Where do we go from here?

Down and out?
Down and out?
The defeat on Sunday was just absolutely not good enough for a number of reasons, however before I get into that I must say that any defeat doesn’t give people a right to act like a moron like a small minority chose to do after the game.

Having said that, I can understand why people were so annoyed. I was, and I still am, but I didn’t go around smashing my own neighbourhood up as a result.

My biggest problem is not the defeat. I can take defeat, even to Sunderland, but what I can’t take is the shocking level of performance displayed by the vast majority of those in black and white shirts. I’ve never seen a Newcastle United team so not up for a derby game and that is what has hurt me more than anything else, even the result.

Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say we were beaten by the better side. I still think we have a better team, a view echoed by pundits and press prior to the game, but if you don’t perform on the day and your opponents do then it makes things hard. Credit to Sunderland, as much as it pains me to say that.

Where do we go from here though? The Europa League has been and gone and now we’re back in the relegation mix properly, if we were indeed ever out of it. Questions need to be asked, serious questions, but they also need to wait until the end of the season. Right now we must concentrate on getting enough points on the board to avoid being relegated. That is all that matters.

From now until the end of the season I don’t care how we play. I don’t care whether it’s hoofball, longball or anything like that and neither should anyone else in the very short term. We aren’t in a position to be picky about the football being played. What we need are points on the board and pretty **** quickly,by whatever means it takes.

This season has been a disaster from start to finish and EVERYONE needs to take a portion of the blame for it. From poorly performing players to poor management, inside and outside the board room, to training techniques and maybe even our coaching set up. Let’s just limp over the line, write this one off, and then talk about things when we actually know which division we’ll be playing in next season.

As hard as it’s going to be, Sunday needs to be put behind us. We can’t feel sorry for ourselves. Our opposition won’t so we need to be up for it from minute one until the final whistle. Let’s do this.

Howay the lads!

About toonsy

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346 thoughts on “Where do we go from here?

  1. Now then Big D – hope you’re well fella.

    Re his replacement that’s for Ashley and Llambias to sort out. Many said they couldn’t get great players for small fees and they’ve proven their worth.

    Nobody will want success more than Ashley – it’s in his interest – so over to him – if he sticks – I’ll support – if he twists – I’ll support.

    Take it B&b won’t give a real opinion on this – he will just sit on the fence cheeping 😆

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  2. Solano @ 64 My comments on Shola relate to his performances now not in the past. I think most fans feel the same way.

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  3. I agree with Santii’s comments above and Pugnose @ 72.

    Ashley has brought some realism to wages of players and managers. He wanted top international talent and got it without being mugged over as we have been in the past with the likes of Michael Owen and even some of his own early purchases.

    People seem to have run with the notion that Ashley decided he wasn’t going to pay any more than £500K p.a. for a manager and only Pardew fit the bill. The way I see it, Ashley wanted Pardew as his first choice. Pardew desperately wanted the job, as most managers would, and he paid Pardew a reasonable wage, perhaps with performance related bonuses.

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  4. Stardy you know B+B too well his opinion is normally more questions, he thinks Pards has no tactics **** man managment and will get sacked or get us relegated etc etc but wants to give him longer

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  5. Steve Bruce was a dead man walking after the 5-1 demolition and should have resigned there and then as the fans were never going to forgive him. Alan Pardew could be in the same position with fans future victories might paper over the cracks. The hurt from Sunday won’t leave many easily and more poor performances will stir up memories of the disgraceful effort we witnessed.

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  6. Stardy @ 76 WTF? Never mind me not giving an opinion on this, you’ve made a very rare appearance and stolen my opinion! 😛

    Anyway, you can’t say the name of a replacement is for Ashley and Llambias to sort out. That’s what I’ve been saying for months, and Big D has continually ridiculed me for it, demanding an answer.

    Big D – Have you come good on your promise to reply to my earlier posts? I haven’t checked the earlier thread. Are they there?

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  7. B+B maybe you should have checked rather than ask
    As for ridiculed you fuk you must have thin skin if you think thats ridiculing and never once have I demanded anything of anyone on here so put your violin away and stop feeling sorry for yersel

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  8. Big D @ 79 You’ve summed up my position on Pardew in one line. I’ve always got more questions for you because your position is all over the shop and I can’t pin you down. You ridicule me for saying Pardew is not the man for the job but won’t call for him to be sacked and now I pin you down to the same position but for different reasons. Your reason being we could never get a better manager in the world whilst Ashley is here, and yet you would contemplate sacking him if he doesn’t get his finger out, but you argue for long term stability and defend Pardew at every chance. We now find out from you that Ashley is learning. I’ve been saying this all along when you were saying we would NEVER get a better manager under Ashley.

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  9. TLR I have no doubts that without results and a change in the footie the calls for his head will get louder ( but not from B+B as he wants to give him longer even though he thinks he’ll get us relegated ) But I think Pards would be the type that will ride it out unless there was no option

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  10. So to be clear B&b

    What would your call be if you were in the hot seat ?

    Mine would be – I’d sack him

    Yours would be?

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  11. B+B but the difference is that I don’t believe we would get anyone better in so I would need to be a right fuking mug to call for his head only to end up with JFK back.
    but you on the other hand told us that there is hundreds of top managers that would walk over hot coals to get the job so whats to stop you calling for his head if you know or are pretty confident of getting a top manager ??? answer on a postcard please note I said Answer not more questions

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  12. Big D – The use of verbal abuse “you fuk” just proves to me you have lost the argument.

    I see your best line is “I have covered this lots of times Why would I put pressure on them to sack Pards when I honestly believe that they would replace him with a JFK I would rather have Pards”. BECAUSE YOU DON’T THINK HE IS THE MAN FOR THE JOB. I’M ONLY ASKING YOU TO ARGUE ON HERE IN YOUR USUAL PEJORATIVE LANGUAGE “HOY, JABBA, YOU FAT C@NT, SACK PARDS AND REPLACE HIM WITH A TOP MANAGER WHO IS NOT A YES MAN”. WHY CAN’T YOU DO IT? AND HOW ON EARTH CAN YOU BE SO SURE THAT HE WOULD REPLACE HIM WITH A JFK? BESIDES, IT’S IRRELEVANT WHO YOU THINK HE MIGHT REPLACE HIM WITH. TELL EVERYONE ON THE BLOG WHO YOU THINK HE SHOULD REPLACE HIM WITH, INSTEAD OF SIMPLY SUPPORTING PARDEW.

    My skin is thick enough; I’m simply bringing it up to point out your rank hypocrisy. Given your stated position that you don’t believe Pardew’s the man, it’s hypocritical the way you mocked me relentlessly, when you were riding in tandem with Troy, for not calling for him to be sacked . I certainly haven’t ignored you as you have me recently, or run away from the blog like master Troy.

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  13. If I was chairman I would sack Pardew – but I would also ensure I got someone better.
    Because Ashley is chairman I would probably give Pardew forever. With him we at the very least are building a good squad and have stability.
    Without him – chaos and players jumping ship.
    If Pardew has us in a relegation scrap next year I would say relegation with him is better than without him. We know the board are strict with wages, yet Pardew has somehow had a hand in persuading some very talented players here.
    I just don’t think the grass is greener with Ashley at the helm. And noone has a single valid reason to think otherwise. Every even slight point made can be met with “Why not when Keegan left?” “Or Kinnear, Shearer, Hughton?” No answers have ever been brought forward.
    It’s as if people think those like me and Dave that want Pardew to stay are hugely pro-Pardew, no, we’re just anti-Kinnear/Shearer!!

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  14. @Groucho
    I think he’s matured as a player – in the past he always under performed, now he performs to his standard generally and can do a half decent job as a sub (though I want someone to push him down the pecking order), he’s set up chances for Cisse the last two games hasn’t he?
    @Axel
    We would save some money there yeah, but much of it would be countered by their higher wage demands, why do you think players run down their contracts?

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  15. Lots of good comments on here as usual. Only Ashley can answer the question of who might be a potential new manager for us. Surely he has learned something from the last 5 years. We won’t be seeing another JFK, Big Sam, Hoots, or Shearer but where he might go is a complete unknown. I think he will eventually end up with a non-English manager as the side is more and more composed of foreign players. The football in Germany and Spain is better than the Prem and with more money pouring into the Prem the over-spending will still be present. Man City, ManU and Chelsea will make sure of that. For the life of me I can’t see Pardew lasting to the end of next season but who Ashley will bring in is a complete mystery.

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  16. B+B for a start I never ignored you I just didn’t enter into any debates with you because they always end up the sameway and it’s pointless, So you show me once that I have ignored you when you have spoke to me ??
    And yeah I will make it clear to you yet again I don’t think Pards is or was the right man for the job because I strongly believe he was the only man for the job bar JFK now if you have a problem with that then tough thats your problem not mine

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  17. Stardy – I don’t know how often you dip in here, but not often enough. You seem to jump in without knowing the full facts, kick up a stir and jump out again.

    I’ve said from the start that Ashley should never have appointed Pardew because his c.v. was underwhelming to say the least. However, I support what Ashley is doing and, as he is the one whose millions are at stake, I want to support him as long as I can. I also think that, having been appointed, Pardew deserves a decent chance, even if I am almost certain he will substantially under-achieve. If I was the owner tomorrow, and it was my own money at stake, I’d want my own man in immediately. That’s what Ashley did, and I don’t blame him for it. The manager was handsomely compensated and went on to get a chance to prove himself elsewhere. I’ve just got my fingers crossed that we don’t get relegated. I really didn’t think, with the squad we have, any half wit could put us in this position. I was wrong about that.

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  18. Geordietwo maybe i am being daft but I honestly think if we didn’t have the Ba fiasco and strengthened the team in the summer as we should have and the club admitted the same I don’t think we would be anywhere near where we are now

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  19. @G2

    I can’t tell if your first sentence is sarcasm or not 😛

    I think Pardew will be given another year and i agree i think he will underachieve again. Hence why i would like him out in the Summer.

    I really hope you are right about Ashley going for an non English manager next time around as i can’t think of any that are good enough to get us where we want to be.

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  20. No bigger supporter of Ashley than me B&b – as Big D and Troy will testify I’ve supported him when not another soul did – even right through Keegan.

    I didn’t ask you about Ashley – his descision is his own.

    I asked you about you. Would you back Pardew or Sack Pardew?

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  21. Big D, you say, “B+B for a start I never ignored you I just didn’t enter into any debates with you because they always end up the sameway and it’s pointless, So you show me once that I have ignored you when you have spoke to me ??”

    I was inviting you and trying to draw you in and, in your own words, you didn’t enter into any debates with me. I don’t need to show you that you ignored me: you’ve just admitted it in your contradictory statements.

    You want examples. I gave you examples of your mocking and ridicule earlier, and look where that got me. I could have added scores more, but you just brush it all off as me being thin skinned.

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  22. B&B you’re argument with Dave remind me of a day Troy lost it with me, his nostrils were flaring, his face was red, his teeth were snarling and then he said it “You, you, you – pulled my nose”

    I couldn’t say out for laughing. Troys sausage like pointed finger wilted like a dying flower as he realised.

    Came back half an hour later howling at himself.

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  23. B+B don’t try that with me I have never delibrately ignored you if you were talking to me, so not entering a debate and ignoring you is 2 different things in my book.
    I was inviting you and trying to draw you in ?? could you not just have said my name then it would be clear or were you playing some silly game ?

    and maybe you could answer my question before that BIG DAVE
    April 16, 2013 at 22:51 (Edit)
    B+B The use of verbal abuse “you fuk” where did I say that ??

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  24. If I was a chairman and a billionaire I would offer mourinho 25mil a year and give him 200mil pocket money for the summer. Unfortunately we’re stuck with our glorious leader.

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  25. Stardy – The reason I mentioned Ashley is your questions included: “What would your call be if you were in the hot seat ?” I answered that. If I was in the hot seat, I’d sack him and put my own man in because I wouldn’t give that man a penny of my money.

    I’m not in the hot seat, however. Ashley is and I support what he is doing, even if I disagree with every aspect.

    BIG D HATES “JABBA”. BUT WOULD HE WANT TO GET RID OF HIM AND CALL FOR HIM TO GO? HE IS THE REASON WE CAN’T GET A BETTER MANAGER THAN PARDEW. IF HE DOES WANT RID, HE SHOULD REALLY CALL FOR IT AND NAME NAMES OF THE REPLACEMENT HE WANTS. HE IS STRANGELY QUIET ON THAT TOO. PERHAPS HE THINKS WE CAN GET NO ONE BETTER AND CAN’T NAME NAMES?

    I’ve asked Big D these questions before, Stardy. Do you know what he”ll say?

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  26. Right thats me outta here so I will check tomorrow to see if there is out to respond to and maybe B+B will show me where I verbally abused him or anyone else

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  27. BIG D – You ask me where you said “you fuk”!

    Look at your post @ 84. You will find “As for ridiculed you fuk you must have thin skin …”

    It really is hard work spoon feeding you! You really should have followed your withering advice to me @ 84 or have you forgotten that too, even though it was only a few minutes ago:

    “B+B maybe you should have checked rather than ask”

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  28. I haven’t followed your debate with him, to be fair to Dave though when I have read your argument – Dave usually wins 😆

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  29. Haha B&B
    That is clearly “as for ridiculed you, fuk you must have thin skin” 😆

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  30. B+B @ 84 that was obvious that was a mistake and I put in and extra you and should have read “as for ridiculed you” fuk you must have thin skin which isn’t me verbally abusing you, and you know that. I can assure you if I wanted to abuse you you would know for sure, but as most on here will know thats not my thing.
    So don’t try to deflect things on to me to try to make yourself look clever because as far as I can see it’s not working and it’s actually showing yourself up to most on here as being a bit of a jelly fish, that won’t say it how it is, or give a straight forward answer
    Oh and you’ll need to check your keyboard as your caps lock button seems to be sticking again

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  31. Stardy @ 105 – I aint it lost it, fella. You’d have seen that if my emoticons hadn’t taken the huff. I love my razz.

    As for Troy, he took the huff on this blog and clearly won’t come back under his name. Toonsy made him take down his ridiculous disclaimer and he couldn’t take the public humiliation. Neither can he take the humilation of answering the questions I’ve left for him in an open letter to him. I would speak to him tomorrow if he would address that letter. The fact is he can’t answer it without looking ridiculous. I’ve no doubt he’s told you only half the story, his half, or else you wouldn’t be so supportive of his disgraceful antics. You haven’t heard my side of it so I don’t know how you can comment. Of all people, I’m surprised you don’t appreciate there are two sides to every argument.

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  32. Big D – Really! That denial and that caps lock jibe proves to me … RAZZ if you want me to give you the benefit of the doubt, I’m happy to do so. I’d hope you’d do the same.

    Dave name me one question I haven’t answered. Go on then. Name one! If you’re right, name one.

    Now look @ 110. Can’t you answer those?

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  33. Well B+B before I go are you going to have the guts to admit that I wasn’t verbally abusing you as you, ST and others know that I wasn’t abusing you ?

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  34. I’ll answer those when you start to clear up the questions I and others have been waiting on you to answer, like it shouldn’t be hard to name one example of a top manager out of hundreds that would walk over hot coals, or to answer if you would sack Pards or keep him or from the last thread “All Dave has got to do to have any credibility” credibility from who ??
    I’m waiting but please keep it short

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  35. B&b – seriously don’t care what the fall out with Troy was about – I do know its not worth falling out about as I’ve said before.

    The blogs about banter, characters and opinions. What goes on on the blog should stay on the blog

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  36. “don’t … try to make yourself look clever because as far as I can see it’s not working and it’s actually showing yourself up to most on here as being a bit of a jelly fish” That remark proves to me you’ve lost the argument, Dave. I’ll let others decide who the jelly fish is because, unlike you, I wouldn’t presume to know their minds on it.

    So Dave, would you call for “Jabba”, the “Fat C@nt” as you call him, to be get out of our club, given your hatred of him and his appointment of a manager who is, in your opinion, not the man for the job? After all, the reason you won’t call for Pardew to be sacked is that the club could never attract a better manager in the world than Pardew whilst Jabba is here.

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  37. Man for man our team are better than Arsenal’s, yet they are fighting for 2/3 whilst we struggle for PL survival. People criticise Wenger, me included, but he consistently gets his team fighting with the big spenders and when you actually look at their players they’re pretty ****. It is the manager and coaches who have a game plan that works, Pardew says he’s modelling the club on them but he’s no Wenger.

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  38. Cannot believe after thirty years of sacking managers after one bad season and winning fck all, some people have learnt nothing! He needs to be given the opportunity to put things right next season. Last season he massively over achieved, this season his team is struggling – he deserves more time.

    A new manager will come, want different players, change everything and the players will again need to change their mind set.

    If Mourinho came available and said I want to manage NUFC then fair enough but in reality I have no idea who would be a better option so we need to stay with Pardew – at least for one more season.

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  39. Stardy – You’re right, you shouldn’t have a hissy fit about blog comments as he did.

    As I’ve said, and have always said, I’d speak to him immediately if he’d be man enough to answer the questions I’ve put to him and for all to see. I’d love his sidekick, who is all too ready to bandy the “jelly fish” tag on here, to do the same, but I don’t hold out much hope. Of course, now I’ve called him “sidekick”, he will say “that proves to me you have lost the argument” and use it as an excuse to avoid the questions. I’ve got loads for him too.

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  40. Stardy – For someone who doesn’t care about it, you certainly had plenty to say and took his side.

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  41. Stuart – How long do you think a manager needs before he can say “this is now my team, playing my way”? How long would you say a manager needs to put his stamp on it?

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  42. B&B I don’t need to presume on what others think on it I know a few likeminded bloggers and how they feel 😉 . So who do I need credibility from B+B

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  43. B&B – I think Pardew can claim this to be his team, no doubt about that, but this season there has been some mitigating circumstances. We’ve had really quite a dreadful injury list and he clearly wasnt helped in the summer with the lack of transfer activity – a huge mistake which DL has already admitted.

    But even the best managers have bad seasons. A few years ago Man Utd finished 3rd – that was a bad season for them – it happens. Everton are a perfect example. It took Moyes a few seasons of inconsistency to get more consistent.

    I think what he achieved last season gives him the right to expect next season.

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  44. I remember when all the scum fans were calling for Bruce to be sacked, they got their wish and the replaced him with a ‘better’ manager in Martin O’Neil. After some intial success, he too was sacked and was replaced by Paulo. Then after some intial success Paulo was………….
    Sounds very similar to our plight.

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  45. @Stuart

    Do you really truly think Pardew is as good or ever will be as good a manager as David Moyes?

    @AMF

    So we shouldn’t try to change things in case we fail again? So we should just continue to fail because at least its stable failure 😀

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  46. Santii – We’ll never know if we sack him. Moyes had a dreadful second season at Everton off memory – fans calling for his head, funnily enough the same as Fergie.

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  47. “Mark I don’t think he knows what he wants, I have no problem with the lads that have came out and said he should be sacked because thats their opinion but B+B has been running the Hate Pards campaign from last yr but still wants him in the job”

    THIS FROM THE MAN WHO GOES OUT OF HIS WAY TO DEFEND PARDEW WHENEVER HE CAN, BUT WHO HAS ADMITTED TODAY THAT HE IS NOT THE MAN FOR THE JOB – BUT HE STILL WANTS HIM IN THE JOB!

    THIS FROM THE MAN WHO CALLS ASHLEY “JABBA” “THE FAT C@NT” AND WHO HE HATES FOR TREATING MANAGERS, PLAYERS, AND FANS LIKE DIRT SUCH THAT WE WILL NEVER GET A BETTER MANAGER THAN PARDEW, BUT WHO NEVER CALLS FOR ASHLEY TO GET OUT OF OUR CLUB.

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  48. Dave @ 128 It’s no wonder you prefer to concentrate on petty little points rather than answer the big questions. Rich from someone who accuses me of answering questions with questions. Do you want Ashley out of our club or not? yes or no?

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  49. Take ya cap locks off B&B, it doesn’t make a point any more relevant or correct. FACT!

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  50. Stuart – Yeah, but how long do you think a manager needs before he can say “this is now my team, playing my way”? How long would you say a manager needs to put his stamp on it?

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  51. @Stuart

    The biggest difference between the comparisons you make. Moyes and Ferguson had 2 really **** teams.

    Pardew has a team littered with international stars and is on course to getting us relegated incredibly. He has to go for us to progress imo. playing not to lose isn’t going to get us back up the table anytime soon.

    I do think he will be given another season though (sadly:D) and we will have to watch this dire football for another year.

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  52. @Stu 129
    It’s a good point – a huge number of fans said in the summer that we would seriously struggle because we didn’t strengthen, injuries have made things worse. No doubt Pardew hasn’t impressed this season, but it seems many that expected this are now also calling for his head.
    Football eh – if we’d scored when we were on top against Benfica, and Cisse’s goal hadn’t been disallowed on Sunday, how different would the discussions have been this last couple of days.

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  53. @ST

    If Sunderland had got their two valid penalty appeals awarded how different would it be.

    If Pardew had set up to attack from the start of the game against Benfica and not after 70 minutes how different would things be.

    If we hadn’t of got alot of that luck last season how different would things be?

    What ifs work both ways ST 😀

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  54. Dave says, “I’ll answer those when you start to clear up the questions I and others have been waiting on you to answer, like it shouldn’t be hard to name one example of a top manager out of hundreds that would walk over hot coals, …”

    Slippery or what? I’ve answered that question ad nauseum. Besides, what difference does it make if I can’t or won’t answer it? Other s have not answered it for the same reason. It’s like me saying we can get better electrics in our house. You saying, well go on then show me how you do it. And me saying that’s not my expertise. I’m not an electrician but I know someone who is. What the F difference does it make if I can’t or won’t do it? What point will you prove.

    Even you would sack Pardew if Ashley would appoint the man you want. SO IF ASHLEY WOULD GRANT YOU YOUR WISH, WHO IS THE MAN YOU WANT? YOU’RE HAPPY THAT I’VE DODGED IT. SHOW EVERYBODY THAT YOU WON’T. Who do you want Ashley to appoint, regardless of whether he’d listen?

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  55. Aussie – OKAY COBBER.

    I just want to emphasise the questions so that Dave doesn’t try to slip them. It’s a pain trawling back through to pick them out again and try to pin him down. At least if they’re in blocks I can esily jump to them. It also helps distinguish his words from mine.

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  56. Big D, the last time you didn’t answer a question was to do with the Sports Direct advertising and I’m still waiting for that: “The flaw in your argument is that you can’t explain why Mikey doesn’t insist on SD paying in full given that he wholly owns NUFC but is only a majority shareholder in SD. Are you suggesting he’s diddling himself?”

    I’m waiting ….

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  57. Aussie – How come your winker man’s working? Are you getting a special service down there? Is the Telstar overhead?

    Anyhoo, I’m away to bed. It’s tiring work all this trawling back trying to pin Dave doon. RAZZ!

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  58. 😯 don’t know B&B 😎 😉 :mrgreen: 😆 🙂 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛 😛

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  59. Leonardo said: “The market is opening up. We may look in Spain or England. The idea of seeing the great French players here is something I like. I’m not necessarily talking about [Karim] Benzema, but maybe [Samir] Nasri, [Franck] Ribéry or [Yohan] Cabaye. But I do not know if it is feasible and I have not had contact with any of them.”

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  60. david moyes…. is the man to take NUFC forward as he is proven to get quality players for cheap and can challenge 4 with small transfer kit.
    he is running his contract down as well.. good to see him at st james park

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  61. Newkie,
    I disagree re Moyes. I think they play some brilliant football to watch.

    Also, not only has he found quality players on the cheap, but they are English too.

    He gets the best out of his players and gets them to play as a team.

    He may not have won anything. But he’s constantly up there and often progresses far in the cups.

    He’s on no bigger budget than Pards is yet gets results

    If we could replicate Evertons success, even without winning anything for the next five years, I’d be delighted.

    Also, take the big names out and Pards is on a decent to average pay packet. Remember he gets add ons for performance.

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