Granted we weren’t at our best and you could see we were tired after our Europa League exploits. You could also see we were missing some influential players, namely Yohan Cabaye, but defeat was still hard to take even after considering all of that.
What sticks in my throat more than anything is the ineptitude of the referee. I’m still struggling to get my head around it in truth and serious questions need asking about giving officials the help they clearly need when you look at the performances of Mark Halsey and Co in this one. Not only did they miss a knee-high, studs up challenge that has curtailed Massadio Haidara’s season and left the young left-back hospitalised, they also missed a clear handball from Maynor Figueroa which led to Arouna Kone’s late winner.
United started off brightly and took control of the game without really threatening the Wigan goal. However the home side came back into the game quickly and had the first chance of the game courtesy of a freekick which Jordi Gomez blazed over the bar.
Much has been made of our impotency from corners, but it was a chance crafted from a Sylvain Marveaux corner which nearly handed United the lead although Joel Robles was on hand to deal with Steven Taylor’s headed effort and managed to control the ball at the second attempt.
Mathieu Debuchy became the latest name to join what is an ever-increasing injury list when he pulled up with a muscle problem on 14 minutes which forced a reshuffle in defence with Davide Santon moved over to right-back and Massadio Haidara brought on at left-back.
That switch seemed to cause confusion in the away defence which Wigan capitalised on when Callum McManaman crossed into the box for Jean Beausejour who fired underneath Rob Elliot at the back post to give the home side the lead on 18 minutes. Both Santon and Haidara could have done better in truth.
I’m sure Haidara would have atoned for his error and continued to impress like he has done when called upon but just nine minutes after replacing Debuchy his game, and season, was over courtesy of a horror challenge by McManaman. Knee-high, studs up, and missed by the referee who has since apologised for missing the “tackle” according to Alan Pardew. In fairness, it’s not Pardew he should be apologising to…
Another shuffle was required as James Perch came on for Haidara. The former Nottingham Forest man slotted into midfield next to Cheik Tiote with Jonas Gutierrez moved to left-back. Not ideal but there wasn’t a lot more we could do having had two of our three subs used up in the opening 23 minutes of the game.
Shaun Maloney forced a decent save from Rob Elliot ten minutes before the interval after creating space on the edge of the box but that was the final effort at goal of a first half that was poor and ended up being overshadowed by that tackle by McManaman.
United had the first opening of the second period although Papiss Cisse ballooned James Perch’s dinked through ball over the bar. Cisse again fired over moments later when there were four men in the middle and squaring the ball seemed to be the better option.
Newcastle were playing better in the second half but Wigan could have gone two goals up had James McArthur’s 68th minute effort not been deflected wide. Just five minutes later though and United were level after good work from Jonas Gutierrez who fed the ball to Sylvain Marveaux who in turn played in Papiss Cisse. The Senegal striker released Davide Santon with a fine first time pass and the Italian stormed in on goal firing past Robles to score his first goal for United.
It looked as though the points would be shared but yet more poor decisions from the officials put an end to that theory. A late corner saw Maynor Figueroa handball at the near post before Franco Di Santo and Paul Scharner saw efforts at goal blocked. A failure to clear the ball then saw Arouna Kone add the decisive touch as he fired the ball into the roof of the net. Poor defending undoubtedly, but the game should have been stopped way before that with Figueroa’s handball.
We lost, I’ve slept on it and I’m still fuming. I don’t want to blame the referee entirely but he had a huge part to play in things. Yes the first goal was poor defending but seeing tackles like that go unpunished and seeing a colleague stretchered off in such a bad state is going to have an effect. Likewise the second goal was ultimately poor defending but it shouldn’t have mattered as the handball was fairly clear even at full speeds.
We were poor, don’t get me wrong, but I do expect a certain amount of officiating from our officials. Mark Halsey failed in his duty yesterday on a number of levels. He failed to enforce the rules of the game and failed to protect players on the pitch. Next time they start begging for respect you have to wonder just why they actually deserve it.
Onwards and upwards…
Wigan: Joel Robles; Emmerson Boyce, Antolin Alcaraz, Paul Scharner, Maynor Figueroa; Shaun Maloney, James McCarthy, Jordi Gomez, Jean Beausejour; Callum McManaman, Arouna Koné
Subs: Ali Al-Habsi, Ronnie Stam, Gary Caldwell, Angelo Henriquez, James McArthur, Roman Golobart, Franco Di Santo
Newcastle: Rob Elliot; Mathieu Debuchy, Steven Taylor, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Davide Santon; Cheik Tiote, Jonas Gutierrez; Sylvain Marveaux, Moussa Sissoko, Yoan Gouffran; Papiss Cisse
Subs: Steve Harper, Massadio Haidara, James Perch, Vurnon Anita, Dan Gosling, Gabriel Obertan, Shola Ameobi
Attendance: 22,297
Toonsy – excellent summary mate but how difficult was it to write that without one single swear word in there?!.
Watched MOTD2 last night and Lawro and Nevin practically brushed it aside, made out it got in the way of talking about football 😯
To be fair they did show that Halseys view was blocked completely so he couldn’t see how bad the tackle was, BUT also showed that the linesman had a crystal clear view of it. The point I make is that it wasn’t just the ref who failed us, it was his whole team.
Personally, my anger is directed at the officials. Of course I’m annoyed by the tackle but to be fair to McManaman he wasn’t throwing himself round like Lee Catermole all game. It was a horrible tackle but I don’t think he intentionally tried to hurt Haidara is what I mean. But the officials are there to make sure those things are punished and blatant handballs are punished and they got them all wrong yesterday.
Sharpy17(Quote)
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Paul’s thoughts(Quote)
Yeah I dont think the lad meant to hurt Haidara and you could see when he was subbed that he was upset. Having said that a shitty tackle is still a shitty tackle and it was a red all day long.which then makes it a completely different game playing against 10 men for over an hour.
The handball just tops it off. That’s why I added the image in to show how obvious it was. I even said handball in real time.
toonsy(Quote)
Toonsy – I also think refs should get that extra help. At the moment a 4th official holds up a board for time added on or for subs, and keep time which the ref can overrule anyway. But they also have that monitor to view action replays. 4th officials are qualified referees and are therefore educated to make the decision about a red card offense or a missed handball in the box. I really don’t understand why the FA don’t utilize that and at least allow the 4th official to ‘request a review’, or even allow each team a challenge per half similar to how they do in tennis.
Fair too many games where we’re left talking about bad refereeing that’s decided the outcome of a match.
Sharpy17(Quote)
If Wigan avoid relegation some other team is going to lose out on £50m. Which is a disgrace, unless of course it is 5under1and 😈
premandup(Quote)
As annoyed as I am by the result and decisions, I don’t think we can complain about the final handball when Taylor blatantly handled it earlier in the box, which the ref didn’t see. Of course in retrospect those incidents wouldn’t have happened if the wee douchebag was sent off for a horrible, potentially career ending, tackle.
Andymag(Quote)
Toonsy – completely agree, wasn’t suggesting the kid should escape punishment coz he didn’t mean it – he absolutely should get a ban!, just meant he shouldn’t be vilified for it.
The ones that should be blamed are the officials coz as you say, get that decision right and it makes it a very different game. How the linesman missed that handball as well man?!. He’d have been stood at the corner flag looking directly at it FFS!
Sharpy17(Quote)
Prem – dead right mate, that’s why I think the FA should be helping the ref out more with the 4th officials review. These results have a knock on effect and the type of money you’re talking about there makes or breaks clubs.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I can live with the goal at the end. We all know if it was at the other end we would say its part and parcel of football. We should of played the whistle. But look one of those things that happen from time to time. Swings and roundabout.
However that challenge is another story. That was a straight red for me. I don’t think there was.intent but that doesn’t excuse the lad. He should of gone it would of been a different game. Player and officials should be banned over that one.
Johno Toon(Quote)
I just don’t get this “we were poor”. No we weren’t . There was much of the game when we were excellent although, and this is where we do have problems, we do have difficulty in putting the ball in the net. Cisse is out of form despite the occasional glimpse of turning a corner, and he is trying too hard. Elsewhere we generally look pretty good and when we scored the equaliser it looked as though we should go on to win. Whatever you say, 3 decisions (not just 2) caused the defeat. A red card would undoubtedly have changed the game in our favour with over an hour to play. Of course the handball non decision gifted the winner but how does a defence react instantly to the ball deflected into the danger area by a hand. Far too easy to say “bad defending” when desperation results from a “cheat” moment gaining the desired unfair advantage. The third wrong decision, the not given corner when the goalie saved Cisse’s near post effort, changed the flow at that period, gifting them possession and eventually their match winning corner. Once again your disappointment has clouded your judgement. We are not yet the “purring machine” we all would like but there are so many positive signs that we are slowly but surely heading on that direction. Don’t keep knocking it.
Tonytoon(Quote)
Tony spot on.
Johno Toon(Quote)
Toonsy good read mate and I agree with it.
Yeah we wern’t to good but imo wigan would never have beat us with 10 men and that is my main point. Yeah it’s good that Halsey came out after the game but it’s a bit fuking late. The officials this yr have been **** overall and something needs done.
Big Dave(Quote)
If it was tiote he would be banned for sure, it was a disgraceful challenge,but like ben arfa de jong I doubt the fa will do anything.Any player for any team who makes that sort of tackle should be banned for the duration of the injured players time out of the game
Tommy Gibb(Quote)
AndyMag – just where was Taylor supposed to put his arms? They are attached at each shoulder and he wasn’t waving them about. A handball for that would have been completely ridiculous. Otherwise McManaman got it very badly wrong. I can’t believe he intended to hurt anyone but the fact is he did commit a dreadful, and potentially career ending tackle, totally out of control. I don’t believe Martinez would have been so understanding if it had been the other way round and it is his after match comments I’m disappointed with. I’ve always considered him to be one of the better guys. There have been many over the top comments on our blogs re Wigan & McManaman and the hope for their relegation. I quite like the club myself and apart from the “challenge” they weren’t guilty of anything really other than playing very well.
Tonytoon(Quote)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/21823415
view from the other side
premandup(Quote)
Tonytoon I tend to agree with you there
Big Dave(Quote)
I have never liked one up front but I am no expert. However, it is apparent we do not get enough men into the box quickly enough. Cisse is therefore being well marked out of the game. Also when we get near the box we tend to lob the ball aimlessly into the middle instead of keeping it on the ground where we can be quite good at times. Bringing on Shola reinforces my idea that lobbing balls into the box is a tactic that is encouraged. We can be better than that.
Groucho(Quote)
Groucho,
I’d agree with that. I think Sissoko has improved things a lot because he does look to get forward into the box but yesterday he had a poor game.
I don’t think we can actually judge any player on yesterdays performance because it was entirely influenced by a serious of unfortunate events.
There isn’t much more that could have gone wrong for us yesterday and we only lost by one goal.
Anyone blaming the manager or players for the result is simply not being fair.
JJ(Quote)
Prem – I understand what Savage is saying but that wasn’t a 50/50 challenge IMO, it wasn’t a loose ball 2 players were going in equally to win so his arguement does Mc nee favours for me like. Savage is hardly qualified to teach people how to tackle either – he put some right stinkers in on people!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
JJ Agreed. Sissoko, who I think is a great buy has looked a bit tired lately. I would always have him in the starting line up but I think we should have swapped him for Anita for the last twenty minutes, just to give him a rest.
Groucho(Quote)
There is no doubt in mind either that the challenge going unrecognised by the ref(s) were the reason for Carver losing it at HT. He shouldn’t have confronted McManaman but still still it was only verbals from what I saw. It looked to me as though it was the Wigan coach in defending his young player who was guilty of all the pushing and shoving. If it had been players on the pitch, even thought was “handbags” it would have been Graham Barrow guilty of raising his arms, not Carver. Good on Perch though for dragging him away.
Tonytoon(Quote)
Tonytoon@10 My sentiments exactly mate well said.
I think after sleeping on it the lino is more at fault than the ref who had a poor view after watching it again . Has the young man come out and apologised yet ? He looked to go in recklessly to me and unlike many of you I think he knew what he was doing .When he connected with Haidara ,Haidara’s yelp could be clearly heard above the crowd and commentary ,I immediately scream out at the TV as knew straight away it was bad .That he continued to play on after hearing him scream out in obvious distress ,says it all. Then there is the post that ICE put up lastnight about a supposed tweet by Macmanaman after a previous game refering to simular play .Don’t know if it’s true yet but if it is I would want the FA to come down on him like a ton of bricks. Fact is with 10 men we would of most likely got the draw possibly won it . The hand ball was just the icing on the cake really . Rotten luck ,rotten game ,rotten officiating but in the end my heart goes out to Massadio who must be crestfallen today ,get well soon lad. I hope Benny talks to him and tells him how we stand by our players through thick and thin and even more I hope he plays for us again.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Tony@21 Spot on again Carver DID NOT raise a hand it was verbals only ,the Wigan coach was the aggressor.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Andymag.
You actually thought Taylors was deliberate handball? 😕
Did the ball not HIT his HAND. Notice the key words in that sentence at no point did he put his hand towards the ball.
Alex(Quote)
Groucho – yeah, you’re right mate I think it was tired legs not able to get up and support Cisse and I think Gouffran should have been told to stay higher up the pitch and support Cisse. The fullbacks seem to have been told to get forward alot yday as well from what I noticed.
Just watched Martinez post match comments on SSN app and I’m amazed at what he had to say to be honest. Reckons McManaman played the ball first and the ref SAW it as a fair but tough tackle 🙁 though admitted that he hadnt seen it at that point 😕 how or why I don’t understand as it was always going to be the talking point.
Also that he was glad that the handball goal stood as they have had little luck this season so he was pleased the goal stood?! – cheating *****! He’s gone down in my estimation having seen that like.
Sharpy17(Quote)
2 things about the main talking point.
1) I really don’t believe McManaman would be proud of that challenge. Young lad, home debut, exuberant and hot headed. I can’t see any professional (expecting the likes of Cattermole and Keane) making a career for himself be happy with that, unfortunately it’s lack of experience a. Never the less, red card and extended ban for dangerous play.
2) People going mental about the Wigan fans cheering him. Have you ever been to a football game? You are generally 100 metres away from the action so have no idea without the benefit of replay how bad it is. The away fans who have outsang you all game are booing on of your brightest young talents? You drown them out to stick up for your boy. After watching match of the day you would probably not think it was a good thing today (unless you are a **** and there are a lot out there) but let’s be honest you can’t label them all arseholes for that, could have been any club.
Playing devil’s advocate here aye but it’s my realistic, no emotional view.
Moreno(Quote)
I just don’t want people influenced by the media and twitter who are keen to pour fuel on a rivalry that just doesn’t exist. one bad tackle from a young kid shouldn’t ignite a hatred of Wigan. If you already have one then fine, they play poor football most of the time, have no fans and probably don’t deserve to be in the league.
Yet all these reports of Raylor calling him a ‘sh*thuse’ this morning just show the media agenda. He didn’t say McManaman is a sh*thouse’ he said that’s the definition of a ‘sh*thouse tackle’ – different in my opinion.
Moreno(Quote)
Moreno ,sorry but have to disagree mate ,though I see what you are saying ,if as a crowd you have seen a player badly hurt by one of your players to the point the player is stretchered off in obvious distress ,why on earth would you feel the need to cheer and clap him off. I hate to see bad tackles on any player and will regularly lambast Tiote in particular for it or any Toon player ,it’s unsporting and undefendable imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
http://www.newcastleunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/pardew_lays_into_shocking_referee_788182/index.shtml
Completely agree with Pardew here… I have never seen a more classic case of a referee deciding a result.
Not only that, but the mentality of the players must have been badly effected too.
At the end of the day, a point would have been outstanding from the lads. They were robbed. Its not fair to pick holes in any players performance. But what a bad advert for English football. The standard of refereeing has been diabolical in recent years.
JJ(Quote)
Kimtoon,
The biggest cheers you hear at football grounds (other than goals) are for crunching tackles, always have always will. The thing took place in less than a second and they won’t have seen the extent. The opposition fans boo their young lad who had a stormer against Everton on his debut and despite the tackle gave them something yesterday Wigan are usually missing. They stuck up for their man based on what they knew at the time.
Moreno(Quote)
Toonsy ,a good review by the way ,hope the littleun is on the mend too.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Moreno ,I simply can’t believe they wern’t aware of the gravity of that tackle 😯
KIMTOON(Quote)
Moreno ,Would you cheer off Tiote or anyone else if you seen him do that ❓
KIMTOON(Quote)
I would agree on cheering on challanges totally I have done it myself at games, but if I have seen a tackle result in an horriffic injury ,not often happily I must say ,I wouldn’t be too proud of my teams part in it.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim,
When you say ‘seen him do that’ – depends where you are sat. If Tiote smashed cattermole in the first 10 minutes and he got stretchered off and I hadn’t seen the slow motion replay as it right at the Gallowgate and I am opposite corner then yeah I would. The majority of the stadium would. Is that different because you don’t like the player or the opponent? Moral question there. What does Haidara mean to Wigan? They have never even heard of him but this young scouse lad is their next big thing so they stick up for him. I completely understand it having been t so many games, I would have been surprised if he didn’t get a cheer when subbed considering we were booing him.
I had no idea actually watching it on the laptop it was that bad until the slow motion replay so someone in the far corner of the pitch has no chance. When you are at the game and one of the opposition gets stretchered off unfortunately you see that as a good thing if we are being honest here. I don’t believe they were cheering because a boy was seriously injured which is which you are seeming to inadvertently lean towards, they were sticking up for their lad who, at the time, the vast majority in that stadium wouldn’t have seen how bad the tackle was.
Moreno(Quote)
How wuld you know, sat at the game, potentially 300 metres away, that it was a horrific injury? Football players are rolling around all the time. we knew cos we had the benefit of skysports, slow motion and geoff shreeves. Different when you are there.
Moreno(Quote)
Moreno ,but they usually get back up not go off on a stretcher , and his scream was sickening and to me obviously genuine .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Would be interested to read a few Wigan forums later see what the fans view is.
Have to go out now Moreno ,so not ignoring you but guess we have to agree to disagree . 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
I feel you are emotive because it’s our player and you have seen the tackle over and over in slow motion. Completely understandable.
Over an hour later, when you are sat at the game and one f your young players who has been outstanding on his debut and played well is getting booed. You drown the boo’s out. Most clubs, with the demographic of white males 18-40 as the majority in there, would be the same.
Moreno(Quote)
Have a good day 😎
Moreno(Quote)
MORENO@35 ,one last thing .I wouldn’t have a problem with Tiote doing Catts ,he’s attempted to end many a career so it’s karma 😆
KIMTOON(Quote)
Moreno,
How come you never tell me to have a good day after our debates? 😥 😉
JJ(Quote)
Debuchy doesn’t look too bad. Going to French squad but Pards expects them to assess and send him back. Maybe fit fr City. Let’s see if we can mis-manage this one too 🙄
Moreno(Quote)
JJ,
I would get tired of writing it all the time 😆 Morning fella, how are you this fine day?
Moreno(Quote)
I haven’t read the full debate but I’m on Kim’s team… 😆
JJ(Quote)
Actually I’m still upset about yesterday. Have hardly done a thing at work. 😕
Need the next fixture to come quickly so we have something different to moan about.
JJ(Quote)
@45 😆 😆 😆
It’s a sore one like but I really don’t think we can be to worried as we should by all accounts of taken an away point which we would have settled for before the game. We was robbed. We played poorly but should still have got an away draw so that says something. It’s hard when you are have to put on young lads in defence and then move people about etc, particularly when they don’t speak English, hard to get a clear message across from the touchline no doubt. Missed Cabaye there he would have given them a shout and relayed Pards instruction. Stevie Taylor was the oldest in there by a few years.
Moreno(Quote)
Moreno – I agree with you mate.
Kim – The lad made a terrible tackle and should be punished for it, but there was no intent to hurt Haidara and as Toonsy said, you could see McManaman was visibly upset by it when he came off. The fans were right to cheer him because putting the tackle aside he had a good game.
The tackle was bad but it wasn’t like he ran half way across the pitch to wipe the lad out then stood over the top of him shouting and spitting at him to get up. I actually don’t think McManaman realized how bad the tackle was in real time – I don’t think anyone did based on the reaction of the players.
My first post was basically saying the same at Moreno. The press will try and vilify McManaman in the same way they did with Shawcross when he broke Ramsey’s leg or Martin Taylor when he broke Equardos leg – which I don’t think Taylor ever mentally recovered from and it as good as ended his career as he became a CB who was scared to make a tackle.
Ice pup suggested last night that McManaman may have tweeted about the incident, if that’s true then he should be vilified but if not it was just a bad tackle from the lad.
Lets be right, we cheered Barton often enough and he’s been guilty of alot worse over his career.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, I didn’t know who to cheer for when Dyer and Bowyer were scrapping…wanted them both to lose 😆
Now that’s a time to not cheer your own boys like if there ever was one.
Moreno(Quote)
Moreno – I booed mate, it was absolutely disgraceful …. that the referee broken that up!! – another expample of poor refereeing 😆 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
By the way,
That comment from McMannaman about Wigan players loving a good tackle was made six weeks ago. Wasn’t referring to this game.
JJ(Quote)
Moreno – I just think if you compare McManaman with someone like Suarez – a player who clearly intentionally kicks out at players and dives on a weekly basis and deserves to be vilified for it, Mc was just guilty of a badly timed horrific tackle and that’s all.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, the most shocking thing about that is Ladbrokes in the ground refused my tenner on Bowyer
JJ, Wigan is a rugby town full of gruff Northerners so that comment isn’t out of place for them. Good luck finding comments on a Wigan forum though Kim….the internet hasn’t reached Wigan yet 😆
Moreno(Quote)
I still don’t know who would have won between Dyer and Bowyer.
I guess it would have been whoever got to their handbag first…
JJ(Quote)
JJ – thanks for clearing that comment up mate. There’s the trouble with social media, be interesting to know what ‘good tackle’ he was referring to though.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Moreno – probably coz they knew Bowyer is a dirty fighter and we all know how easily Dyer was injured 😆 there was only ever gonna be one winner mate
Sharpy17(Quote)
I don’t think I have ever seen a worse tackle in my life – intentional or not, it was truly horrific!
I also see that it looks unlikely the FA can do anything as it’s all on ball tackles are deemed as ‘seen’ and the linesman certainly saw it and did nothing… There are exceptional circumstances (which this surely is) but they took no action against Bollotelli last season when he made a shocking tackle, albeit not as bad as this one.
Onto the game – we didn’t play well and cannot blame the ref or anyone else – we look really very lightweight up top and it’s going to start dragging us down into the relegation mix if we’re not careful.
Wigan are 6 behind but have a game in hand so that gap could be three! We have city next too so still nervy times. We then have two home games against Fulham and sunderland – must win games!
Stuart79(Quote)
Gutted for the young lad and expect him to be out until Xmas,
Does anyone else agree that once again Pardew set us up in a negative formation.
Wigan have a very poor home record and are below us in the table, we go there and play a lone striker, Baffling.
TonyGreenSupreme(Quote)
Halsey doesn’t need help from the sideline, he needs help finding a new fucking career as he’s useless at this one, either that or he need’s a guide dog for being so bloody blind. Still seething at this one. Would have preferred anita on over perch as there is no creativity with tiote and perch in the middle, it begs for trouble. When we had possession and wigan sat deep we could only drift balls into the box, which were easily dealt with for the most part.
Other than that it was just poor play, with horrific reffing.
Newkie(Quote)
Tackle was disgrceful, Are they really telling us that the game would have been delayed any more if the 4th official instead of standing on the touchline getting dogs abuse because of the referees mistakes had a little portaloo booth thingy at the side of the dug out where he could review footage of both incidents.
Ther was a 5 minute odd delay to get Haidara off the pitch and a minute or so while they were celebrating their ill gotten winner. They could have easily reviewed both incidents in 20 seconds and passed on the info to the ref.
By the way Wigans “fans” reaction on twitter sums them up as a club, town and football club a fucking skid mark on the landscape…
CC(Quote)
TGS,
I think the initial setup was to get Santon and Debuchy as attacking wingers with Jonas and Tiote dropping to the side to cover, Jonas being practically defensive wing anyway it was a good plan. Lose both fullbacks who have the ability to pull that off and positive gameplan needs changing. Forget that in the second half, go two up front, get a goal and rescue a point. Fair enough Pards for me. We were robbed by the handball.
Moreno(Quote)
CC
Completely agree mate. The players spend at least two minutes arguing with referees.
JJ(Quote)
Stu79 – Alan Riley (ex ref) was talking on SSN this morning and seemed to think the linesman didn’t flag coz he didn’t see it either, so hopefully the FA can act – doesn’t help Haidara like!.
If the linesman has seen it and do nowt then the FA should take action against him instead or as well.
TGS – I disagree mate, the problem we have is that Cisse is the only CF we have at the club at the moment – Sholas nee good IMO and Campbell is too young in experience at the moment. I actually looked at that starting 11 yesterday and thought it was the most attacking he could have gone for. I actually expected him to drop Marv, have Perch alongside Tiote and Jonas as one of the attacking 3 midfielders.
I just don’t think Gouffran, Sissoko or Marv were quick enough to get up and support Cisse.
Sissoko and Marv may have been fatigued but Gouffran, having not played on Thursday, I would have expected to offer greater support – but please don’t read that as me laying all the blame at Gouffrans feet – I’m not. I thought we don’t OK for large parts of the game and certainly done enough for point.
Sharpy17(Quote)
CC, problem with twitter and that is that the minority always gets a spotlight shone on it. You could no doubt find plenty of ***** from any group of fans if you look hard enough. If the shoe was on the other foot, I know loads of little radgies in Shields who would be condoning it. They would be in the minority of all NUFC fans but spotlight would be shone on them.
I have (maybe incorrectly) faith in the human race and would like to think most think it’s awful and give Haidara their best wishes.
Moreno(Quote)
Moreno at 36 understand some of your comments but as a former firefighter and trained trauma medic the clue is in the movement if you are hurt you do not move,you remain as still as possible to minimise further damage,the only part of Haidara moving was his head and hand. If Tiote or any NUFC player did a tackle like that, take it from this leaze’s ender I would express my displeasure ,I will say again commit a tackle like that and be banned till the injured player is fit. I do however agree with your comment @64 about the majority of fans wish Massadio Haidara a speedy return to health and football.
Tommy Gibb(Quote)
I see Dave Whelan said on BBC 5 Live that the Wigan player got the ball “clean as a whistle’! Incredible! He doesn’t appear bitter at all that Mike Ashley ruined his tin pot business does he…
Stuart79(Quote)
Dave Whealan has described the tackle as ” clean as a whistle ” wtf? He is a ****
Johno Toon(Quote)
Tommy, don’t get me wrong here, I agree it was horrendous and they should throw the book at him for it, totally unacceptable. As I have been saying though I can understand why they clapped their player off too. There are factors to take into consideration before judging in my opinion…you have quite rightly highlighted another factor to take into consideration with your experience as a trauma trained medic and firefighter.
I just don’t like football rivalries being blown out of proportion by people who don’t look at the bigger picture. Hating a team like Villa after their crass over relegation I do get but hating Wigan fans for clapping that lad off….not for me as I understand what match days are like and the difference watching skysports and replays etc
Moreno(Quote)
Well Dave Whelan, I really, really, really hope your pie munching cheaters finally go down this season. Whats the betting they get points against Norwich and QPR now. 👿 Absolute disgrace that they got 3 points yesterday and even Graham Poll is pretty much saying Mark Halsey should retire and 51 is too old to referee a premier league game.
http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/130318/exclusive-mark-halsey-urged-quit-premier-league-referee-after-missing-ho-1938?
DJG(Quote)
I see Caulker gets a call-up for England over Taylor…
Moreno(Quote)
Probably a draw would have been a fair decision, as niether side really had the better of the play.
With the amount of games we are playing, a few early subs might have been called for.
Either that or rest those with minor injuries, Debuchy, Cabaye plus with all the box to box stuff Sissoko has been involved with, looked a bit tired.
Wold like to see more of Bigirama and Anita.
What’s happened to Simpson ?
Most people are directing their fire at the wrong people, as sometimes those officiating games, just dont see everything.
It appears the refs vision was blocked and that of the linesmans vision also being he was behind Haidara.
The real culprit is the system, with it’s refusal to bring the game into the twenty first century.
A simple review of what actually took place by looking at the video tapes from various angles could have resulted in probably a red card.
But untill the governing bodies get with the progream, we will continue to have unsatisfactory situations accur.
I have to say i sympathise to a degree with the officials, who have to make instantanious decisions, without benefit of hindsight, as for the missed handball, it was’nt the only one.
If refs were to call every infraction in the box (usually mahem on set pieces) such as handballs shirt pulling ,holding, the game would be decided on penalties.
Hopefully Haidara’s injury is not as bad as it looked and i doubt Mcmanaman is another De Jong, but is what it is.
chuck(Quote)
http://mcfcreservesandacademy.co.uk/wigan-homeeds1011/
seems Mr McManaman has previous
M(Quote)
I’m still feeling flat after all that. The bloody linesman must have seen the handball. What else would he be watching?
Very bad day at the office and it always seems to happen at the DW. Mind you some of our play particularly at the back was appalling. Taylor was the only one playing well. Why on earth didn’t Elliot just drop down on the ball when it was bobbling around our 5 players in his 6 yard box.
Disappointed in Gouffran, Sissoko and especially Marv. When he hasn’t got the ball we have 10 men. He just dances around like a fairy.
georgio(Quote)
Moreno @69 I agree I think a bigger problem is the attitude shown by the owner and manager here is the link to Mark Holmes on team talk
http://www.teamtalk.com/news/24685/8575639/Monday-Moan-RM-just-another-hypocrite
I think this sums it up nicely fans will always support there players in the heat of the moment but i would like to think in hindsight they would think that was nasty. But what toonsys blog proves is that we as newcastle fans are capable of reasoned debate 😉
Tommy Gibb(Quote)
TOMMY GIBB
I would hold my hands up and say that when one of our players commits a dangerous challenge (eg. Nolan on Anichebe) that is unacceptable. The difference is though, when it is one of our players eg. Cabaye or Jonas, they tend to get a red card or a ban.
DJG(Quote)