Is Alan Pardew in an untenable position?

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Pardew isn't the bad lad!
I’ve read a lot of comments over the last few weeks about our manager Alan Pardew. Yes, that’s right. Like it or not Alan Pardew IS our manager.

Personally I feel that a lot of the criticism he has been on the end of has been harsh and has had nothing to do with his actual job – managing the team.

I mean results wise we could have probably been better off, and we would have been but for a flukey deflection at the Stadium of Light, a lapse in concentration at the death against Tottenham and a complete collapse and surrender of a three goal lead against West Brom on the final day of last season. In fact it would have been enough to grab 8th place had we held on to even two of those leads.

I mean can a manager really do much when his players on the pitch switch off or get caught out? Shouldn’t that have been the job of Captain Tugboat (Kevin Nolan for those who don’t know) as our leader on the pitch to keep his troops focussed? Just a thought…

Despite the fact we ended up slightly lower than we were when Pardew took over from Chris Hughton I still feel that we played better football under him and, for some unknown reason, just felt that little bit more professional. It was like we actually had a manager and not a coach pretending to be a manager, which actually sounds harsh but I don’t mean it that way.

The facts and stats can be bent in many different directions and whilst people will point out that Chris Hughton’s winning percentage was better that Pardew’s it would be unbalanced to not mention the fact that Pardew actually picked up more points per game, and that was without the likes of Andy Carroll plus having to deal with Cheik Tiote being suspended for quite some time amongst other things.

The football, I believe, is better, but despite that, and perhaps rather amazingly, it’s not the actual football that many people have a problem with. They recognise that Pardew done well to keep things together in the second half of last season and that he had a weaker squad with which to deal with things, but it isn’t that which irks them.

To them it’s the lies, or misinformation or whatever you want to call it. To some it’s unbearable yet they keep on listening to it like a clapping seal waiting for a fish so they can just rip it apart. The “best fans in the land” are really showing just how “great” they are at “supporting”, or at least a section of them are anyway…

However there is a problem with that. A couple of problems in fact. At the end of the day why do people choose to continuously listen to someone they say lies all the time? Why not just ignore it? We all know someone who bullshits quite a lot. We all have that one person at work who has done everything you have ever done, bigger, better, quicker. What do you do to them? Well to be honest I just tend to ignore them…

Then there is the question of whether Alan Pardew is actually lying at all? I mean the evidence to back up the case that he actually not lying is pretty substantial – remember it was proven in a court that Mike Ashley and Co lied to the fans and to Kevin Keegan so why would they suddenly change?

Perhaps Pardew is just going off what he has been told? It’s probably the wrong call give the previous form of his employers but at the end of the day we do tend to listen to what a new employer says (I was promised x amount of perks at my last job which never materialised, for example) and I think his eagerness to impress us has lead to him replicating the false promises that he has been told. I also note that he is learning not to promise on things that he can’t actually deliver.

People will still not be convinced after all that though, so I’d like to ask who they would like as a manager? Perhaps a better way of putting it would be who they think would come to Newcastle and work under the restrictions that the board are placing on their managers?

At the end of the day the draw of Newcastle United manager is not what it used to be. Whether that be as a result of Freddie Shepherd’s managerial roundabout or Mike Ashley’s iron fist approach or a mix of the two is up for debate, but the job of gaffer at NUFC has turned into a poisoned chalice.

Big name managers have tried and failed to do anything at Newcastle. Ruud Gullit, Kenny Dalglish, Sam Allardyce (big in his own world) and Graeme Souness have all tried and failed at the club with the only big name success being Sir Bobby (Legend) Robson. Ironically it’s the inexperienced and lesser known guys who have done better with us. Keegan was nobody in managerial terms when he took over first time round, even Glenn Roeder did well for a time, and then we had Chris Hughton who did remarkably well. I’d put Pardew in the latter bracket in terms of his stature.

I just don’t know what people want, but I do know that I actually quite like Alan Pardew and, like it or not, he is here so will get my backing 100% until his results start to erode that. People need to separate what Alan Pardew says off the pitch and what he can produce on the pitch. Ultimately it’s the latter that will determine his future.

So position untenable? In the eyes of some it is, but for those who play that card I’d like them to have a look at the the questions posed and ask whether or not he is really that bad? Yes he talks too much and sometimes it’s on aspects that he has no influence over, but I’d be willing to bet he is just being a bit naive rather than trying to intentionally deceive.

I say give him a chance. Why not? Who else is going to give it a go?

Incidentally I’ve just had a bit of family crisis meaning that I won’t be around much today, but I will try and get another couple of articles out at some point today. Apologies in advance. Toonsy.

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198 thoughts on “Is Alan Pardew in an untenable position?

  1. Thought he handled the press and situation well yesterday. Don’t think many will trust him if we don’t sign a few more players – I think he knows that too.

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  2. he’ll be peddled before crimbo & alan brazil will be given a 5 1/2 year contract as our new manager.

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  3. pardew I’m making it very, very clear to Derek and Mike that we need one or two boys in this door, now. I mean now

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  4. Good post Toonsy. I agree with your comments 100%. Unless he has the skin of a rhino I’m sure he’s not too happy at being shafted by Dumb and Dumber then being thrown into the lions den to face the fans and put on a brave face.
    Was completely underwhelmed by his appointment, but he is the manager and he’s having to manage with the hand he’s been dealt like we are. We should back him and the team 100% and put all the other **** to oneside as we have no control over it and all this rubbish about protests, sheesh, what exactly would that achieve except for making us an even bigger laughing stock than we already are.
    The manager’s job is a posioned chalice at Newcastle, good luck to him and let’s just get behind him and the lads for the season ahead

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  5. Its results that will make his position tenable or untenable, not whether he is spinning yarns worthy of a fisherman. Its not the fan’s decision either, even if we don’t sign anyone but he manages to keep us mid-table or higher then Ashley will be happy.

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  6. Another good one Toonsy.Pardew can only work with what he is given and unfotunately up to now thats not very much.Given those limitations I think he has done very well.My big downer is I think this window will go the way of all the rest.Can not see any money being spent and thats down to Mr Toad and Mr Weasel

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  7. Don’t think anyone really knows to be honest.

    If Pardew has made all the decision regarding Barton then he’s obviously in a good position within the club. Do I believe he’s made the decisions? No of course not and I think that undermines his position within the dressing room. Look what happened to Chelsea after Carlos had his position undermined by Roman.

    Ashley has created this environment and he must take the blame if as I assume he is pulling the strings.

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  8. Pardew handled the press conference yesterday very well. He is in an untenable position as I have stated previously because he is not backed by Ashley and Lambias. Any manager who cannot make decisions whether it be about transfers or contracts is on a loser. Nothing has changed since KK was manager only KK would`nt put up with it. I think because of our current situation players must have a lack of respect for him and Barton showed that with his antics at Leeds. Without commanding the players respect I think Pardue is on a loser.
    I think it`s a good question who could come in and replace him. Under the current circumstances and current owner nobody will be successful. However, I would like to see Lee Clark come in as manager in the future under a regime which would allow him to manage.

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  9. Hitman – I agree – but many see him as complicit in the scheme of things. I don’t – I just think he does what he is meant to do – manage through situations (KK Take note!)

    Deb (How you doing!) I was underwhelmed too – hope he gets us playing entertaining footy with a lot of pace – seems like that’s how he is trying to shape the team. If he does that I will be happy.

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  10. It does not matter that Ashley has sorted out the financial mess. The catalogue of PR blunders is a long list. Top players are now being sold. It does not take a genius to know that the manager will pay the price if the squad has inadequate quantity and quality of players.
    Pardew speaks to us. The fact that Llambias and Ashley contemptuously fail to communicate is what winds up so many of us. It seems they don’t care and if that is not so our misjudgment is because of their attitude.
    The club have sold £52m of players and outgoing players were being paid around £250,000 to £300,000 per week. All the fans want is to be entertained by a good team. Inactivity and non existent communication is creating a tension that has got through to our players. Pardew has a battle on his hands.

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  11. With 3 wins in his last 18 competitive games starting at Stevenage, the sonner he goes the better.

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  12. I kind of feel sorry for pardew, Chris should and would never have been sacked by any other club (possibly blackburn) Nor would pardew ever been considered but he did ok last season and the problem isnt him im sure he would love to bring in the 4-5 players we need but his hands are tied. Hopefully bartons situation will be sorted out as is starting to look likely and the club stop acting like twats and let the guy at least bring in the striker and left back.

    If his position is really untenable and he fecks off then its gonna get worse before it gets better, Possibly a JFK, Mick harford and Gerry Francis management team… 🙄 😆

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  13. I’ve thought this for a while, that his position is untenable, but like you say, who else would possibly take the job on. I think Pardews biggest fault is that he smacks of desperation and I think Ashley smelt it when he offered him the job.

    I don’t believe for one minute that Pardew deliberately lies to us and that he naively regurgitates the **** that is fed to him. But if he had even an ounce of self respect he should man up and confront the board about the messes they keep leaving for him to clear up. Let’s face it, he can’t be short of a bob or two, so losing his job is not going to hit him as hard as it would the vast majority of us. Unfortunately for him I think he’s trying to appease everyone at the same time and, ultimately, accomplished nowt of the sort. How can you respect a man that clearly doesn’t respect himself. I pity him, wish him well as far as the team is concerned, but could never back him. Is he the right man for the job?? Sadly, he’s the right man for THIS job.

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  14. Blaydonson -” It does not matter that Ashley has sorted out the financial mess. ”

    Eh? You’ve got to be a WUM or you aint the brightest!

    You can’t build a house on foundations of quicksand.

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  15. I’d just like to add – Does anybody else think that if we did get behind Pardew, give him our full support and sing his name from the rafters, that Ashley would get the hump and sack him?

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  16. I have to agree. Pardew is not the problem here and I for one could not work in the environment he is in. For me the biggest problem is Llambias. This man complains about the supporters, the actions of the players (although to my knowledge none of them have ran naked across SJP pitch)and every time he opens his smarmy mouth you know that nothing but lies and garbage are going to spew out. If Ashley could see sense he would get rid of this septic stump and replace him with someone who understands how a football club should run.

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  17. AP is in the same position all managers find themselves in under MA. One which they can do very little about. Either they are yes men who dont last any longer or speak up and dont last.

    AP will have to be careful as I am sure that MA will be able to sack him cheaply if he deems it so. I feel sorry for AP as if we had a less obnoxious owner he could be a happy and positive guy when discussing newcastle issues. Its go to be hard to be cheerful when you have to deal with such issues as a meglomanic owner and players who feel hard done by and who only want to stay at the club but they feel unappreciated or not of value.

    I dunno, but its alwyas the same at NUFC an unnecessary drama always unfolds. This year its come early even before we have kicked a ball. IS there no respite from this soap opera!!??

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  18. MR T – maybe you’re right – The only reason I could see for sacking Chris was that he was becoming too powerful – if he had stayed up comfortably after all that had happened before – Ashley would know if he sacked him he could have had a Keeganesque situation on his hands

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  19. This article sums up my feeling on it very well: http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/9179367.SCOTT_WILSON_COLUMN___Why_Pardew_s_words_are_all_we_have_to_go_on/

    It’s daft to suggest AP has to go; he’s only just started bringing about the changes he was hired for. I think he’s learning slowly that, unlike in previous jobs, he can’t make a promise in a press conference based on the assumption that his bosses won’t stick their pudgy, ignorant fingers in and do something utterly stupid soon after. Like selling Carroll.

    I want AP here and I want him to keep doing what he’s been doing… albeit with more caveats on what he says in press conferences!

    I don’t like his win rate, but he accumulates points well enough and seems to be sticking to a clear vision for the team and how it plays. If he succeeds, we’ll have good footie to watch and an end to the ridiculous instability we’ve seen for the past 10 years.

    If he doesn’t, he doesn’t. But why the hell would you replace him before he’s had any chance at all to try? All the evidence suggests he’s pretty much on track so far.

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  20. I would also like to point out one more thing that had been on my mind for a while. Does anybody else think that Lamearse bears more than a passing resemblance to that other figure of utter revulsion, Jonathan King? I wonder if he nonces bairns as well?!

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  21. The single worst thing that could happen to NUFC right now would be to lose Pardew.

    The small-mindedness of some of the people on here who claim to love the club really does astound me at times.

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  22. CC – they should go after Sky as well.

    Surely they must have to do some sort of due diligence on their sources before breaking a “story”?

    Looks to me like some dirty Mackem WUM just rang them up for a laugh to try and get a bite out of the bedsheet brigade.

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  23. MrT76 @ 21 – You really expect anyone to man up and confront the board? Only one winner in that one and I reckon we’d be seeing JFK back here sooner rather than later….

    LikeWhumpie says, this is his first real chance to change things. Anyone who thinks he could have started I January need to look at things objectively and ask whether it would gave done more harm than good. I think people deep down know tge answer to that…

    Was he my first choice? Nope. Nowhere near in fact, but are we really going to do better with fatman and throbbin in charge?

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  24. Stardust-I am sorry you were unable to read beyond the first line.
    Let’s sell Tiote, Taylor. In fact let us sell the lot and be cash rich and in the Championship. Hughton and the players being sold got us out of there after all the clangers that put us there.
    A bit of joined up thinking and communication is wanted. It does not matter that they are sorting out the club’s finances when what it means is we are heavily in debt to Ashley himself and top players want away.
    We have to be prepared to be patient that the squad is strengthened before the window shuts. The moans on here will be nothing as compared with the reaction if there is no activity.
    We are the third best supported club in the land (even when in the Championship). There really should be no question of our ability to retain our best players. Is Pardew’s job untenable? As ever it depends on results and that depends on who he can put on the pitch.

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  25. Muck Fe!!

    Someone please tell me that Joseph “The Philosopher” Barton is NOT now comparing himself to the Che Guevara!!?? 🙄

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  26. I think Pardew was aware that his role was as a coach rather than as a manager who bought and sold players. Having said that, I don’t think he could have realised that Ashley’s priority was to make money on transfer dealings rather than to create a decent football team. If results do start going badly will Pardew try and talk his way out of it as usual or will he actually blame Ashley’s transter policy?

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  27. It’s the club and Ashley doing Pardew a favour, he’s indebted to them in more ways than one, didn’t have a job, no real credibility other than beating Arsenal once with Reading then acting like a four year old at the final whistle. His position is whatever Ashley and Llambiarse tell him it is.and he’s happy to play along…he has no choice.

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  28. Pardew is most definitely part of the problem. He is the manager of the football team. It is his job to manage it. It’s not his job to just get a track suit on and say what he is told to say in press conferences regardless.

    Management of a team not only involves the playing and coaching side, but also man management and situation management. Do you think he has shown any management of recent situations? Do you think he has managed the transfer budget properly? Do you think he has any inout or influence into player transfers in OR out?

    Telling the fans he’s well known for being successful at knocking on the chairman’s door to get what he wants isn’t really washing is it. Did he manage the situation well when he said we are getting all of the £35million to spend, then week by week came out with embarrassing attempts to spin the actual u-turn by stating garbage such as “Free transfers are expensive”

    At what point do we look at him and say, you’re paid to manage this situation? That is your job. It seems he’s basically allowed to be teflon shoulders and say whatever he is told to, no matter how ridiculous or untruthful, and can do so with peoples blessing on here because they told him to??

    At what point does he start taking ownership of the job he’s paid to do, or is it ok for him to represent the club in the media by saying anything and everything he is told to? What level of comments/contradictions and lies do we need to sink to before we collectively start to question whether this is acceptable or appropriate?

    And at what point do WE start making him accountable for the role he is paid to perform? Can you imagine Ferguson or Wenger sitting at press conference after press conference saying that they have all this money to spend, then week by week changing the story to the point where it becomes obvious they are just a bystander, and have no say whatsoever in player movements out or selection of players coming in (as if!).

    The management of this squad is a joke. He has no idea who will be leavingand when or if anybody is coming in and when. How can ANY football manager operate under those circumstances and why on earth is it ok to dismiss his extreme compliance with this situation?

    He’s managerially impotent, which means he can’t do the job. It’s down to him to realise this and do somethnig about it, rather than us to give him the excuse that’s ok. It’s most certainly not ok.

    I find it laughable that people actually think we have become a better team under Pardew than under Hughton. Take the Liverpool result away from both of them, as there’s no valid reason for giving it Pardew. He wasn’t even involved in the team selection and the post match interviews made it clear who the players were playing for. Take that result out and we haven’t beaten a team who weren’t in the bottom three… including the mighty Stevenage.

    The draws that we did manage to scrape together were often the result of the team spirit that Hughton had created, rather than some free flowing football instilled by Pardew. Those characters are pretty much gone, and I expect us to be a far more brittle side, as Pardew’s renowned lack of man management skills shine through.

    I do admire the blind loyalty towards him, as I see no reason for it, other than blind loyalty. His managerial CV stinks the place out, and there’s nothing whatsoever to suggest anything will change. He’s there for one reason and one reason only. He’ll say and do as he’s told, no matter how much he has to lie and spin his way through it.

    Still, he’s bought some groovy French players to fit into his master plan.

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  29. yeah I think we should get shot of Pards before he gets a chance with his on team, and sure we can get JFK in that will be brilliant. 😯

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  30. Michael, it’s Friday FFS.

    Nee one can be arsed to read that pile of bollocks you just wrote.

    Instead of waffling on about a load of negative bullshit we’ve all heard a million times before (blah, blah, blah…puppet…whinge…moan…yawn) why not present us with a realistic alternative?

    Or is that too much to ask?

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  31. Decent article on ESPN today:
    http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/104262.html?CMP=OTC-RSS

    “Fans may also moan that all the Carroll money has not been reinvested (as was promised, albeit in the heat of the moment), but then again the club returned losses of nearly £70 million in the two seasons between 2008 and 2010. Presumably the fans also want European football, yet – under the soon-to-be-introduced UEFA Financial Fair Play rules – those figures would make them ineligible. Money has to be saved somewhere.”

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  32. That Barnetta thing is shyte, MA payed his agent to say that he is injured so we dont have to sign him 😉

    I think Pards is aright, but with the managers that we’re available at the time, I would have rather we had gone for some one else, but they all wanted a nice size kitty.

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  33. So what do you suggest we do michael, get another manager in the exactly the same position as him?

    We could have Jose mourinho as our manager, with Ashley is charge he still aint going to get his way.

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  34. Big Dave 41

    Yeah Big Dave because Joe Kinnear is the only other football manager in the world isn’t he? There are no other manager’s who could come here.

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  35. Personally I have nothing against Pardew, but some people on here need reminding that he signed a 5 yr contract to work for Dumb and Dumber.
    His contract will be laced with clauses and incentives to which HE agreed to work under.
    Wonder if Pardew did any due diligence on his bosses ❓ You would think so surely 😉
    With this in mind I have no sympathy for him he knew what he was signing up to.
    I am not in favour of any demo’s against Pardew as this will only bring about the return of the buffoon JFK and possibly result in us being relegated.
    This season is gonna be a bumpy ride, why not hop on the reality train for a more comfortable ride 😆

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  36. MICHAEL LAUDRUP
    August 5, 2011 at 11:20
    Big Dave 41
    Yeah Big Dave because Joe Kinnear is the only other football manager in the world isn’t he? There are no other manager’s who could come here

    no decent manager would come and work with these 2 gimps

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  37. Pardew isn’t the problem he is just part of it.

    It’s rotten from the top down, and until that changes nothing changes.

    I feel a bit sorry for him, because it’s a nightmare scenario, but he is most definitely complicit in allowing this mess to continue along it’s merry way, and is compounding the situation. To absolve him of blame just because THEY tell him what to do is missing the point.

    The reason Keegan left was because they made it impossible for him to do his job. Pardew isn’t facing up to the reality because of his relationship with them.

    There isn’t a manager in the world worth his salt would put up with that type pof club management. Doesn’t that tell you things are so wrong?

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  38. men as supporters of this club we must get behind our team and urge them on forget the fact that £35million was said to be given to AP for transfers forget the fact that the fat controller is in charge and look around because this time next year we may be doing a blackpool
    I as your leader and owner of our club will invest more money (should i have a win at Aspers tonight) and buy more french players because part of the agreement in buying these lot from france is that i get first bash at new sports direct stores in what ever town or city i buy them from
    on a lighter note thank god i will not be paying out £32MILLION IN BONUS to that daft golfer

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  39. Bovril – that is a good article mate.

    It makes Ashley’s tough stance on wages and contracts seem very shrewd.

    Of course he will get absolutely no credit for it.

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  40. Great balanced article featured on NEWSNOW, by Alex Dimond ESPN.co.uk
    IN DEFENCE OF MIKE ASHLEY—really explains perfectly the position from all angles.

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  41. TC

    Just shows why were steering clear of British based players. I bet Upson was on around the 50-60 grand + a week as an England international. Be interesting to see what kind of wages the makems have given their new signings, a fair whack I’d say to prise them away from Man U.

    I want more players in as much as anybody but I’m glad were not throwing vast amounts on mediocre players like the makems etc

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  42. “My plan and my strategy for Newcastle is different. It has to be,” Ashley said in a statement. “Arsenal is the shining example in England of a sustainable business model. It takes time. Newcastle has therefore set up an extensive scouting system. We look for young players, for players in foreign leagues who everyone does not know about. We search high and low looking for value, for potential that we can bring on and for players who will allow Newcastle to compete at the very highest level but who don’t cost the earth.”

    wasnt this statement made before we went down

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  43. Bovril – yep mate. I think Ashley knows that something has to give. When the new financial regulations come in clubs aren’t going to be able to afford to pay average players £50-£60k a week, or offer 28-30 year olds 4-5 year contracts.

    It seems as though he’s trying to give us a head start on the rest, it’s just that, as usual with regard to NUFC, he’s going a ham-fisted way about it.

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  44. u lot face up 2 reality…newcastle are not a top 4 club….fact…what ever we get for players and bring in…is still not good enough for some newcastle fans…make that most..we are n not going 2 compete with any1 of them…arsenal cant….so what the hell are we going 2 do…u lot are 2 blame as well as the owners…with stupid things about ashley and co…what players can we get or buy…2 me ben arfa was great…never in my wildest dreams think that would happen…we are not going 2 get them deals…why get ****..so if we dont buy people moan..its not easy..when arsenal cant do anything as well…we are not anywhere them..be postive it is going 2 get us moving forward…

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  45. Michael L you answered your own question almost, the only other manager that would work for the Fatman is JFK. Hence why I said it 😀

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  46. TC,the new financial regulations have just been blowen clean oot the water m8,with man city getting 400 mill for changing the name of there stadium 😕

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  47. He’s a LIAR. Been a LIAR since DAY 1

    HOW DO YOU THINK HE GOT THE JOB?

    It is the only reason Hughton was bizzarely sacked and Pardew was hired. So he could lie and spin to the fans on behalf of Ashley in return for a Managers job he would never ever ever have gotten in this lifetime based on managerial merit EVER, NEVER. Job Number 1 was Andy Carroll! Job number 2, The first contact I had about the job was this week. 3,we can’t keep our best players for the next 3 years until finances are sorted. Job number 4, all of the 35 million will be spent improving the squad, Job number 5, free transfers have gobble up most of 35 million. Job number 6, Jose has had a FANTASTIC new contract offer!

    The list will go on!

    If Pardew continues to do this for Ashley, he won’t be sacked no matter what our league position. If we are in the bottom 3 for Christmas, he WON’T BE SACKED!

    He’s a kahk manager and we will be in a relegation battle next season. Maybe we will just survive but given the lack of depth in our squad, and the influx of new signings yet to dip their toes in the cold fast and furious rapids that is Premier League Football, Relegation is a serious serious possibility. Joey Barton was right to mention the R word because our situation is serious at the minute.

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  48. Hitman – if you actually read the statement he never said we were following the “Arsenal model”. He merely cited them of a shining example of how a footclub can exist within its means.

    The only model we have followed since he bought us is the “Ashley model” and it has obviously had to change with the times, as all businesses have.

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  49. Hitman @64 – the new financial regulations haven’t come into affect yet.

    I guess what that was a preemptive move by Shitty’s owner in light of that.

    What they do or do not do makes no difference to us at this moment in time.

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  50. Sirbobby

    Are you daring to suggest that Pardew HASN’T been brought in because of footballing nouse, and that no matter what happens to the club as regards player transfers and performances, it doesn’t matter, because the whole point of him being here is to cover up what’s actually going on?

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  51. chicken what happened 20 million (free gift) he was gonna give for team building every year????

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  52. Roy – to quote myself @68

    “The only model we have followed since he bought us is the “Ashley model” and it has obviously had to change with the times, as all businesses have.”

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