I’ll be totally honest here. I think £30m for Perez is good business and have felt for months now that he was always going to leave – whether Rafa stays or not.
There’s been claims that the fee could be £16m, but both Sky Sports, the Chronicle and BBC Radio Newcastle are saying £30m, so let’s go with that.
My issue isn’t Perez leaving for £30m – it’s a great offer and he always looked likely to leave. My issue is the fact I have ZERO faith in Mike Ashley’s ability to reinvest the money received.
He was our top scorer last season and has been one of our star men over the past few years, however, at £30m, he’s very much replaceable IF you reinvest.
The big issue here is the fact I have a good idea what Mike will do with that money received – and it won’t be to tell any new manager to go and get better with £30m.
Will it go in his piggy bank as he prepares to buy the latest high-street store on the decline? Will he sign a bargain basement replacement and keep the rest for himself? Or will he ‘reinvest’ but only give any new manager £30m provided it covers both transfer fee, agent costs and wages of Perez’s replacement?
Had Rafa stayed (and been promised £20-£30m to replace Perez) or had new owners arrived with a competent manager by their side, I’d be feeling fairly optimistic about our chances of replacing Ayoze – a player who’s supremely talented on his day, but also someone who’s shown real inconsistency in terms of his final product, involvement in games and goal return.
I’m not saying he’s not a good player and £30m is outrageous fee to be paying for him, but I think the real underlying issue here is how he’ll be replaced.
Just look at what Mike Ashley has done in the past. He sold Andy Carroll for £35m and replaced him with Shefki Kuqi. Mikel Merino left – a highly rated Spanish international with a huge future ahead of him – and he was replaced with a relegated Ki Sung-Yeung who’s career has been on the decline.
The timing of it also stinks given we’re still trying to get over Rafa’s exit, the takeover silence and the fact Rondon is now as good as gone. It comes after several bits of devastating news with not one positive in between, but the real issue here for me is my total lack of faith in a quality replacement arriving – and the same applies to Rafa and Rondon.
And that’s a HUGE worry when you consider we’d have been left on 21 points last season if you took away Rondon and Perez’s goals, not forgetting the fact Benitez gave us so much solidarity and organisation at the back.
Negatives all the way at the moment. It’ll have to get better or there’ll be no club left.
At least all the Perez talk has deflected from the sight of Rafa’s halo circling his right boot.
You can’t blame the guy for leaving but this Chinese deal must have been going on for months.
Did he have to wait until the last day to announce it? That said he probably had about £2.5m after tax. Now it’s £12m . . . too much to refuse?
georgio(Quote)
I think the difficult thing to remember at the moment is that it was always likely Perez was leaving this summer anyway – or should I say he’s been saying he wanted to – actually he was saying he’d like to return to Spain, but what people say and what people do doesn’t seem to matter.
I think £30m is a decent fee when you consider we got Almiron for £25m just in January.
My concern is also the reinvestment of funds, but it’s more than that just now.
My biggest concern about allowing this deal to happen right now and so publicly is the added negativity it brings to the club.
Fans angered at the way the Rafa situation played out, selling Perez, the takeover looking less likely every day – all of these things must be making the decent managers think twice.
If you were Martinez would you leave Belgium?. If you were Arteta would you leave City – for the current NUFC situation I mean.
However, if you are Moyes or Monk and currently out of work?!.
It’s the timing of the deal that bothers me more than the deal itself for me.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We are ****** Olly, nowt more to say.
kimtoon(Quote)
Someone (NUFC Fans) have to pay for his 150 million Debenhams **** Up, again the cash cow that is NUFC with be bleed dry, and the fans will have to like it or lump it. Mike Ashley isn’t going anywhere folks.
Nufc 11(Quote)
Who will be next seems to be a fire sale get rid of whoever he can make money on in regard to players, keep,all,the money still demand 350M when he will have sold off all the assets and no time to replace them if we get new owner and he will then keep,the deadwood that we farmed out on loan and cannot sell who are not premier league standard. If he is selling the club this is his last chance to stick it to the fans
Brian scobie(Quote)
https://twitter.com/SteveBurn91/status/1146526966046216192
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kimtoon(Quote)
Rondon linked to West Ham for £14m
kimtoon(Quote)
Been a while now since we needed a manager. Nothing to report. Martinez isn’t interested in the gig. Shock!
Who would take this job? Pardew? Fry? Atkinson? Bassatt?
Stuart79(Quote)
There’s two different questions to be asked.
Would you like to manage NUFC? Yes, yes all the way.
Would you work for Mike Ashley?
That’s what we’re looking at. Who would want the job when someone like Rafa couldn’t handle it? All the serial failures would come and that’s probably what will happen. Ashley will panic and appoint someone who’s sole brief will be avoiding relegation. Step forward Tony Pulis.
georgio(Quote)
Stu – it has only ever been a 2 horse race – Monk or Moyes.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Nobody seems to have mentioned the fact that we got £30m for Perez shows the challenge the club will have now to buy any players. He ain’t worth anywhere near that but we go it. What are the chances of our club being up to date with the current transfer prices? No chance.
There’s now so much to do for us in such a short space of time I find it inconceivable that we won’t be in a relegation battle and lose.
Stuart79(Quote)
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kimtoon(Quote)
Apparently Karen Byers has been running SD for many years.
Here’s 2 names never been mentioned and they’ve played for us in the past. Michael O’Neill or Nobby Solano.
georgio(Quote)
What good is having £100m to spend if the squad is so depleted it’s not enough?
Stuart79(Quote)
Probably quit to take on the manager role at NUFC… the only one willing to take it. ??
Dubai Toon(Quote)
Dubai
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kimtoon(Quote)
big day for Eric y/day must still be drunk 😆 🙄
icedog(Quote)
no nowt Ryder says Toon havent even had a bid for the club,nee shock to me this fakeover
icedog(Quote)
Time is running out fofr the takeover. But to be honest, time is running out for everything though!
Stuart79(Quote)
Even Derby have attracted a better manager than we will. Cocu has a decent record…
Stuart79(Quote)
Ice – I saw that tweet from Ryder. If that’s the case, why have the Chronicle not written that before now?!?!!!!.
Ryder is a joke in my opinion. The Chronicle have ran plenty of stories about the takeover – but not one that I’ve seen that no offer has been made – until this tweet from Ryder.
I have no faith in anything the Chronicle or it’s journos said personally.
Sharpy17(Quote)
So Chelsea wanted Lampard, they had to negotiate a compensation fee and negotiate terms with Frank. That’s all been done and he’s in post – but it left Derby without a manager – same boat as us.
But hang on, Derby have managed to appoint Cocu today – we are still mincing about ‘approaching’ managers.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy – Both Derby and Chelsea probably have the advantage of manageras actually wanting to go there. At NUFC it has Moyes or Ranieri written all over when they have realised nobody else wants the gig.
Stuart79(Quote)
Moyes, Ranieri, Hughes, Pulis, Bruce. None of these failures should be considered but you can bet your life that’s the list Charnley is working through. Martinez or Arteta? Too ambitious for MA.
georgio(Quote)
Stu – yeah and the difference is that Chelsea went after Lampard and Derby went after Cocu – we make half ar$ed enquiries.
It must be great to work for NUFC, you can achieve sod all week after week and absolute job security.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I’m sure it’s gonna be either Moyes or Monk – certain of it.
But again, this is what NUFC do. If they then go and get Martinez or Arteta, that would be seen as a bit of an achievement.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Think this makes me think of the Toon
Matt says it was written about the last moments of a persons life but could be applied to society, religion, a relationship or whatever ( a football club ).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrujXrB1_aE
Time is Running Out
Muse
I think I’m drowning
Asphyxiated
I want to break the spell
That you’ve created
You’re something beautiful
A contradiction
I want to play the game
I want the friction
You will be
The death of me
Yeah, you will be
The death of me
Bury it
I won’t let you bury it
I won’t let you smother it
I won’t let you murder it
Our time is running out
And our time is running out
You can’t push it underground
We can’t stop it screaming out
I wanted freedom
But I’m restricted
I tried to give you up
But I’m addicted
Now that you know I’m trapped
Sense of elation
You’ll never dream of breaking this fixation
You will squeeze the life out of me
Bury it
I won’t let you bury it
I won’t let you smother it
I won’t let you murder it
Our time is running out
And our time is running out
You can’t push it underground
We can’t stop it screaming out
How did it come to this
You will suck the life out of me
Bury it
I won’t let you bury it
I won’t let you smother it
I won’t let you murder it
Our time is running out
And our time is running out
You can’t push it underground
We can’t stop it screaming out
How did it come to this
kimtoon(Quote)
so Kevin Nolan defends Jabba on talksport 😮
https://twitter.com/talkSPORT/status/1147057526665601025
Watch at 41 seconds in when he says mike wants to sell he touches his nose, that’s a lie right there.
kimtoon(Quote)
I see Kevin Nolan is the latest to speak up in defence of Ashley.
Joey Barton said if he was offered the NUFC job now it would be too good to turn down.
These were 2 people who were lorded up for making a stand against Ashley when they were players – making a stand so they would get more money.
I thought both were ar$eholes then, and my opinion of both has never changed.
Sharpy17(Quote)
You’re in good company Sharpy. MA couldn’t wait to get them out of the club. 😆
georgio(Quote)
Georgio – I can tell from your emoji you are joking mate. But that’s usually what you get if you speak up against those having a dig at Ashley – you must be an Ashley supporter.
I’m definitely not!!. Can’t stand the bloke. But there is middle ground, and I’m not daft enough to miss that some that dig at Ashley can also have their own agenda.
Sharpy17(Quote)
One thing I will say about Nolan’s interview though is that he’s right about Ashley being the same now as he has always been.
He made them an offer on bonuses and said take it or leave.
He’s also right that Rafa would have known what he was getting with Ashley from day 1.
But for him to say he feels sorry for Ashley is BS. If Ashley was so desperate to sell, he would do the right things to get the deal through.
Sharpy17(Quote)
The lack of comment from BZG is starting to suggest the whole thing is not happening. It’s no surprise as everything that happens with NUFC moves at snails pace.
Derby let Lampard go on Wednesday and announce his replacement on Thursday.
georgio(Quote)
I really can’t understand how it hurts either party to say it’s with review of the PL if the deal is at that stage.
I’ve never bought or sold a football club mind, so I don’t know – but what damage can be done by saying what stage it’s at?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Just arrived back in the Toon for our summer holiday. The only thing I see is we may be selling Darlow… not fussed about that one to be honest.
Dubai Toon(Quote)
never was a real intent to sell. Not unless he could retain certain advertising and merchandise control, after all that’s why he bought us.
I’m sure he wants to sell, if he can get the above and a shed load of cash too. Look to Rangers and what he did with just 10% share then ask yourselves what’s possible with 100% ownership.
He’s accountable to no one and can do as he pleases and not one fan can do anything about it except walk away.
kimtoon(Quote)
Dubai, have a good time, hopefully you have bought us some good luck .
kimtoon(Quote)
Thanks Kim.. I hope so..
Dubai Toon(Quote)
So Charnley’s come back from a trip to Europe. It will have been as successful as Chamberlains
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, he’s probably gone to Europe with carrs list, i swear he’s still in the background .
kimtoon(Quote)
He’s been out there on a scouting mission …. he’s only just realised it was the women’s WC though ??♂️
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sky saying MU are preparing a bid for Longstaff – only a matter of time before he’s next out the door then ??
No new owner or manager would want to come the way this is going
Sharpy17(Quote)
I guarantee you NUFC are still working off the same valuations as when Carr was scouting them.
Stuart79(Quote)
Carr’s reasonably good a identifying good players (Cabaye, Tiote, Ba etc) but very poor on the personality side (Thauvin, Debuchy and a whole host of others).
I know nothing about Nickson who’s supposed to be the recruiting guy.
By the way where’s Eric Sykes? He’s gone from 20 posts a day to zero. You reading Eric?
georgio(Quote)
Georgio, Erics on Eds site now as Tony Balony .
kimtoon(Quote)
Not anymore Kimtoon. I haven’t been banned. At least I think I haven’t.
They didn’t like me very much.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, Ha , yep i saw you stirred up a hornets nest about Bobbybee .
kimtoon(Quote)
And they still believe some gobshyte and his gobsyterry just because he lives in Dubai.
That’s enough of that though. Never seen such a bunch of hypocrites in my life. I was OK with the BobbyB character until he showed his true colours.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Glad you’re OK Eric. Any particular reason for your prolonged absence?
georgio(Quote)
Georgio: Had a chat on Ed’s blog and they didn’t like me very much.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
No manager, no new players, no new owner and no hope?
I am bored of this.
However I have a major gripe about the journalists. This is 12 years of Ashley trying to sell the club. Is it even realistic to believe that every buyer who ahs shown an interest in the club have never had the money? He briefs he never recieves bids and buyers don’t have the money. How is this possible? Why are journalists not investigating Ashley and his false attempts at selling? Why aren’t they getting the truth and splashing it over the papers? He is clearly making it impossible for a buyer to buy.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, we know it’s all BS about wanting to sell, just need the fifty odd thousand who frequent SJP to wise up and walk away.
Short term pain long term gain.
It’s nothing to do with him losing money as he already has ST cash but more about losing face, more importantly, Sky will hate empty stadium all over their broadcast, they would be forced to explain it to the watching audience . We would soon see a drop off in our games being broadcast if a boycott was sustained and that means less exposure for SD.
He has to be made to go, not encouraged to rip off the fans and take the ****.
What i cannot get my head around is why would Stavely, Keynon and BZG, go to the bother of very expensive due diligence and involvement of lawyers if they have no funds ? I would never go to that trouble for a house i knew i couldn’t afford.
They must of been given encouragement to proceed and that makes me think that Mike just sits back watches them spend money whilst enjoying the exposure the club and by association SD get during the summer when there are no games on to expose SD globally. All very convenient and all he has to do is move the goalpost late on to scupper the deal. It’s a fanciful theory i know, but we are dealing with a proven liar and completely duplicitous character here.
kimtoon(Quote)
https://twitter.com/andrewsimp1995/status/1147452711660658688?s=19
cheapskate utd
kimtoon(Quote)
What?? no tomato ketchup?? disgraceful !
sidekick(Quote)
Just back from a month in Florida to find that Ashley still owns the club and that we have no manager.
Think I’ll go back to to Florida for the rest of this season.
sidekick(Quote)
Eric
Is rounders , I mean baseball , finally losing to soccer over there ?
Lots more soccer pitches around Tampa , and lots of kids playing through the school holidays , even in the high 90 degree temperature.
The only local sports news concerned the dwindling crowds at Tampa Rays baseball stadium and to try to boost the crowd they were offering tickets for $2 and only charging $2 for food and $2 for drinks. They were also going to play some of their home games in Tampa instead of St. Petersburg and they were also talking about playing some of their home games in Canada! Unbelievable.
sidekick(Quote)
If next week is another week of no movement in terms of takeover, manager and player recruitment, I fear we screwed for the start of the season. There would be too much to do with only around a month left to do it in.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, beyond a joke now, it’s nothing less than self destruct button stuff this.
Look how quickly Derby replaced Frank, we are a total basket case, lunatics running the asylum .
If he isn’t selling, and i’m sure he isn’t now, then he needs pulling the bloody finger out.
Though in truth i have little appetite for any new manager after Rafa, it’s always gonna feel like settling somehow. 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
It is getting beyond the believable that none of the bidders over the years including BZG have actually had the money to buy the club. This is not what happens at any other club or any other business if it comes to it.
Does MA actually think we can’t see this and how it always happens when the transfer window is open. There’s a big difference between being very very clever and just plain arrogantly stupid. How come nobody in the media is asking this question when it’s so obvious.
Don’t know what to make of BZG going so public on a takeover that might fail and they end up looking stupid.
georgio(Quote)
The club will be thinking that if they appoint a big name manager and sign a couple of players for £30m the fans will come back and it will be as if nothing has happened. They don’t seem to realise that fans know about football and will know our squad will be weaker than it was last season and all the top name managers won’t touch it with a barge pole.
Just to stand still we need two strikers (three if Joselu goes), a centre mid, a winger and a left back. Chances are that will cost more than what we have available but also the club will continue their nonsensical transfer policy of having a price and sticking to it. Even if it means missing out on a player fior the sake of £1m.
We will be relegated this season if Jabba is still here.
Stuart79(Quote)
georgio
July 6, 2019 at 14:59
It is getting beyond the believable that none of the bidders over the years including BZG have actually had the money to buy the club. This is not what happens at any other club or any other business if it comes to it.
Does MA actually think we can’t see this and how it always happens when the transfer window is open. There’s a big difference between being very very clever and just plain arrogantly stupid. How come nobody in the media is asking this question when it’s so obvious.
Don’t know what to make of BZG going so public on a takeover that might fail and they end up looking stupid.
(Quote)
This is what infuriates me mate as well. It’s highly unlikely that the last 3 consortiums trying to buy us all failed to provide funds. As i said earlier , you don’t try to buy something and spend lots of cash on something you know full well you can’t afford.
Example, i spent £2,500 on fees and surveyor for a bungalow i knew i could afford. After 16 weeks with an extremely annoying seller and at the point of exchange she asked for another £10,000 !
now i had the money but withdrew on principle. It cost me a lot but i don’t regret it, i wouldn’t be mugged off, she gambled on my desperation and lost a willing buyer.
I believe this is happening to BZG on a much bigger scale obviously, question is, what are they prepared to put up with.
Ofcourse they could be as Liverpool deemed them ” time wasters ” but they are going to look really bad if two clubs end up calling them out for same thing.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – they have a process for new owners coming in – they should have it for existing owners!!.
He’s no lunatic, he’s just not interested and wants the high st now. I know it’s impossible to impose anything for existing owners but why it’s taking so long to assess BZG when even the blind could see he couldn’t do a worse job than Ashley.
With regards to Rafa – I know I may be on my own here, but now the dust has settled a bit, I’m interested again.
Rafas way was certainly effective, and he done a brilliant job under the circumstances. But I have to say, for a large period under him, I didn’t enjoy watching us.
I understand all of the reasons people are going to throw at me now – and I get them. But I still didn’t enjoy the football.
Now, if someone like say Martinez came in and played a more attacking style and we finished 15th instead of 14th – but I felt more entertained ??♂️.
For clarity, I want more than 15th – but we all know under Ashley that we aren’t competing where we’d all like to see us.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy, Martinez would undo all Rafas defensive hard work imo, don’t want him. I enjoyed us being a tight ship, made a nice change from getting tonked 5 or 6.0 which i bloomin hated . I will say i also wanted to see more attack too though. We finally get it with migs, Ron and Ayoze and now it’s all broken up again.
It was looking so good, power up front, decent mid and stable back line, with Rafa conducting. Now it’s not even back to square one it’s utterly ****** mate. I hate ( and i rarely hate ) that *******, wish he would foxtrot off.
kimtoon(Quote)
I am beyond upset really, to be honest. If we are not taken over i think i’m gonna step away, it’s actually ruining my days and they aren’t brilliant to start with. 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
My father in law has chucked his ST after 45 years. Now that is sad. He’s not even bothered who the manager is because it’s Mike Ashley in charge.
Stuart79(Quote)
Flores Sanchez the latest name to be linked. Anybody else? What about Shrewsbury manager? Surely he would do a job
Stuart79(Quote)
So Rafa told the club in May after their meeting that he wouldn’t be signing a new contract under the terms they offered. The club refused to offer new terms yet still thought he’d sign right up until a week before they made the statement. Is this just incompetence or duplicitous?
Stuart79(Quote)
The track record says incompetence! This summer is doing my head in. Rafa leaving has left us looking like a no deal Brexit. I just can’t see the future at all. Manager? New players? Players gone? It’s all just a grey fog including the takeover stuff.
It’s only a month till the new season kicks off . . .. 🙄
georgio(Quote)
Everton’s owner is wanting to buy Diego Costa because he wants a big statement signing . Is he the exact opposite of our owner?
Stuart79(Quote)
Just prepared to put his money in Stuart. Some owners do that . . .apparently.
georgio(Quote)
Is Rafa getting off easy here? And why do I care since he is gone anyway?
I didn’t believe Luke Edwards when he said that Rafa was going to China for the money but there was some truth in it.
If Rafa knew he was leaving after the May 17th meeting, at best he held out on all NUFC fans. You can’t blame him after having to deal with Ashley for 3 years and certainly the Fatman should have been looking for a successor but nobody is completely innocent here.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, i don’t think he was holding out on us, more that he couldn’t say anything until his contract expired. The early hours of the 1st he made his statement remember.
More to the point, if it’s true he told the club he was off on the 16th of may then why are they so ill prepared with no signings or manager in place. We did however get a breaking story of BZG within 10 days though..
kimtoon(Quote)
Oh and the club could of also told us he wasn’t signing extension for that matter. Truth is it suited them to keep us in the dark as they still seem to be doing.
kimtoon(Quote)
I see Rafas new team got their first win under him .
kimtoon(Quote)
KIMtoon: I am still in the Rafa camp. I think he had us moving in the right direction and had no money for 2 years and it is a miracle we are not the Mackems now.
Fatty needs to do some explaining as to why we are Managerless if he knew from May 16 that Rafa was leaving. I wont hold my breath.
Eric Sykes(Quote)