Newcastle 1-2 Everton: Disappointing defeat as Toffees beat disjointed Toon

We just don’t seem to do productive festive fixtures do we.

After the promising start then needless self-capitulation at Old Trafford it was another disappointing afternoon for Steve Bruce and the lads. Two goals from Calvert-Lewin either side of Schar’s equaliser mean we end 2019 with our first defeat at home since the opening day of the season.

It was interesting that Bruce was heavily criticised for changing the team for Thursday’s trip to Manchester, but pretty much every other Premier League team made changes today, including Everton who made 5 from Carlo Ancelotti’s opening game win against Burnley.

We made 4 changes from Old Trafford, with Shelvey, Hayden, Carroll and Yedlin coming in for the Longstaff brothers, Gayle and Manquillo.

We started like a steam train in the opening few seconds, probing and looking to get on the front foot. Joelinton slipped Almiron in but he lost his footing and meekly poked it wide.

Then after some Everton pressure, we were stung by VAR. We’re in the age of football where you can be offside by an armpit, or in the seventh stage of play, but a player can head the ball off his own shoulder and get a corner without it being checked. What utter nonsense. We still should have defended Calvert-Lewin’s opener much better though.

The atmosphere seriously dropped after the goal, and Everton seemed to stroll around with the ball at will. Then we had the ball in the net, after some wing wizardry from Willems and a great effort from Almiron that crashed back off the post, Carroll put the ball in the net, unfortunately he was well offside. However it seemed to light a fire under the players, and the crowd’s backsides and after a tactical tweak by Bruce that moved Joelinton and Almiron wider, we had a rousing and threatening end to the first half, sadly without finding an equaliser.

Schar eventually did get an equaliser in what was a fairly evenly balanced start to the second half. Carroll’s knock down from Shelvey’s set piece was brilliantly turned in by our strapping Swiss defender but the joy was short lived.

Ancelotti brought on Delph for Moise Kean and it stemmed the tide and allowed the visitors to take back control of the midfield. Then Everton struck.

Carroll was carelessly caught on the ball in the midst of a promising counter attack, Everton broke down the right and Richarlison (after blitzing Lejeune for pace) squared perfectly for the excellent Calvert-Lewin to add his second.

Bruce rolled the dice on 72 mins replacing Joelinton and Lejeune with Atsu and Gayle and changing to 4-4-2 but it did nothing to raise our game. We looked lost and a little disjointed, with Mina’s introduction also limiting Carroll’s effectiveness in the air.

Oher than a push on Carroll from Sidibe – that could easily have brought a penalty – Everton saw the game out comfortably.

The recent good run is over and we have a daunting run of fixtures coming up, at least with a bit of a safety net. Thank god for Almiron’s winner against Palace!

There were positives in spells today, Joelinton in particular looks better in his more natural position and we’ve ironically played worse and won, but Bruce needs to pick his team up for Leicester.

Happy new year to everyone.

(Fancy writing for us? Send any articles/ideas over to us at NUFCblogsubmissions@gmail.com & we’ll get back to you!)

73 thoughts on “Newcastle 1-2 Everton: Disappointing defeat as Toffees beat disjointed Toon

  1. Not sure if Ryder watched the same game as me. As usual his player ratings are a joke. I will be interested to see what Olly’s are. Ryder had Joelinton as a 4. I think the lad is beginning to find his feet out wide. He is never a centre forward and suffered from Bruce and Nickson trying to make him into one when he has just arrived at a new team in a new country.

      (Quote)

  2. I read somewhere that the Joelinton fee might include add ons for goals and possibly getting into the Brazilian National side. That would make sense. It just never seemed right that Ashley would double our transfer record on a relative unknown with very few goals to his name.

      (Quote)

  3. The 2nd goal resulted from our high press which the crowd encouraged but we are not used to doing that. I think that was a mistake. We know the way we play and we are not a high press team. We lost our shape and Everton went up the field and scored.

      (Quote)

  4. Jamie: Ryder gave Joelinton and Shelvey a 4. How can he be Chief Sports Writer when he knows nothing about football?

      (Quote)

  5. Eric
    I think the Joelinton fee would have been the full £40m that we paid for him. If there is a chance there were add ons for goals and getting into the Brazil team then Mike will be looking forward to the £35m refund.

      (Quote)

  6. Eric Sykes:
    Not sure if Ryder watched the same game as me. As usual his player ratings are a joke. I will be interested to see what Olly’s are. Ryder had Joelinton as a 4. I think the lad is beginning to find his feet out wide. He is never a centre forward and suffered from Bruce and Nickson trying to make him into one when he has just arrived at a new team in a new country.

    Linton was ok. He worked hard did little wrong. A 4 is ridiculous but then that’s Ryder. I do think Shelvey is a luxury we cannot afford in our current squad. A complete nonentity in defence – watches attackers run past him.

      (Quote)

  7. I didn’t expect much from the last 2 games – I was annoyed by the stupid mistakes at OT, but thought the performance was better today. I think a draw would have been a fair result, but thems the breaks.

    I agree that Joe don’t little wrong – but neither he or Almiron are enough of a goal threat for us to feel confident of winning games.

    I fear with 25pts in the bag, Ashley will not sanction spends next month – but for us to improve, we need to invest in a goal scorer.

      (Quote)

  8. Sharpy
    We invested £40m on a goal scorer from the German Bundesliga.
    Everton invested £1.5m on a goal scorer from England league one (the third division).
    Maybe we should look down there and sign a cheap kid. He could not do any worse than the forwards we already have.

      (Quote)

  9. sidekick:
    Sharpy
    We invested £40m on a goal scorer from the German Bundesliga.
    Everton invested £1.5m on a goal scorer from England league one (the third division).
    Maybe we should look down there and sign a cheap kid. He could not do any worse than the forwards we already have.

    Sidekick – we didn’t. His scoring record in Germany certainly doesn’t put him in the goalscoring elite.
    His stats and performances in Germany show he’s a creative forward – and he has been for us.

    If you refer to Calvert-Lewin, we had a carbon copy on our books – Ivan Toney. But instead of developing him and giving him a chance – Rafa decided to cut him adrift for around £500k – he’s scoring for fun for P’boro now and probably worth 20 times what we sold him for.

    We should have kept him and played him instead of Joselu last season. We had Sorensen scoring for fun in reserves, and have f@cked his season with bad loan moves.

      (Quote)

  10. So now we have to get something from Leicester. It is not impossible. We were only 1 down when we had a man sent off and that is when it really went south.

    No more high press. We are not good enough to lose our shape and we are not clever enough to do the dirty strategic fouls that Pep’s teams commit. Liverpool are different because their defenders are all lightning quick and can get back and intercept. Gomes beat bloody Jamie Vardy in a footrace the other night.

      (Quote)

  11. There’s just about enough recovery time to play the same team if we want and Dummett and Manquillo might be fit. They didn’t disgrace themselves today and with a bit of luck we could easily have got a point.

    I hope Dummett is fit because Lejeune cannot play 4 games in 10 days or whatever it is.

      (Quote)

  12. Eric – I know it might be seen as negative, but the realist in me sees we probably only need 4/5 more wins to be safe.
    We are very much at a peak in the season right now and the height of our peak may give false hope to some, or have some response as if it’s the end of the world when we trough.

    I remain confident we will secure enough points this season to stay up – this may be a run of games where we don’t do so good. But come the end, I think we will be fine.

      (Quote)

  13. Do West Ham have a plan? Moyes and Hughton? Chris is a nice Guy but he showed his limitations at Brighton. He didn’t really have a plan B when his defensive football wasn’t working. The other mentioned is Howe who was crap and Burnley and you never know what you will get from week to week with Bmouth, although you have to say he has done well to even keep them in the PL.

    I can see their supporters turning on the owners again if they have a few bad results. I think they were glad when Moyes left.

      (Quote)

  14. How many Managers is that sacked now and Bruce is still here?

    Watford x2
    Spurs
    Everton
    West Ham
    Arsenal

    So, 6.

      (Quote)

  15. Luke Edwards now has the scales fall from his eyes about Chancer Stewart Donald. This after Louis Taylor of The Guardian and a few harsh words from The Chronic. Where were their questions when he “bought” the club? They are bringing up points that were obvious from the get go. I could see that he was a conman and I don’t even follow the Mackems that closely. Now they are bringing up the issues that they should have raised 18 months ago. And the Mackems are saying they were duped by a flim-flam artist. It was obvious what he was. How stupid can the fans and these journalists be?

    Looks like Parkinson has 2 games to save his job. But what next if they lose or draw? And there’s no money for transfers. The con artist parses his words very carefully and says there will be incoming players, but there is no money.

    As I have said before, they are Stewart Donald Ducked. They will be owned by the Yanks for a tiny fraction of what they were worth 3 years ago – 10 million. At least the Yanks have money, but they have no plan and no experience.

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/12/28/despairing-fans-campaign-remove-sunderland-owner-result-false/

      (Quote)

  16. And even if we lose to Leicester I will try not to turn on Bruce. he didn’t make those mistakes against Man U and our luck was always going to run out at some point and that happened to be today. You might think I am mad but I think we have a shot at getting something from the Leicester game.

      (Quote)

  17. We have Everton again on the 21st Jan, seems very close together them games.

    So that’s Leicester, (Rochdale in the cup), Wolves, Chelsea, Everton then . Cup aside I don’t see much from that 4, maybe a point from Everton possibly .

      (Quote)

  18. Kimtoon: I think we will pick up a few unexpected points. I say unexpected because I think we will be underdogs in all of those games, especially with the bookies. if your prediction of 1 point from 6 games comes true the knives will be out for Brucie, especially on Twitter and certain bogs – Eds and The Mag.

    I don’t expect any permanent signings in January but a couple of loans would be good. Man City and Liverpool have loads of academy players who might help. I know a lot of people do not like to give games to other teams’ youngsters but we need another forward and Ashley will not go into debt to get one. We will have money in the summer if we stay up, which I think we will.

      (Quote)

  19. Can anybody believe that Pulis is being mentioned in some quarters as a West Ham Manager. He is the anti so-called “West Ham way”. So is Moyes to an extent.

    They have been thinking about sacking Pelligrini for months and these 2 and Hughton are the best they can come up with?

    Maybe just internet speculation. They must have somebody else lined up?

      (Quote)

  20. West Ham is a very good job when you look at it. They have some good players. 60k fans every week. Owners willing to spend money. London location to attract players. A transfer war chest if they sell Declan Rice to some sucker for 80 million (Man U).

      (Quote)

  21. It is almost like us. Ashley and Charnley knew for months that Rafa was leaving and the best they could come up with was Bruce, recently sacked by Villa and Managing a mid-table Championship team. He has done a good job (SO FAR) but we had time to recruit someone with more ambition and blew it. I am still behind Bruce because he is not and idiot like Ugly John or up his own arse hole like Pards. But unless we get him a goalscorer, one of the Longstaffs develops and St Max stays fit he will get us relegated eventually.

    Bruce needs excellent players to even be mid-table.

      (Quote)

  22. Agreed, Eric, with a goalscorer and a couple of decent additions we have a decent team imo but as you say Steve needs good players to achieve continuing PL status .

      (Quote)

  23. 25 points is massively flattering for us. If we were 3rd bottom with 18 points we couldn’t complain. We’re still in a relegation battle because we haven’t played well once this season and have a strike force that’s scored 3 goals all season. We still have no plan, no particular pattern of play and look really, really average at best. No wonder we have to give tickets away – it’s turgid.

      (Quote)

  24. Stu and Kim, if and its a big if, we achieve mid-table this year the Fatman better not give Bruce and Nickson 8 year bloody contracts. That’s what made Pardew unsackable because Ashley didn’t want to pay the comp no matter how bad the football got and how desperate our league position got. The Boycotters should remember those days. Ashley wouldn’t budge even with a massive PardewOut campaign so he sure as hell wont budge now, even with the empty seats. Matchday revenue from 10,000 stayaways is almost meaningless in the financial scheme of things now.

    If we stay up I believe Fatty will give Bruce and Nickson the extra money generated which after few contracts are sorted will be about 50 million. That gets us Willems and 40 million left over for a striker. Hopefully, not another Joelinton who is the square peg they are trying to jam into a round hole but who I don’t think is as bad as he has played so far. There are signs there.

      (Quote)

  25. And we will sell a few. There is no way Gayle will be here beyond the summer. Does Darlow really want to be the next Steve Harper? Maybe we will try to get our money back on Krafth, like we did with Mat Sels? But I am getting ahead of myself. We have to get something from Leicester and stay up first.

    If we stay up in 15 or 16th I would sack Bruce. We will go nowhere with him in charge even though he has done OK so far. I would be making plans now and not tell him. We cannot end up like West Ham who look like they are going to re-appoint Moyes.

    I know the Fatman will not sack Bruce if we stay up. But I can dream.

      (Quote)

  26. It is not contradictory to say I don’t mind Bruce, that he has done a decent job but that I would want him sacked at the end of the season. I want better than him. I would thank him for a job well done and move on. We could also give a new Manager a full preseason and some say in recruitment.

    But we’re talking NUFC so I know it wont happen.

      (Quote)

  27. It is almost New Year so I am thinking about the future.

    I don’t really have many vices. I drink a bit too much but I am not worried about that, I would go stir crazy in a Chicago winter if I didn’t. I exercise, am not overweight, eat really healthily, have no health issues and don’t smoke so I don’t have any of the usual resolutions to make. So I am concentrating on fixing NUFC 🙂

      (Quote)

  28. PremAndUp:
    What is needed is a RW and an understudy for Andy.There’s a young’un at Celtic

    Prem – I’d go get Jarod Bowen from Hull for RW and I’d bring back Mitrovic.

    Get rid of Gayle and Muto.

      (Quote)

  29. Stuart79:
    25 points is massively flattering for us. If we were 3rd bottom with 18 points we couldn’t complain. We’re still in a relegation battle because we haven’t played well once this season and have a strike force that’s scored 3 goals all season. We still have no plan, no particular pattern of play and look really, really average at best. No wonder we have to give tickets away – it’s turgid.

    Stu – of course people would complain, we’d be in the bottom 3.
    But I disagree that we have played as poorly as you suggest. Our biggest problem isn’t poor play, it’s poor finishing. I’d even argue that with better finishing it could be even better than 25pts!!.

    But Bruce himself has said that he wants to change things but has had to go back to what the players are used to this season because he’s missing one or two players and had little time to work on new things in the summer.

      (Quote)

  30. Referees have a difficult job especially as the game is so fast. They are human and like the rest of us make occasional mistakes. But yesterday’s refereeing was some of the worst I’ve seen. The errors made were glaring and I think Mason should be demoted. As for VAR it shouldn’t be used to just back up the ref’s decision it should pick up things he/ she misses or gets wrong. Otherwise what is the point of VAR? The VAR decision for Norwich’s second goal which was disallowed was shocking. Or was it because it favoured Spurs? Big team bias.

      (Quote)

  31. Sharpy – When have we played well? We’ve had more possession once and that was against Burnley! We average about 30% possession and revert almost instantly to long balls. It’s really poor to watch and could have lost the games we won. Southampton, Bournemouth, Spurs, Sheff Utd and Palace all had better of the game and the chances when we managed to win.

    Surely you don’t think our style of play and performances have been good?

      (Quote)

  32. Stuart79:
    Sharpy – When have we played well? We’ve had more possession once and that was against Burnley! We average about 30% possession and revert almost instantly to long balls. It’s really poor to watch and could have lost the games we won. Southampton, Bournemouth, Spurs, Sheff Utd and Palace all had better of the game and the chances when we managed to win.

    Surely you don’t think our style of play and performances have been good?

    Stuart I agree totally. Funnily enough yesterday we played better, but not outstanding, and lost. I think the falling attendances before the give away tickets, were largely due to the dreadful football being served up and not the boycott. Having said that, it was just as bad under Benitez and he did have some better players though not nearly enough.

      (Quote)

  33. Groucho: I agree Mason should be demoted but he is not the only one. Jon Moss is 2 stone over weight and always about 10 yards more behind the play than any other Ref in the PL. How can you expect to make correct decisions if the play is 25-30 yards away from you a lot of the time. He needs to retire. Not even fit to Ref Sunderland in League 1.

      (Quote)

  34. Having your attacking players scoring only 3 goals between them after 20 games isn’t sustainable. If that’s repeated in the next 18 games there’s a real chance we won’t get to 37 points.

    And having our manager show us that the players we have aren’t capable of playing a passing, attacking game is embarrassing. How are the players we have only capable of playing 80’s style long ball?

      (Quote)

  35. Stuart: it is much more likely that we will get about a point per game from now on and be safe fairly easily. We might go on a January slump but I think we will be safe. Bruce is OK and I don’t think he is as bad as some people think. He has kept teams up and had teams relegated but he has Managed mainly crap teams.

    As I said earlier though, I think he will take us down in the long run if we keep him and we should say thanks for the job you did Steve, now we are moving in a different direction. Fatty did it with Allardyce and Hughton.

    A full pre-season with a more progressive Manager is what we need. Depending on what happens in the next 5 months I would also reassess Nickson as I don’t know what he has ever done to be the one making decisions on who we spend 40 million on.

    That said, I am OK with the job Bruce has done:

    B for results given he had to integrate so many new players and didn’t have the pre-season.

    C minus for style of play simply because he had to integrate the new players and didn’t have a pre-season. He has done it on the fly under very difficult circumstances with the boycotters and the c@nts on twitter and some blogs.

      (Quote)

  36. Stuart79:
    Not sure about that, Groucho. He certainly didn’t have the luxury of spunking £70m on attackers!

    Wasn’t looking at in terms of money available more that he had rondon and Perez. I might add I never want to see Atsu anymore. One of the under 23s might do just as well if not better. It would be difficult to do worse after yesterday’s performance.

      (Quote)

  37. Groucho: Wasn’t looking at in terms of money available more that he had rondon and Perez.I might add I never want to see Atsu anymore.One of the under 23s might do just as well if not better.It would be difficult to do worse after yesterday’s performance.

    There was talk about Almiron, Rondon and Perez being the best three out of the top 6 after January. We certainly had some speed, threat and attacking ambition With them three.

      (Quote)

  38. The game is ****ed! How on Earth Wolves can have a goal disallowed for being offside by the thickness of a hair is outrageous. Same for Norwich yesterday. They need to do something with this VAR or the game will be about as popular as grown green bowling

      (Quote)

  39. Stuart79:
    Sharpy – When have we played well? We’ve had more possession once and that was against Burnley! We average about 30% possession and revert almost instantly to long balls. It’s really poor to watch and could have lost the games we won. Southampton, Bournemouth, Spurs, Sheff Utd and Palace all had better of the game and the chances when we managed to win.

    Surely you don’t think our style of play and performances have been good?

    Stu – having the majority of possession doesn’t mean you’re playing well.
    We play defensively well and offensively – all bar the finishing, yeah I think there’s been times we’ve looked really decent. Of course there have also been times that we haven’t too, but overall I think we have been defensively as good as we were under Rafa and offensively better with chances we’ve created – the finishing has let us down massively.

    The points we have on the board also indicate it’s been far more effective.

    Am I blown away or thrilled watching us – no, we could be better – even if our forwards had converted half the chances they’ve had, it could still be better.
    But am I satisfied, all things considered – yeah.

      (Quote)

  40. Stuart79:
    The game is ****ed! How on Earth Wolves can have a goal disallowed for being offside by the thickness of a hair is outrageous. Same for Norwich yesterday. They need to do something with this VAR or the game will be about as popular as grown green bowling

    Stu – it’s outrageous isn’t it. There was one in the Brighton game too.

    I was in favour of VAR being a big rugby fan and think there have it right, but it’s destroying football this season.

      (Quote)

  41. Sharpy17: Stu – having the majority of possession doesn’t mean you’re playing well.
    We play defensively well and offensively – all bar the finishing, yeah I think there’s been times we’ve looked really decent.Of course there have also been times that we haven’t too, but overall I think we have been defensively as good as we were under Rafa and offensively better with chances we’ve created – the finishing has let us down massively.

    The points we have on the board also indicate it’s been far more effective.

    Am I blown away or thrilled watching us – no, we could be better – even if our forwards had converted half the chances they’ve had, it could still be better.
    But am I satisfied, all things considered – yeah.

    When have we played decent, Sharpy? West Ham for 45 mins. Every other game we have been totally outplayed – home and away.

    Also it really isn’t any better than under Rafa. It really is just as poor. Possession stats against the top teams are the same but possession stats against the teams around us are completely different. We had 27% possession at home to Brighton ffs! That’s also been the story of the season regardless of who we’ve played. It’s pathetic. No wonder we need to give 10,000 free tickets away.

      (Quote)

  42. Stuart79: When have we played decent, Sharpy? West Ham for 45 mins. Every other game we have been totally outplayed – home and away.

    Also it really isn’t any better than under Rafa. It really is just as poor. Possession stats against the top teams are the same but possession stats against the teams around us are completely different. We had 27% possession at home to Brighton ffs! That’s also been the story of the season regardless of who we’ve played. It’s pathetic. No wonder we need to give 10,000 free tickets away.

    Stu – I think over 90 mins, Man Utd at SJP we played really well. Yes they had the 2/3rds the possession, but they did little with it – they didn’t really trouble us at all. Defensively we were solid and it was a deserved win.

    I think Norwich, Leicester and Man Utd away we’re mostly horror shows. But in most other games there have been spells throughout the games where we have been on top.

    Defensively, all of our CBs have been excellent under Bruce.

    Full backs wise – Williems has been excellent. Yedlin much the same as always. But Manquillo certainly looks better under Bruce.

    Midfield – Hayden has remained consistent. Sean has struggled with injuries, but Shelvey looks better and bringing Matty in has been a great decision.

    ASM has looked exciting and dangerous, as has Almiron – but both are clearly struggling with finishing.

    Joelinton is not a target man type CF and so has looked poor. I think the games he’s played more down the left he’s looked better – but it’s clear that we have a massive imbalance up front.
    Carroll works hard and plays with his heart on his sleeve – but he’s not our goal machine.

    I think Bruce has found it very difficult to get things going up front with Gayle and Muto not part of his plans at all it seems.

    I think it’s only fair to keep in mind that Bruce hasn’t had a full pre season or transfer window.

      (Quote)

  43. Some years ago it was suggested that the linesman should only call offside if there was daylight between the attacker and defender. Not sure about raising that idea again.
    Today , Souness suggested if part of the body of the attacker was onside any resultant goal should stand. I think that is a good idea.

      (Quote)

  44. sidekick:
    Some years ago it was suggested that the linesman should only call offside if there was daylight between the attacker and defender. Not sure about raising that idea again.
    Today , Souness suggested if part of the body of the attacker was onside any resultant goal should stand. I think that is a good idea.

    I would agree with this too… these hairs breadth offside decisions are soul destroying and take away enjoyment of both fans and players. Some really good goals have been struck off which can destroy confidence in young players too. We need to use VAR as intended by asking ref to look at the monitor and stop these stupid decisions. ??

      (Quote)

  45. What VAR also does is spoil the enjoyment of the armchair fan. I am watching a rerun of Man City/Sheff Utd. The discussion of the game, telling you which player has the ball and describing the action/tactics has taken a backseat to a tedious VAR discussion for most of the game. Discussing various VAR incidents, but also rules of the game and what VAR does and does not bring. This is partly because of ALL commentary being taken over by Anoraks, including the ex-players who seem also to want to get into the stat attack act.

    But adding the VAR crap to the Anorak stat attack makes me just want to turn the fcking sound down. The problem is, then you lose the noise and atmosphere of the crowd.

    At least in the pub you can’t really hear what the commentators are saying and the atmosphere from the crowd on TV is still there along with the punters in the pub. But I only watch NUFC in the pub so it doesn’t help for this game or Liverpool for example, who I also like to watch.

      (Quote)

  46. DT: I would agree that the Ref should look at it. Just because we have the technology doesn’t mean we have to use it. The stupid red and blue lines to decide on a marginal offside should not even be used. Let the Ref view a replay and use their human judgement to say if it was level or not. Also let them know that the attacker should get the benefit of any doubt. Then all of these “goals” that are chalked off for a centimeter would be given.

    I don’t care if they were technically offside by a millimeter. It would help the flow of the game. Keep the goaline technology and VAR for diving.

    And get rid of that stupid rule that says if it strikes a defenders hand ACCIDENTALLY it is still a penalty. That is the most ridiculous change they have made in my 50 years of watching football.

      (Quote)

  47. Commentary has changed in the last 10 or 15 years and VAR is making it even worse, It has become incredibly tedious with every useless stat being rolled out during every game. The commentators do a good job of identifying which player has the ball but are intent on letting us all know his Grandmother’s maiden name. I think the anoraks and trainspotters have gravitated to football commentary including that type who are also ex-players. The internet has made it even worse because there is almost limitless information and stats they have access to. And they seem to have a NEED to tell us. And then you have Opta and stuff like xG. It is like you are in a bloody maths class.

      (Quote)

  48. These armpit offsides are ridiculous. They measure the line between attacker and defenders so accurately – put how can they be so absolutely certain that the ball has fully left the passers foot???.

    It’s utterly stupid at the moment and the referees don’t even like it!!!.

    There should be a set distance for offside – say a foot (measurement not body part. Anything less than that can’t be conclusively ruled.

    The ref should ask for VAR reviews – not be given them regardless, and there should be a 20 sec time limit. If they can say for certain within 20 sec then the goal or decision of the ref stands.

      (Quote)

  49. Apart from the fact that it is too clinical, my main objection to VAR is that it takes over the whole narrative of a game and makes it about VAR and not the game. And it allows the anoraks and trainspotters to dominate the discussion even more than if they were just doing their stat attacks.

    I know I am repeating myself a bit, but the whole fcking weekend has been about VAR.

      (Quote)

  50. I actually did see a decent suggestion for how VAR COULD work for offside. Widen the virtual red and blue lines to the same width as the white pitch lines. If there is no gap between them on the monitor then the player is ONSIDE. You would have one virtual coloured line on top of the other and the player would be onside even if their armpit was a fraction ahead of a defender. It would stop this farce of players being offside by a centimeter.

      (Quote)

  51. Eric – it’s as much the rules that are the problem – not VAR.
    It doesn’t help that you have a team of people operating VAR from miles away like, but they are just applying some very flawed rules.

      (Quote)

  52. Sharpy mate. I agree and it is epitomized by the wrongheaded rule that you can get an penalty for an accidental hand ball.

      (Quote)

  53. None of it really makes any sense. Carroll was pulled down and it wasn’t a penalty? But that happens in every game and sometimes is given and sometimes isn’t. Even after a VAR check where it is clear and obvious.

    Gorginho pulls a player back against Arsenal and is given a yellow. Thems the rules. A few minutes later he does the same thing and doesn’t get a second yellow. Then he goes on to score.

      (Quote)

  54. I usually don’t get into VAR discussions because it gets on my t!ts. But with so many games and SO MUCH VAR controversy and tedious discussion, you sort of cant help it. New Years Day VAR controversy still to come 🙂

      (Quote)

  55. I like Souness’ idea that just as long as some part of your body is on side then the goal should be given. The problem is it will take FIFA about ten years to change the offside law.

      (Quote)

  56. I’ve just watched the Souness idea on YouTube – I think it’s a really good idea. It would be far easier to measure and would take a lot less time to review – and would favour offensive play, so more goals hopefully.

    The biggest problem is that it makes absolute sense – so it will never happen

      (Quote)

  57. It is sort of madness that it is all about VAR. Liverpool have dropped 2 points in 19 games. 50 games unbeaten. That is a miracle. Man City won the league with almost 100 points twice. It used to take 85. That is a miracle.

    And all they talk about is VAR.

    It is almost as stupid as the all Pogba all the time stuff!!!! What has he done to warrant so much attention?

      (Quote)

  58. I am going to restate my opinion on Bruce.

    I think he will keep us up but he is still not good enough.

    I would kiss him goodbye at the end of the season and get someone better because Bruce will eventually take us down.

      (Quote)

  59. There just needs to be common sense where VAR is concerned, as has been said already there should be a set time on decisions. Lets face it if you need more than 20 seconds with all the technology at hand to make an off side goal decision then something is wrong.
    All this offside by an armpit hair crap is ridiculous , i too like Souness idea but you know it won’t happen.

      (Quote)

  60. Souness idea is the best option I’ve heard and I think that would work… there was even a discussion on bbc news this morning about VAR and how it’s ruining the game. I think I’ll be dead before they change anything though… (touches wood) ?.

    I think we will get beat tomorrow, Leicester are doing really well this year. Hope I’m wrong.

    I’ll take this opportunity to wish everyone a happy New Year and May 2020 bring you and your loved ones health, luck, happiness and togetherness…

      (Quote)

  61. When I was a kid, I couldn’t even imagine 2020… it was the stuff of science fiction. Living on mars, teleportation, Star Trek, And aliens… and here we are about to step into 2020, … war, discord, protests, oppression, super sensitivity, anxiety, prejudice and racism, and tragedies almost every day… it what I imagined as a kid 50 years ago… let’s hope that the 10 years are better than the last 10… ?

      (Quote)

  62. Dubai Toon:
    When I was a kid, I couldn’t even imagine 2020… it was the stuff of science fiction. Living on mars, teleportation, Star Trek, And aliens… and here we are about to step into 2020, … war, discord, protests, oppression, super sensitivity, anxiety, prejudice and racism, and tragedies almost every day…it what I imagined as a kid 50 years ago… let’s hope that the 10 years are better than the last 10…

    With you on all that mate, it’s nothing like what i expected 2020 would be. In many respects we have gone backwards.
    Anyway, hope you and all who post and their families a very happy and healthy new year .

      (Quote)

Leave a Reply

Your email address will not be published. Required fields are marked *

Question   Razz  Sad   Evil  Exclaim  Smile  Redface  Biggrin  Surprised  Eek   Confused   Cool  LOL   Mad   Twisted  Rolleyes   Wink  Idea  Arrow  Neutral  Cry   Mr. Green