves, and took them 20 years to apologise for!
I hate the excuse that Benitez has had no money to spend, nearly £300 million is pennies isn’t it? He bought rubbish, deal with it.
I hate Gerrard
I hate whoever the commentator is on Channel 5! I think it may be Graham Taylor who less than a minute into the game mentioned those “special Europen nights”
I hate Jamie Carragher, cheat.
I hate Rafa’s pink shirt, it clashes with his red cheeks.
I hate Sammy Lee. He looks like a burns victim.
If I think of anymore I’ll let you know
Solano
For me, defensively, the Simmo/Santon comparison is an open and shut case. Simpson is better, it’s backed up in almost every match as well as statistically. Also bearing in mind Santon plays the majority with Jonas (hardest working) and Colo (best defender) as opposed to Simmo who plays with Staylor or Williamson, and then Ben Arfa. I mean come on.
I do like Santon, he’s got great potential to exceed Simpson and he’s an exciting player to watch, far more exciting than Simpson of course. That being said, he’s an inferior defender plain and simple.
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@Toonsy;
How’s about apologising for stating Hillsboro was a tragic accident.
To be fair Troy, I think his Hillsborough point is valid. He acknowledges that it was a tragic event, but it was an accident caused by incompetence. Heysel barely registers these days, yet it was caused by direct, nasty actions and arguably altered the shape of many clubs futures. (eg Oxford would have played in Europe)
@Newkie
Yeah exactly, Santon has the potential to be 10 x the player Simpson is. But especially last season, he’s just been nowhere near as good defensively
@Troy
It was an accident though
The disgrace is the lies and the covering up of the media/government/police and the accusations leveled against the fans.
To me it was still an accident though. It’s not like the police intentionally caused it.
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Shame on you Trumpet!
@Troy
I think how it was covered up was truly abhorrent, but my heart still wants to believe that the police tried to handle the overcrowdedness the best they could on the day but were just too shit and incompetent.
I do want to see some repercussions for the lying though.
Woah yeah. Troy-you think the rozzers intended to kill fans? Not sure about that like.
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@Trumpet
I should have rephrased my question.
Toonsy, why shouldn’t the world stop to remember the Hillsboro tragedy?
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@Newkie & Trumpet
No I don’t believe for a second the police intentionally caused the disaster.
However, Toonsy needs to acknowledge his strange hatred for scousers has clouded his judgement over his remarks on Hillsboro.
He’s not the only one but I selected Toonsy cos he openly displays his hatred for all things Liverpool.
@Troy
Fair.
I think you’re being harsh on toonsy though. I don’t think he’s saying people shouldn’t remember Hillsborough, just that more thought should be given to Heysel as well?
I’d agree with that anyway
.Night!
Big Dave from earlier on; thanks for kind of, partially, attempting to watch my back against troys vicious attack
It’s the type of kind act my mate Ice would do for me 
From the urban dictionary – Stavers ; a hypocritical person who suffers from selective memory loss.
One last point about Simmo to steer the convo back on topic, I genuinely think he loves playing for the club. Only ever has good stuff to say, model pro, celebrates like mad when we score and when we save and he got proper stuck in to that Mclean twat on Derby day
People say he backs off, but he battered that pikey that day 
Would be interested to see what he/the club have to say if he does get sold/goes on a free, what he was demanding/if it was over how it was paid and all that malarky..not that either camp would be trustable like
The way I see it is that Simmo does a lot more right than wrong on the park and is a solid defender.. I am happy to have him in the team each week.. He very rarely goes missing when things get tough. Even the best defenders make positional errors and gaffs so it is a bit harsh to single out Simmo all the time. I hope he stays…
Troy Stavers
September 12, 2012 at 23:50
“@Toonsy;
How’s about apologising for stating Hillsboro was a tragic accident.”
How does get fucked suit?
A tragic accident (which I said in the quote you dug out) is a tragic accident regardless of whether it was police incompetence or a great big meteor falling out of the sky that caused it.
Where did I say that the world SHOULDN’T stop to remember Hillsborough? Shpw me that direct quote as I have zero interest in anything else you’ll try and come out with, Go on, dig it up. What I was saying is that why is there no similar movement for those who tragically died at Heysel as a direct result of the actions of Liverpool fans inside the ground?
Seems they aren’t so quick to remember that.
Which is my point entirely….
Toonsy – Touche’
see my post at 255, it explains everything 
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@Toonsy
I accept your explanation and meaning of your post.
I don’t accept your perverse hatred of all things Liverpool.
Get over yourself mate……
Aussie I told you I would watch your back
and I did tell you the other day when you said sorry to Troy for taking a massive hissy fit that he hadn’t been on and mightn’t see it, and that you should have waited till he was about. Looks like I was right again lad because I think Troy has missed it. But maybe now you’ll know in future to take your uncle Daves advice you young wombat 
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@Big Dave
Is that right Aussie accepted he went in a huge hissy fit?
Anyone big enough to acknowledge that deserves credit and forgiveness.
Is that right Aussie?
But maybe now you’ll know in future to take your uncle Daves advice
I think that would be the blind leading the blind mate
it was right from the heart Troyster
Aussie you know i’ll try to keep you right
I’m with Toonsy on this one.
Just because a tradgedy has befallen a group or club in the past. Doesn’t give them the right or excuse them from acting as wankers in the present.
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@Aussie
Where can I find it? Which thread?
@JJ
Liverpool have apologised for Hysel.
All they’ve been seeking is an apology for Hillsboro.
Is that being a wanker or have I misunderstood?
Not telling Troy, go find it… and your being a wanker
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