Not only have a lot of people become football finance analysts keen to know the details of the money side of things, but more recently a lot of people have turned into tactical masters and insist their way is the best way.
Now what is blatantly obvious is we, as a team, aren’t playing well at the moment and it’s tactics, or Alan Pardew and his implementation of them, that are getting the blame for the bulk of it. My own personal opinion is that they do have an impact on how we’ve been laying, but I also think it is a bit blinkered to think that it is only tactics that have been our downfall recently.
There are more factors behind it as Jonas Gutierrez has mentioned today in the local press. Long story short he basically said that tactics are one part of a winning team and that United have a number of systems that they train with and use depending on opposition. The big thing for me though is his insistence that the most important factor in any formation is the players giving 100%, which is strange really as I don’t think Jonas, uncharacteristically, can be tagged in that bracket right now.
Many factors combine to win a football match. Tactics are one part of it, but also individual player performance, morale, and luck all also play a part. I’m not saying that a 4-3-3 or a 4-1-3-2 or whatever wouldn’t have worked better, all I’m saying is that none of those formations could negate some of the poor individual performances that have contributed far more to our defeats in recent weeks. Name me one tactic that will stop our goalkeeper spooning clearances straight to the opposition or another which allows our players to actually make a pass to a player five yards away?
Much has been made of the 4-3-3 system that we used effectively last season. It was great to watch and we really opened teams with it, but we also had players playing in that formation who were bang in form. We had Papiss Cisse scoring from anywhere and everywhere, Hatem Ben Arfa showing that he can destroy teams on his own, Yohan Cabaye spraying the ball about, Jonas Gutierrez working his socks off, Fabricio Coloccini being some form of colossus and Tim Krul showing that he is one of the best young goalkeepers in Europe.
Is it any coincidence our performances have dipped along with the form of so may of our players? And is that down to tactics or is it down to other factors?
But atleast we’re at the top of the lge table for indiscipline 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave-They should, but if Jonas is having a bit of the good life it’s quite hard to keep track of isn’t it? You mention fergie, but he was told to beef up and that has undoubtedly slowed him. Shola is always going to get slower, but as Moreno pointed out, he did have that one burst of pace against Bordeux, probably the only thing he had left in the tank 😆
But if you say he will go through a minefield, dropping a few pounds shouldn’t be too much of an ask should it?
Newkie(Quote)
@Toonband #54: It is simply laughable how desperate people are to create mitigating circumstances for Cabaye’s below average performances this season. It really can’t just be Cabaye is poor that is just inconceivable. It has to be something else, new born baby, wife pregnant again, flu, Shola, Williamson, Jews are all feasible excuses just not Cabaye is simply rubbish.
It is not Williamson’s fault that Cabaye does not create, score or do anything worthwhile in our attacking play. Cabaye is not talented creatively. Defensively he is just about average if not slightly below average. He never has been class for France, Newcastle or Lille. He is vastly overrated.
Second point, tactics are the biggest difference between winning or losing. Tactics are also not just formations nor are they player which Pardew seems to think they are. Tactics begin with knowing our strengths and weaknesses and identifying those of our rivals and defining a plan on either how to exploit their weakness or shoring up a weakness we may have that our rivals have an attacking strength in. From there we start to select the team of players with attributes that best suit what we intend to do.
If fully fit a thinking and deliberate manager does not select his best team for every game. That is just gambling. There should be no such thing as guaranteed places in a team except for the captain.
Michael12(Quote)
DJG-Make that 7 😆
Newkie(Quote)
Spoke to ******* soon!!! I’ve got Rafeal and Evra in my dream team – or should I say did have! – thanks *******!!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Michael 😆
Like your point about excuses-agree with that, if not wholly with the Cabaye stuff. Excuses have been made for him though. Like i said, he has the most long balls in our side for outfield players…
Newkie(Quote)
There is no one single factor to explain our poor form this season but it is laughable that it would be Jonas to point to workrate of players. He has clearly lost a step or two but can still be a very important player for us especially with Perch out for the next game. Our set pieces are woeful. Take a look at some of the Reading crosses and corners against ManU today. They put us to shame. Our play is disjointed with not enough players making themselves available, making many of the long balls necessary. The obvious panic near the end of the Stoke game was quite clear as well. Add to this injuries, lack of depth thanks to management and all the extra games and you have a recipe for disaster which is what we have so far.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Sharpy
I’d been tempted to get on the rafael bandwagon, glad I stayed clear now
Newkie(Quote)
G2-Agreed.
Newkie(Quote)
Where do we go from here? A win against Wigan is a must obviously or I fear we will fall to 16th. A loss would be a disaster so the pressure is on and there is nowhere to hide for our lads. We need big performances from everyone but most of all from Cisse and Ba. They have both proved that they can score goals so it’s time for both of them to score in the same match. If we get a good start I think we will win but if we allow something poor in from them in the first half I fear for us as we haven’t come from behind to win this season.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@Newkie. The excuses are becoming ridiculous.
Williamson 63 long balls this season Cabaye has played 94 considering Williamson has played more games than Cabaye yet Cabaye exceeds him in the long ball dept.
Now Cabaye apologists will say Pardew told him to hoof it. Perhaps he did but why can’t the same mitigating excuse be applied to Williamson? I suppose because you just don;t like him.
Michael12(Quote)
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@Toonbano
I like your passion. You say it how you feel and don’t mince your words.
I would like you to think ahead though and instead of saying you want him sacked now, come up with some possible replacements who would be prepared to work under Ashley’s policies knowing that Toon fans aren’t satisfied with mediocrity, someone who has a good track record bearing in mind, those with good track records are normally very sought after.
Be realistic and don’t name managers that clearly are out of our range. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
@78 Michael12 why to you keep referring to Jews in your posts? It is worrying and potentially racist.
griff(Quote)
michael 12 – whats the success rate of those long passes ❓
Plus you need to know where those long balls are coming from.
In willos case it is generally from our defensive third.
You cant blame cabaye for willos abject performance against stoke.
There are still too many long balls being played. Who’s fault is that ❓
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Michael-Indeed. What I will say is that obviously not all “long balls” are “hoofs” in that a fair amount of Cabayes could be longish passes just above the floor. But the stat still stands, people use the “Most long ball team” to suggest we constantly hoof from defence-more than stoke-and that is an outright lie contradicted by the stats, people just don’t want to believe it, they want to believe it’s all down to Pardew enjoying hoofball or as you say, hatred of Williamson or something ridiculous like that….
Cabaye started the season very poorly I thought, he’s had a few good games but like the rest of our team has under performed.
Newkie(Quote)
Griff @ 88 I was thinking the same 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
we really need norwich v scum to play out a draw tomorrow too.
Either team getting the win will be bad for us. 😕
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Totally agree mind you about Cabaye so far this season.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say he is ****, but something isn’t right in his body language. Not to mention his injury.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Newkie @ 90 but if Pards doesn’t want the players to hoof the ball then why doesn’t he make it clear to them, maybe in the case of a few players he knows they don’t offer much else but due to lack of players to take their place he has to accept it
Big Dave(Quote)
BB-Out of interest, do you blame Willo for Colo’s “abject performance” against Stoke?
Newkie(Quote)
BB @ 93 do you think that it’s possible that he has been pissed with the club over the Debuchy fiasco ?
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave-because if you’re being closed down and theres nobody open, what choice do you have exactly? Other than trying to dribble it out of defence?
Newkie(Quote)
Big Dave – maybe, but he is a pro footballer and has to get over it. Lame excuse really.
Newkie – was colo’s performance abject tho?
Yes he made a mistake for the 2nd goal but his overall game was ok.
He desperstely needs a quality CB partner alongside him. NOT willo.
Just my opinion tho
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Well, I didn’t think his performance was abject, but neither did I think Willo’s was. However, for the two goals they were a joke, they weren’t alone but they were a joke. Colo is up for more criticism because he is by far the better player. His ball watching for their second goal was an absolute joke
He was also caught in no-mans land for the first for me. But that was Jonas not stopping the cross. And Santon being out of position. And Tiote giving the ball away. So many variables..
Newkie(Quote)
Sorry but it is as clear as day that the formation we are playing really doesn’t suit the players we have. Last season we changed to a 4-3-3 and had one of the most brilliant and exhilarating forward 5 in the league. We had Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Ben Arfa and Jonas all attacking with intent, speed and skill. Because Ba was moaning at having to play out wide last year (during our 8/9 winning streak) Pardew has tried to appease him by playing 4-4-2. It isn’t working.
I know some on this blog think too much is made of formations but it’s there for all to see – with 4-3-3 we were at times brilliant, with 4-4-2 we look poor and are often over ran in midfield and that puts pressure on our defence which just isn’t the best anyway.
4-3-3 please Mr Pardew.
Stuart79(Quote)
well I think colo reads the game well, generally. But he is stretched having to try and cover for the weaknesses in the team.
Obviuosly as team captain he feels he has to do more than everyone else.
I feel sorry for him having so few other players he can depend on.
The team is a mess tbh.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Perhaps Pardew should take a look at our play from the stands to get a different view of it? At this point he has to try everything he can to shake the team up. Leave Carver on the sideline and go up above for a look. If Tiote can make his passing more accurate to go with his defensive abilities and Anita pushes forward to support Ba and/or Cisse maybe we can take the game to Wigan. Santon gives us a good game going forward from the left as well. Would love to see him score one for us.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
BB-So you think he did well for their two goals? No mistake at all?
Look he’s a quality player, I’m just against the notion that any top player can’t be have any flak thrown at them just because they are good. We all know what kind of footballer Williamson is, but you can’t just shield players from blame imo.
Newkie(Quote)
Article from 16th November
ALAN Pardew’s looking for Newcastle United to take control in midfield – starting against Swansea City.
Pardew’s side face the Swans at St James’s Park tomorrow determined to get back to winning ways.
For the most part this season, Pardew has adopted a 4-4-2 formation in the Premier League.
And fans have been questioning why the 4-3-3 system used so successfully last term has not been adopted.
By Pardew’s own admission, 10th-placed Newcastle – beaten 1-0 at home by West Ham United last weekend – have struggled for “fluency” going forward.
The injuries and suspensions which have deprived Pardew of first-choice central midfielders Yohan Cabaye and Cheik Tiote haven’t helped.
Cabaye will miss the Swansea game because of a groin injury, while Tiote returns from a three-game ban.
“Last year, we coped no problem with having two in midfield,” Pardew told the Gazette. “We could play two strikers.
“Sometimes we asked one of the strikers to defend the full-back when the opposition had possession.
“The problem is that the fluency of our game comes through the midfield.
“We need to make sure against Swansea that we don’t get bossed in that area.
“I think the concern that the fans have is the same as what I have.
“That’s not something that is lost on me. We controlled games in the second half of last season with much more authority than we are at the minute.
“That’s what we are trying to get. The Europa League’s meant we’ve swapped from system to system. That might be an issue. All those questions, trust me, me and my staff have gone through as much as the fans have.
“Nobody is more frustrated than me. Do you think I wanted to lose to West Ham?
“Last season we coped with three central midfielders with Cheik (Tiote) and (Yohan) Cabaye.
“And quite rightly because they are world-class players.
“This year though, the midfield is an area where we haven’t controlled it.
“We’re having a good look in there.”
Another issue for Pardew – whose team haven’t won by more than a one-goal margin in the league this season – is a lack of success from set-pieces.
“We’re constantly looking at it to improve our threat from set plays,” added Pardew.
“We need to win the first contact – it’s something we struggle to do.
“It’s important to win the first contact, because it might give you the second goal or third goal in a game to give you breathing space to see out a win.
“I think at the moment all of our wins have been one-goal winning margins.
“We’ve had no breathing space – we’ve had to claw over the line.
“All of those issues are understandable for our fans to be concerned about.”
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Ha Ha – “trust me”. 😕
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
It’s an interesting read Troy but it doesn’t really help much. We know we haven’t controlled the midfield much at all this season and most of us think Cabaye is having a less effective season. I think a lot of Cabaye’s problems stemmed from missing Tiote with his suspensions and injuries. They’ve never really been allowed to establish their partnership and now Cabaye is injured and Tiote will be away next February when Cabaye hopefully returns. So no easy answers there. Anita will have to step up and so will several others including Jonas, Cisse, and hopefully Marveaux or we will struggle all season.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@Griff: What did I write about Jews that can be construed as racist?
@Beardsleys Boots:
“You cant blame cabaye for willos abject performance against stoke”
I never blamed anyone for someone else’s poor performance. Williamson did not have any more a poor game that any of the defenders with him on the day. People blame him for the last goal, Where was Colo? Oh well it must have been Williamson’s fault Collo was out of place and not running back.
‘There are still too many long balls being played. Who’s fault is that’
Certainly not Williamson’s fault as the mob want so desperately to believe.
Pardew is the manager responsible for team selection, formation, tactics etc
Michael12(Quote)
Alan Pardew’s formation has been a source of debate in recent weeks, with Newcastle having predominantly been set up with a 4-4-2 system this season.
However, it has been the injuries and suspensions that have been more significant contributory factors to United’s indifferent domestic form.
Alan Pardew: “Whichever way you put them into a team, you’re going to be stronger whether you play 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or whatever system you want to play.
“Last year, we didn’t have those problems with the injuries.
“We were playing all sorts of systems, and no one seemed to notice then.
“Of course, when you lose games, it becomes noticable.
“I wish I could play a game after (the event), but you can’t.”
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Alan Pardew has come out and insisted that he did lay the team out as a 4-3-3 against Swansea, even though 99% of St.James’ Park and even the official NUFC website reported otherwise.
Alan Pardew;
“We played 4-3-3, we were 4-3-3, Sammy was on the left hand side and joining with Demba. I thought he did a good job.
Shola came on at half-time and upped us again. We had our best spell when the two were together”.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
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What’s going on boys.? Pards is saying he played 4-3-3 against Swansea. 😯
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy he does come of with some weird **** 😀
Big Dave(Quote)
So it looks as if Debuchy is making it clear that he won’t be coming in Jan
“I will not be leaving the team in the middle of the championship, I don’t like the Winter transfer window,”
Big Dave(Quote)
Troy-He’s cracked under the pressure I reckon 😀
Newkie(Quote)
It certainly didn’t look like 4-3-3 against Swansea most of the time. Against Stoke I wasn’t sure what the formation was supposed to be. Cisse would drop off and Anita would push forward. It’s so fluid you can’t tell what it exactly is. Are the players happy with what they’re being asked to do? Has Ranger really shown enough to have even a few minutes on the pitch? I think Fergie and even Marveaux deserve a chance before he does. Uncertainty everywhere. A break-out game with several goals scored is what we need but are we up to it?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
G2-To be fair, both have had chances this season, neither set the world alight exactly.
Newkie(Quote)
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@BD
My thoughts are, due to our lack of quality in the squad, the only time playing 4-3-3 will work is when we have our best 11 out.
Having said that, we only have 7 quality players IMO.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Debuchy not that fussed on joining us then 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Troy-which 7 are those out of interest?
Krul, Santon, Colo, Benny, Tiote/Cabaye, Cisse, Ba?
Newkie(Quote)
Agreed Newkie @114 just didn’t think there was much point to putting Ranger out there but we got ourselves into that mess with our poor defending in the last 10 minutes. The frustration levels are rising for everyone mate. So much is now dependant on what we do against Wigan. Have you any prediction for that one?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
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The 7 quality players we have are;
Krul
Colo
Tiote
Cabaye
Barfa
Cisse
Ba
I’m giving Santon the benefit of doubt as he’s developing.
Is it really any surprise we are struggling. ?
Last season looks like we over performed by some of the above playing their best football in their lives at the same time.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
I’m going to go way out on a limb and call for a 3-1 win for us against Wigan. My predictions have been pitiful this season though. 😳
GeordieTwo(Quote)
G2-You’re agreeing with yourself there mate 😆
There wasn’t much point in subbing then no, we’d thrown the game away by that point. But there was always the off chance of some fluke goal. If Ranger started scoring or somehow winning games we wouldn’t have much choice but to play him, with what we’re like now
I agree Wigan is massive. Not really sure I want to make a prediction, I was quietly optimistic about Stoke and needless to say I used some fairly colourful language when we threw that away. Let’s just say I’m going to put a tenner on Wigan on monday and if that doesn’t guarantee us a point or all three I don’t know what will 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Troy I agree and did I mention that I thought we needed a few players for the 1st team either better or able to take the shirt after they settle.
Newkie I am not surprised I said all along that he would have been fuked off with us after him and his mate Cabaye came out and publicly made themselves look stupid, but sure it was all lilles fault 😆 😆 and nowt Lambastad could have done
Big Dave(Quote)
g2-If benny was back I’d agree with you. As it is I think we’ll struggle, 2-2.
Newkie(Quote)
@107 Michael12: the term “racial discrimination” shall mean any distinction, exclusion, restriction, or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin that has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.
That is the UN definition. Your reference in post 78 to Jews being a “feasible excuse” can be interpreted as racist language. I’m not going to argue with you about it. I would apologise and delete if possible. Particularly in light of recent actions being taken regarding football-related racist language on the internet. Toonsy as host doesn’t need the grief either.
griff(Quote)
Dave-****** off with us even though he said nothing of the sort, didn’t blame us or Inter Milan or anyone else chasing him, just his own club ❓
I really hope Cabaye doesn’t have poor form now that his best mate has let him down and refused to join him at Newcastle, real heartbreaker that 😆
Newkie(Quote)
That won’t help us much Newkie @124 but you may well be right. A draw will feel like a loss at home though. I think the boos are going to start getting louder if things don’t improve soon. Big Dave what’s your feeling about the Wigan game? And how do you think it will affect Pardew’s changes if we draw or lose. I’m not sure he can survive it if we lose to be honest because of the much more difficult games ahead. Would Ashley dare bring Joe Kinnear back? Please say of course not. 😆
GeordieTwo(Quote)
To be fair to Michael, I think he was using anti-semitism hyperbole in an ironic sense due to the overreaction of people in relation to an issue.
I wouldn’t call it racist but I guess it isn’t “politically correct” although I never get what is and isn’t nowadays.
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie do you really think he is going to come out and start throwing **** about that would make him look bitter or even sillier ❓
Griff there is no need at all for the reference to Jews in his post simple
Michael @ 107 why did you feel the need to compare to Jews then ❓ do they have something to do with your post, or has someone blamed them for something ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
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@Griff
Leave off. He’s not being racist. 🙄
Troy Stavers(Quote)
At least a draw wouldn’t be a loss but I agree it would be a very poor result. I’m just not certain how the squad will react to last weeks capitulation. If we don’t take the lead within the first half the crowd will grow restless and it’ll only get easier for Wigan after that, like it did for Swansea.
Newkie(Quote)
Dave-Why not, I mean he is French after all 😆
Or wait, is that too racist 😕
😉
Newkie(Quote)
GEORDIETWO @ 127 they way we have been this season I think we will struggle, but the fact we played a bit better and Cisse scoring has give me a wee bit of hope, but maybe that just blind faith or me trying to be optimistic.
I do know and sort of understand that if we lose the calls for Pards head will grow, but the problem for me is that I honestly can’t see us getting any quality managers that would be willing to come here and work under the Regime
Big Dave(Quote)
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Without trawling through M12’s posts meticulously I only found one reference to Jews and not repeated ones like Griff implies.
Was he not just listing current issues as being excuses, ie Yids at Spurs. ?
I will stand corrected if someone points out something I’ve missed.
I won’t tolerate racism or bullying in any shape or form.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Feel the same way Big Dave. What a horrible spot to be in. We don’t really trust our own owner or MD so what does that leave us? I would agree the players have let Pardew down somewhat and we’ve had a lot of injuries but the excuses have to stop. If we can’t beat Wigan at home even with a depleted side then perhaps we deserve to go down. I don’t really believe that and would hate for it to happen but would Ashley finally then realize he needs to get out of football and take his parasite Llambias with him?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@128 Newkie: Reinforcing a racial stereotype even via anti-semitic hyperbole is not right (or indeed legal). While it may be a shame that it may not have been what was was intended, you simply can’t do it.
@130 Troy, see the explanation to Newkie. Big Dave is right. No reason to mention them. With you memory you would remember it hasn’t been the first time either.
griff(Quote)
Troy I don’t think he is being racist but I just don’t get the constant referrals to Jews
“It really can’t just be Cabaye is poor that is just inconceivable. It has to be something else, new born baby, wife pregnant again, flu, Shola, Williamson, Jews are all feasible excuses just not Cabaye is simply rubbish.”
“You could give Pardew 20 new players I can tell you it would not be his fault just bad luck, the fans not getting behind the team, injuries, the ref and Jews to blame for his poor results.”
“Other excuses many Cabaye fans put forward were: his wife just gave birth, he was out injured, Williamson, Shola and Jews!”
“All I have heard are excuses from PArdew instructed him to sit deep, Tiote is at the African cup of nations and Cabaye needs him, Just back from injury, on the .org counter part someone said Cabaye and his wife just had a baby so he is having sleepless night affecting his form To Simo, fault, Raylor fault Willo’s fault Shola and the Jews all to blame for Cabaye’s performance or lack thereof.”
“The excuses range from just back from injury, he needs Tiote who is at the cup of nations, we played a top 6 side, Williamson, Simpson, Shola and the Jews”
There is a few of them I personally don’t see the need tbh
Big Dave(Quote)
What racial stereotype is that? As far as I can see, the only stereotype he is making is that anti semetics are anti semetic? I don’t think he said anything about Jews themselves? Although I only skimmed over his comment so maybe I missed something.
Newkie(Quote)
im not racist but u cant say nowt nowadays lad might have been joking right or wrong
relax boys jesus……..or allah or buddah
screw it newcastle is our religion st james park our church our songs our hymes …. this politically correct stuff can get out of hand at times
ice pup(Quote)
Griff-unless of course, you are suggesting that a racial stereotype of the Jews is that they cause problems. In which case aren’t you being racist by suggesting that Michael is perpetuating that stereotype 😕
Or am I completely missing something.
Newkie(Quote)
See Big Dave’s post Newkie.
griff(Quote)
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@G2
It’s a good point. When you are an international footballer and join a club based on optimism that the club you are joining are ambitious, huge crowds and your manager sells the club in this manner, you sign up and give your all to reach those dreams!
You reach 5th place and qualify for Europe and fully expect the club to strengthen and look to consolidate on the efforts you and your team mates efforts.
Bang ! The club fail to invest and you are left thinking you’ve been let down!
Your instincts to rebel and not give the people who promised great things, your all, is natural.
We are not seeing **** management by Pardew IMO, its a subconscious rebellion by the players!
Troy Stavers(Quote)
well didnt see all those posts to be fair …..if thats all right then its a bit much to be honest…
nowt gets by sniper dave !
ice pup(Quote)
Oh right, fair enough. Maybe chill out eh Michael
Newkie(Quote)
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@Griff
As I said , I haven’t trawled and only saw one reference to Jews. If he has posted more than once then I agree. I stand corrected.
I’ve had a few wines and can’t be arsed to look thru all his posts!
@M12
Explain yourself in detail please. 😯 🙁
Troy Stavers(Quote)
not making excuses for this young lad but “”” family guy””” the show crack jokes like this all the time maybe just maybe he’s copying trying to have someone pick up on it????
listen iv no idea just trying to hope the lads not a plonker thats all
ice pup(Quote)
Ice Pup-You might be right mate and I don’t think he’s actually said anything about Jews that could be considered racist, but if you go on about it (which I’d never noticed) people are bound to take offense on a public forum…
Newkie(Quote)
Troy @ 142 well said and I have said things similar but have normally got an answer back along the lines of fuk them they’re pro players etc etc, to which I normally respond that 1st and fore most they are humans and sometimes it will effect them either consciously or subconsciously .
Michael lets make it clear I don’t think you mean owt bad about it but sometimes when you here things said a few times you think whats the point he’s trying to make.
For me I just don’t think you need to use it to make your point 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
here + hear 😀
Big Dave(Quote)
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I’ve quickly scrolled thru M12’s posts. He’s only made one hasn’t he? Only reference to Jews? 😯 and certainly couldn’t be described as racist.
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