West Ham may be busting a gut to bring Rafa Benitez to the London Stadium, but I’d like to bet that the Spaniard is only entertaining their interest for one reason and one reason only – to make Ashley believe he’s serious about leaving and force him into action.
Us NUFC fans woke up to some pretty horrible news today, with Sky and various others stating that West Ham are planning a big move to activate his £6m clause and give him whatever he wants this summer.
I have absolutely no doubt that they’re interested, but I have serious doubts as to whether he’d genuinely be interested in taking that job.
They may have a few quality players he’d like to work with and could throw a bit of money his way, but when you see how he talks about NUFC, the community, the fans, the potential and what he’s spent two years trying to build, why would he swap us for a club in such a similar position?! I’d be shocked – especially given their owners aren’t much less unpredictable and erratic than Mike Ashley himself!
His future is a real concern and talk of him leaving makes me feel physically sick given his importance to this club and everything he stands for at NUFC (hope), but I’m hoping (and am quite confident) that it’s all a big ploy on Benitez’s part – make it look like you’re about to leave and Ashley will probably panic, realise what he could be about to lose and pull his finger out.
The worry is that Ashley is a massive risk taker, but he’d face a backlash like never before if Benitez left and he’d also see the value of his asset (NUFC) fall incredibly. Why would he want to oversee the mess he’d create in allowing Rafa to walk away?
Rafa is a clever man. Talks over a new deal clearly haven’t progressed quickly enough so he’s taking action. He’s not got any intention to join West Ham in my opinion, he’s just going to make it look that way in a bid to force Ashley into action.
The key for me will be how Ashley now responds to this. If he doesn’t then he’s an even bigger fool than I could have ever possibly imagined, and then, who knows that will happen with Rafa Benitez..
What is this from Southgate that Shelvey is not good in the dressing room? Does anybody know if this is true? I read something from Craig Hope in The Mail saying that this is his reputation but that it is mostly that he is shy. For a Mail journalist Craig Hope is quite good in my opinion.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I am pretty sure I would fall out with a few people in a PL dressing room. From what I see, and from the way the ex-players act, they often pass off bullying and ridicule as “banter”.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I also think Gary Neville should apologize. He is the main Sky pundit and yet wants Ronaldo to stick it to Liverpool because it is Liverpool. The main Sky pundit should not be exhibiting such stupid and petty biases. Maybe it is tongue in cheek, but probably not. His slow brother was commentating on a game last week and spent 20 minutes going on and on about Man U. They weren’t even playing.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Rafa has done best when he has taken over provincial clubs with a rabid, local and loyal fan base. Valencia, Liverpool, hopefully Newcastle. He has done OK elsewhere but was under appreciated at Madrid, Inter and Napoli. I know he is ultra-competitive and will think he would do a job at Wham but would he really want to work at the 4th or 5th best club in the city (Palace are at least on par player wise)? Sure it would be a challenge, but you also have to deal with the hoards of annoying and entitled Southern Press. He already has experience of this at Madrid and Milan.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I read Neville’s remarks again and they really do belie his true feelings and biases. He has dressed them up in a bit of self parody but he is still being a c@ck.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
My guess is that if Fulham lose the playoff then WHam will poach their manager and also Mitro. It doesn’t make sense that Rafa would have to start again with owners that are at least as two-faced as Ashley and with a similarly under-talented squad (is that a word 🙂 ).
Eric Sykes(Quote)
“I’d like to bet that the Spaniard is only entertaining their interest for one reason and one reason only – to make Ashley believe he’s serious about leaving and force him into action”
Have I missed something, can you point me in the direction of the source of your info that Rafa is “entertaining their interest”?
mactoon(Quote)
Get your Trumpets, Drums and Great Escape Sheet Music out because England are very likely to get to the quarter finals of the World Cup. Why? Because they have the easiest group and then would face a team from the 2nd easiest Group in the round of 16.
England will face a team from Group H, which is:
Poland, Senegal, Colombia and Japan
Nothing is guaranteed there but it is weaker than the other groups.
I haven’t looked at all of the permutations but if England get through it is likely to be an “heroic” exit to Germany or Brasil in the QF. Of course, they could just freeze and not get out of the group stage like in Brasil or bottle it to Japan like they did to Iceland at the Euros.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
As I said previously I think it will be more about what happens at NUFC rather than what West Ham can offer him. West Ham will make him promises and they will be currently worth more than Ashley’s because he’s seen him break his.
Will Rafa accept another transfer window like the last three? Will he be happy with the club to continue to be slow, unambitious and limited interest in getting better?
Personally I think it’s all about what NUFC offer and if they change. If, as is being reported they’re still not telling him his budget and he hasn’t even spoke to Jabba yet I am not confident.
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This is strange. The season has ended and there are only 3 football things on my mind: Rafa, The World Cup and The Champions League. I don’t care how England do but I want to see Germany/Brasil or France/Argentina.
What is strange is that I don’t give a monkeys about the FA Cup. When I was a kid I would watch the BBC coverage from the start at 11am all the way through to the ceremony. It starts at 9am in the US and I do not care if I sleep through it. I will tape it and might watch and I don’t care who wins. Well, maybe I want Chelsea to see Jose miserable, but I think Man U should be favourites.
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I don’t get why Fatty doesn’t just pick up the phone and call Rafa. Tell him he’s on holyday but that him and Charnley should meet him at a suite at the Heathrow Hilton across from the terminal and they will hash it all out. Cut the ***** Brothers off at the knees. That lawyer bloke doesn’t need to be involved because he was there for a sale and that’s not happening, however much **** the Chronic want to stir about it.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Its a bloody hour flight to Heathrow and I am sure there is a flight from Liverpool as well. This could be so easy, why is Fatman making it so hard?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, this is what he does. It’s his power play. He’s in charge, it’s his way and nobody will persuade him it’s different. Rafa is just another employee to him. He doesn’t care what effect Rafa leaving will have. He’s gambling that Rafa will stay regardless. It’s amazing how egotistical the man is. Even after failure after failure he still doesn’t think he needs to change.
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Stuart: I could do a NUFC budget on the back of a napkin. The main figures like wages, TV Money, Commercial and Gate money are all known as long as you assume we remain in the PL. And if you don’t assume that, then why are we even here? So just take this year’s figures and make some player sales estimates. Huzzah you have a budget!
No pissing around with offsetting future wages against this years budget because even Ashley must know that is not how accounting works.
You tell Rafa that he has to match new wages against outgoing wages and any increases get deducted from the transfer budget. But only the 1st year wage, because that is all you have to pay in the first year FFS.
You are a businessman Stuart, this makes sense, right? And it could LITERALLY be done on the back of a napkin.
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i will enjoy the WC but i hope England get thumped in the group,these FA jokers havent got a clue there needs to be a right clear out
icedog(Quote)
Eric, I long since give up working out Jabba’s business model at NUFC. What kind of business pays all their suppliers up front but then offers their customers a couple of years payment terms…? 😕
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Jesus, what is going on when Rafa is the only show in town.
Do the Chuckle brothers have an agenda here, as I am sure they are aware he will not and never has been anywhere near managing their club……I really feel for those fans in East London who like us Geordies love their club but have a Cuckoo in the nest, in fact they have 2.
My guess is they actually are struggling, this is how they ended up with Moyes, and perhaps they should ask their fans who should take over and look closer to home.
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I know! I just hope he has changed that. It is more than a couple of years as well. It is usually over the length of the player contract. 6 mil a year for 5 years in Sissoko’s case. I know this because idiots on Spurs blogs were saying Levy got a great deal because if Sissoko left they wouldn’t owe NUFC any more money 🙂 The internet is a wonderful thing but it is populated by some fools.
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Ice: I finally gave up on England in 2010. England were playing the Yanks and I bought a 50 inch TV and had a party for 30 people. It was supposed to be the birth of Rooney as a budding superstar and the swansong of the golden generation. It was a pile of ****. I tried to explain to Americans who didn’t follow soccer much that it was usually better than this. That’s when I threw in the towel so Southgate ignoring Shelvey came as no surprise.
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I don’t understand Arteta Arsenal talk. He has done nothing yet.
Shamrock(Quote)
London Evening Standard, another tabloid that makes stuff. Pure speculation on the Rafa story.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Aren’t they looking for the second coming of Pep as he played for them and works under Pep. How often has that happened? Even Pep managed Barca B. There was the Liverpool boot room but that was different.
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“Part of the problem, though, is that Newcastle will not receive their next chunk of television money until mid-July. That will leave only two weeks of the transfer window to spend that money, which means there is a cash flow problem at St James’ Park in terms of giving Benitez funds to spend at the start of the window.“
This is from Telegraph. How on earth can you run a football club like this? Miss out on all your targets because the money didn’t come in in time!!! FFS! Borrow the money from the bank for God’s sake on a short term basis. It really is a mess.
I’ll say it now, I don’t belief whoever is in the managers seat we won’t achieve anything at all with this idiot owning the club.
Stuart79(Quote)
Apparently the regime at Newcastle “are increasingly concerned Rafa could leave.” Hahahaha!!! Would you believe that!
Stuart79(Quote)
“I would like to reassure our supporters that we have left no stone unturned in selecting the individual we believe is the right man to take West Ham United forward.
“We have followed a process that is progressing entirely to plan and are now very close to reaching an agreement.
“This is an exciting time for our football club. We are preparing to appoint a manager who has a proven record of success at the highest level of the game.”
David Sullivan…
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Stuart mate, I have said this about 100 times on here. They know the money is coming in so get a bloody overdraft and have Ashley/MASH holdings secure it if that is necessary.
NUFC income if they stay in the PL is about as predictable as it gets. They know the TV, they get a full house, the commercial, shirt and catering deals are multi-year. They have about as stable cash flow as any business could ever has. IT IS ALL GUARANTEED MONEY. What other business has that!!!!
You don’t have to live beyond your means, just spend what is coming in and don’t be Sunderland and don’t employ Steve McClaren.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
That could also be Pellegrini or Emery.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Could also be Bielsa or even Juup Heynkes (unlikely).
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Could even be Brendan Rodgers who I actually think would be a good fit for WHam.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
According to Sky Italia Rafa has rejected WH. Who are they?
Stuart79(Quote)
Apparently, they got what they want.
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Actually, Eric I’ve just seen another version of the statement and it says proven premier league and European manager.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sounds like Pelligrini as he has managed in both and that is a name they were said to be interviewing with money being the main issue.
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If it was Rafa Sullivan would have said proven European, Premier League and CHAMPIONSHIP manager 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I think Rodgers would fit Leicester as well. They wanted to move away from counter attack. I don’t know if I said this before but he did OK at Liverpool but then Klopp was available so it was a no-brainer.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, do you think Jabba will come up with the goods and keep Rafa?
Stuart79(Quote)
Btw just to show how big a deal this is, if Rafa goes then it will be impossible to keep the likes of Lascelles, Shelvey or Perez ect… How do you tell them we’re ambitious and they can fulfil their ambitions here.
Stuart79(Quote)
Ranieri left his job today. If you wanna make a few quid take him to West Ham ?
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I really don’t know. I am 4,000 miles away. There is certainly something going on though. All sides playing against the middle. If I had to bet, I would say not West Ham but that does not mean he would not accept a better offer if Fatman continues with his mindgames.
And I mean all sides, Fatty, Rafa and Sullivan.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
West Ham are a passionate bunch of fans. I only had one thing against them until this current bunch of cnuts took over. And that was the WHam won England the world cup tripe.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
The WHam fans go to the same bar I go to in Chicago and they are always up for the game. I don’t speak to them much as I am always afraid I might inadvertently insult Saint Bobby Moore. I don’t know, I might say that he was no Jamaal Lascelles or something as a joke and they might take it the wrong way 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I’m still in two minds myself, Eric. I have no confidence that Jabba will allow Rafa to build the club and my fear is that Rafa just goes anywhere just to get away from the *****.
Stuart79(Quote)
Rafa is a bit of a maverick in a 3 piece suit and glasses though. Who would have ever thought he would have called up NUFC after Real Madrid?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
The bonus to all this is that it will be over shortly. I think we’ll have a decent idea tomorrow where this goes and know for definite by Monday.
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My head is spinning with the number of unsettling rumours, assurances, claims and counter-claims I’ve heard today regarding Rafa Benitez and West Ham. What is clear, though, is that #nufc are playing a very risky game at the moment. More to follow on
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Sky Sports reporting NUFC are confident of keeping Rafa. So, we know something is afoot. The fact they’re confident says to me that they’re either stupid or they will give Rafa what he needs. Take your pick!
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Stuart: On Tuesday when he was sh!tting on Moyes on Tuesday Sullivan said he would get this done in 10 days. At that time Rafa said he was only talking to NUFC. That sounds like he was confident that he had someone lined up but then why bring Rafa into it?
Leverage to get Pelligrini to sign?
That he is just an arrogant *****?
That he was throwing Rafa’s name out there to gauge interest?
That they had tapped Rafa up?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Photo taken just now Rafa at London airport??
Icedog(Quote)
Anyone else using a iPhone and the page turns into a “you’ve won a competition” page?
Stuart79(Quote)
Eric, given what Sullivan has said I would say Pellegrini would be the more obvious but I still worry we’re messing him about and there are other clubs circling.
Stuart79(Quote)
Couple of pics on F/B of Rafa in Heathrow airport I’ve looked and it is him and recent,could be there to talk to players like
Icedog(Quote)
Often get them on my apple iPad,I tak nee notice
Icedog(Quote)
Apparently the club thinks they have Rafa in a “water tight contract” ?? That sums them up. They think £6m today is water tight.
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Stu – aye it’s doing me fucking nut in, only seems to be when I’m accessing this site though – I’ve had bloody google, Amazon and iPhone all wanting to give me a new phone
Sharpy17(Quote)
You gotit Stu. I was laughing when I read it. Ashley dares WH to pay it.
runforrestrun(Quote)
Ranieri will be WH manager next season, you heard it here first ?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Ice: Facebook had that Stavely deal done about a million times. People on trolling all of the time on social media. I don’t know what they get out of it. Some sort of 15 minutes of fame thing?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Didn’t Jabba promise £20m bonus to the squad if we won the FA cup? So we must have that still in the bank then.
Stuart79(Quote)
I hope this is all paper talk and at this point my gut still says Pelligrini but here are a few things to consider:
1. If Iicedog’s facebook spotters are correct and Sullivan’s smugness is a tell then this should be over with quickly.
2. The buyout is 6 million so if Rafa wants to leave he will do so and Ashley will have no say. Ashley wouldn’t even have to interrupt his holiday unless he makes a counter-offer.
3. Then the circus really kicks off.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
ERIC I’ve really studied those pics very closely to me Rafa looks about eight years younger so imo they could be oldies
Icedog(Quote)
I saw that. What a ridiculous thing to say! Embarrassing actually. **** his contract, which means precisely nowt. Instead tell us about what you have promised him and why it is such a good offer that it matches his ambitions – and that is the reason why you are confident he will stay.
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Has he sold the club yet ?
kimtoon(Quote)
And there was us all being told there was other interested parties 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Think Rafa is off lads, and who can blame him with that cockroach for an owner.
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Just hope it’s not WH, their fans really don’t deserve Rafa.
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‘We’ve learned our lessons’.
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Whatever happens feels like a crossroads moment for #nufc. Bright future or ‘the unthinkable’ and back to open revolt…
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WHUFC making big promises but they’ve made big promises before. Rafa will note that a few days after Moyes bemoans leak culture news of this approach leaks – and the world knows about it.
Plenty will warn him off. But #nufc can’t rely on loyalty forever given their approach.
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Rafa to West Ham links may be a good thing if they quicken the pace of talks, which are ‘ongoing’ but have frustrated Benitez so far. They’ll need to go further than they have so far to tie him down to long term deal.
Would be an absolute disaster for #nufc if he goes.
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West Ham willing to give Newcastle’s Benitez WHATEVER HE WANTS to take them to that fabled next level #WHUFC #NUFC @MirrorDarren http://bit.ly/2k4ffsm
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2 years ago watching @England in France with my mates. Now on the plane to Russia. How things have changed. #AlwaysBelieve
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#NUFC’s total Premier League prize money for this season has been confirmed. Eighth highest in the division…
Absolutely no reason not to back Rafa, total BS if he’s not.
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Sorry wasn’t meant to paste that lot 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Spot on, Sham. So telling that it’s because they think it’s his water right contract and not his working conditions and ambitions that will keep him.
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Hell of a Twitter feed that, Kim! ?
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😆 was only meant to be the last tweet Stu, that’s all I highlighted but something obvs went wrong. 😳
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Hope Olly/Martin Hardy are right and it is Pellegrini. Sullivan had met with him so that makes sense and he is probably sick of the poor quality of football in China anyway. From this distance it sort of set off a panic at NUFC but will that even matter to Ashley?
English options getting fewer if this all pans out the way it looks like it will with only Leicester left. I said it before but that is a bit of a poisoned chalice as well as their owner likes to sack managers and apart from 1 magical season what have they ever done? As I said earlier, it would be perfect for Brendan because he must be as sick of playing pub teams as Pellegrini was of playing semi-pro level teams.
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jabba has offered Rafa 50 mil.to spend.what a joke
icedog(Quote)
A decent forward and half a winger it is then 😆
Has he sold us yet ?
kimtoon(Quote)
Quote from today’s Times (sorry!) – “Moyes wanted greater control of transfers and less interference from above” funny that doesn’t at all like what Rafa would want as well!
quite
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WHU is a parody – A club who play in a soulless athletics arena bankrolled by that wretched **** Karen Brady and her Tory cronies, in front of nauseating mockney stereotypes who moan incessantly about a desire to see football played in the ‘West Ham way’. Which is a fucking myth.
😆 don’t beat about the bush like.
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