The tipping point?

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newcastle fan season ticket pardew Another derby and another pathetic defeat under the stewardship of Alan Pardew. Not good would be an understatement.

You’ve probably noticed the lack of a match report following on from that game. It’s intentional. As much as I try to take the rough with the smooth I’m not willing to put myself and everyone else through it all again.

Perhaps that is my inspiration for this article? As you can see I’ve called it ‘the tipping point’ because that is the point I feel I’ve reached with everything at Newcastle and feel that now we are stuck in a position we’ll never get out of.

It sounds bad having a moan and may even come across as reactionary after another defeat to Sunderland. It’s not at all. They fully deserved the win on the day. This is a culmination of many things.

Alan Pardew

I’ve been stuck on what to think of him for ages now. On one hand I do feel sorry for him having to work under the constraints those above put on him. On the other hand I’m guessing he knew the deal when he signed up.

Motivationally speaking the guy just doesn’t get it. After the derby he said perhaps we were too pumped up? Balls. That isn’t what I saw. Instead I saw a group of players who didn’t look up for it at all.

Players have suffered under him. Papiss Cisse has been a 1 in 2 striker throughout his career yet we are unable to give him the service or chances regularly enough.

Hatem Ben Arfa is another who seems to have gone backwards as has Sylvain Marveaux while there are plenty who have stagnated as footballers.

If part of our philosophy is to buy players and develop them, does it not fall down with the coaching and, ultimately, the manager?

Mike Ashley

It’s pretty clear what the aim of the club is. We are to sit in the Premier League without aiming for the Europa League because it’s an inconvenience but with no chance of ever going for a Champions League place due to the amount of money it would take to give it a go. Also a domestic cup is out of bounds as it just doesn’t benefit the balance. Sod trying to win things.

Now I’m not blindly saying that Ashley hasn’t done anything for us. Our finances are tip-top and they needed sorting out with the losses we were making at the tail end of the Freddy Shepherd era. Those figures are there in black and white and are not the result of some propaganda machine.

However there comes a time when sitting on a load of cash and selling top players has to end. I read somewhere that our net spend over the last five seasons is something like -45 million quid. True a lot of that is inflated by the sale of Carroll and Cabaye and the picking up of players at knockdown prices but it’s still staggering if true.

In this game you need to spend to stand still and we just aren’t going to do that. In fact the last and only time we’ve seen a rush of transfer activity was when our Premier League status was on the line which says an awful lot about the ambition of the club.

Joe Kinnear

What does he do apart from chat a load of lies? He is supposed to be Director of Football but at the moment he’s just basically doing nothing. I didn’t think we could get worse than Derek Llambias but it just shows how wrong I was.

In conclusion change has to happen from the top but how can it be engineered? A stay away protest? Generally I’m against things that harm the team but being as we’re pretty much safe, which is why in my eyes we’ve not invested again, why can’t we also use that reason to stay away?

We need to get our point across somehow…

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400 thoughts on “The tipping point?”

  3. I’m a bit late to this conversation, but for what it’s worth I completely agree that it’s time to turn the taps off and empty SJP, Sports Direct and Sky’s subscriptions list in the North East.

    “Support the team, not the regime” simply doesn’t work; you can’t do one without the other, and Jabba knows it. He’s banking on one thing only: that we’ll never do it. We’ll never stay away. So far, he’s been right, and the humiliation is worse than any football result.

    Time to take one on the chin, write off the season, spend nowt and stay away. Accept that no matter what the consequences – relegation, administration, whatever – it’s worth it just to get us out of this perpetual hell and send that ***** back to his miserable mansion.

    I used to think, “well, at least Ashley saved us from doing a Leeds”. Frankly, I think Leeds got it right; at least they can go up to their ground and enjoy the football.

    Screw it. Stay away. Picket lines on match days and outside shops – the lot.

    Incidentally, I am of course completely against the very idea of cyber attacks. Anyone who deliberately targets a large, commercial website to take it down, corrupt it or otherwise make its owner suffer humiliation and financial damage is, of course, a baddun.

    And, by association, anyone who knows anyone who may know anyone who is capable of doing such a thing, would be very, very naughty indeed.

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  5. 😆
    I am still glad Joey’s someone else’s problem now – but there’s no denying that he delivers the goods sometimes. First post-derby item that’s actually made me smile – ta Joey. :mrgreen:

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  6. Aparently Mike Ashley is furious with Alan Pardew an article on Eds blog. I can’t imagine why ?
    He gets free advertising
    18 million back on his loan
    A top 10 finish looks likely

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  7. His the owner. He should be furious and make a statement. Do the right thing. Be honest and show you at least care.

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  8. Whumpie-my feelings chop and change every time he opens his mouth usually. But after our spineless showing against the mackems I would have him back in a heartbeat. Tiote was the only one with any heart and at least he appologised. Taylor was laughable, if simmo had backed away like that he would have been lynched.

    Williamson was ***** as well-no surprise, those two can not play together, not when they are under pressure. Where the **** was Mbiwa.

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  9. Kim – I’d like to us recall Campbell and get him game time in the PL.
    Let’s be right, the best were going for is 8th and with the points difference at the moment the worst we’ll get is likely to be 10th.
    What does it matter now?. It seems pointless giving game time to Shola when (1) he’s leaving in the summer (2) he’s *****!.
    Both Campbell and Armstrong score plenty in the reserves but that doesn’t tell us much at all. Get both in the first team squad and drop Shola for certain. If he’s not planning on playing Cisse then sell or drop him and play Armstrong.
    I’m not saying he should drop or sell Cisse, for me he should be playing. But if he isn’t in Pardews plans then let’s get a look at what the young lads can do at this level – see how good they are and whether they have a future.
    I think that would be the only thing that might actually provide some positivity in the second half of this season – the possibility that 2 Geordie CFs could make it.

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  14. What a climax!

    Newkie you meanie, you put a question mark after resigns!

    I didn’t know if it was true & you prolonged the tension!!

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  16. 1 down 2 to go

    Yep we could have done with his on picth attitude on Saturday
    …but as for his tweets, I bet that really but a downer on the Mackems, beating us(again) and a cup final then Joey goes and ruins it for them, they must be gutted 🙄

    and on that note…goodnight all 😀

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  18. Newkie – it’s a good start mate, but I would have preferred to see him sacked!. At least it would have been an admition from Ashley that he got it wrong.
    Thank **** that little drunken **** is no longer at our club!.

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  20. KK :mrgreen: Soz fella.

    I AM SO HAPPY.

    Please let this be the end of Ashley and a clear out of the staff other than Carr. Please let us have a decent fucking owner. Please, please, please.

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  23. Newkie I thought you were joking. I thought when you put the question mark, you were filling us with false hope. 2 to go please, please, please.

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  24. I don’t actually believe he resigned just as i don’t believe Derek Llambias resigned.

    Llambias was fired by Ashley because commercial revenue dropped & we went into the red when he pushed through those 5 signings that should have cost nowt in the summer.

    Kinnear has been fired because Ashley asked him what he’d actually achieved since he was hired. No surprise Knnear has been doing nothing.
    The game has moved on from dinosaurs like him.

    If we don’t make top 10, it’s 100% guarantee Padew gets sacked.

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  26. Well at least we know if he gets rid of Pardew next that JFK isn’t there to step in!.

    Thanks for **** all Joe – he’s hoping you don’t make a hat trick!!!

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  27. I echo what Sharpy17 says – give the job to Carr, let hire the next manager& sort out the academy.

    Bring in Cortese too or am i asking for too much…

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  28. I just hope Jabba has the sense to get a proper footie man in now.
    But it wouldnt surprise me if he brought anotjer knob in, maybe we’ll see Wise back

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  29. KK – Carr wouldn’t hire or fire the manager for me mate. He’d be solely there for player scouting and recruitment. It makes perfect sense to me. While the windows are closed he’s out scouting players, then when the window opens he and Lee Charnley sort out the buying of said players – or am I simplifying things too much?.

    Bring Christian Purslow in as CEO to sort out the financial side of things, and hopefully a deal to sell us to a rich ambitious buyer.

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  30. wise the left back, Llambias and kinnear the centre back…
    now ashley the goalie looking for the right back to complete
    his wall of shame then the club will be sold

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  31. Ashley will probably hire someone like Howard Wilkinson nu 😆

    that’ll teach us.. 😉

    was he pushed or did he have a backbone and thought enough of this bullshit..

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  32. “Judge me on my signings” Yohan Cabab & I’ve spent my whole life picking up the phone and talking to Alex Ferguson, week in, week out, what would you do?

    “I can pick the phone up at any time of the day and speak to Arsene Wenger, I can pick the phone up and speak to any manager in the league,”

    😆 fond memories…

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  34. @sharpy17

    I think Carr already does what you want him to do.

    The DoF is responsible for all things football at the club from the manager, players, coaches, academy, training facilities etc.

    Maybe Carr isn’t the man for all of those jobs (or maybe he is but he won’t want to take it on?) but i’m still of the opinion that there is a gap between the players we sign & the only playing style the manager knows.

    We need a manager that is of the same ilk as the players so that they’re both aligned.

    Either Carr needs to go or Pardew needs to go.

    I would have thought Pardew would be familiar with the types of coaches & managers that would get the best out of the technical players we have.

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  35. The former Wimbledon boss was on Tyneside today for talks with Football Secretary Lee Charnley.

    But after a window in which he pledged that “nobody” would leave the club, Kinnear quits his post.

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  36. Sorry, not Pardew 😳

    I would have thought Carr would be familiar with the coaches & managers that could get the best out the technical players we’ve signed

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  37. Everyone asleep then & not seen the news that JFK is gone?

    Beware… this club does not do transitions well… We’re basically safe for the season, but boy, this could be the start of the landslide. Good riddance, but what next?

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  39. Well Cortese is still looking for a job isn’t he?…When Llambias left I thought “anyone will do” but surely now, if we get anyone they will be a decent fucking option.

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  40. **** me i have just woke up and seen the news!!!!!!!!!!!! 😀 😀 😀 😀 Well its a start and now for Fatboy too sell up as well.I bet Pards has told Ashley its kinnear out or i walk and Ashley has panicked knowing no manager will come and work under Kinnear

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  41. Thought I would have a quick peak before bed and what do you know, JFK gone 😀 😀 I should think Pards is breathing a huge sigh of relief about now.

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  45. @Axel

    I don’t think Pardew has the guts to give ultimatums so i very much doubt that he was responsible for Kinnear going.

    He’s part of the problem & towed the same club line for too long. He flat out refuses to sayvanything that migt be construed as negwtive towards kinnear or Ashley.

    Plus, ultimatums don’t seem to work. Afterall, Keegan gave the ultimatum that either Wise goes or he walks & as it happened, Keegan walked!

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  46. KK-At the end of the day, you are purely speculating and you really have no idea what went on behind the scenes. Nobody here does.

    “Llambias was fired by Ashley because commercial revenue dropped & we went into the red when he pushed through those 5 signings that should have cost nowt in the summer.

    Kinnear has been fired because Ashley asked him what he’d actually achieved since he was hired. No surprise Knnear has been doing nothing.
    The game has moved on from dinosaurs like him.”

    All of that from you was speculation. How do you know Pardew didn’t give an ultimatum?

    Pardew: If I was in charge, solely, of transfers things might be different but I’m not,” said Pardew.
    “I think I’ve made my opinions very clear this week and all the rest of it is confidential.”

    Confidential bit is a bit of a hint, and look what follows..

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  47. Also, if Pardew gave an ultimatum it wouldn’t have bothered Kinnear or Mike Ashley.

    They’d accept Pardew’s resignation without having to pay compensation & then Kinnear would have stepped in as manager on a ‘temporary basis’.

    No way is Pardew getting credit for Kinnear’s ‘resignation’.

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  48. @newkie

    Yep, it’s speculation based on the events.

    I’m sure Pardew strongly put a case across for a replacement for Cabaye in this window. That’s what i take as the confidential bit as he backtracked when he said he didn’t mean a replacement in this window.

    He definitely meant in this window.

    Mike Ashley (again speculation based on previous actions) doesn’t seem like the kind of guy that accepts ultimatums.

    We’re safe from relegation & are unlikely to get a european place. No cups to play for either. Even if Pardew & the entire coaching staff walked, we’d still be ok for the next 6 months.

    Mike Ashley is a Gorilla whereas Pardew is a monkey

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  50. Dear Newcastle United Fan’s,
    It is with great sadness that I resigned as Director of Football. I know you will all miss me. I brought Remy and De Jong in for you to enjoy this season. I have done my best and wish the club and supporters all the best. I know you will all miss me.

    Goodbye Joe Kinnear Former director of football

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  51. “If I was in charge, solely, of transfers things might be different but I’m not,” 

    I understood that as Pardew saying that he would not have sold Cabaye for£20m.

    I actually think that the Cabaye deal was a good deal for us. I expect the money will be used by Carr to bring in players.

    The problem at the club is not the transfers in or out. The problem is that there are people at the club that aren’t qualified to be there.

    Kinnear is not a DoF.

    Pardew is not in the top 25 managers in the world (we’re a top 25 club).

    Shola Ameobi is not a top 8 premier league centre forward. I still think he has something to offer but not at this level & not at this club.

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  53. Maybe after all of that hard work getting £19million plus whatever add ons for Yohna Kebab, Kinner was ready for a 2 week vacation. At which point he was told he had 2 weeks before the russian transfer window closes to get at least £9million for Pappis Sissy and he promptly retired.

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  54. thank fuk JK is gone.. at least it will cut down the incessant whinging by 33.3%.
    Now Ashley and Pardew will have to take all the heat 50/50 😆

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  55. DJG 😆

    Aussie-change of targets rather than lessening I think mate. I just want them all gone so we can have a clean slate now tbh, the same things being said constantly now, cant hack it anymore.

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  56. Woot! Yipee! Huzzah huzzah!

    Judged on his record – worthless, useless. Was he pushed or did he jump? Who gives a monkeys. He’s gone.

    It remains to be seen whether Ashley now realises that employing mates only leads to tears. I live in hope that he’s considering being more professional in his appointments … or is selling the club to a sooperdooperultramultigazillionaire.

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  58. Newkie…Agree, a clean slate is needed.
    We’ve had some **** owners/chairmen but none of them have divided the fans like Ashley the sooner him and all his minions have gone the better(Carr can stay if he wants).

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  59. Joe would have been pushed to hand in his resignation.. no way that lazy slob would have thrown the towel in voluntarily..

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  60. Dennis Wise… Joe Kinnear……?????
    Who ever the next in line is, he has big shoes to fill! 😆 😆

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  61. Dennis Wise said nice things about the Toon a few weeks back, maybe paving the way for a return? 😆

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  63. That’s 4 DoF in 6 yrs.
    mort
    Wise
    Lamearse
    Kinnear

    What a shambles.

    Is this really the Arsenal way?????

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  65. One down, two to go…

    One good thing is that we couldn’t possibly appoint anybody worse than Joe Kinnear.

    Ashley needs an adviser that knows a bit about football, to appoint a director of football that knows a bit about football and isn’t insane.

    Nicola Cortese is available. David Dein is available as far as I know.

    Any chance here?

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  68. You say all that, KK. But, Pardew did get us to 5th, and we weren’t far from doing that again this year, we have played some really good stuff at times. We gave City a right good run for their money. You say he is not in the top 25, but I would say apart from some obvious candidates in the top 10 maybe, every other manger is judged season to season. Laudrup last season, was God’s gift, this season many want him gone. Martinez, Moyes, this year, next year who knows.

    Considering what Pardew has had to put up with while here, I think he has done a remarkable job, coupled with Carr. My only complaint is that he seems to resort to hoof ball too often. But, he/ Carr have built not a bad squad, that if they can get their heads together and realize Cabaye wasn’t everything to this team, can still challenge the top 6. We may not now, but we are able. The trouble, whoever’s door it lays at, is that we were weakened this January in playing staff and belief in the Club. That was not Pardew’s doing.

    The reality is, if he had been given a reasonable kitty I have no doubt we would be up their challenging Top 6-4. Not bad, I would say.

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  69. Should we be worried about Kinnears resignation? Was he told to resign or be sacked because he did a **** job or did he resign because he wasn’t given the tools (money) to do the job?

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  70. Stuart , That’s the million dollar question mate, we’ll probably never know the truth. One good thing is we no longer have to fear JFK as manager if he hooks Pards at some point. 😀

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  71. Kim…Unless he resigned as DoF so that he could take up his new position of 1st team coach/manager 😯

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  72. is Mark at 292 whinging about me whinging about the whingers that are whinging at how poorly the club is run!! 😯

    so Joe was brought into the club to take over from Pardew as manager.. well that conspirasy theory has been blown out of the water! 😆 😆

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  73. Richie, doubt it very much, think he’s gone now, that would of happened already if it was going to….I hope 🙄

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  74. Think the fact that the club has issued a simple Joe Kinnears has resigned statement without thanking him for his service etc speaks volumes from the club – seems obvious that this wasn’t an amicable split and that he was given an ultimatum.
    Pards barbed statements on signings mentioned elsewhere on this blog and in the media was an obvious dig at JFK and given Ashley had in fact sanctioned the signing of players, Kinnear failed to deliver on every front so it’s a fairly simple decision to make

    He’ll be missed…. words you’ll never hear in relation to JFK

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