568 thoughts on “Taking the Positives – Who is doing what and how do we move forward?

  1. Icedog@300, agreed mate let De Jong stay at Borussia I say….

    I like the look of this Cabbella lad, very similar to HBA but with two feet. Has a few tricks up his sleeve too… Montpellier are obviously struggling big time at the moment, their flirt at the top of the French league is over, and obviously the owner is getting a bit of a lip on…. 😳

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  2. MM, That owner is more loco than Joe, imagine them two in a meeting 😆 talk about dumb and dumber 🙄

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  3. MM,I am past hoping for any signings mate,yes I like the look of that lad,but will be just a case of looking ime afraid 🙁

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  4. Why did all the top clubs play strong sides in the FA cup (and all went through) yet us who haven’t won a cup since Jesus was on the cross played a crapy weakened team?

    I reckon Ashley has told Pardew he mustn’t risk cup glory for PL status.

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  5. Are we a sell to buy club. Is it coincidence that we haven’t sold anyone so we haven’t bought anyone?

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  6. Stuart, It’s certainly looking that way mate, all part of the self sustainable thing I’d imagine. 🙄 .Why not just buy anyway and retain our best in an effort to push that little bit more ,you never know we could even gatecrash top 4 with the right level of ambition and then Ash would be quids in. If he really had belief in Pards ability you would think he’d back him in an attempt to do just that.

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  7. 6 more points on the board and we’re safe this season. We are out of those pesky cups thank goodness. We can’t compete with the top 6 including Everton Spurs and Liverpool, so won’t have the pesky europa league to contend with next season….. Mission accomplished well done everyone… and all “within budget”…

    World Cup in the summer…Cabaye will in my opinion still be at the toon. He and Remy are both shoe-ins for the French national team, and will be in the WC team without doubt.
    Cabaye and Remy will be wanting to approach the WC with a certain level of fitness…. We can’t expect them to bust a gut or risk injury with such an important event on the horizon. A conspiracy theory perhaps, but we would perhaps all do the same ? 🙄

    Batten down the hatches, whatever Pardew tells us be prepared for mediocracy second half of the season…

    At the same time I’m convinced that we will see incoming transfer activity at the toon, but not before the late summer 2014, once the WC is out of the way… We are probably busy at the moment putting those deals in place… If we can save millions of pounds in fees by waiting 6 months for a player that trully in his heart wants to come to the toon then it makes sense…

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  8. Of course we’re a sell to buy club. That why we constantly show an interest but dont proceed as we need to sell first. apart from last Jan when we were under-threat from relegation.

    Total Profit on transfers under Ashley from 2007-2013 – £18,901,600

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  9. Has Kinnear signed a new player yet ?
    Or is he still looking for some dumb club to buy Obertan. No one’s that stupid. Slug racing is more fun than watching Kinnear **** up every single transfer.

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  10. I don’t think we are a sell to buy club at all. Other than Carroll, who have we sold to buy?.
    Spurs are a sell to buy club!.

    We’re just a don’t fecking buy!.

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  11. @Sharpy

    We bought most of our players off the sale of Carroll. I’m sure we were desperate for Cabaye to go last summer when we had tapped up Gomis etc.

    We dont buy anyone because we havent sold yet. I reckon mikes valuation of players will be pretty extreme.

    2007/08
    Transfers In £33,308,000
    Transfers Out £27,412,000
    Total Spent £5,896,000

    2008/09
    Transfers In £30,954,000
    Transfers Out £36,432,000
    Total Profit £5,838,000

    2009/10
    Transfers In £5,513,200
    Transfers Out £23,804,000
    Total Profit £18,290,800

    2010/11
    Transfers In £11,616,000
    Transfers Out £36,740,000
    Total Profit £25,124,000

    2011/12
    Transfers In £23,025,200
    Transfers Out £14,115,200
    Total Spent £8,910,000

    2012/13
    Transfers In £28,569,200
    Transfers Out £13,024,000
    Total Spent £15,545,200

    Total Profit on transfers from 2007-2013 – £18,901,600

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  12. Mark – stats and figures again mate. Let’s not forget that we were relegated during that time as well (though I’d rather forget myself like). They was a mass exodus of players which was always like to generate a profit – it have to!. We had to clear the wage bill and running costs as the money wasnt coming in as it had been.

    To be described as a sell to buy club simply isn’t true though. We didnt actively sell Ba last Jan, another club activated a clause in his contract which meant we had no choice.

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  13. stats or not mate we’re clearly balancing the books. I’m not complaining but in my opinion we do need to sell before we buy.

    We still havent replaced Ba. or Ranger, Xisco, Best, Loven.. apart from Goof

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  14. Sharpy – You’re right to mention our relegation in respect of us selling players due to revenue loss but if you’re going to do that, it’s important you also mention the increase in Sponsorship revenue (Wonga) and also the huge increase in TV revenue but this hasn’t increased our actual net spend, it’s still on a downward spiral.

    The facts are that we must generate our own income in order for us to buy players. As the board seem totally incapable of increasing commercial revenue (in facts it’s reduced dramatically under Ashley) then selling players is the only way to fund buying players. No club has ever been successful doing this and I doubt we will either.

    It does beg the question though; what’s the point of Mikey Ashley? I thought the point behind having a very wealthy owner was to improve the team by using their own money, therefore getting the club into a position where they can become self financing through bigger commercial deals and success ie Champions League etc…

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  15. Mark – if his aim is to try and balance the books (which it clearly is), then yes, maybe we are better selling to buy. But when people are calling us a sell to buy club, then that’s not the case so far – not to the extent of Spurs anyway.
    If we get rid of Jonas, Obertan, Gosling, Marveaux and Amalfitano – players seen as ‘deadwood’, to clear wages and hopefully replace them with players who will provide more competition to the first team – is that sell to buy?.
    Personally I’d consider selling someone like Cabaye to fund sales as sell to buy.

    At the moment I honest don’t know what direction they are looking to take as they don’t appear to be doing anything!.

    If he’s happy enough with his first 11 then great, but we clearly need forwards and without doubt we need to improve our back up options and the wingers and attacking midfield.

    Balls to loaning out Jonas – sell him now and replace him. Move Obertan and Marveaux on if they have no future with us.
    Look to create the space in the squad, wage bill and add to the transfer kitty with whatever we can get for those players, so that when a player we fancy comes available we can move for them.

    I’d rather we moved Obertan on and loaned a Zaha until either a player in our ranks is ready or ‘a right player at the right price’ player comes up.

    I’m pleased Campbell have been loaned out and is doing well and Armstrong is coming on well in the reserves. But other than that, we are not progressing or strengthing in any way.

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  16. Stu – I understand that mate, and of course you’re right. Money has been spent though, just not a great deal of it. As boring and frustrating as it is, Ashleys loan is still to be paid back so we are never gonna spend mega bucks in transfer windows. I suppose similar to Arsenal when they moved to their new stadium and were paying that expense off. However, what Arsenal did was to continue to spend smaller amounts (for them anyway) to improve the back up players and youth system.
    If we aren’t going to go and spend £15-20m on a player, I’d at least like to see us replacing players that have no future with us, or spend on players 17-18yr old like Bigi or Kemen who will be fed through in a couple of seasons

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  17. Sharpy – Ashley’s main loan isn’t being paid back though. It’s in the accounts as to be paid back on demand, I don’t think there’s anything in the accounts stating the loan from him is actually reducing.

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  18. Kim I bet his heads not in the right place again. Just what the club needs before Norwich and Sunderland.

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  19. @sharpy

    If we get rid of Jonas, Obertan, Gosling, Marveaux and Amalfitano – players seen as ‘deadwood’, to clear wages and hopefully replace them with players who will provide more competition to the first team – is that sell to buy? No m8 thats just good business.

    I’m talking about the purple players. imo we ill never purchase a player until we have guaranteed funds from the sale of a purple. its a sensible approach as long as our valuations arent too high and clubs make offers for them

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  20. I thought Ashley took 11 million reducing the intrest free loan to 129 million. His left 18 million just encase but he will probably take that back as well.

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  21. Stuart, He took back £11m last year I think you’ll find.

    Stem, Aye, but it’s a low offer for him ,even he would have to admit we couldn’t let him go that cheap. That’s them and Arsenal both bid low now, maybe he’s not as good as we think.

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  22. God i have a feeling we are going into the rest of the season with Cabs and Cisse gone and no one in.Think the players left will loose their motivation to try hard for the club and we will endure a ***** run in to the end of the season.Ah well it cant get much worse for me anyhow had an accident last week and broke both arms just getting the feeling back in my fingers to type but ****** it hurts

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  23. Kim – I think the £11m he took back was from when we were relegated, not his main loan (£110m) which I think Sharpy was referring to. So I don’t really think the money owed to him is an excuse for a negative net spend on transfers.

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  24. The flip side we have to take into account is when you buy cheap, you can’t sell for a lot.

    Even though it was a contract release clause, we only paid £4.5m for Cabaye. No club is then going to offer us £30m for him, they would look terrible for having not bid when we did.

    If we get anything near £20m, then that’s a miracle and should be taken quite honestly.

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  25. Not to mention we make insultingly low offers for every player we go for so when a club tries it with us, we can hardly act like the pure damsel in distress.

    You run a club like a second hand market stall, you get treated like one.

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  26. Funky, your whole post at 339 is really flawed imo…. 😕

    The flip side we have to take into account is when you buy cheap, you can’t sell for a lot. ….. why not….Cabaye is the perfect case and it happens all the time..!!!

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  27. Stuart @ 338 exactly right about the loan

    FJ @ 339 you see it happen all the time Porto, Ajax, Lyon, and hundreds of other clubs do business like that and the 3 i mentioned have been massively successful in recent(ish) times.

    Its not our fault they didn’t know or go for Cabaye when they had the chance to do it. We took the risk and turned him into the “star he is now” we should get what we think he is worth to our team.

    Is there an official source that has said there has been a bid made? I doubt it looks like a load of ***** like usual.

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  28. FJ@340, where have we been behaving like damsels in distress ?

    Pardew reckons we are tough negotiators…at least when it comes to selling….. we’re going to be tested over the next couple of days… 😉

    Cannot see anyone coming in until after the World Cup to be honest..

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  29. Munich and Santii,

    Obviously you CAN, there isn’t a rule against it, but I personally haven’t seen it happen often. I just don’t see anyone coming in with a bid anything near what Mata went for in respect of Cabaye. You are bought for a high fee, you tend to be sold for a high fee. You are bought for a cheap price……

    Carroll still went for £15m or more despite bombing at Liverpool. Would West Ham have bid £15m or more if Liverpool had bought him for £10m?

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  30. Flog Cabaye and increase the quantity and quality of the squad in the summer. We might as well as we’re not going to get any higher in the league or lower for that matter so what have we got to lose? It’s the only way we are ever going to improve.

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  31. Munich,

    We constantly hear Pardew talking about how we are at threat of teams taking our best players (like every other club is but they don’t talk it up constantly) and how we get insulting bids for our players. Pardew said just that about Arsenal/Cabaye months ago, that the bid was insulting and ill-timed yet we bid pathetic amounts for players on the day of their matches too.

    It’s hypocrisy and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. If Ashley wants this pure and honest football world where clubs run within their means, he can’t then go and act a **** with transfers.

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  32. I think we are going to lose here. Whatever we get for Cabaye, Montpellier are going to stick on Cabella. Is Cabella good enough to replace Cabaye? If he’s so good why are the top clubs not trying to sign him and why don’t PSG bid for him? But this where we are now, a stepping stone to the top clubs.

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  33. FJ

    You havn’t seen people bought for cheap and sold for large profit? Really? It happens all the time.

    http://bleacherreport.com/articles/764290-transfer-records-alexis-snchez-and-the-top-20-most-profitable-transfers-ever/page/5

    Thats a tiny fraction of them as well

    Andy Carroll was way over priced by Liverpool. What West Ham paid Liverpool was probably closer to his real price. He was worthless to Liverpool but they needed to make some of there money back and West Ham need a striker desperately.

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  34. Being a stepping stone is not a big deal, every club outside of about 5 are stepping stone clubs.

    It’s the futility of our mission that does my head in. We work to fit in with FFP and will not spend one penny more than we decide a player is worth yet no other club works to the same rules so the only team to lose out and suffer is ourselves.

    It’s a ridiculous system to operate by especially when the authorities will not change things to make other clubs act this way. Cutting our nose off repeatedly.

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  35. Santii,

    All those 4 or so that actually involved a British club involved “top four” teams and the European ones were the same team names over and over and over. It’s an elite club closed to accepting new members.

    You rarely see Preston North End buy a player and sell him to Real Madrid for 30x the value and we’re essentially PNE or Crewe Alexandra in the footballing world these days.

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  36. Funky @ 349 – Absolutely spot on. Only we suffer. We won’t pay a penny more than we think someone is worth and don’t even negotiate, yet when selling expect to get over the odds. It’s happened once and they think they can do it with every player.

    It’s led to us being a mid table mediocre side and won’t change.

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  37. FUNKYJESUS
    ‘You rarely see Preston North End buy a player and sell him to Real Madrid for 30x the value’

    Preston North End bought David Nugent from Bury for £100,000 in January 2005 and sold him to Portsmouth for £6million in July 2007. That represents a 60x increase in value. So it does happen at a lower level. 🙂

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  38. ok, I used a bad example, lol.

    My point still stands and I find it valid though. Also, to use that as our sole and exclusive transfer strategy is lunacy.

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  39. lol I’m not even going to bother with that post. I think i will leave this fight to MM 😀

    Proof and evidence doesn’t seem to matter but a rumor in a paper or a website is taken as a truth.

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  40. We’re going down the toilet as a club. Newcastle United will be out of existence by 2080. Why even bother fighting it?

    I now support San Lorenzo.

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  41. If Cabaye plays well in the WC, we’ll get a much bigger price, won’t we?

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  42. I’d doubt it since he’d be down to his final two years of his contract. His value now is the peak it will ever be, I’d presume.

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  43. Stuart@338, Cheers, that makes sense.

    I don’t care how it looks, if we took a chance on him and no one else did that’s there look out. We bought him on, he’s made his name in the PL with us, why should we sell at a stupid price and damage our league standing. Nope they can do one or come back with £20m it’s not like they ain’t got it, is it.

    Axel@337, Jesus mate, that’s awful luck mate, get well soon. Going to the loo must be fun 🙁

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  44. Kimtoon,

    You are right, they can come back with more – but he has two and a half years left on his contract, does he not? Two years on the next transfer window and his value will never increase on what it is now, it will only go down as teams will wait out windows and get him cheap or even free. His age is also an issue in terms of selling him on.

    We don’t have much in the way of wiggle room on his price, especially after this transfer window.

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  45. Funky, I think this could flush out a rival bid anyway which could work in our favour . I do think he’s worth more than £14m by todays prices, forget what we paid that’s history. I would like to see him stay until the end of the season tbh , if he has a good world cup his value will rocket 28 or no 28.

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  46. Arsenal tried to get Cabaye for 11M didn’t they. Now PSG tries for 14M. I think Ashley will only sell for 20M or more. It’s still quite possible ManU will come in with a bid and combine him with Mata. But that would really take the wind out of our sails unless we get Cabella in straight away. Can Joe handle this or will he end up in hospital?

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  47. Surely we wouldn’t sell Cabaye then do nothing for incoming? Cabaye has 6 goals so far I think and is by far our best attacking mid. With Tiote in form they make a fine partnership. But break that up and we have real problems going forward.

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  48. This is a separate issue I know but what will it take to get us competitive in the cups? I just don’t know at this point. It shows a complete lack of professionalism by the club. Surely it must have Pardew and the coaches tearing their hair out? If not they should be ashamed as well. 👿

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  49. Is this window going to end in another complete cockup for us as with the Carroll sale? Wait to the last minute, sell Cabaye for 20 odd million then say we tried but failed to get someone in? It’s starting to smell that way to me.

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  50. The fifth round draw of the fa cup is beautifully matched up. Every game should be competitive. We could have been in there but no that would be asking to much. We would have had to beat Cardiff at home after all. 👿

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  51. Phew!

    Finally some positive transfer news. At least now we know we can actually get something for Cabaye.

    £14m is a few million too short. £17m or £18m is probably a good price but i wonder if they have a player on the bench that they’d be willing to swap?

    In the summer i was hoping Cabaye for Sakho but now he’s at Liverpool so hopefully there is someone else.

    Cabaye is a good Premier League player but he’s not Worldclass. There are plenty of good midfielders for £15m especially for a club that is in a weak league.

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  52. Phew!
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    Finally some positive transfer news. At least now we know we can actually get something for Cabaye.

    £14m is a few million too short. £17m or £18m is probably a good price but i wonder if they have a player on the bench that they’d be willing to swap?

    In the summer i was hoping Cabaye for Sakho but now he’s at Liverpool so hopefully there is someone else.

    Cabaye is a good Premier League player but he’s not Worldclass. There are plenty of good midfielders for £15m especially for a club that is in a weak league.

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  53. G2 @ 365 🙄
    yup smells about spot on does that.
    Lets be honest, and admit this season is done now for NUFC
    virtually safe in the league for another season, cant realistically climb any higher and also unlikely to drop more than a few places either.
    I’m certain that if the opportunity should arise that cashley will take the money on the final day.
    I’ve heard he has his heli serviced and fuelled up to the max, ready to whisk kebab away at a moments notice.
    luvley jubbley

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  54. He has to recover some of that cash he blew buying all those Debenhams shares after all.
    I really hope he starts recouping his debt to himself sooner than later.
    He wont ****** off until he does, so the sooner the better I say.
    kant

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  55. The end of this week could be horrible for us if Cabaye goes BB mate. I’m really starting to get anxious to get this over with now. I just don’t trust Joe either. I hope his pacemaker has had a tuneup lately. With Mike and Joe plotting quietly behind the scenes we’ve got a lot to worry about. 👿

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  56. @G2

    Marveaux is our best attacking mid followed by Ben Arfa.

    Cabaye’s best position is deeper. He’s almost like a Pirlo type player.

    Hopefully by selling Cabaye Pardew will be forced to start Anita & play him for the entire game.

    It should also increase the possibility of Marveaux or Ben Arfa playing.

    It’s ridiculous that Pardew needs to be forced into making changes rather than him actually taking the initiative.

    It’s utter rubbish that Cisse & Ba can’t play alongside each other.

    Or that the team is better without Marveaux, Ben Arfa, Cisse, Anita, Mbiwa, Hadaira.

    Mbiwa & Williamson is a better partnership than Colo & Williamson.

    Anita has to be the first name on the team sheet.

    Why is our only long term striker on the bench behind a loan player or a player who’s contract is running out?

    Why can our best player not be accomodated in the team? Brendan Rodgers changed his system to accomodate both Sturridge & Suarez.

    Why is one of the best creative players in the league & the best creative player at the club struggling to even make the bench? It’s not like Marveaux is another Nile Ranger.

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  57. Cabaye leaving is a good thing for the club. He holds too much influence at the club & gets too stroppy.

    We already have enough cover in midfield to cope without reinforcements if he does leave.

    Cabaye has done a good job for us but this year is the best time to move him on.

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  58. I think Marveaux is done with us KK mate. I’ve heard around the grapevine that his attitude actually sucks in training etc. He has talent but won’t use it consistently. I just fear we’ll lose Cabaye and Ashley will already have a plan to make a last minute lowball bid and then say we tried as usual. I’m not sure I see anyone at our club who can replace Cabaye’s six goals from MF. Benny is an entirely different type of player and looks overweight to me now. Another big worry. For an eighth place team in the Prem this kind of carrying on is ridiculous.

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