No matter what I had planned, whether it be work or anything, I would give it up just to be there to cheer on United.
However in recent years the derby has taken a sinister turn with trouble flaring off the pitch. I’m getting too old for that and can’t be bothered with the hassle (because I can’t just walk away!) so missed out last season and will be again this season. The derby has turned toxic.
However there is a motion with this one to put the passion to the fore whilst leaving the aggro at the door. Both sets of fans have been guilty of it, most notably after the last derby on Tyneside where the result didn’t help but the reactions of a few were completely over the top.
We’ve suffered at the hands of the Mackems in recent times and face the possibility of losing three Tyne-Wear derbies on the spin for the first time since 1923. To stop that happening we need to keep cool heads and play with commitment and take our chances when they come. There may be a gulf in the league standings, but in these games it is who wants it more on the day.
Newcastle:
Loic Remy will miss out through suspension after having his appeal for his red card at Norwich turned down but not extended, which confuses me. Being upheld means that surely it was a frivolous appeal, so why didn’t the FA extend the ban to four games?
Also missing are Yoan Gouffran and Fabricio Coloccini while Ryan Taylor remains our only long-term injury concern. Luuk De Jong looks likely to occupy a space on the bench due to a lack of match fitness. Papiss Cisse should be fine to play after missing out against Norwich.
Sunderland:
Carlos Cuellar and Kieran Westwood will miss the game through injury. Phil Bardsley will be assessed after limping off against Stoke. New signings Ignacio Scocco and Liam Bridcutt are not likely to start the game.
Previously…
This will be the 150th competitive Tyne-Wear derby with results being fairly evenly split over those encounters. United have won 53 times, Sunderland have won 47 times with 49 draws making up the numbers.
At St James’ Park we have been stronger than Sunderland having win 31 of 68 matches played on Tyneside compared to 19 wins for the Mackems. However, more recently, it’s worth noting that we’ve not beaten Sunderland at home since that famous 5-1.
Stats and facts…
A total of five red cards have been shown in the last seven league games between the two sides.
Shola Ameobi has scored seven goals in his last ten Tyne-Wear derbies. Only Jackie Milburn has scored more goals in this fixture.
Topical since Yohan Cabaye has now left, but United won only four of the 20 games Cabaye missed during his time on Tyneside.
Newcastle have failed to score in four of the last five league games and have won one game in the last six outings.
Adam Johnson has scored or assisted each of Sunderland’s last seven Premier League goals.
Sunderland have lost just one of the last eight matches and are unbeaten in their last five away games.
Final thought…
Granted I was all calm and placid at the start but by the time kick-off arrives tomorrow I’ll be just as radgie as ever and will be screaming for us to get into them. At themoment though everything seems low key. Maybe it’s the midweek games? Maybe the closure of the transfer window the day before the match is playing a part? Maybe it’s because Sunderland have an actual cup final to look forward to rather than treating their jolly to SJP as their annual cup final?
After the loss of Cabaye we need a win. I’m still not sure how we didn’t win at Norwich after hitting the woodwork so many times and wasting some guilt-edged chances, but what better way to get things back on track than a win against you’re local rivals? We need it, the players need it, and Alan Pardew needs it.
Howay the lads!
Date: Saturday, 1st February, 2014
Time: 12:45pm
Venue: St James’ Park
Oh dear
http://www.insidefutbol.com/2014/01/31/newcastle-see-bid-for-benfica-attacking-midfielder-filip-djuricic-rejected/124947/
KIMTOON(Quote)
So with injuries and suspensions it may be that our best line up is going to be something similar to:
——————– Krul —————–
Debuchy – Saylor – Willo – Santon
—– Sissoko — Tiote — Anita —–
—– Ben Arfa ——– Sammy —–
—————- De Jong ————–
It may be that he starts with Shola first then introduces De Jong later. But I think with Remy and Gouffran out its likely to be Gosling and Obertan on the bench – it will be interesting to see if there’s a place for Marveaux.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Good preview Toonsy, I agree it does seem a little low key tbh . I’m feeling pretty deflated what with our injuries, suspension of Loic and losing Cabs so close to the Derby. Dream scenario is Luuk coming on as sub and grabbing the winner, instant hero, but I will settle for the Mackem slayer getting a couple or Cisse finding his shooting boots. HWTL
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM Joe is doing a grand job poor guy has only had months to sort deals out
icedog(Quote)
Oh dear yet another totally made up story kim 😳 these papers really should be embarrassed.
Santii(Quote)
Sharpy ,Pards ain’t starting De Jong, according to him yesterday.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim – I’ve never seen anything official regarding that bid like, but if true I can’t say I’m disappointed.
My mate has told me that SSN are at Sunderland today, so defo not putting it on today!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Ice, Trouble is the whole football world knows what we need and how much we have to spend, undisclosed fee is waste of time as we all know it’s around the £20m mark 🙄
Santii@5, My old nan used to say, no smoke without fire 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
SHARPY from last thread what about something worth talking about 😉 has your dog shown you how to go on yet? 😀
icedog(Quote)
Some BBC guy callled Ben on their live text update says Newcastle not re-bidding for Grenier and no one else is coming in.
Deadline day is just dead day for Newcastle fans.
funkyjesus(Quote)
Kim – I can understand that like with the lad not playing for such a long time. Plus, it would **** Shola n Cisse off a bit wouldn’t it.
I think he’ll go with Shola to start in that line up.
Regarding transfers, the only good thing is that it seems teams around us – Swansea, Villa & Saints, and Everton above us, haven’t really strengthened either.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy@7, SSN are at Sunderland every window nowadays cause they always have a new manager rebuilding the team every window 😆
Funny how the Scum always need either new manager syndrome or glut of new players in to beat us. And if all that fails they just do their best to get one of ours red carded 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM@8 does that not apply to most windows with the toon,carroll was the last time clubs know how much we have to spend,thing is we know jabba will only spend very little from it 🙁
icedog(Quote)
FJ@10, No big surprises there then ,I said at start of window no one permanent in again, but was waiting to eat humble pie, the oven was/is still on like.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Sharpy ,The Toffees just signed a keeper mate.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Ice ,true, but they should of bought before selling imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
KIM thats too easy mate
icedog(Quote)
Weather is utter **** here in Bristol ,howling winds, driving icy rain , them poor sods up on the somerset levels must be near suicidal by now, they waist high in floods for weeks now. 🙁
KIMTOON(Quote)
Ice – sorry mate. He’s class but a right ***** hound like. Had him down Chester le Street park the other day and he was just wanting to hump everything – including the swans before they started spitting at him – he didn’t hang round to find out if they were flirting either 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
SHARPY that reminds of Richie 😀 😀 at least it will help keep you fit mate 😉
icedog(Quote)
Shola to start because he is king. The other 10 can pick among themselves, it really doesn’t matter if we have the big lad up front. No not you De Jong, you can come on for some later glory around the 60 minute mark after Shola scores his hatrick and earns his bi-annual hibernation 🙂
Newkie(Quote)
Sharpy@19 😆 😆 Swans are evil, my brother got attacked by one on a boating lake on holiday once, they are vicious sods. Even worse though are geese, we stopped at a pub once and a Gander chased my dad all around the beer garden 😆 I split my sides at the time but poor dad had to leap over a fence to get away from it 😯
KIMTOON(Quote)
seems we dont know which strikers are fit for the game,maybe a pardew ploy 😀 looks like chelsea are about to sign another couple of players ready for us playing them 🙁
icedog(Quote)
Ice…”birds” spitting on me has never put me off in the past 😉 😆
richietoon(Quote)
😀 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
This is what I picture Richie to look like with his birds. Just from some of the comments on here people make about him 😛
Kev from Derek
http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/Mqh1KtBsqbI/maxresdefault.jpg
Santii(Quote)
Santii…Which one am I 😆 to be fair I’ve done worse than both 😳 😆
richietoon(Quote)
😆 😆 😆
lmao your Kev the guy (the one on the right)
For the record the show that is from (Derek) is amazing. Definitely worth a watch. Ricky Gervais and Karl Pilkington both.
Santii(Quote)
Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 59 mins
@cook_uk Had a tip on Wednesday night that incomings ‘unlikely’. Grenier bid had to be in motion before Thu AM. Keeping my ear to ground
Eric @Cyberwolfkorn · 40m
@MsiDouglas @cook_uk So basically Pardew knew in his presser we were signing nobody, but was towing the party line that they were trying.
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KIMTOON(Quote)
Ice – aye he’s doing that ok like. He’s just turn a year old so still full of beans. Took me over half n hour to get him back on his lead when we had him to Gibside just before Xmas. I was like Rocky trying to catch that ******* chicken!.
Kim – they’re horrible, and me dog didnt hang round to see if I was alright either the little ****
Sharpy17(Quote)
Lee Ryder @lee_ryder · 47 mins
Sylvain Marveaux has held talks with Alan Pardew. Obviously he wants to play or leave the club. #nufc
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KIMTOON(Quote)
Net transfer spend last 5 seasons:
1 Manchester City £479,950,000
2 Chelsea £269,759,000
3 Manchester United £138,750,000
4 Stoke City £91,175,000
5 Liverpool £89,400,000
6 Aston Villa £86,000,000
7 Southampton £60,750,000
8 Hull City £47,775,000
9 Sunderland £46,930,000
10 Cardiff City £40,470,000
11 West Ham £30,550,000
12 Norwich City £21,650,000
13 Swansea £18,745,000
14 West Bromwich Albion £14,726,000
15 Crystal Palace £11,950,000
16 Fulham £10,880,000
17 Tottenham £3,850,000
18 Arsenal -£4,125,000
19 Everton -£12,315,500
20 Newcastle -£25,000,000
Shows that we are pretty well run on a scouting basis and do well with negotiation-particularly the selling aspect-of our players. Decently coached (we improve player values and sell them on) and managed obviously-players get to shine in a successful team full of confidence. We follow the same mould set by Arsenal and followed by Everton and Spurs, which is generally successful and sustainable.
Equally, just imagine if we’d spent as much Sunderland or Southampton. Easily four or five pure quality players. Ah to dream 😐
Newkie(Quote)
They can only pull this stunt so many times, People will eventually start to wise up and withhold their season ticket money from the shysters.
Im sure everyone else has been asked this a million times but what the fucking **** is Joe Kinnear doing here ??
CC(Quote)
JFK will be sitting watching Sky sports deadline day with his feet up.. 😕
mark(Quote)
Newkie
Is that windows prior to this one ??
CC(Quote)
CC, Joes still looking for his passport and trying to figure out how to open his office door 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
How the **** are stoke 4th *** I had no idea they had spent so much
Santii(Quote)
CC-From what I understand, it is only prior to this window, and doesn’t even include the 20 mil for Cabaye.
Newkie(Quote)
Santii-exactly. And this doesn’t include the Scums big spending year when Ellis had bought them, pretty sure they spent 40 million that summer, soo…
Newkie(Quote)
With Stoke it’s not neccessarily what they’ve spent (although it is shedloads) it’s the fact they don’t get any money back from their players-a legacy of buying aging, players with no resale value. And for spending 10 mil a pop on Crouch and Kenny jones etc.
Full league is here
http://www.transferleague.co.uk/league-tables/transfer-league-table-last-five-seasons.html
Newkie(Quote)
Joes working hard on a deal at the moment I’ve heard. He’s found some great digs on Late rooms but he needs to sort out the flights – he has priorities you know!!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim
I keep reading from NE press that he didnt have a hand in signing De Jong as Lee Charnley did it all. He has done nothing other that cause unrest with supporters and undermine the manager and force Llambias hand.
It is still without doubt the most pointless appointment ive ever seen in the sport, The structure didnt need a director of football as Carr held that role in all but name.
CC(Quote)
I think a lot of that -20M is explained by us owing on past transfers and those bought on credit by the last knuckleheads. But yeah, it’s time to spend a bit now Mike.
MDS(Quote)
It is a helluva table to read – for us but especially for Villa and the mackems
Gallowgate Terrace West(Quote)
CC, Aye, I can’t fathom out the point of him either 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
Mike Ashley has to be setting us up to sell.
When is the last time he tied a player down to a log term deal?
Only time he invested was when we were threatened with relegation.
The balance sheets look good. There’s no dead wood apart from the manager who is his mate and is now assured of being paid out big bucks.
We won’t be signing anyone unless we get them way undervalue or on loan.
JJ(Quote)
JK was a stuff up the first time around.
Pardew, Kinnear, its just jobs for pals.
JJ(Quote)
I don’t think I can sum up how I feel about tomorrow any better than this post from Metro on their transfer watch:
“This came after the club asked their fans for some of their favourite derby memories ahead of tomorrow’s clash with Sunderland:”
http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3098060.ece/ALTERNATES/s510b/Newc-tweet-2-3098060.jpg
😆
Whumpie(Quote)
JJ-I think some of our boys signed 4 1/2 or 5 year deals in last January. Other than disagreeing about Pardew being deadwood, I agree a payout for those two and a club which is apparently self financing must look enticing.
The problem obviously is that someone can buy a championship side for a pittance and build from the bottom up, rather than paying 200 mil just for this club.
Newkie(Quote)
Football is so f**cked. How the hell can one club be allowed to compete while blowing £100M a year on transfers? It’s like allowing some fekker to turn up at the Tour de France on a bloody motorbike.
Football is run by shysters and idiots. They should put Hughton in charge of it all; they’s the only honest one left. 🙁
Whumpie(Quote)
Spot on JJ except the first line. Why would he sell when he has bucket loads of money rolling in all the time? That’s all he cares about. All!
On another note did you all notice how unhappy Pardew looked all night at Norwich? At the press briefing yesterday a journo actually asked him if he felt OK? Fine he replied, tight lipped. Done like a kipper.
georgio(Quote)
JJ – do you not believe that we went for Grenier then mate?
As disappointed as I am that we haven’t strengthened, they have said throughout that it would be the right player at the right price. It wasnt going to be panic buys or deviating from the players they have identified – it looks like they’d rather wait til the summer and get the players they want.
At the moment we are playing for 8th spot – 9th at worse coz I don’t really see Villa or Swansea making up the difference, unless they go on a great run and we totally **** up.
Surely it makes sense to wait and get the players you want?!. The likes of Siem De Jong and Grenier haven’t said they don’t want to come to us, they just want to see the season out with their current clubs.
If we signed either or both those players in the summer we’d be chuffed. Along with Gomis and either Luuk De Jong or Remy on a permanent deal – that wouldn’t be bad business would it?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Ashley’s not trying to sell; he’s got too good a thing going. A blatant tax kludge for free advertising for his only REAL interest, “SellaChavaTrakkie.com” and hence his net worth.
Sadly, our club has become little more than Jabba’s favourite wanking sock.
Whumpie(Quote)
http://www.teamtalk.com/poll/results/3922
Why the hell would they include Alan “deadwood” Pardew as one of the nominees 😕 😆
Bloody idiot southern rags 👿
solanostrumpet(Quote)
Sharpy,
When is the last time we spent any money in the summer?
There have been to many of these bull below the valueation bids towards deadline day. So to not doubt whether they are legitimate is crazy.
We always bid around 70% of a player’s true value. So we’re nearly always going to get turned down.
JJ(Quote)
Sharpy – agree on that. Now that they’ve let Cabs go it seems highly unlikely that they’ll get “the right player at the right price”, even with Carr doing his bit. Fat lot of use making a £15m profit on a player if you have to spend exactly that to replace him.
If only Jabba had realised how close we were to being able to get in among the elite and the CL spots. Instead of making a few mill, spend a few – and he then puts SD on the global map and sticks £100m on the value of the club into the bargain.
People say you don’t get as rich as him by being an idiot. I’d qualify that to “without being an idiot ALL THE TIME”. The one gamble we actually wanted him to take, and he’s wussed.
Whumpie(Quote)
Sharpy, rightly or wrongly I do think that’s how the club operates. They have specific players they like (identified and followed closely by Carr) and then wait until they have a bit of cash to spend and those players become available for the I right price. Its frustrating for us supporters but also means they don’t make stupid buys.
MDS(Quote)
We did want Grenier. The deal breaker was that we were offering half of what we had been paying Cabaye.
Also, moving to a new club & country midway through the season & dix months before the worldcup, it was just too risky for the player.
Had we offered more money to the player & agent, he might have come but it would not have been certain.
That’s my take on it from what i’ve seen.
Not too bothered either. We’re rubbish at developing players.
KK(Quote)
Solano: because 95% of fans disagree with you: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/big-toon-survey-alan-pardew-6508505
He’s the only thing about this club keeping us from total disaster. How many of the other 19 PL managers do you think could have us 8th with those arseholes at the helm, aiming at every iceberg on the way?
Whumpie(Quote)
That manager survey is a joke. Pellegrini gets a huge vote because he’s done well with a squad assembled on a meagre £100m net spend a season. The “Special” one still gets good votes despite a comprehensive failure to get goals out of Torres, Ba and Eto’o. Presumably because he has a nice coat.
Pardew, working under Sweary Mary and Pile ’em High Mike, having his best players sold each summer and recruitment that actually turns a huge profit, forcing a team rebuild from scratch every year – gets 1.9%.
A lot of nobwits out there.
Whumpie(Quote)
Whumpie – I’m pro Pardew 😉 (under this regime anyway)
solanostrumpet(Quote)
JJ – do you believe that they were in for Grenier?
Look at the way Spurs spent in the summer! – how many have come good and how many arent even getting a game now under Sherwood.
Too many of us are armchair managers with an opinion on who we should be signing and who we shouldn’t – who should be playing and who shouldn’t – and totally include myself in that!!.
But look at the likes of Debuchy, Remy, Sissoko, Gouffran, Cisse to a degree and now De Jong. Players who have been well scouted and players who we have pursued over a number of windows.
I much prefer the idea of them having a list of players that they want rather than the approach of ‘if we can’t get who we want, just get anyone!’
Sharpy17(Quote)
Bad news re Marveaux.
I’m not sure why people still complain that he’s gutless or lazy 🙄
Even if he is (& he’s not) he still created more chances than anyone else last season. Not bad for a lazy gutless player.
Our problem is that we have people running & managing the club that honestly just don’t have the skills or experise to do it.
In the old days a manager would just have had to use his personality to send the team out. He’d pick the team, do a few drills in training & make some subs.
The game has moved on so much since then. You actually need to have a brain to be a good manager.
Pellegrini, Wenger, Mourinho – these are all people that would be smart outside of football.
You don’t need a formal education or qualification but you do need to have something that you average Joe or Alan doesn’t have.
Oyr ability to select & sign players is good. It’s ghe best thing we have at the club.
The rest of it from the commercial side, first team manager & coaches all the way down to the academy is rubbish.
We need to get rid of Joe Kinnear, Alan Pardew, John Carver, whoever was in charge of the Wonga deal (Derek Llambias?), overhaul the academy etc.
KK(Quote)
@whumie
Are you seriously suggesting that no other manager in the league would be able to do as well as Pardew 😯
KK(Quote)
kk
“We need to get rid of Joe Kinnear, Alan Pardew, John Carver, whoever was in charge of the Wonga deal (Derek Llambias?), overhaul the academy etc.”
I could defiantly get behind that plan but i think to do that all over a short space of time would do more harm than good. Gradual improvements over say 5 or 6 years would be less risky and allows us to establish ourselves more solidly(?) in the top 10 or 8
I think the biggest thing you mention is the Academy. We should be looking at teams like Ajax, Schalke and even Southampton on what they are doing right in their youth schemes and so on.
Sharpy
Great point about well scouted players.
Santii(Quote)
JFK’s job here is just a highly paid ****-deflector for Cashley..
I don’t think we made a good attempt to get Grenier. we probably asked what he was worth and knocked off half of that with a bid.
Anyway we should of told them we bought Cabs for 4.5mill. & we bid 10 for Grenier, so Grenier is valued by us twice as much 😀
mark(Quote)
What has this regime got to do with being pro or anti pardew?
You wouldn’t say ‘i’m pro obertan (under this regime anyway)’ would you?
The fear of Joe Kinnear has paralysed some fans from a change in manager.
Is Joe Kinnear actually any worse than Pardew? Probably not tbh. He’s certainly achieved more in his career that pardew anyway. Both are as incompetent as every other English manager.
KK(Quote)
KK – “We did want Grenier. The deal breaker was that we were offering half of what we had been paying Cabaye”.
Not true mate. Lyon did not knock our bid back. Lyon informed Grenier of the offer to see whether the move was something the player wanted or would consider.
Grenier said no for now as in his words he still has goals to achieve with Lyon this season. That’s not to say he wouldn’t come in the summer.
It had nowt to do with the amount we offered. Lyon confirmed we had made a bid, but did not say it had been declined.
Lyon also stopped Gomis move to Inter, which will mean they loose him on a free in the summer – so they aren’t all about money mate. They current sit 5th in the league fighting for a CL spot, which is more a priority for their club than money for transfer fees with no time to replace those players.
As for not developing players. I would say Cabaye is a better player now than when he left us. Tiote has improved. Santon is a better player. Tim Krul is a very good GK who came through the rank. Gouffran is doing very well.
Im not sure where you get that suggestion from in all honest. Other than maybe Cisse and Marveaux, I’m not sure who you’d be referring to to be honest.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Breaking News:
We will never permanently sign a player for the first team again until the FA force us to in order to be able to field a team.
funkyjesus(Quote)
Relax everyone Joe hasn’t found anyone available on a free that’s good enough to replace Cabaye yet. Not spending money is hard work. 🙁
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Trabzonspor bid £7m for Newcastle forward Papiss Cisse
great business that. keep the money rolling in…
mark(Quote)
Grenier was going to be too expensive anyway. Why they wanted at least half of what we got for Cabaye. And he wanted wages as well. And there was an agent’s fee believe it or not. The nerve of those French!
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Mark come on now have a bit of common sense. The daily mail are reporting it. With not a single shred of evidence or proof that there is even the slightest bit of interest.
I am starting to understand how papers still sell….
Santii(Quote)
Ahhhh! I’m feeling so fiscally responsible today. Life is good as a Newcastle supporter. 🙂
GeordieTwo(Quote)
What we seem to miss if you buy a TV, you shop about for the best value then get the best value. You don’t go to Dixons and say “I have £50 and will not spend anymore” and expect them to just roll over. We have no concept of self awareness.
We cry robbery when teams do to us what we do to them. Lyon reject a bid for Grenier and want more – we did this and got an extra £5m from PSG. Lyon did it as they knew we had money.
We will never buy anyone.
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