The fifth place finish last season has long been forgotten, after all it doesn’t help us this season where we are still yet to secure our top flight status for next season.
From experience, once anyone involved with United has the fans against them then the writing is usually on the wall and they tend not to last too long.
Sporadic good results may temper the frustration in the interim but generally speaking patience wears thinner and thinner as time goes on and each time it takes less and less for fans to get back into the train of thought of wanting whoever it is they want out of of the door.
This is not to say that I think he deserves the sack. I’m not in the “Pardew out” camp just yet, but just because I’m not calling for him to be booted it doesn’t mean that I’m happy about things. I too can see mistakes that are being made (in my opinion) and I can also see that our football isn’t exactly great (understatement) at the moment.
However we are struggling, for whatever reason you wish to pick, and the pressure is on us. Pressure doesn’t lend itself to fast-flowing pretty football like we saw at the tail end of last season. Not this kind of pressure anyway… Instead battling and getting us “over the line” is what is most important.
Pardew has taken some flak for suggesting that avoiding relegation will do for the season given where we are now. I don’t disagree with that and don’t see the problem if truth be told. Disappointing as it is, it’s all we have left to go for in reality and is the difference between 17th and, say 15th, really anything to be bragging about anyway?
Not for me it isn’t…
So it’s been a horrible season and lets say the popular wish is granted and Pardew does get the boot. Who do you replace with him? This is not YOUR choice, it is Mike Ashley’s choice, so try and put yourself in his shoes before rattling off managerial names like staccato bursts of gunfire.
I’m sure there will be someone out there willing to try their hand at managing Newcastle United, but that someone must also be happy with how the club is setup these days. They must be happy with the policies we have in place and must realise that we won’t just throw money at things. They must also make do with having decisions made about their team above their heads and must be willing to not have full control over things. Oh and don’t forget that Alan Pardew is currently the lowest paid manager in the Premier League so I doubt very much that a large pay-check would be guaranteed either…
Like I said, I’m sure there is someone out there who fits the bill perfectly, but realistically the options are a lot narrower than people think. Remember, Pardew himself was plucked out of thin air and I wouldn’t bet against his successor, whether it be sooner rather than later, being of the same kind of ilk.
Maybe it’s better the devil you? Maybe not?
It’s easier to say who I don’t want. I don’t want some young manager who has achieved nothing in the premier league. eg Poyet, Robinson etc. Nor do I want someone who has aquired a name but is currently out of work (for a good reason) MON, Curbs, Hughes. O’leary.
What I want is for us to stand up and make a statement. Go for one of the top club managers in the world. Someone of whom it’s said, “he won’t come here”. If we are one of the top 20 clubs in Europe then that’s the level of manager we should be looking for. Beilsa or Krupp. I’m not interested in oh why should he want to come here. The answer is simple a chance to manage one of the biggest clubs in the EPL. Ashley needs to spend big on a amanager.
Having said that I’m happy with Pards until we adopt that philosophy.
Premandup(Quote)
As to who is out there now. Pellagrini
Premandup(Quote)
OK. Paris may not be the most electric manager ever BUT for the first time in living memory ( and I have been a supporter for 50 years or more) we have a stable club, sound finances, a decent squad and a fine backroom.. The Man has had to handle a horrific series of injuries and integrate new signings into the team. He wasn’t a bad manager last year and he’s not a bad manager now. Limited, perhaps, but not bad. Bit more talent over the summer and we’ll be fine next season. Calm Down, Dears, Xalm Down!!
Phileas Mole(Quote)
Its time for Clarky to come home and manage his hometown club
Len White(Quote)
LEE CLARK
Jamie king(Quote)
Lee Clark?? You need your heads examining.
Alex(Quote)
Why wouldn’t we go for Blanc? Maybe he didn’t achieve nothing in Premier Leauge, but he was champion with Bordeaux. In Champion Leuage his team was beating Bayern Munich, played very well and unforunally lost in quarter final against Lyon. He is young and very talented manager, he has been coach of France national team. He has everything to become sussesful manager at Newcastle. We need Frenchman for french squad. Period.
matt(Quote)
I said Blanc weeks ago and I havn’t changed my mind yet. It would make so much sense, him being French and very capable of modern progressive football. I’m sure he would also jump at the chance to try his hand in the Prem. Howaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay the Lads .Toon 2- 1 at the weekend.
Porciestreet(Quote)
Perhaps Lee Clarke in as an understudy ???
Porciestreet(Quote)
Di Matteo FA Cup winner and Champions League ?
DARREN(Quote)
I think its far too soon for clarky. Why do people get hung up on the Geordie manager thing? We need someone who can get the best out of our players. Someone who isn’t afraid to change things and let certain players have a monopoly over them. Someone from Germany would be good, klopp would be the fantasy. I’d have blanc no problem. We will get linked to plums like Hughes and Mon as if they have a Devine right to manage again. Why are they out of work, not like they took a sabbatical like pep. Pellegrini is another I’d have. We need to be progressive and bold. Clarkey is not that for me
raffo(Quote)
I really like pardew, but things this season really have been poor. In my opinion the best managers for us would be Laurent Blanc and Roberto Martinez. There is the Montpellier manager Girard aswell who will be avaialable aswell.
Daniel Abela(Quote)
Good shout. The facts are we have a lot of continental players, so we need a continental manager to get best outa them
raffo(Quote)
Martinez if wigan go down maybe
Coutts(Quote)
I dont think Pardew should be sacked, I think they need to buy the players in the summer to build a team to compete for the top 6 (thats 2 strikers, 2 out and out wingers, a centre back and a right back minimum)
If we were to go for a new manager there is only one in the world right now I’d go for and thats Jorge Jesus of Benfica. An astounding unbeaten run for his club and Benfica play passing attacking football, closest thing to keegans team I’ve seen in years, great to watch.
Andy(Quote)
Martinez or di matteo.
Legendbigal(Quote)
We don’t need to sack Pardew. He’s a decent enough manager for now. Apart from feeling the need to play people out of position, he’s done very well with what we’ve got.
What we really need to do is sack the physios and medical staff. There has to be a reason why newcastle a injured 11 would finish higher than te scum every year!!!!
Doug(Quote)
Andy
Pretty sure he doesn’t like us after Pards’ comments. Definitely shows passion and looks a bit like Beethoven.
Andymag(Quote)
I want someone who doesn’t play hoofball, who doesn’t use subs who shouldn’t be even on the bench, who doesn’t play players out of position, who is willing to give youngsters a decent chance, who is not totally defensively driven, but who would I like. I would willingly give Poyet a chance. Alright he is lower league but Moyes started his career with Preston in Division 2 and most people wouldn’t mind him at Newcastle. I hope Pardew can put it right but he does seem stubborn in his approach. I like us to win, of course, but I would like a better standard of football to watch.
Groucho(Quote)
Want a manager who doesn’t put a terrible back room team together – making the team look noticeably more unfit. A modern manager who has players super fit instead of fat – (see Jonas)
I want a manager who has an understanding of the type of football he wants to play, to be able to convey that to the players, to have them believe in it and it to be effective.
I want a manager who doesn’t spout drivel and doesn’t come out with excuse after excuse after excuse.
I want a manger who puts round pegs in round holes and plays players to their strengths.
I want Steve Bruce
Stardust(Quote)
Off topic…….
It’s Anzac Day here in Australia & New Zealand
They shall grow not old,
As we that are left grow old,
Age shall not weary them,
Nor the years condemn.
At the going down of the sun,
And in the morning
We will remember them.
Thanks 🙂
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
What about getting one of jurgen klopps assistants. Someone who coaches that philosiphy that you stop the other team playing, constantly pressing. With slick attacking football.
Alex(Quote)
Christian Gross or Big Ron, but I doubt they’d come here..
mark(Quote)
Maybe there should be a second part to the “who do you want question”. The second part of the question should be ‘what would you do with your manager if it turns out that if he is not achieving any success on the park and we are playing poorly?” 😕
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Like your thought process Mark – on the same lines as me 😉
Stardust(Quote)
Aussie@21,Nice one mate.
On topic ,not sure who we should get in if Pards goes but I’m leaning towards a continential guy as opposed to British mainly because they will get the best out of our current crop of players. That said I don’t fancy Martinez due to Wigan batteling relegation every year. I know they always survive but a good manager wouldn’t see them end up there year on year imo. Poyet would be interesting ,like what he’s doing at Brighton but unproven in PL so bit of a worry .Blanc may well work and what about Zola could he be worth a shout .
KIMTOON(Quote)
The Newcastle board should accept any blame,as the summer lack of cover in attack, defense.Yes 4 new signings came in January,but adding to the difficult language problems,playing together, building team spirit is not the same as ordering new equipment.Players need time to adjust to each other,talk,shout instructions.To expect players to adapt in weeks,in another country as well as learn enough English overnight, is in itself a problem.Great season ahead next year.
Oxo42(Quote)
Only one man for me, David Moyes. Will be available in the summer, has great ambition, is a good tactician and is used to working to a budget. Likes to play expansive football, only hindered by no cash at Everton.
Toonraider(Quote)
I don’t think last season should be forgot about despite our terrible form this season. I accept we’ve struggled with injuries and Europa has given Pardew headaches with match preparation – fair enough, but I don’t like excuses after every game. Our away form has been atrocious and no goals from set plays isn’t good enough IMO.
Hoofball isn’t acceptable and sticking with favourites (including Shola subs) isn’t on.
If – and it’s a big IF Pardew gets another crack at it next season, he needs to make some big changes!.
We have a large portion of a squad capable of reaching a high standard in the PL as well as being able to cope with the added demands of European football IMO, however they need a manager capable of getting them there and keeping them there.
If Pardew wants to be that manager then I’d strongly suggest he review his coaching staff. Personally I don’t think there is enough experience behind Pardew, and I think if he stays he’d benefit from having someone like Ray Wilkins in his staff or someone with that kind of experience.
If he stays then he needs to get the full backing from the board with the additions he wants to bring in. If they aren’t prepared to do that, get rid!. Once he has the players he wants he gets 10 games and if things aren’t going well then he’s gone!.
If he’s not given that opportunity and the board choose to get rid in the summer, then I’d like to see Laurent Blanc or Rafa Benitez (which I know won’t be a popular choice, but he has experience of winning things in the PL and Europe).
Sharpy17(Quote)
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
How about a change in policy from our less than successful constant chopping and changing.
He deserves next season, he had one great season and now he’s had one bad one – let next season be the decider…
Stuart79(Quote)
Aussie – Happy Anzac day mate 😉
Sharpy17(Quote)
Cheers Sharpy!!
I would love Guus Hiddink but he would be too pricey… very good tactically and very good at getting a good performance out of average players.
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Stuart I’m not against that train of thought@30 ,but I would only give him a set number of games next season to prove he can guide us on an upward path. If he gets reinforcements in the summer then he really has no more excuses especially given there is no European footie next season. I don’t just want to see us winning again ,I want to be entertained with free flowing exciting football again ,after all we have the personel to do it . Much of what’s been dished up this season has been dreadful to watch let alone all the losses and it doesn’t sit well with the fans when week on week out he pulls limitless excuses out the bag rather than take any blame for any tactical blunders on his part.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Aussie ,aye wouldn’t mind him either.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim – I agree, if we’re still in the bottom six in November/December then he can have no excuses and it will be clear there is something wrong. But lets be honest, we could be top six also but I guarantee if that happens it will be down to the players not the manager.
It’s only when things are going bad it’s the managers fault, when it’s all going great it’s the players who are brilliant and the manager never gets a mention.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart ,I just want to see the talent we have utilised to it’s best effect and I don’t understand why he insist on playing unfit /slow players ,and puts players out of position ,it really is frustrating. I’m starting to think he has issues with certain players as it really makes no sense to me .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Toonsy very good read, but I just cant see the Regime getting shot of pards and getting a better manager in, or a good manager coming in to work within the constraints of the Regime as it is now.
So for me Pards has to be given more time, as he has had a lot of **** to deal with this season.
Big Dave(Quote)
I’ve also been giving some thought to players we could realistically recruit in the summer and I reckon 5-6 would do it – based on Colo and Simmo being the only leavers.
CB – Sakho – £10m
FB – Pieters – £2-3m
AM – Ince – £7-8m
AM – Sinclair – loan with option to buy
ACM – De Jong – £9-10m
CF – Carroll – £12-15m
I’d go with Ince and Sinclair due to the injuries to Marv and Benny over the last 2 seasons and if we got them I’d let Obertan go. So, to show how I’d use those additions:
——————- Krul —————–
Debuchy – Sakho – MYM – Santon
— Cabaye – Sissoko – Anita —
————– De Jong ————-
——– Carroll — Cisse ———-
Or
——————– Krul —————–
Debuchy – Sakho – MYM – Santon
——– Cabaye — Sissoko ———
— Ince —- De Jong — Sinclair —
———– Carroll or Cisse ———-
I’m not saying that would be my starting 11 it’s just to show where they’d fit in. I know it’s a lot of money to spend but we will get a large sum handed to us from the TV deal if we stay up.
Anyway, that’s what I’d like to see but know it won’t happen like that 🙄 🙁 😛
Sharpy17(Quote)
Struggling to believe so many are willing to give the man another season. His team selections, tactics and subs have been terrible all season. Haven’t you noticed? We have some really talented players playing the worst football I’ve seen in many a year. God knows what the new boys think. He’s had two and a half years. It’s enough.
The new man is a tough choice. If I was Ashley I’d go with Mr Carr’s choice.
georgio(Quote)
I do think Pards will habe learnt some vital lessons this season, for me a major mistake was for him to give Ba his full support and faith in an attempt to get him to stay, to which Ba fuked off anyway at the first chance he got.
For me that knocked the faith and confidence right out of Cisse which has cost us points, so I hope he learns and I will be interested in what way he handles Colo as there is noway he should get straight back in the team before he **** of back to Argentina when the season is over. As i’m sure that would cost us a players loyalty when one of them have to make way for Colo.
Big Dave(Quote)
Georgio – Carr scouts players not managers mate, I don’t suppose Ashley became a Billionaire through seeking advice from the buyers he employs SD.
I think the reason that most people are willing to afford Pardew a further opportunity to start next season is that he’s had one good year and one bad year. Poyet, Clark, Martinez, Zola … none of these have more experience or are a proven improvement on Pardew. Most people, including myself are saying that if Pardew was to get that chance then he’d have big changes to make.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I am going out on a limb here but I reckon Toonsy wants me as the manager, have a look at the photo in the article, it looks exactly like me… 🙂 🙂
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Fuk it looks like Sharpy as well 🙂
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Oly Gunner, Gus Poyet, Zola are very good young managers, but hiring them would mean a period of transion and maybe a couple of steps backwards to go forward, id be shocked if AP got the door but my fear is the poor form we are in been brought into next season where will that leave us? So I think the best they can do is bring in a top coach and someone who can sort out the defence because lets face it thats where we have been woeful this season, I personally would like a Tony Adams as understudy or Denis Berkamp if hed come.
John(Quote)
Aussie, the guy in the article is black. I’m thinking Toonsy wants Frank Rijkaard!
JJ(Quote)
Sharpy – That’s over £40m worth of players! Where have you been since May 2007?
Stuart79(Quote)
Experience wise…
Wouldn’t mind Martinez, not that I think he’s a million miles better than Pardew, but I would say he is slightly better tactically and his football is miles better.
Communication wise…
Blanc or Garcia wouldn’t be bad shouts… Both have won the French League with unfavoured teams. Both also played good football.
Puyet looks like he has some talent but I wouldn’t judge him on the Championship alone. Would want a few more good seasons out of him. Although he has made Pardew look stupid with an inferior side twice.
I just seen that Dortmund side first 11 only cost 29million!!! And we think we got some bargain buys. Just shows you what a top attacking manager adds to a squad.
JJ(Quote)
Diego Simeone has impressed me in Spain, his team is full of talent but they were performing terribly until he took the hot seat.
Watching them now, every single player at Atletico Madrid works their socks off. They give 110% and they all look so much fitter.
Before they didn’t look like they could be arsed. A bit like our team do under Pards at the moment.
JJ(Quote)
Stu – granted, but we will get around £60m from this TV deal. It’s not often we get handed a windfall like that mate so I think we should – or we have to take advantage of that. That would leave £20m for their wages along with the 60k we save from getting rid of Xisco and around 80k when Colo leaves. It would depend on just how ambitious Ashley wants to be of course – which is why I concluded that particular post by saying I wouldn’t be holding my breath mate 😉
Sharpy17(Quote)
if pardew goes try to bring in benitez or redknap
batty(Quote)
Sharpy,
Agree, Pardew could pull things right, but he’d have to swallow some pride and change a hell of a lot.
If he remains stubborn and if Ashley doesn’t get in at least a couple more faces in the coaching department. Then I’m afraid I can’t see Pardew turning things around.
He’ll have us between 8th and 15th season in season out. We should IMO at worst be finishing in the top 10 and challenging to get in the top five.
I can understand people saying he’s had one good one bad so he deserves another season… He probably dose deserve another season. But my gut tells me he won’t get things right, so why waste the time.
In a fair world, he’d get that season. But the world isn’t fair… And I don’t want another season of disappointment that I think will come under him.
JJ(Quote)
Batty…
Rednapp??? Are you on the wind up?
Benitez would probably have us in the top half but I don’t enjoy his football either.
JJ(Quote)
jj no why ??
batty(Quote)
kk & terry mac.
roy’s puffers(Quote)
jj but you enjoy the wigan managers football ? they have been fighting relegation for years now so it will get them no ware apart from relegation this season 😉
batty(Quote)
Morning
I suggested a foreign manager on here after the Benfica game. Their manager has got to be worth a shout. After Sunderland game well I’m bet you lot are glad you don’t live here.
I want him gone never liked him likes the sound of his own voice and talks no sense at all.
Toon fan in Sunderland(Quote)
JJ – I agree mate, the fair side of me says give him a chance with changes to coaching staff and additional playing staff.
However, my concern is that we could and would loose out on available managers during the summer. With quality managers like Moyes, Benitez and Blanc out of work in the summer and costing nowt – at what price would it cost to buy a manager of that quality if Pardew is doing ***** after 10 games.
I just hope the board have had the sense to build a buy out clause into these 8 yr contracts so it doesn’t cost us a small fortune.
Sharpy17(Quote)
sharpy i read some where pardew is 1 of the lowest paid managers in the prem 500k a year dont know how true it is
batty(Quote)
batty/58
he’s overpaid.
roy’s puffers(Quote)
Batty – I remember reading that as well mate but I can’t remember if that was before his 8yr deal
Sharpy17(Quote)
Batty @55
Like I said to Newkie.
Wigan have done well to simply survive in this league. You cannot compare there squad to ours, yet their results have been more or less on par with ours.
To me, that, along with the fact that they play good football. Is a sign that he is a decent manager.
JJ(Quote)
Batty,
He might be one of the lowest paid, but he’ll struggle to get more anywhere else. He knows it too…
JJ(Quote)
JJ what am saying is decent footy isnt always enough
batty(Quote)
jj i never sed he would struggle to get more else where
batty(Quote)
@ 59 😆
batty(Quote)
For me, those like Stardust want the perfect manager but don’t take into account the paltry salary Ashley pays to Pardew in comparison to decent managers.
I’ve no doubt it was one of the reasons Hughton got the shove as he wanted an improved contract having got us promoted.
I don’t understand why Ashley doesn’t pay top dollar for a top coach/manager. That position is the most important in the club.
A top coach can get the best out of an average player and provide tactics to enable an average team to achieve good things.
We spend £10m on Cisse, which is fair enough but spend £10m on a coach and the rewards are greater.
I don’t believe Ashley believes that yet but he may in time. Wenger gets paid a fortune but he is self sufficient by his results.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
I’d take it for a start Batty!
georgio(Quote)
woohoo wen did you come back troy ? 😆
batty(Quote)
georgio you would take what relegation ? cos thats where they are heading ,KK was the best ive ever seen for attacking footy martenez couldnt lace KKS boots
batty(Quote)
spot on troy @66
batty(Quote)
your not gonna get a top of the range bmw if your only paying 2k ,unless you get it of me of course 😆
batty(Quote)
Troy – dead right mate. Doesn’t Pardew owe Ashley money though, isn’t that the reason he’s paid so little or is that all aload of *****?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Troy – I think Pardew is paid a basic salary of £500,000. Actually quite pitiful in the grand scheme of things.
Stuart79(Quote)
@Batty
B&B has hopefully closed the door behind him. So I’ve locked it and put draught excluder around the frame so the cold draught can’t get back in. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Toonsy-good article mate, great journalism as always when you agree with me 😉
It’s exactly what I’ve been trying to explain to these **** philistines, Ashley doesn’t give a hoot about bringing in a top manager, he wants his money back as fast as possible with as little outlay from NUFC as possible, with preferably as much success as he can wring out of his investment. I.E no good managers with expensive backroom staffs, nobody who is going to demand a purse and control of transfers.
I said before, Poyet is imo the best we can hope for, anyone with a big name/reputation will want a contract to match, and I really don’t see Ash splashing out.
Newkie(Quote)