His sending off will be debated amongst fans for some time yet. Some say it wasn’t that bad and was a yellow at best, some will cite other incidents within the match (namely Seb Larsson’s clavicle kick on Shola Ameobi) that went unpunished whilst others will suggest that the referee pandered to the him crowd and failed to apply any common sense. There is also a portion of fans who believe the right decision was made at the time and that Tiote has nobody but himself to blame.
For me it was probably a harsh card but I can see why he was given it. I understand fully that the whistle had blown for a free-kick to us just prior to the incident and that Tiote was being pulled back after that, but then it just becomes an off the ball incident or, as has been indicated by the FA, violent conduct which carries with it a three game suspension.
None of what happened yesterday matters now It’s been and gone and it seems as though Alan Pardew and his coaching team, none of whom have questioned the red card, seem unlikely to appeal Tiote’s dismissal. Perhaps that is the biggest clue as to whether or not the red card was a worth punishment for the infringement?
However it can’t continue to happen. Cheik Tiote is getting himself a reputation and will be treat accordingly by officials. He will be targeted by opposing teams so if he wants to continue being an important part of our team then he needs to wise up and realise that he can’t go charging round like a bull in a china shop.
The problem is that aggression is part of Cheik Tiote’s game and if you take that out then you may well lose a bit of what Cheik Tiote is all about. All the same it is something that needs curbing as it is going to end up costing us more and more. People will mention Roy Keane, who Manchester United tried to calm down but soon gave up when they realised that by trying to calm him they took away a part of the player, and there are similarities, but for me they end there. Remember Roy Keane had world-class players able to fill the void his madness left behind. We don’t.
It’s not just about red cards though. Tiote has racked up the suspension since he has been at Newcastle United. He averages a yellow card every other game which equates to 19 in the Premier League alone and would be enough to see him miss six games through yellow card suspensions without any further through red card infringements.
Is that acceptable? Is that enough discounting any injuries or participation in mid-season competitions such as the African Cup of Nations,for us to paper over with our squad? Probably now we have Gael Bigirimana, James Perch and Vurnon Anita, but we need all of our purples on the pitch at one time if we want to push on, and Tiote is that category.
He just needs to chill a bit I reckon. Anyone agree?
Yes, until Bigi develops a bit more, then he will be playing in our midfield and England’s.
BigiBigiBigi,can’t you see you’re just a mini Cheick Tioteeeee(Quote)
I think the aggression is a staple part of Tiotes play, not only does he leave his mark, he also ensures that the opposing players around him that they could soon be in for a rough tackle if they hold the ball too long, which leads to bad passes or losing possession.
He’s only had 1 red card remember.. I don’t really think he has a discipline issue. Fair enough he’s had a few yellows, but a lot of people seem to forget that it’s his job in the team to break up play and put a tackle in.
I’d be quite interested to see his disciple stats against other CDMs in the league.. If only I wasn’t so lazy….
Daverism(Quote)
The calls to “cash in on him” are ridiculous imho. He has been sent off twice in his time here, One of them at stevenage was a ludicrous decision where he blatantly won the ball and even yesterdays is being debated by some (not me)
It was daft but thats why we signed him. We cant take away his aggresive tackling and hassling opposition players, He would be nigh on useless to us if we did. He just needs to curb his temper in situations like yesterday. Give him the bollocking and fine he deserves and then lets just move on.
Onwards and upwards, Top 6 by crimbo with martys party bringing up the rear (what a fucking shower)
CC(Quote)
I didn’t see it as a red card and the ref was behind it all. He didn’t see it clearly. The player with the best view was Shola and he went ape **** at the decision. Having said that I wasn’t surprised but I thought it’d be a yellow.
Tiote’s a hell of a player but surprisingly I actually think Perch fits our team better. He is so improved over the last year. Has he sneaked into a purple without anyone noticing?
Still gutted with the equaliser!
georgio(Quote)
Tiote was late and high there is no doubt. However, when someone is pulling a player back it stands to reason that he is going to be late getting to the “party” and being as you say off balance, pulled back from the shoulders, makes it impossible to keep the challenging foot on the deck. Yes he should have pulled out of the challenge but the ball had been his until he was fouled and Tiote was never going to give it up readily. In that intensity he probably never heard the whistle. A little common sense from the ref and a yellow and a word would have been the sensible option, particularly in light of some of the Sunderland challenges – 5 cards to zero can’t stand up to scrutiny can it?.
On another topic – we must have done something right because Le Tissier (pleased he can’t ref our games!) eventually started giving us some credit towards the end. That must be a first for him.
Finally Collo was immense but a big shout out for Williamson who also had a great game.
ballerfan2(Quote)
Just actually had a quick look, Song was on 9 yellows last season, Barry was on 9, Scott Parker on 8…
So they all appear to be around the same ball-park figure as Tiote, who was on 11 last season
Daverism(Quote)
CC, the calls to cash in are simply obscene. He’s one of the best CDM’s in the league, and he’s only what? 26?
Daverism(Quote)
Off topic but can’t resist – Collo’s the best defender we’ve ever had. Only Woodgate comes anywhere near.
georgio(Quote)
Daverism – Agreed. No way is this a problem that selling him would solve. However we aren’t getting the best of Tiote if he is a) attracting the attention of the ref and b) haing to tread on eggshells after 20 minutes on each game because he’s earned an early yellow card which takes the edge off him and his performance.
toonsy(Quote)
I dont think any of us really want him sold. Thats ridiculously over the top.
BUT, we cant afford to have him keep picking up yellow and red cards.
He has got to learn how far he can and cant go.
Ihave watched it again today, and tbh I think a red card was the wrong decision. Certainly a yellow tho, but the ref buckled to the scum fans and fletchers over reaction.
once again tho, inconsistency from the ref, spoils a good game
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Tiote plays in a position that will always attract yellow cards and unfortunately the way of modern day football is that players will go down far too easier. Yesterdays challenge was a foul, but let’s be right, you’d have thought he had broke Fletchers leg the way he went on. That said, Tiotes reaction to Sesspools slap last season wasn’t much better like.
No way Tiote is in the league of the likes of Cattermole or De Jong when it comes to discipline, but he does need to be a bit more wise in his decision making.
His ban is a shame coz I think what he needs at the mo is a run of games to get back to the pace of it all.
I think we could live without him if a £25m bid did come in, but to sell him coz of discipline reason would be mental!!. He’s a top player, who needs game time.
Georgio – I’d defo seconded that mate, having been a CB in my playing days, Colo is just a joy to watch – pure class!.
He seems like a lad who just wants to play football and stay out of the limelight and all the transfer talk and paper talk unsettles him a bit.
I think he looked his best last season playing in the 3 man midfield with Cabaye and Jonas
Sharpy17(Quote)
Never mind Tiote being a liability. What about Cabaye and his frequent poor corners and free kicks? If he hadn’t dropped another one woefully short, Williamson wouldn’t have needed to get booked, and the makems wouldn’t have fluked one.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
DAVE will love this thread 😀 😀 to me the club has to go with there best team its pardew job to do that,yes he has that daft edge in him but take that away and your left with a poorer player,its like asking a striker to stop scoreing and play more as a goal maker,its not going to happen love him or hate him we got im and until we get another player of PL quailty i like to think a lot of players are a touch wary of him we tend to forget he has played some top games,he put the willys up m/u and the gunners last season fans were saying how good a player he was,he hasnt played well imo this season give him time i say
icedog(Quote)
@Daverism 6
Parker played 32 league games. Song/Barry played 34, TEN more than Tiote.
Also all had 40+ games in all comps compared with Tiote’s 24.
I actually love how he plays, and if he left would like to see someone that plays in a similar way to replace him. But he’s made of glass. No point trying to build a team around someone that misses so many games.
Definite 13 games missed this season. That’s not including any other injuries/suspensions. I don’t think he’ll play 20 league games this season.
I seem to be basically alone in wanting to sell Tiote, I think I’m just being a realist though. We know Ashley won’t splash on first teamers unless a player is sold.
So who would you rather have:
Tiote for 25 games a year
Debuchy/1st team winger-forward/back up left back
(not including centre back as Ashley should have bought that position regardless of sales)
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
B&B
I agree, these sorts of things can be practised repeatedly at training so that we get a floating pass into the box each time. We shouldn’t be having this problem.
Andymag(Quote)
The guy is a red card on legs, even when he got carded at manure he lost the plot, it seems to me that he hasn’t learnt at all even from a game just after Pards took over when he got a yellow and still ran around like a headless chicken, so Pards had no choice but to take him off before the ref done it for him.
Pards said after that game that he would need to learn that in the Prem you don’t get away with it.
I said it yonks ago that his lack of discipline will cost us a game and it has, and I will say it again he will cost us another game.
For me even Perch is better in that he has learned to control himself, he doesn’t get injuried as much, and we don’t lose him to the acon.
Yeah I know the ref was a bit quick but most pundits including big Al all agreed that the tackle was a red, our manager didn’t complain that he got a red, but some of our fans don’t see it as a red ?.
I would bet if that was a mackem made the tackle the same fans would be up in arms calling him a thug that should be banned.
Big Dave(Quote)
@solanostrumpet
Fair play, has record isn’t as equal to the others as i thought. Nice stat tekkers!
Daverism(Quote)
Yes Tiote is his own worst enemy. He has to learn to keep his studs down. All he had to do was stop playing as soon as the foul was called against him and the whistle blew. If he can’t get his game under control this season it will put the club in a difficult position. He definitely misses too many games with injuries and suspensions but I don’t think Pards has given up on him yet. Bigi could be 3 or 4 years away from being a top Prem player. Maybe we’re rounding into form though. It was good to see Krul back in goal and Colo in front of him. Now can we get Cisse going in the Europa games? I would imagine he will start against Brugge?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
If that’s a red card, football will be done away with. It was never a red for years, has only recently been deemed by some to be one, and has no business being a red card. How much more sanitised is this game going to get?
It looks like the authorities are eventually seeing sense over goal line technology, even though rugby has had it for years. Have we also got to wait years for one of Rugby’s other common sense developments, the sin bin? Why on earth does someone get a yellow card for putting your player out of the game, and the punishment is to stop them playing against your rivals? Absolute madness!
Let’s go back to the 70’s, develop in a different direction with goal line technology and a sin bin, and get rid of the unaccountable gnomes who make up the silly rules. Some say Tiote’s challenge didn’t deserve any punishment, whilst others said it was a yellow or a red. There would be far less controversy if he had spent 20 minutes in a sin bin.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
I don’t think its a problem we need to work around as we already seem to have some decent deputies and potential replacement players in Bigi and Anita, although I do agree it would be nice if he could “chill out”, just not sure he’s capable of it.
As for not challenging the decision, we tried that with the last one at Stevenage which wasn’t really a red either, certainly wasn’t dirty in the slightest and that got denied, so we’d only keep his challenge in the headlines longer and do his rep more harm. It’s quite clear the f.a won’t cut us any slack, just like Atkinson never does.
Newkie(Quote)
ST-I know what you’re getting at and if we sold anyone I’d sell him, but that’s for a number of reasons, mainly being that DM is a position you can often get by without (if we change our style) but we also have a huge number of players who can play there, even if they aren’t top notch yet.
But I don’t think we’ll get 25mil for him, I doubt we’d get 20 mil for him and I wouldn’t want to sell him for much less, I can only see Manure wanting him in this country but I doubt they’d splash that much on him
Newkie(Quote)
I see it like this he went to clear the ball he was pulled back so fletcher got there first, the ball was gone and its difficult to pull out when youve already swung your foot it was a yellow at best and I think the ref was **** all game for both sides, it wasn’t as bad when watching the replay I thi k they should apeal and see what happens.
Martnos(Quote)
B & B. Nice sentiments, (re sin bin) but you and I both know it probably will never happen. Well not in our lifetime anyway. 😈
Regarding Tiote, I and others said just before kick off, that it was vital he kept control of himself. I cant believe Pardew and the coaches haven’t been trying to get the same message thru to him. He just doesn’t learn, or is incabable of controling himself. Clearly he is a good DCM but this side of his game is letting him and the other players down.
Agree with the comments about Perch. He was magnificent yesterday, some great defensive work and tackling from the lad. And he has clearly learnt from his mistakes of picking up 5 yellows in a row.
Perch is an unsung hero and massively under appreciated by too many fans, yet he has done a reamarkable job for the team, no matter where he has been asked to play. Could well be a future club legend if he carries on the way he is doing. 😯
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
BB-I think if you stuck Perch back as a full back he’d start picking up the cards again…not 5 in 5 for sure, but when he’s getting skinned he’ll often stick a leg out, sometimes unnecessarily and he’ll duly get carded. DM is definitely his best position, where he can read the game and then bide his time for the tackle which he is great at doing.
However, you can’t compare him to Tiote for me, he doesn’t have the same hassling’/tenacious approach and I think Tiote has better vision. I do like him, and cult hero I can understand, but club legend? 😆
Newkie(Quote)
I agree Newkie, Perch is NOT a CB or FB really, but he has done well and given his all in those positions. Has he cost us a game tho? i dont think so.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
I’m sorry, but this hard man personna that Tiote has, doesn’t cut the mustard for me. If he needs the MrT look to intimidate other players, then it doesn’t say much for his football skills.
I’d be telling him to get a hair cut, but hey ho, each to their own. 😎
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Beardsley-I would say so, the game against Stoke where he scored the own goal to let them win 2-1 at SJP. We weren’t great but looked comfortable for the draw, if we’re going to blame Tiote for this then I’d blame him for that…
Newkie(Quote)
Tiote’s reputation proceeds him I’m afraid. If Cabaye, or Colback had have made that challenge yesterday it may have resulted in a yellow but as it was Tiote the ref assumed it must have been vicious – which of course it wasn’t.
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Newkie
If Perch can make a run from CM like he did yesterday before putting Ba through on goal (pass was a bit too strong unfortunately), don’t need toto’s vision if you’ve got that. 😉
In all seriousness I think we need to think about letting Tiote go. I’m not saying advertise him to other clubs but if a club comes in with 18m+ then let him go. It’ll provide money for new signings to improve the club and no doubt Carr has a midfield enforcer ready to come in whilst Bigi gets used to PL life.
Andymag(Quote)
Bigirimana also has similar hair, I really don’ think either of them are trying to be hard men, I think they like their hair how it is. You could say the same about Ba and Cisse with shaven heads, are they trying to be like Vin Diesel? 😆
Sorry BB-i’m not picking on you, just you’re the only one on here who’s talking! 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Ha ha. No probs Newkie.
btw, no player likes or even tries to score an OG. So i discount that comment straight away. Do you blame Ba for yesterdays OG ❓
If Tiote starts wearing dozens of gold chains round his neck, then I will seriously “pity the fool”
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Andy-Yeah, but that’s a single instance, how many other good passes has he made? When Tiote is on his game he can dribble it around, past and even through players and is a great player to kick off our counter attacks as he can sprint with the ball. Perch can’t. He’s a good player but its all down to simplicity with Perch, and if we’re playing 4-4-2 with only one winger then we need more threat from the centre….his ball for Ba against Reading was absolutely sublime, if that had been Mata or Scholes the whole league would have been drooling over it.
Newkie(Quote)
“….his ball for Ba against Reading was absolutely sublime, if that had been Mata or Scholes the whole league would have been drooling over it.”
“-Yeah, but that’s a single instance, how many other good passes has he made? ”
😆
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Tiote defo sails a bit close to the wind for me ,I feel nervous when he goes on one in a game and to be fair he is a bit injury prone it would seem. He would be a loss if sold but not irreplacable imo as Perch has proved himself an able deputy as a dmf and doesn’t seem quite so rash in the tackle. Regarding Tiotes red card yesterday however harsh it may seem if your studs are up and you connect, then 9 times out of 10 you are gonna go.
KIMTOON(Quote)
ok ok I agree, when he is on his game, he is the best we have. But he has just got to stop letting himself down with his indiscipline. We need him playing not watching. Thats all I’m gonna say on it now.
Looking forwards now to Thursday neet. 😛
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Beardsley-but surely that’s the same as Tiote-he doesn’t try or want to get sent off does he? Perch ran in and scored an unbelieveable header, Ba had it knocked into his chest and it trickled past a wrongfooted Krul. Ba also had a good game whereas Perch was ***** in that one-granted it was a long time ago, but Perch is a defender who’s supposed to know how to get it out of danger, Ba is supposed to know how to put it in the back of the net, and he did his job to perfection 😆
Newkie(Quote)
@33-I’ve said in a lot of our games this season that I thought Tiote’s delivery had improved a lot, he’s been an asset going forward in most games he’s played.
Newkie(Quote)
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The more I watch the Tiotes tackle from the front view camera, it looks less serious.
Tiote actually tries to side foot the ball and Fletcher swings his leg forward which collides with Tiotes studs.
Tiote doesn’t leave his foot there or stamp down. In fact he turns his head away and looks to see where the ball goes.
Shearer and all the TV pundits say it was a blatant red but I really can’t see it.
It certainly was borderline but considering the occasion and the passion of the players and the fact Tiote had not been warned prior to this, then the ref called it wrong for me.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Yeah no more arguing, I’m gunna go watch Purely Belter 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Troy-Yeah I was the same, I didn’t think it was a red during the match but I thought it could have been borderline, after seeing the replay and then watching motd last night I just can’t see it, yellow at best.
Newkie(Quote)
After the ManU game, Ferguson quite cleverly shifted the focus away from Van Persie by highlighting Tiotes late challenge on one of his players and I think that was probably in Atkinsons tiny brain before the game, but also Tiote himself has made himself a marked man and I would have thought the coaching staff would have prepared him better for this with all that in mind.
The fact odds were being offered on him being red carded before the game says it all i suppose, it was a yellow card offence at best but he has a reputation now and unless he sorts himself out, he will a target for whistle happy refs, unless Ferguson signs him and he will be protected like Rooney and co.
Robert(Quote)
Newbie – Bigi loves hair that much he owns his own salon in Coventry. True fact lol
toonsy(Quote)
Troy and Newkie I don’t want to go on and on about this but just one question if that was McClean that made that tackle on Ba can you’s honestly say you’s would agree that at most it would have been a yellow ?
Big Dave(Quote)
Big D – more to the point, the refs inconsistency. Why was Larson not booked at least for the high kick on Shola’s chest??
Oh its ok he was going for the ball 😯
Dangerous play surely?
Fucking refs **** me off. 👿 👿 👿
All we want is a fair playing field.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Toonsy-really 😯
That’s quality…shame it’s in coventry, otherwise I might pop down and get my hair done like him, so I can be a hard man 😀
Dave-I answered your cattermole one and what I said was yes I’d be asking for the red but I certainly wouldn’t be expecting it. If McClean got one I’d be happy and I’d have a chuckle at the fact that he got hard done by.
Newkie(Quote)
And yeah I agree with Beardsley. If Tiote was off then Larrson should have been off.Personally, I’d have sent neither of them off, but if he’s going to be ridiculously harsh then he should be to all sides, and I’d have less of a problem with it.
Newkie(Quote)
BB I agree that Larrson should have been given a yellow,but that doesn’t excuse Tiote, the lad has had long enough to sort himself out but he has failed to learn unlike Perch he was a red card waiting to happen at 1st but the guy learnt what he can and can’t do, as I said take for example the way Tiote reacted in the manure match when the decision didn’t go his way 😯 he was like a man out of control. I would bet my life that if Tiote doesn’t sort himself out real soon he will end someones career or else put them out for a very long time. For me that’s not what footie is about and I won’t be a hypocrite and say that other teams players were reckless, thug’s or out of control etc but then turn a blind eye to our own. I will never shy away from saying what I think about our own players
Big Dave(Quote)
Newkie @ 45 so you admit then your a hypocrite ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave
-the reaction was ott, but again it was the wrong decision and Tiote is a passionate player. So Tiote hasn’t learned over two seasons like Perch….what do you think about Steven Taylor and his elbows then? 8 years in the premier league and he still does it, not only could he end someones career he could actually kill someone, what’s your opinion on that 😐
Newkie(Quote)
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@BD
If it had been a Sunderland player, of course I would have been off my seat shouting and bawling for a Red. But looking at it sensibly, I genuinely believe it wasn’t a Red for the reasons explained above.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Dave-If you’ve never been angry and disputed a decision in the heat of the moment then your a bloody saint mate. Or are you referring to the chuckle at McClean? It’s not hypocritical because I’d still criticise the ref for making the wrong decision, and because its the wrong one I would chuckle at McClean’s misfortune and the refs shocking decision.
Newkie(Quote)
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Sorry , and to clarify, that even if it had been a Sunderland player, I don’t believe it deserved a straight Red.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Xisco scores a hat trick…new striker = found?
NorCal Toonfan(Quote)
Norcal-we’ve only got him for the rest of the season, imagine if we actually played him now and he played well for us 🙄 😆
Newkie(Quote)
aye xisco is playing for a new contract. 😯
rofl 😆
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
stranger things have happened at NUFC. I wouldn’t be surprised if he actually got a new contract.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Norcal @53 ,Well that’s just typical, now he starts performing 🙄
KIMTOON(Quote)
Obviously any new deal wouldn’t be for the wage he’s on now. But what a day for him. Apparently he’s trending in the UK as well on Twitter…how funny. I still wouldn’t mind seeing him suit up a time or two for the first team. Maybe he can feature in the Europa League games.
NorCal Toonfan(Quote)
This is interesting if you can open the link
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20028100
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Well Lads I guess we’ll agree to disagree , because I honestly believe that he is out of control and will cost us more games, and like Big Al and others I believe he deserved the red.
Newkie as for the Taylor elbow I have seen him do that twice maybe 3 times and yes he should have been booked for it, but to me Tiote is out of control in 2-3 games out of 4 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
BB @ 59 it seem’s like Perch thinks it was a red aswell 😀
“I saw it live obviously, and if I’m right you can’t go round doing that,” Perch added.
“It was a red card I think, from my first view, I’d have to look at it again but it was just a bad tackle.”
Big Dave(Quote)
apparently Xisco will be on the bench on thursday. 😮
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
aye Dave, seems it looked worse than it was, being as fletcher played on. 👿
Deffo not good value that. 😮
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Did you’s see the fan attacking the keeper in the Owls Vs Leeds game apparently he only got a 4 month ban ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
BB @ 62 😕 😕 I think there must be something in his contract that if he plays over a certain amount of games we must have to pay more ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
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@BD
Shola saw it live also and I imagine he would disagree. He was furious.
Pardew has come out today and said he thought it was a bit harsh.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Dave-you’ve only seen him do it to or three times? He does it season after season. He’s already done it once this season and I’m sure he will continue to do so, considering its a straight red if he gets caught he is also running the risk and I think its quite hypocritical to chastise one player for his actions whilst turning a blind eye to another player….
Newkie(Quote)
Shola is usually cool as a cucumber, even on Derby day and is a proper professional and he was absolutely outraged. There’s certainly no consensus.
Newkie(Quote)
Troy I did say it could have been a bit harsh but Tiote knows the rep he’s got and should try not to give the ref any reason, but he doesn’t learn and as I said before take the way he got on in the manure match yeah you could say that shows the passion but you could also say he was out of control 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
Newkie > turning a blind eye ?? how do you work that one out ❓
Did you not read what I said @ 60
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave-I did, but you yourself are going on about learning from mistakes, sometimes you do get accidental collisions including elbows but there’s been times when he’s looked up to track them and smashed them, shouldn’t Pardew stamp that out of his game too? I assumed you were turning a blind eye because you say you’ve only seen him do it 2/3 times, but maybe you just didn’t see the same matches as me.
Newkie(Quote)
My twopennith worth is that Tiote does his job very well. Yes he gets lots of yellows, but is that not his first straight red. If he was out of control then for me he would have more reds.
IMHO He is clearly the best CDM that we have and as such he is needed for the big games. Perhaps we need to be clever managing his inevitable suspensions.
Having said that when he was not available last season and Guthrie played in his place he was not badly missed. Hopefully we have cover developing.
As to the red technically it was, although I was a bit surprised it was given. I certainly would not class that as a dangerous tackle. He certainly is not a dirty player in the 70’s sense of the word. He is not an embarrassment to the team. I don’t have a problem with him.
Premandup(Quote)
Newkie as I said I have seen him do it 2-3 times over the last 3-4 season, so I can’t turn a blind eye to something I haven’t seen, and if you’ve seen him do it more well then I must have missed it because I don’t think you’ve seen any games that I haven’t ❓ unless the incident hasn’t been highlighted and you have seen it live ❓ .
But I will say that yes sometimes you do get accidental collisions including elbows etc but I am talking about near every game Tiote is walking a thight rope and even when he gets an early yellow he still doesn’t reign it in
Big Dave(Quote)
From sky sports: O’Neill: Extra man provided no advantage. Martin O’Neill believes Cheik Tiote’s first-half dismissal hindered Sunderland as they became anxious on the ball.
What a crock of ****. 😛
They were most likely anxious because they were losing 0-1 at home with a clueless manager on the sideline.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
if im right in thinking did Pards leave him out of the last 3-4 games of the season so that he wouldn’t pick up another yellow and get himself banned for the start of last season ??
Big Dave(Quote)