Southampton v Newcastle – Premier League match preview

Saints or sinners?
Newcastle and their travelling fans will make the longest trip in the Premier League this weekend as they face a 700 mile round trip to take on Southampton.

The Saints are back in the big time this season after a seven season absence which has seen them drop through the Championship into League One and back to the Premier League finally.

This game also rounds off a trio of Alan Pardew’s former clubs that we’ve come up against in recent weeks. A draw at Reading and a home loss against West Ham have ensured that we haven’t fared too well against Pardew’s former employers but I’m hoping that changes this weekend. In fairness I think we’re all hoping that changes this weekend.

Newcastle:

If it is to change we will have to do it with a lengthly injury list. Newcastle will be without Shola Ameobi, Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye, Dan Gosling, Ryan Taylor, Haris Vuckic, Xisco and Adam Campbell through injury with Fabricio Coloccini also out of the game as he serves the final game of his three game suspension following his red card against Liverpool.

Papiss Cisse, Jonas Gutierrez and Gabriel Obertan are all doubtful although James Perch is reportedly close to making a comeback. Another comeback kid could be Nile Ranger who has been named as part of the matchday squad against the team who once had him on their books. Ranger was released by The Saints in 2008 following a string of off-field issues.

Southampton:

Frazer Richardson and Richard Chaplow are the only absentees for Southampton. Guly do Prado and Artur Boruc could be recalled after missing the games against Swansea and QPR.

Previously…

Newcastle have one just one game in the last 19 league trips to St Mary’s and, prior to their new ground, at The Dell. That win was our last visit to the South coast back in 2004 with a rare goal from Stephen Carr sealing the three points on that occasion. Our last win prior to 2004 came in 1972!

There have been 43 meetings at Southampton over the years. Southampton have won 27 of those games, Newcastle just five with the other 11 ending in a draw. Newcastle just shade it overall though with 34 wins compared to 31 for Southampton with 17 draws making up the 82 meetings between the two sides.

Match stats and facts:

Newcastle are looking to avoid three straight defeats. the last time we lost three on the spin was back in September 2008.

Southampton are the only side in the Premier League without a clean sheet.

Newcastle have won just one game since Alan Pardew was awarded his eight-year contract.

Final thought…

It’s going to be a tough game, any away game in the Premier League is in fairness, but with the clutch of missing players we have to contend with it leaves us looking light on numbers.

Not only numbers are light though. Also confidence seems to be in short supply at the moment which isn;t a good thing.

We haven’t had things are own way this season and you could argue that this run we are in currently is the first real test of Alan Pardew’s Newcastle tenure. The only thing that will turn it round is results which will buy time to get the performances right again.

Unfortunately I can’t see that happening tomorrow.

Howay the lads!

Date: Sunday, 25th November, 2012

Time: 3pm

Venue: St Mary’s Stadium

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305 thoughts on “Southampton v Newcastle – Premier League match preview

  1. Lawro has predicted a loss tomorrow.:-

    “All of a sudden it seems Newcastle cannot win a game and their manager Alan Pardew keeps getting fresh injuries to deal with too – the latest one being another key player in Yohan Cabaye.

    Paulo Gazzaniga has conceded 10 goals in six Premier League games for Southampton

    So Pardew has a lot to contend with as he goes back to St Mary’s and one of his former clubs – Southampton sacked him after they had beaten Bristol Rovers 4-0 in August 2010, when they were a League One club.

    He would obviously love to go back and win but I don’t see it happening.

    I was really impressed by Saints in their win over QPR last week – they were really clever in that they heaped the pressure on Rangers and dominated the game in all areas. They were good to watch, too.

    Saints handled the pressure of the whole day so well, and they were probably sat in the dressing room afterwards saying: “You know what, we can win games in this league.”

    Sometimes, teams have turning points in seasons. I just wonder if that might have been one for them.

    I am not sure about Southampton keeper Paulo Gazzaniga, though. He got away with a couple of mistakes at Loftus Road and time will tell whether he is up to the standard required for the Premier League.

    Prediction: 2-1

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  2. Kim-If that’s all it was in relation too fair enough. I couldn’t remember exactly which was why I asked. I agree, some are giving him a lot more stick than he deserves and they forgot/don’t understand the type of player he is….although similarly people overrated him last season, imo. He never convinced me he was a better player in general than Ba, which is why we have to use them both correctly.

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  3. so there it is then. We need to put their keeper under pressure and see if he buckles.
    I can see Santon getting a goal tomorrow.
    seems like the only remaining player with any fire in his belly.

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  4. Dave-my comment @130. Posted at 19:40

    I won’t lie mate, you’ve made me feel like banging my head on a wall tonight. 🙄 More out of embarrassment on your behalf though, as you don’t seem to feel it yourself 😆

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  5. BB-Their keeper and their two CBs are poor for me. Not sure if we’ll be able to make them pay though…

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  6. i cant see us winning tomoz propper bogey team away ,7 point out of our next 7 games pardew out 😈 😈 😉

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  7. NEWKIE
    November 24, 2012 at 19:40 (Edit)
    Dave-Benny hasn’t been asked to play an unfamiliar position, he’s been asked to play his normal one-but is asking for a different one. Ba was played out of position last year…There are differences, well, I can see them anyway.
    Also, Benny is actually good on the wing and possibly better than he is in a number 10 role=we haven’t seen enough of him I suppose. Ba on the other hand, clearly a very good striker, ***** on the wing. I said at the time I didn’t agree with the assurances, he was probably wrong to raise it in general-although like I said I understood it IF it meant 4-3-1-2 or any such variety of formation. Would I tell Benny that he can play centrally 90% of the time even though he’s shown virtually nothing there? No. Different scenarios, but maybe you can’t see it.

    Newkie maybe you can cut and paste the part where you think you answered me

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  8. Dave-Right at the end mate.

    “Would I tell Benny that he can play centrally 90% of the time even though he’s shown virtually nothing there? No.”

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  9. lets hope ba continues his scoring reccord against the 6 fingerd people on wed hate the bastards 👿

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  10. To be fair to Benny he had just come back from injury when used in that no 10 slot so was always gonna be short on match fitness and sharpness. I still think when fully fit he’d be good there and would like him to get the chance ,I can also see Marv there too.
    Newkie@130
    Dave-Benny hasn’t been asked to play an unfamiliar position, he’s been asked to play his normal one-but is asking for a different one. Ba was played out of position last year…There are differences, well, I can see them anyway.
    But didn’t he play there for West Ham? and played well ,scored a fair few I thought too , so that would make him not **** on the wing or out of position either then.

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  11. Newkie let me spell it out for you once again 😉 I never asked you would YOU tell Benny that he can play centrally 90% of the time

    I simply asked do you think Pards should give Benny the same assurances as he gave Ba ? so is it clear now that I asked should Pards not you ?? there is a big difference Pards is the manager of our team and your just a blogger on here so infact you never answered my question until 139 which was as I said 1hr and 10 mins and 11 posts later 😯

    I won’t lie to you mate, you’ve made me feel like I was banging my head on a brick wall tonight. More out of embarrassment on your behalf , as you don’t seem to feel it yourself or 😆 😆 so maybe in future just give a straight answer as it will save you that embarrasment when you finally catch on that your wrong as you seem to have a problem to admit your wrong 😉 but don’t worry I won’t tell everyone 😀

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  12. Kim-Yeah, I did say he came back, but however you dress it up he was poor. At least you remember him playing there though 😀 But I have also said I’d like to see him there in a change of formation…

    Kim-I may be wrong, but from what I remember with West Ham he was up top with Carlton Cole more often that not, who would have the ball hoofed up and would knock it on for players to dart in behind/recieve. It played to Ba’s strength-his finishing. For us, he was essentially being asked to play the same role as Benny, an inverse winger and ideally provide service to our best finisher-Cisse. He had none of the real trickery or skill of his counterpart Ben Arfa. You yourself said he was a selfish player-would you want a selfish player attempting to create for Cisse? 😕

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  13. Sorry Batts I wasn’t ignoring you mate I was just busy trying to help young Newkie out of a sticky situation he got himsel in, but he kept digging himsel in deeper so it took a bit longer 😆

    Im all good mate and I will always want to know you like 😉 after all you do a lot for Ice giving him a job etc and im all for good samaritans looking after our OAPs

    Kim as for Benny not being asked to do an unfamiliar role I didn’t realise that Benny was a defender and loved to defend for atleast 50% of the game 😉

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  14. Dave-You’re being pedantic for the sake of it now and you know you are, because you’re wrong, you can’t answer my other questions, and you’ll never admit to being wrong. It was so obvious what I was saying but you pick up a misplaced word and run with it.

    I actually do admit to being in the wrong-I did to you actually a while back didn’t I? Although with your memory, I doubt you’ll remember 😆

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  15. Dave@167 ,Aye, defendings all the rage ya know ,well it is at our club I mean who wants to attack that’s soooooooo last year darling. 😉

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  16. Open question to all –

    I’ve been thinking, if Pardew is handed £10m in Jan – does he strengthen his defence or attack?
    or does he try and split it and get a player for each position?

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  17. Sharpy-It’s an interesting one, I’d probably say defence as a CB should be, generally speaking, better value for money. It does depend on the formation we intend to play as well…personally I think we could still field a good front 3 without reinforcements, if we play the right way…

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  18. Of course there’s still the chance Ba could leave…13million to get a top class striker and second choice CB…yeah, good luck with that 😕

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  19. Newkie I can assure you I wasn’t being pedantic if I ask you should pards do something I expect you to tell me what Pards should do not tell me what you would do 😯
    If it was so obvious then you should have caught on and not kept digging as I did point it out @ 138
    I just don’t like it when people try to backtrack and change things etc because they can’t hold their hands up and say they were wrong 😉
    And I didn’t even bite when you got around to answering me @ 139 even though it seemed to me that you thought you had to talk down to me and spell it out to me like I was some sort of **** so i’m proud of mysel for being the bigger man and not throwing toys all around the place.
    So I hope we have that all sorted out now 😉

    Sharpy I think both positions need strengthening and I don’t think £10 mil will do it, and what if as Newkie says @ 175 Ba goes

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  20. Newkie ,spot on ,I did say he was a selfish player ,he is and idealy I wouldn’t play them together wether in a front two or with Ba to the left as if he don’t wanna be there he won’t play well . Also the ONLYway both up front could work is with quality service to them ,as it stands they are feeding off scraps and getting in each others way in a bid to score effectivly rendering the pair of them useless and selfish ,in that formation anyway. Christ you got a good memory ,what it is to be young eh. 😉

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  21. Dave-But if I’ve told you what I would do surely that is exactly my opinion on what Pards should do/not do. I place myself in the hypothetical situation and give the answer. I thought that was pretty straightforward but obviously I was wrong.

    I clearly wasn’t backtracking or changing what I said though-as you can see, in hindsight my answers are still the same. Maybe there was some misunderstanding, but it’s still exactly the same statement 😕

    You can say I threw my toys out and you didn’t, but at the end of the day you were also sarky to me before 139 and essentially called me a smart ****-and equally you refused to reply to my other points. It’s frustrating when people don’t reply-I gather you felt the same as you were banging on about the time it took to answer you 😕 Yet you never responded to mine. If I were a pedantic man I’d note that its been over 2hours since then by the way and I received no reply…

    There was no issue in the first place from my end mate. We disagree on a lot but I have time for you as a poster and I like the banter. If you felt I lost it it’s because I thought you were purposely ignoring my statement-I can see now why you might not have understood what I meant, but I’m the kind of guy that says “well I wouldn’t do that” implying I think Pards is wrong, I would do it differently. Similarly if I say “I’d do this” and Pards did the same thing it shows I agree with his approach.

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  22. Sharpy – £10M wont cut it mate. simples.
    I got a feeling no other club will come in for Ba in Jan, so we are stuck with both our strikers. But we still need to find another one, that is different from them two.
    Also we need a right full back and a very good Centre back.
    So I would think more like £20M will need to be spent.
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    Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
    never gonna happen.
    Llambastad will be pleading poverty as per usual.
    I just dont believe we can still be skint tho, but if we are, then tough ****, go overdrawn like the rest of us.
    Kunts ❗

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  23. Kim-Agreed. Neither will set up many chances for the other, that much is clear. Benny is also a little notorious for holding onto the ball, so him as a “playmaker” is still risky business. But it’s something many of us would like to see tried, myself included.

    I have a great memory for certain things…I suffer terrible memory loss while drinking though, so maybe it’s just that I have less to remember in life in general 😉

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  24. I see Arsehole winger is blaming the midweek game for his troops not performing so well today.
    Apparently Giroud is tired. Bless

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  25. Newkie what was it you asked me ❓ I honestly don’t mean to ignore questions but when i am asking a question I would rather get that sorted then move on as sometimes on here I have seen people numbering questions from 1 to god knows and you end up getting lost.
    Oh and thats the bad thing about a blog you can’t see the other persons eye to see if there is a glint in them when they say something as sometimes things that are said can be took the wrong way in words 😉

    BB well Simmo has said that the club aren’t going to renew his contract so thats one we need and the CB, I still think we need a bellamy type striker, I know I might get stick for it but I still think Martins would have been a good striker

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  26. Dave-It was linked in with us talking about Benny in the hole etc, you said you wanted him to play there but then talked as if he had never played there? If I’m being brutally honest I didn’t use a question mark about it but the point still stands…If you haven’t seen him play there why do you think he should be given a shot there?

    Dave-I agree, sarcasm and stuff can be hard to put into texts, I don’t think I’ve ever lost my rag at anyone….close once or twice with Bobby Shinton maybe, many moons ago 😆

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  27. Sharpy ,re jan spends. 10m ain’t enough what with our injury list. A lot depends on the system we are mostly gonna play, if it’s a conventional 442 then a decent crosser of the ball with pace for the wing is wanted and a cb and rb if simmo goes .Well you wouldn’t get 3 first team players for 10m. What ever happens I will be surprised with one in let alone 2 or 3. If really pushed to choose I would say CB since we have needed one for two or more years.

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  28. Newkie I use to laugh like fuk at BS9 winding people up I could never understand how so many people bit at him 😆
    As for Benny apart from maybe 2 3 times just after he came back when you could still see he was a bit afraid to put himsel about, which I think was understandable. but when you watch him now that he is back on song I think he would be an absolute cracking player in that role and I think he would cause far more problems for teams, but I think they main thing holding him up is Pards insistence on him having to do more work defending. I will always remember fondly Ginola and Robert and the magic they brought to our team but they were never saddled with defending, I would say Benny has made more tackles in his time with us as Ginola and Robert put together.
    the other thing that annoys me is that Pards has said a few times about Benny having to work more for the team ( defending) yet I have rarely seen Obertan make a tackle but I have seen him pull out of plenty but I have never heard Pards say owt about him except that he needed confidence and patience 👿

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  29. Newkie to make it even more clear imo Benny should be in the hole with only one order and thats to attack and cause as much bother as he can with a license to thrill

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  30. Dave-In my defence it was in the very early days of blogging, I assumed he was being serious. After that I still debated, twas a good laugh 😆

    I’m still not sure whether he’d cause far more problems there…For me I’d like to see him there because it will get the best out of him and Ba/Cisse combined. Individually they could well be better in different positions i.e Cisse at the top of 4-3-3. Even Benny could be better out wide in a 4-3-3 because of the space, it’s the space he is allowed to exploit where he does best…Although he could well be better-we can’t judge til we’ve seen a fair amount of it.

    I’ve said that I think a lot of the time Benny spends defending is a bit wasteful so I agree with you a bit-but I do think the general defensive work and his approach has improved him as a player. I think he would say that as well. All the best players need to be able to put a shift in-Messi is a brilliant example of it. Honestly I think Benny could play for Madrid-but in the current circumstances would Mourinho want someone who won’t defend? Even Ronaldo does some 😀

    And I’m also pretty sure Bobby had pops at Robert for being lazy…

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  31. Was Bobby on .com? I remember arguing with someone on there quite heatedly, but it could have been any number of them 😕

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  32. I’m saying £10m coz that’s about what he was given last Jan – though I don’t think he spent it all.
    If we can keep Ba then I think we strengthened the defence. If we get a couple of ball playing defenders like Debuchy and another, then I think we have the attacking personnel who can get goals with good service. Don’t get me wrong, forwards still need strengthening, but could wait til the summer IMO

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  33. Dave – The problem isn’t playing Benny in the hole, it’s finding someone to do a decent job on the right in his absence. We haven’t got that at the moment.

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  34. Kim 😉

    Newkie > I’ve said that I think a lot of the time Benny spends defending is a bit wasteful so I agree with you a bit

    See stick with me and i’ll keep you right 😉 although I have to say I can’t recall seeing Ronaldo tackling 😯 I would say Oba has made more tackles 🙄 or maybe not.
    I agree all the best players should be able to put a shift in but they very seldom have to and not when there attacking is our main ( only ) threat.
    reet thats me outta here catch you’s tomorrow

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  35. Toonsy @ 193 well tell that c@nt Jabba to get us someone 😆 Do you not think Oba is the answer for the right 😉

    Newkie @ 191 yeah he was on there aswell 😆

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  36. Dave-As if 😆

    It’s not so much them going to ground or putting in “real” tackles, more the hassling that any player can do to stop the opposition having time on the ball. I’m not sure Benny ever did enough of that, but he does now and it also puts him in good positions to spark counter attacks-sometimes. To be fair to Obertan, he did hassle people and track back to help Simmo. Simmo certainly got more help from him than he ever did from Barton who certainly wasn’t shy of a tackle-it was the added man rather than “getting stuck in.”

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  37. Dave – I think Oba shouldbe the answer but he’s not showing it. Much as it pains me to say it, I think this is where we’re missing Raylor 😯

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  38. Just seen the table on MOTD and I’m starting to genuinely worry now. We desperately need to pick up points before our horrific December run-in, or I fear we could be in the bottom three by the New Year.

    MA needs to spend. The likes of Remy and Debuchy will make a massive difference to both our left and right flanks, which is where I attribute the majority of our offensive problem.

    A ball-playing CB on top and we would be in great shape, but I can’t see that. To be honest, I can’t see us signing more than one player…

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  39. (THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. ONLY ENGAGE IF YOU AREN’T SENSITIVE AND DON’T TAKE HISSY FITS)

    God bless Bobby Shinton number 9 RIP. 😐

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  40. I think another problem is that we are not pressing opp teams enough when we are not in possession. Last season we closed down the opp teams and gave them very little time on the ball. This season we are sitting back and not pressuring enough. O.K we are playing poorly but as I have stated before, we are simply not working hard enough when we have the ball and when we don’t. Some fecking hard graft will be a start for the game today…

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  41. Toonsy
    We wouldnt be missing raylor if we weren’t reliant on hoofball, why can’t we take an example of WBA and Swansea? They play good along the ground football and as a result are challenging at the top, it may just be early days but they have the right plan. We have better players man for man than 75% of the league but we arent using them properly, Pardew needs to get his act together.

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  42. A lot of the “hoofball” passes we are playing are from players that are not entirely under pressure… It seems that our defensive unit must think that they can hit 40 yard wonder passes every time they get the ball. It’s just poor decision making rather than skill deficiencies. We just need to get back to basics.. 😕

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  43. I agree with Aussie. I don’t think we pressure the opposition enough when without the ball and I don’t think our team make themselves open enough when we do have the ball. End result-hoofball.

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  44. dont know about the 75% figure Andymag, but you’re right about the passing.
    IMO thats a failing of the coaching staff and manager not insisting on it.
    Pardew is looking more and more weak in my eyes and the players are ruling the roost more than him.
    West Brom have worked hard at their passing. You could see it today. They arent brilliant at it, and make mistakes, but you can at least see them TRYING. And its paying off for them.
    The more you practise the better and easier it becomes. Clearly we aren’t practising this basic skill enough in training, and it shows.

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  45. The ‘hoofball’ is mainly coming from simmo, willo and timmy.
    They practise it so much, you think they would be good at it by now.

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  46. BB-To be fair though, WBA have been a good passing side for a long time now. Even in the CC they were a better passing side than us and they’ve had three changes of manager since then…it would be interesting if other ground staff members have been there throughout…

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  47. morning Newkie 😉

    Just a bit of advice mate.. You won’t win an argument against Big Dave.. Most decrepit old timers like him, get stuck in their ways and get really stubborn. You’ll have to cut him a little slack, it’s tough being that old. 😉

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  48. Aussie 😆

    Harsh mate, harsh….I think he’s going to pick me up on anything, he won’t forgive me now for calling him Irish 😕 😉

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  49. Krul’s distribution from the back is shocking. But to be fair, as an opposition coach all you would need to do is tell your players to shut down Santon when Krul has the ball and then you are just about ensured that the ball will be hoofed long. Simpson isn’t an option and Krul won’t roll it out through the centre of the park…

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  50. Not sure why people think we’ll do well…This time our top players actually did play in the europa and we actually do have injuries-Pards’ excuses will be true this time, unless he invents summit else 😆

    The only reason I think we might get something is, rather than us playing well, the torrential rain will mean their passing football won’t work but our hoof ball will 😉

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  51. Always interesting to read opposition fans’ thoughts.

    “They were at home so no travelling for them, however they couldn’t really rotate, even Ba had to be pressed into action because of the Cisse injury and they struggled to a draw against Maritomo team that “yet to take a point or score a goal away from home in the competition.” so we certainly should be fresher, we need to be right at them from the off to take advantage of any sluggishness they might have”

    They think our players will be tired and even think it’s a valid excuse, whereas many of our own fans don’t believe in it….

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  52. Aussie-In case you haven’t been keeping up to date on the blog, I’m always right mate 😀

    Out of interest, do you have a good feeling? I’m not sure what I want to hear.. 😆

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  53. I know I’m not alone when I remember back to last years games against Fulham and West Brom. We lost at Fulham, but we played some great football that day.Then it all came together against West Brom and I remember thinking at the time that we had turned the corner. That the longball nonsense was a thing of the past and we would now have a side that could outplay sides.

    It’s a shame that hasn’t materialised. Feels like we have regressed. We could really do with a technical striker a la Berbatov to help contribute on the wings and in midfield. Come to think of it, why didn’t we go for Berbatov? Imagine him and Ben Arfa in the same side.

    As good as Ba is in front of goal, he is poor technically. Cisse is worse. This is why Ameobi is our only striker that can hold the ball up under pressure. Shameful stuff really.

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  54. Agree completely aussie, back to basics, study teams like Barca and Dortmund and try and replicate that style/technique here. It isn’t rocket science to create a passing team.

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  55. Newkie, you are always right when you agree with me mate 😉 … the rest of the time, well 😕 😆

    For the record…. I do not have a good feeling about this game 😯

    I like to be positive about or chances but even I have had it beaten out of me lately….. 😆

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  56. The whole problem stems from our defensive long balls… The mids come in short for a pass and it gets hit over their heads to the strikers. This means that their is a large gap between the mids and strikers because they have not moved forward as a unit. We would not need someone to hold the ball up if we played the ball through our mid as we should. The matter is made worse when one of our mids bangs it long. Ideally you would want them pressed up behind the strikers playing in short passes but as it stands they are camped way back down the field. 😕

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  57. The Kid-Agreed. Berbatov was a fucking steal for Fulham. I assumed wages would be a stumbling block but come on…how can we not compete with Fulham 😕 Al Fayed is generally pretty tight….Would have reshaped our team. No need for an attacking mid. No need for a striker-bar a young pacey one if Campbell wasn’t deemed close to making any appearances…

    I don’t feel Ba is that bad, he can at least run with the ball, but he’s not a box of tricks. He can compete against CBs for strength and pace imo. Cisse can’t do either.

    Aussie-Pah. Well I know Vegas will have my back, he’s not a proper Aussie so he’ll talk a bit more sense… 😆

    Fair enough mate…let’s hope you’ll jinx a win for us 😉

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  58. …aye, alreet, this fucking Movember lark anarl that, but haway man, Michael Owen and Mark Lawrenson sat next to each other on MotD made me question my sexuality.

    I DEFFO got a twitch on.

    FACT! 😯

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