Having said that, I can understand why people were so annoyed. I was, and I still am, but I didn’t go around smashing my own neighbourhood up as a result.
My biggest problem is not the defeat. I can take defeat, even to Sunderland, but what I can’t take is the shocking level of performance displayed by the vast majority of those in black and white shirts. I’ve never seen a Newcastle United team so not up for a derby game and that is what has hurt me more than anything else, even the result.
Sometimes you just have to hold your hands up and say we were beaten by the better side. I still think we have a better team, a view echoed by pundits and press prior to the game, but if you don’t perform on the day and your opponents do then it makes things hard. Credit to Sunderland, as much as it pains me to say that.
Where do we go from here though? The Europa League has been and gone and now we’re back in the relegation mix properly, if we were indeed ever out of it. Questions need to be asked, serious questions, but they also need to wait until the end of the season. Right now we must concentrate on getting enough points on the board to avoid being relegated. That is all that matters.
From now until the end of the season I don’t care how we play. I don’t care whether it’s hoofball, longball or anything like that and neither should anyone else in the very short term. We aren’t in a position to be picky about the football being played. What we need are points on the board and pretty **** quickly,by whatever means it takes.
This season has been a disaster from start to finish and EVERYONE needs to take a portion of the blame for it. From poorly performing players to poor management, inside and outside the board room, to training techniques and maybe even our coaching set up. Let’s just limp over the line, write this one off, and then talk about things when we actually know which division we’ll be playing in next season.
As hard as it’s going to be, Sunday needs to be put behind us. We can’t feel sorry for ourselves. Our opposition won’t so we need to be up for it from minute one until the final whistle. Let’s do this.
Howay the lads!
JJ – No way would Moyes even think about managing up here. He wouldn’t be given the chance to build anything. One bad season and people would be after his head – hardly conducive to building a successful, sound football club is it now?
Stuart79(Quote)
MTM @ 148 we need the young David Moyes, the hungry Arsene Wenger, the next SAF, the next Brian Clough. We need a specialist head hunter. Dave cannot get his head around the fact that it’s not about someone like me who doesn’t follow the managerial scene to shout a few names off the cuff. If I don’t give him a name, I’ve dodged the question and lost all credibility. If he could get his head around it, he wouldn’t keep asking me the same old boring question that I’ve answered 100 times. Dave says Pardew’s not the man for the job so I’m waiting for him to tell us who is.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Stuart – How long do you think a manager needs before he can say “this is now my team, playing my way”? How long would you say a manager needs to put his stamp on it?
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Stuart,
I don’t think Moyes would leave Everton for a team on the same par in terms of potential. I never suggested him as a candidate.
Newkie was referring to a list I made of who I felt where the best managers in the Premier League.
I ranked Moyes at third on the list.
JJ(Quote)
Stuart,
I’m all for giving a manager time, but surely there should be some glimmer of hope.
A few decent performances, some decent football, a bit of encouragement from set pieces. Players that are coming through and developing, improving.
All I’m seeing is deteriation.
I would have considered 10th to 14th disappointing but acceptable. I would have been happy with top eight. But we are in serious danger of relegation and most would now be delighted with 16th/17th.
For me that just isn’t good enough.
Its not just results. Its coaching, man management, set pieces, coaching, team play (fluidity), team workrate, defensive structure, substitutions.
We play as 11 individuals on the pitch..
He has failed in every way this season. So surely after two years we should be seeing signs of what his game plan is… where he wants to take this team.
However, all I’m seeing is him taking us nowhere or down.
Even if he pulls things together slightly, I don’t see us doing much better than 9th, 10th.
JJ(Quote)
JJ you hit the nail on the head. I’m all for stability but the one thing i value more is premiership status. This truly has been a season to forget. Come the end of the season, i can’t think of one plus point to take away. The only one being we managed to survive and currently that is a big IF.
The squad in truth has been an embarrassment. Not one player seems to have performed to an expected standard and a huge proportion lies with the manager and coaching.
When Sissoko and Gouffran came in they were a breath of fresh air. A couple of months under Pardew and they look like headless chickens.
Personally, i do like Pardew, he seems like a decent enough bloke and does seem like he genuinely care for the club, but NUFC is not a charity and the simple cold hard truth is he is not good enough to take us forward. For a professional manager i don’t think i’ve ever heard so many apologies and excuses in a single season.
If we are to continue this blueprint of buying from the continent, we need a management and coaching staff who’s experience goes beyond the boundaries of Gateshead. Love the fact that we have the likes of Carv’s, Beardo and Stone all at the club, but what experience do these guys have of coaching players from the continent??
Even the youngsters coming through – Adam Campbell is meant to be the next best thing since sliced bread. I’ve followed this lad for a couple of years and he’s been talked about very positively, but when i’ve actually seen him in the first team, he looks completely lost and under the current regime i’m concerned he’s being coached out of his potential.
Bottom line as fans you want the best. No one is happy to support a team that scrape’s relegation, you want it to strive and make positive steps. All the hard work of last year seems completely undone, and under the current management and coach staff i don’t see it improving.
southerngeordie(Quote)
Southern Geordie,
Vuckic, Kadar, Campbell, Airey, etc… All these top young talents we have been buying for the last three years… None of them seem to haev improved in the slightest. The only one is Krul, and he’s a goal keeper.
Gouffran’s movement was brilliant when he first arrived. He reminded me of Bellamy under Robson. Now, one month under Pards, he reminds me of Obertan. Why must he defend so deep, when he can defend and press high up the pitch.
Why must we always play with three defensive midfielder? Even against inferior teams at home? Why do we sit so deep? No wonder Colo complained about his tactics, he puts the defence under constant pressure and leaves nobody up front for an outlet besides an isolated Cisse whose confidence he destroyed for half the seaon.
I also don’t think he is a bad man. He does seem to care about his players and the club, but agree, that means nothing if you simply arn’t good enough for the job at hand.
His favourite post match quote is….
“TO BE HONEST… IN HIND SIGHT I SHOULD HAVE….”
Wow, doesn’t that inspire confidence. I don’t think he believes in himself, so why should we or the players believe in him?
JJ(Quote)
B&B you really need to calm down and chill a bit it seems as if things are eating you up, and it surely can’t be good for your health 😆
Plus do you never get tired of coming of with the same old stuff 😆 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
Whole thing is very depressing and all the signs suggest, nothing will change. According to The Journal, it’s going to be a case of backing not sacking the manager in the summer with two forwards coming in a some of the fringe players moving on. Again, it looks set to be another will he won’t he Carroll saga.
Personally, i’m a supporter of Ashley. I like the blueprint he has in place and i think he does seem to be getting his love back for NUFC – this was evident by his backing in the transfer window. Yes it should of happened in the summer but what’s done is done and her certainly made up for things in January. If he does back Pards, there will be nowhere to hide if it does go tits up.
Like Steve Bruce after we mauled them 5-1, Pardew will not recover from the loss at the weekend, that is fact. For me even if he survives the end of the season, i’d be surprised if he’s still here come Christmas.
southerngeordie(Quote)
JJ – perfectly put fella – that’s how I see it too. I also agree with Stuart re the stability angle but there are two ways stability can go. If you have the right manager you go steadily upwards, choose the wrong one and its a downward spiral.
I think Pardew has shown himself to be the latter. Never before have I saw a manager coach a set of such players from individual brilliance to such nothingness.
Stardust(Quote)
Big D – looks like B&B has a man crush to me
Stardust(Quote)
JJ I don’t know the reason but I do know Goofy looked a far better player in his 1st few games, as did Sissoko they were causing allsorts of problems but not now, I do think through sheer fear of getting beat Pards maybe has them back defending far too much but its not working so he should try letting the attacking and flair players do what they do best, and let the other teams worry about us instead of us worrying about them.
Big Dave(Quote)
Funny this with the B&B and Big Dave argument, is that their arguments are basically identical.
Neither think Pards is the man for the job. But neither are willing to say they want him sacked…
Dave because we won’t get anyone better under this regime and B&B because he things Pards should get another season to prove he can improve.
Yet, this has been going on for about four months now. 😆
JJ(Quote)
Stardy I think he loves the attention maybe it makes him feel special 😀
Big Dave(Quote)
Stuart@124-We have disagreed almost constantly over the years if memory serves, but you are bang on with that. I’ll let others talk today as I need to do some work.
Newkie(Quote)
Dave,
Do you think that perhaps Pardew has become obsessed with tactics, and is now so obsessed with analyzing our opponents strengths and countering them, that he has neglected our own attacking and technical strengths by forcing our flare players to drop too deep where they can’t be effective.
At first I thought it was because he didn’t trust our defence with he likes of Willo and Simmo there and he was trying to protect them.
But he hasn’t changes. He always has two defensive midfielders sitting deep and he gets our wingers to drop and help the fullbacks despite the 4-3-3 formation.
He is trying so desperately to stop leaking goals, that he ends up putting the defence under even more pressure because there is simply no outlet from the back.
For me, the best form of defence is attack. He is concentrating so much on defensive strategies that he isn’t allowing our talented players to do what they do best, in an area of the field where they can be most dangerous. His tactics simply don’t allow them to play and be creative.
It looks like he desperately wants to play a counter attacking game… which is fine against the top teams, and we do ok against them.
But when we have the players to dominate other average teams in midfield, why does he STILL employ the same tactics? It makes no sense to me and just seems negative.
JJ(Quote)
#flair players 😳
JJ(Quote)
IF and its a big IF. Pardew completely changes his though process to allow our forward players to be more expressive and play higher up the pitch AND brings in one or two continental coaches to assist him.
Then fair enough. I’d be happy to give him another season.
If this doesn’t happen. We’d only be wasting our time.
JJ(Quote)
who here thought moyes was a good manager after two seasons at everton, where he had fallen out with players and had narrowly avoided relegation? Where were the voices who wanted Bobby sacked and replaced with Moyes? Moyes is a good manager because he has proven himself over many years. Apparently Pardew is **** because he’s had one good year and one bad.
Newkie(Quote)
JJ but a big difference is that I don’t think Pards will get us relegated and I do think he is a mid table man, but I want more. Ok he isn’t showing that this season but I firmly believe that the Ba fiasco and the lack of.summer signings have snowballed this yr.
But B&B firmly believes that Pards is ***** and will get us relegated, do you not see a big difference in that ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
JJ a few good points made there, but I think part of the problem with Pards doesn’t know what to do in our case as in the past he has been fired before he had the chance to get a team outta the ****, so he doesn’t have the experience to really know wwhat to do, so keeps going back to trying to get out of it by defending but its not working.
Big Dave(Quote)
Big D – I like that dodge tactic. And, of course, it helps if you keep refreshing the page until your your smilies work.
I’m waiting for answers Dave …you slippery fellow
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Dave,
I also don’t think we will go down, and I do think that it’s likely we’ll finish slightly higher next season, but only because its going to be difficult for him to get more wrong than he got wrong this season.
But again, for me I want more than mid table.
Newkie,
I think Moyes’ turnaround at Everton came when they sold Wayne Rooney and he was finally given a bit of funds to put the team in place that he wanted.
He is undoubtedly the man who runs things at Everton in every regard.
I don’t think Pardew has that much influence. Its not his fault, but because of the system we have in place as a club, I think we are better suited to employing a manager who is a quality coach above all things.
It doesn’t seem like Pardew excels in this area.
JJ(Quote)
Shut up, pugnose!
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Can I assume last season when it was all going well it was all down to the players but this year when it’s going wrong it’s down to the manager?
Stuart79(Quote)
Of course you can Stuart. lets ignore the fact that with hindsight (in my case and the clubs) our squad was not big enough to cope with the added demands of Europe. Lets ignore the pre christmas injury crisis, the new players don’t need time to settle in or are inconsistent whilst they do. Forget about any successes or tactical nous displayed with us or the passion he shows for the club. Forget the support from the players or the respect from his peers. He’s *****. lets get rid and replace with some unknown foreign coach who may be half decent.
premandup(Quote)
Dave,
What I don’t get is the B&B thinks Pards is **** but doesn’t think he should be sacked. ❓ 😆
JJ(Quote)
Stuart @124
Spot on my thoughts exactly.
Id like to see the club bring in more people to work alongside the current staff, They obviously have ability in some areas. Last season was one of the most organised teams ive seen in black and white. But the set piece situation and the lack of improvement in younger lads is worrying.
Id like to see Nobby Solano back at the club, He has done his badges, Coached at Hull, Leicester and Hartlepool and had a decent first effort at management in peru where he led his team from the relegation zone to the top half of the table. Hes back living in the north east and I reckon hed be more than useful arranging set pieces and working on the lads delivery from dead balls.
Id also like to see a talented coach working individually with players. Pardew tried to bring Peter Taylor to SJP when he first arrived, He is out of work now (Apart from running England U20s in the summer) and imo would work wonders with certain younger players who have gone back over this season like Sammy and Abeid…
CC(Quote)
Stu that seems to be a common thought with some if we win its the players get the credit , if we lose its Pards gets the blame,
Right catch you’s later
Big Dave(Quote)
Stuart,
Not at all. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again…
I think Pardew has the ability to ride the highs. When they team is in high spirits he revels in it… We did over perform last season and the manager did well. Based on an excellent defence and two strikers that couldn’t stop scoring goals out of nothing.
However, when it goes tits up and the opposition work us out. He doesn’t seem to have the ability to get things to turn around. He doesn’t seem to have a plan B.
Instead of coming up with new ways in which the team can win. He seems to have got more defensive and now tries to come up with new ways for the team to “not lose” – which is not working.
He seems lost. The players seem lost. He makes comments that make things worse. His attitude is adopted by the team. Its a disaster.
The only argument is… does he have the ability to turn it around.
I say no… others say yes. Well… we are going to find out because he is not going to be sacked. So lets see…
IF he changes his approach and gets a bit more help, then yes, he can turn things around. But I just hope he isn’t too stubborn and too proud to do this. I’m not seeing any signs of it of yet.
The only time we seem to actual go out to win a game is in the final 15 minutes. Hence all the injury time goals. IMO, epecially at home we should attack from the off.
JJ(Quote)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2013/apr/16/nbc-premier-league-match-of-the-day
interesting article about NBC’s plans for covering the Prem, including this –
‘On Monday nights, NBCSN will present a two-hour show featuring cut-down versions of the Manchester United and Manchester City matches. On Tuesdays, a two-hour program will feature the Chelsea, Liverpool, Arsenal, and Tottenham matches.’
M(Quote)
JJ – Last season wasn’t a piece of cake was it? There were games that weren’t going for us but we still managed to win.
I really cannot believe after just one season, a season that has been ruined by injuries people think a manager should be sacked.
No wonder we win fck all!
Stuart79(Quote)
Bottom line in all of these debates is Pardew’s team have been ***** all season. All season. 33 games, 17 defeats.
georgio(Quote)
Georgio, our last 37 games we’ve had 19 defeats and 6 draws.
Stuart, there are teams that have won trophies that have changed managers.
Aston Villa, Liverpool, Leicester City, Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Blackburn Rovers, Middlesbrough, Birmingham City, Swansea City, Portsmouth, Everton,.
They’ve all won trophies in the last 20 years. Yet they’ve all chopped and changed managers.
The only exception is Everton who have stuck with Moyes for the past 10 years. Yet they have won NOTHING under him.
They’ve been consistently good which is great. But my point is that stability means sweet F all when it comes to winning trophies.
The only two that have been consistant and won things are Fergie and Wenger. Wenger who himself hasn’t won anything in seven years and Pardew isn’t and never will be in the same league as these two.
Swansea have seen Martinez go, Rodgers go, and Laudrup come in, yet they have continued to improve. They have continued to grow.
Why? Because they have got the right men in for the job.
We have taken a huge step backwards over the last 12 months.
If you think that stability alone is going to win us trophies, you are wrong.
JJ(Quote)
Funny enough the one manager who I liked the most since Sir Bobby was Glen Roeder. If I was willing to give anyone time it would have been him.
I think if Allardyce wasn’t sacked we would never have been relegated the following season. I think he’d have got us mid table. But no better.
In fact, I think Pardew and Allardyce are similar in some ways.
The problem however, was never sacking the manager. It was getting someone in to replace him who was no better or worse. Which is where Big Dave’s fears come from.
I’m not saying sack him for the sake of sacking him. I’m saying if there is someone better out there, then get him in. IMO, there is someone better out there.
JJ(Quote)
What’s the point in stability when the bloke providing it is completely bang average at his job, its ridiculous suggesting we stick with him in the hope that in 10 years time he may have learnt enough to bring us a trophy. We’ll end up doing more damage through our insistence to prove we’re not a club that sacks managers on a whim, if he’s not the right man for the job then he should go, regardless of how managers we’ve been through in the last 5 years. He needs to go in the summer, without a doubt. Its either him or the players, that’s the way I see it.
I like Pardew and I’ll admit to feeling proud at times that he’s our manager, all the fist pumping and crowd surfing and general admiration for the club and city has really made we warm to him. However, this is not enough, him and his coaching team are completely out of their depth and need replacing in the summer.
evans(Quote)
JJ-Yup, Roeder shouldn’t have gone, he did pretty well considering. But alas this is our club culture. I always hated Allardyce though so was glad for him to leave, the same way some feel about Pardew I guess, but for me the mistake was not only sacking him but appointing Keegan…it’s not about Keegan’s ability, its about his nature. It would never have worked and all parties should have known better.
Newkie(Quote)
@184-as Wigan have failed to grow then, does that mean Martinez is not the right man for the job? Or that he is a poor manager?
Newkie(Quote)
JJ – I think you need re-access your list of clubs. Not one of them have chopped and changed managers as much as us. In fact the opposite – most of them clubs you have mentioned have a history of sticking with managers through the bad times… Chelsea are an obvious exception however they have spent nearly £1b so they will win things.
Stuart79(Quote)
Newkie,
Wigan are the smallest club is the league, both in terms of infrastructure and finances. The difference is that if Pardew managed them I think they would have been relegated long ago.
I don’t think Martinez is as great as some make out, but I do think he is a better manager than Pardew.
There mere fact that we are even comparing ourselves to clubs like Wigan shows how far we have fallen and how low our expectations have dropped.
JJ(Quote)
So Wigan are smaller than Swansea, despite being in the PL for 7 years and already having been taken there and stabilised by average managers. Interesting.
Newkie(Quote)
I wouldnt want us to replicate Leicester, portsmouth, middlesbrough, birmingham and blackburn. A fluke succes or two followed by lower league mediocrity.
Everton havent won a trophy under moyes but id much rather us be consistantly challenging for european football at the right end of the table with a much higher financial glass ceiling than Everton than be flash in the pan cup winner…
CC(Quote)
Last year we compared ourselves to Chelsea arsenal and Spurs, it is a sign of the season we are having. A natural reaction. Although I made no connection between us, i mentioned them in a footballing perspective as a whole.
Newkie(Quote)
Stuart, most of them had had seven or more managers in the past 10 years.
JJ(Quote)
Newkie,
I’d say Swansea and Wigan are of very similar stature.
You also can’t go back to seven years and say that makes them a bigger club. Seven years ago Martin O’Neil and Steve Bruce were touted as two of the best managers in the English League.
It was suggested either could take over from Sir Alex Ferguson.
So basically it means nothing. What matters is now…
Seven years ago we’d never be discussing keeping a manager that had got us very near relegation with a month of the season to go.
We’d be sacking a manager for getting us 12th. Because our expectations were high.
Not only that, but on paper our squad is stronger than it has been since Sir Bobbies days. So expectations should be even higher.
If Pardew had got us a top ten finish I’d have been happy for him to stay and prove himself for another season. But he has been aweful. Beyond aweful.
Do you think Man United would keep Fergie if they finished in 8th next season? Would Arsenal keep Wenger if they failed to qualify for Europe? I doubt it…. History means nothing.
Our target was top 10… He in all likelihood wont get us in the top 15.
Its a disgraceful performance.
If he keeps his job, he should kiss Ashley’s in thanks because no other club of our stature and potential would have accepted that position.
JJ(Quote)
Just to make things clear.
I was never happy when we sacked a manager for slightly underachieving.
I was angry when Robson was sacked, Roeder especially because I liked the football he had us playing. I wanted stability because I saw potential.
I guess you are right. My sentiments re Pardew now, are perhaps how you felt about Big Sam. Its all personal.
At the end of the day. We don’t make the decisions, so its just opinion and debate.
JJ(Quote)
Newkie,
I think and thought last season that Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal were always a class above. The only way we were going to bridge that gap was if we qualified for the Champions League.
But I will still compare us to Everton and Liverpool. I think as a club we should be competing in a mini league with them for a top eight finish each season.
We aren’t. We are struggling with the likes of Wigan and Reading.
Is 8th position and a little FA Cup run too much expectation?
Under Pardew I don’t think we’ve got past two rounds in a domestic cup, yet people think we can win something under him?
JJ(Quote)
@JJ
Are you saying you didn’t predict us to struggle at the start of this season?
Would you rather we had Kinnear or Shearer? You are missing the point completely – history suggests we won’t get someone better – we will just disrupt the club.
OBVIOUSLY if we could get a manager every single fan would want to.
Scenario:
Come the end of the season fan pressure drives Pardew to retire.
Do you, hand on heart, think the board will hire someone better than Pardew?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@JJ
Actually if Arsenal didn’t qualify for the CL I can guarantee they wouldn’t sack Wenger. Similarly to ourselves – with the constraints they put on him – they wouldn’t get someone better.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
No, I can go back because it proves a point and is relevent. Those two managers as well, they prove my point that most people don’t have a bloody clue what they’re talking about and jump on managerial bandwagons for the sake of it.
We sacked good managers and paid the price for it, I would have hoped we as a club had learned our lesson-not that pards is in the same league as SBR, but the principle is the same. We are basically your analogy of Pardew, we ride with it in the good times, laughing at sunderland and the other clubs, patting ourselves on our backs when the transfers work out, pointing fingers and shouting or spitting out the dummy when they don’t.
Now you are comparing us to manu and arsenal..they wouldn’t dream of sacking Fergie, whether he would walk or not who knows, but a simple 8th place finish has no bearing on what could have happened during the season. As for Arsenal, well, Wenger apparently has money to spend but won’t spend it, that’s their gripe. I’m not an Arsenal fan so I can’t see it from their point of view, but as they still see themselves a top 2 side they might well want rid. Would the owners get rid? Not so sure again, he has made them all minted after all.
Newkie(Quote)
just been checking a number sites on pardew,the ave is 81% of fans want to replace pardew at seasons end,just thought i would throw that in
icedog(Quote)
Pardew’s points total last year was only bettered by two of Sir Bobby’s league totals.
We were a side only a year back in the top flight, having restructured our entire team, “without a 20 goal a year striker”, the “terrible” Simpson, Williamson, Raylor, Jonas starting the majority of the season, only missing out on CL on the final day – in a league that is much more competitive than in Sir Bobby’s day, how much has his net spend been since he’s been here?
Keegan broke the bloody world record!!
Sir Bobby wasn’t exactly dealing with thrift was he!
Anyone that denies Pardew his credit for last season, even if the football wasn’t fantastic, is a complete and utter tool.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano,
Yes, I do believe the board would replace Pardew with someone better this time around. Otherwise I wouldn’t want him gone…
Of course I don’t want Shearer back. Or Kinnear. But quite honestly I wasn’t elated with Pardew. At the time I had the exact same sentiments that you do.
Why are people complaining with his appointment? There is no way we could attract anyone better.
I think the board have improved. I think they have more respect from the fans. They aren’t under anywhere near as much pressure as they were before when no manager would even consider working under them.
I think that if they had to make an appointment this time around. It would be a decent one. I also think we have a squad that would excite many manager and that they’d love to work with.
What everyone that doesn’t want Pardew sacked seems to have in common, is that they don’t think he is good enough, but that they are petrified that we won’t get anyone better… so why bother.
Perhaps I’m the optimist for once in believing that the club would attract a good manager for the first time in years.
JJ(Quote)
JJ@197-Can’t write too much but agree re we should be aiming liverpool/everton, as for the cups, we’ve bee shocking domestically, but was Europa so bad? We lost because of individual errors, if the tie had been 1-1 we would have put it to bed imo. And then? When Spurs beat us Bale was the only difference between us, I would say that was a widely held sentiment. Now none of us think we can compete with wigan because of a demoralising period and a horrific derby result. Again, to be expected I suppose.
Everton get smashed out the cups on a yearly basis-look at them this year. But Moyes is still that much better?..
Newkie(Quote)
Basically he has been a victim of his own success. If we hadn’t have qualified for Europa and finished 7th – people would have been happy.
We would then have not had to deal with a stretched squad and most likely been better this year – people would have been happy. Madness.
He has done utterly ***** this year. but for me he deserves another year, reward for being our 3rd most successful PL manager don’t you think..
Couple that with the fact we wouldn’t get someone better under Ashley, and you see we have a lot of reactionary fans on here that are “scream and shout now, appoint a lesser manager, scream and shout again, appoint an even lesser manager” – see 2004 reactionary fans causing Sir Bobby’s sacking, see 2007 Sam Allardyce’s sacking, see 2013 Pardew’s sacking?
Hope not.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
ST-You miss the point mate, we were really lucky. Plus Pardew is good at managing a winning team. I mean he may have organised and got that team winning in the first place, but that’s irrelevent…
Newkie(Quote)
We had a pretty good squad when we got Kinnear didn’t we?
You say the board have matured but go back to summer 2012 and I doubt any fans that want Pardew out echoed those sentiments.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano,
And anyone who doesn’t criticize Pardew for the diabolical season we’ve had this year is also a tool.
He has been as bad this season as he was good last season. At least if it was the other way round it would have shown grown and a plan coming off.
At the moment it just shows a plan that disintegrated into chaos.
JJ(Quote)
@Icedog
That’s higher than when he got here, higher than when he was blamed for the Carroll sale, higher than after Barton/Nolan were sold etc.
I’m sure Allardyce’s was pretty high as well.
And Coloccini after his first year?
And on and on… :/
Fans are reactionary.
I bet that has rocketed by double in the past week based on a performance that was as much the players fault as Pardew’s.
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@Newkie
Aye Coloccini is the one that organises the defence so he should solely get credit for those 15 odd clean sheets last year 😉
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Solano,
To be fair, Joe Kinnear was doing no worse than Pardew is now with a worse squad and a club in massive political disarray with players that weren’t his.
He signed Nolan too who I thought at the time and proved to be a great signing.
Do you wish Kinnear was given more time?
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@JJ
I’m not sure I have met/heard anyone that doesn’t criticise Pardew for this season (@205). However with regards to last year there are plenty who don’t give him credit…
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@Ice @201
I voted on one yesterday and it was only like 61% wanted him out.
I think us Pardew out people must be winning a few people over 😀 good job JJ and the rest of you 😀
@Newkie
What happened to you not wanting to talk today 😀
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@JJ
Is this the Nolan that took half a year to settle? (Gouffran/Sissoko…)
Pardew’s win rate is almost twice that of Kinnear’s
Squad no doubt perform a lot worse – but it’s debatable that it’s been better than this year, given that we’ve had HBA/Tiote out for most.
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@JJ
I’ll be back on later mate
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Santii-got some stuff done but I’m demotivated again, my line manager only had a half day so I don’t have to work anymore, it’s all her fault :razz
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Solano,
That’s where you’re arguing with the wrong guy.
(A) I backed the sale of Carroll from the start – said it was a great deal
(B) I never complained when Pardew was appointed because I thought he was a slight improvement on Hughton. Not in terms of ability but in terms of the football I thought they’d play. Nobody wanted Hughton to leave, they wanted stability, but the change turned out to be for the good. I think its time for change again. #the next level.
(C) I never criticized Coloccini or Enrique. I constantly said both needed time and that both would be good players. They both came good.
When people said Nolan was fat and too slow argued he would come good.
I generally support the idea of giving people time. Its just that Pardew has giving me no glimpse of anything I’d want from a manager in the future for the past 12 months.
JJ(Quote)
I’m hoping we beat West Brom and then he resigns.
It’s a complicated picture this – what makes a good manager? I’ve seen a lot come and go. Some were great then they weren’t. Joe Harvey is a perfect example. You have a great season then two of your best players leave and you’re ****. Ferguson and Wenger are great managers. That doesn’t happen to them but there must be a few hundred others in their time that did get sacked.
Personally I was shocked when Pardew came in. I think he’s just not very bright and places all his emphasis on hard work. I’d like him to go asap.
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Newkie i think the boss of the company you work for need to get rid of that waste of space manager of yours and get a forward thinking continental guy in 😀
Santii(Quote)
Ye, I’m out too… This is consuming too much of my time. Hopefully Saturday comes quickly and we thump West Brom and I can have that glimpse of hope.
I think its our best chance of a win… The players must be hurt and they will know they need to win the fans over by giving 110%.
Later
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It is odd how Sir Bob was sacked for not seeming successful enough ,yet many of us are happy to see Pards stay and prove himself because we fear no one better can be gotten. Didn’t Jabba get rid of Hoots cause he couldn’t take us to that next level (rolly eyes ), yet he seems quite content to stand by Pards despite awful results this season. We have to assume this is because they understand the unpresidented level of first team injuries and other stuff(Colo going solo and Cabs injury/depression and Benny ) to name a couple plus Europa workload and them being at fault for not strengthening in the summer. Others may say they won’t sack him cause he’s a yes man and cheap,What ever the reason ,it is odd that Hoots was deemed not fit to take us further but Pards is. Looking at Norwich I actually think they play quite nice football considering they arn’t a bunch of superstars ,what does that say about Pards in comparrison. Not saying we should of kept Hoots but it is interesting how spirited his team are just as we were under him albeit with a different set of players. Hoots win percentage was 59.38% highest of all our managers but we have to take into account the season in the less tough fizzy pop ,still you have to beat who’s in front of you and Hoots had us doing that and don’t forget under him we mauled the Scum 4.1. Other win % KK 54.98, Sir Bob 46.66 ,Roeder 45.83 . Pards is currently 38% Poor return . By the way Allaydice and Souness and Kenny were all just under Roeders total . Going by these figures Pards is our least successfull manager which is interesting given we finished 5th last year.
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Santii-she’s half portugese mate. And I work in wales, her other half is english. She’s basically a foreigner. Perfect for the job.
Newkie(Quote)
sorry meant 7th
KIMTOON(Quote)
Well she is half English get her sacked 😀
@Kim
i was just about to put something similar tot hat up as well 😀
Points averaged from all games in charge
Hughton 1.95 pts *inc Championship
Keegan 1.85 pts *inc old Division One
Roeder 1.71 pts
Robson 1.68 pts
Sounness 1.52 pts
Dalglish 1.44 pts
Gullit 1.42 pts
Pardew 1.38 pts
Allardyce 1.25 pts *only managed 24 games
Keegan 2 1.14 pts *only managed 21 games
Kinnear 1.00 pts *only managed 20 games
Santii(Quote)
No 5th ,God sake heads gone, aargh
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