Kinnear gets the elbow, but why?

Mike Ashley Joe Kinnear First off let me just say that I’m not complaining about Joe Kinnear being pushed/shoved or voluntarily walking/staggering away from his role as Director of Football at Newcastle United.

Quite the opposite in fact. I’m pleased that the man has gone. Nothing personal Joe but I just thought you had fundamental issues in doing the job you were supposed to be doing. Auf wiedersehen pet and all that.

However it has come as a bolt from the blue so what exactly has gone on behind closed doors for this to be the outcome?

To be honest I doubt we’ll ever find out. Kinnear may well get the ear of a radio station but the buffoon has got so much wrong previously (like player names for a start, oh and also saying no players would leave United shortly before Cabaye left for PSG) you wouldn’t be able to believe a word he said.

Apparently there are no plans to replace Kinnear with another Director of Football so does that now mean that the manager will have more say on transfers? Maybe Graham Carr will be given some more influence rather than feeding targets to Kinnear only for nothing to happen?

Having been critical of Kinnear you have to remember that he was not and is not the exclusive problem at our club however his failure to land a first team player on a permanent deal during his tenure does stick out like a sore thumb.

I don’t know what is going on or why there was this need for sudden change. It’s welcome as it’s a sign something is changing and that perhaps there is someone somewhere in the corridors of power that at least empathises with us.

Then again it could all be a PR stunt and Kinnear could be made to look like the fall guy. For all we know he may not have been given the cash to splash by Ash?

That wouldn’t be a shock, would it?

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291 thoughts on “Kinnear gets the elbow, but why?

  1. Aussie,
    Pardew has done ok with his results. But the football in general over the past three years has been **** to watch.

    If we brought someone in. Got similar results, but actually played a brand of football that was enjoyable to watch. I’d be happy with that at this point in time.

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  2. JJ, if we had Laudrup as a manager, you end up complaining that all we do is pass in little triangles and go knowhere with our style of play. 🙂
    Michu definately helped Laudrup shine bright last season!!

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  3. Kk
    Wum. Pardew got manager of the year with us. Therefore that disputes chuck’s claim that he has been nothing but **** for us. Kinnear got manager of the year at Wimbledon, he undoubtedly deserved it. It has no bearing on his time at Newcastle.

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  4. In fact you could argue that Kinneer’s achievements at Wimbledon were far more than Martinez at Wigan who a) got them relegated and b) achieved less than his predecessors Steve Bruce and Paul Jewel, and c) had more resources at Wigan than Kinneer did at Wimbledon.

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  5. You don’t understand – we are NUFC, a club that any world class manager would beg to manage, and where any manager who doesn’t deliver successful, beautiful football every week is a clueless muppet.

    KK – I assume that you were calling for SBR to go, like lots if other fans, at the time?

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  6. I was actually surprised by Laudrups win percentage at swansea just 27% with 16 wins in 62 matches. In fact weve already won more games this season than they did when they finished 8th last year.

    Loved watching them mind, The way swansea played under him was on another level to Rodgers. It was more attacking getting the ball forward quicker. Mixing up long balls and crosses with the possession game and slick counter attacks.

    Unbelievable lack of gratitude to a manager who led them to their first ever cup and their highest league finish. He deserved some leighway this season with the europa league taking its toll on their squad.

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  7. CC
    So did Pardew deserve some lee-way last year with Europa League taking it’s toll on our squad 😉 Far more injuries as well. And Cisse as our only striker from Jan onwards..

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  8. So Kinnear not sacked due to lack of signings, but because he didn’t get enough money for Cabaye! Anyone wondering which way Ashley is thinking should be in no doubt now.

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  9. Shocking decision by the Swans chairman though. I have little doubt that if Everton finish in Europa qualification they will suffer a big dip in form next year as well.
    Still have faint, faint hopes that Ashley is purposely missing out on Europa, and not spending in the last summer/winter transfer windows as he is planning a summer 2014 transfer bonanza followed by distraction-free assault on qualifying for the Champions League next season. 😎
    Think I’ve gone mad.

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  10. Never thought I’d agree with some of the wilder bloggers on here but yeah, I want Pardew gone. We had a lot of high quality players on the field on Sunday being tactically out played and out fought by some very ordinary players. e.g. who would you swap from our midfield for Colback, Ki and Bridcutt? Our defence was woeful. Ask Pardew why was Mbiwa bought if he’s no better than Willo and Taylor. That’s a 23 yea old international who captained his team to the title. Instead we got Willo hoofball, Benny dragged into a position he can’t play and the lamentable Shola getting 90 mins. The man’s totally out of his depth and he is not the reason we finished 5th!

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  11. @Lionel Speed & Richietoon
    Thanks guys 😀

    @troy
    I think Pardew shouldn’t be building a team around an individual. It’s not like Cabaye is at the level of Messi whilst everybody else in the squad is an amateur.

    What would have happened if Cabaye suffered a long term injury?

    @Mark
    Spot on

    @Premandup
    I agree. I think Kinnear hugely overachieved. His problem (same with Pardew, Shearer etc) is that they haven’t kept up with the changes in football & therefore have been left behind,

    @Gallowgate Terrace West
    Certainly not. I actually think despite Keegan taking the club higher, SBR was the better manager.

    I consider SBR to have been a better manager than SAF.

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  12. Whilst not going to dispute the relative merits of both SAF & SBR. Given SBR’s treatment of Hoddle when at England. He won’t track back therefore he will never play for me again. Isn’t this the same trait that you have used to beat Pardew re Marveux etc.

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  13. Prem@91, you make a fair point there it has to be said. I do think it could be a tad simplistic though as if memory serves me SBR teams were far more attacking and creative than Pardews, he also knew how to get the best out of creative/ maverick players too. Prem how well or different do you think Sir Bob would play our current crop of players?. Would he for instance rely on one player to dictate play as Pards has said about Cabs.

    Finally, I don’t think you can compare Pards with Sir Bob, Sir Bob was on another level to Pards and arguably SAF too.

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  14. Kim not arguing SBR Much the best manager we have ever had. He was tactically aware, a great man manager, and successful. I think that Pardew prepares his teams meticulously, and when disrupted he fails, hence last season and the derby. He is also a decent man manager as the squad teamwork shows. Tactically he is better than given credit for although no genius. Hiddink and others have complemented in this area. To me all KK had was his inspirational leadership, Lots of Money and a good backroom staff.

    My point was I was merely looking for some Consistancy in KK’s ramblings on this blog.

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  15. Kim that link is typical. No reasoning except he hasn’t won anything. What are the 14 reasons?

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  16. KK… I have woke u properly now so don’t agree with that comment anymore 😆 …actually I do but more like the last 2 thirds of it 😉

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  17. Normally yes, of course. However, all managers fall out with players. No manager makes all his team happy.

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  18. What has been consistent – at West Ham, Southampton and us, is Pardew’s man-management style of developing a strong team culture and being hard on those who won’t fit into it, for which read midfielders not tracking back…

    I’m with Prem, that he struggles when his preparations are disrupted, and we sure as heck all saw that Saturday. So, either we change managers (again) and hope that the new one needs no long period of time to embed reliability in his own squad, or we allow Pardew that time to ensure that squad players just instinctively know their roles – that’s when a squad can overcome limited preparation time or the loss of a good player, and it’s also what SBR did, taking nearly 3 full seasons to make us a top half side.

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  19. @Premandup

    I don’t know enough about SBR’s treatment of Hoddle.

    I do think it’s ridiculous to leave one of your best performing attacking players out of a match day squad in favour our having 1 left back on the pitch & 2 on the bench!

    As though it’s really necessary to have 3 left backs ‘just in case’!. 🙄 😆

    Pardew went from being a premier league manager to a championship manager to a league one manager.

    That shows the trajectory his career was on.

    Sacked from all 3 jobs.

    If Pardew is good enough to be our manager than surely Allardyce is too? Tony Pulis, most of the managers in the championship, every manager in the premier league etc?

    What qualifies Pardew more than Pulis? Or even Kinnear?

    Kinnear achieved more in his Career. Should he be manager?

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  20. @GTW
    Wasn’t Pardew sacked from Southampton because of low staff morale?

    I also didn’t see much of a strong team culture at the weekend.

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  21. HAHAHA. We’re f**ked.

    Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 7m
    I understand Cheick Tiote has been injured and could miss the game with #chelsea #nufc

    I think Bigi is injured too, so cometh the hour, cometh Dan Gosling? Or M’Biwa, I guess…

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  22. @Blip

    It’s not too bad.

    I watch every game with the hope that we’ll put in a good performance regardless of the individuals that we have (or don’t have) available.

    I would play Sissoko, Anita & Marveaux in the middle if Tiote is unavailable.

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  23. KK – not from Saints, where he had them flying up the table, and a host of players from that time spoke highly of him. He didn’t get on with Cortese, though. I don’t see anyone saying that he’s the best manager ever, but his club record has a lot of good as well as two bad bits (the last bit at West Ham and Charlton) both of which illustrate him reacting badly to extreme pressure.

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  24. @Kimtoon

    I honestly think it’s the second time that Joe Kinnear has inadvertently saved Pardew’s job.

    If Pardew is no better than a Championship manager, why is he here?

    If some fans want to stick with an Englishman, then at least give the job to a young, progressive English manager.

    Instead we’re stuck with Pardew. There is no disagreement about his (limited) abilities. It’s just some fans are happy for us to be mediocre for the next few years because:

    1) they’re scared that a Pardew replacement will be worse or
    2) they actually believe Pardew is good enough for us.

    If their reason is 1) then we should just stick with Mike Ashley too because an alternative might be worse.

    If thier reason is 2) then we could hire just about anybody from the Premier League or Championship & they wouldn’t do any worse.

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  25. ‘What do you do with a manager who wins promotion at the first time of asking, inspires your team to hammer their biggest rivals 5-1 and remains on course to fulfil his brief of keeping your team in the Premier League?’

    ‘Sack him, apparently.And who do you replace him with? Well, how about someone who has been fired from his last three jobs and whose biggest achievement in the last four years has been winning the Johnstone’s Paint Trophy.’

    ‘Pardew’s career has only been going in one direction for years, ever since his West Ham side lost the 2006 FA Cup final to Liverpool. While prior to that defeat he had been on an upward trajectory, ever since he has been heading steadily downwards.’

    ‘He covered himself in glory by often dropping Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano to the Upton Park bench in favour of Marlon Harewood and Hayden Mullins.’

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  26. KK there is an alternative view. It may be that you are so blinkered that you fail to give any credit wherever it is due. It may just be possible that Pardew is managing in the EPL because he is actually good enough to do so. He may not be a Champions league manager nobody is suggesting he is. But to label him as a league one reject is to demean the abilities that he has and has demonstrated.

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  27. ‘In August 2010 he was sacked by Southampton, amid reports of low morale among staff.’

    ‘You would expect that after yet another firing, Pardew might legitimately feel his shot at the big time was over. Instead he appears set to land the biggest job of his life.’

    ‘If, as expected, he is named as Newcastle’s new manager, it would neatly sum up the disastrous Ashley regime. A farcical appointment for a farcical owner. How apposite.’

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  28. So Laudrup gets the sack, with Swansea still in the FA cup and Europa League. Sitting in the bottom half but not really in too much danger of relegation with lots of worse clubs below them. Absolute madness. It’s not like they are out of the cups and in the bottom five!

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  29. @Premandup

    Did you want Pardew to be Hughton’s replacement?

    He was sacked by Southampton whilst they were in League One. That makes him a League One reject.

    However, i’ll be kinder. He was sacked by Charlton in the Championship so he’s a Championship reject.

    Do you actually believe Pardew his here because of his merits?

    The truth is he knew Derek Llambias.

    If ever you needed proof that it’s not what you know but who you know, there it is.

    What would you like to give Pardew credit for in his pre NUFC managerial career? The Johnstone’s Paint Trophy? Seriously, what credit does he deserve?

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  30. @DJG

    Is it madness? Swansea have a track record of getting things right.

    If we ignore Laudrup’s very impressive playing career, is he a impressive manager?

    It’s an opinion & obviously it depends entirely on who they replace him with.

    Laudrup out & Mourinho in would not be madness (except for the madness of Mourinho going to Swansea!).

    The point is that it’s perfectly logical to sack a decent manager for a good manager & to sack a good manager for a great manager.

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  31. Prem – there’s no point debating it with KK, anyone would be better than Pardew for him. Most fans I know or meet at games seem to have a longer- term view and see what he’s trying to do with the team as more than mediocre, given that almost all the managers we’ve had in living memory don’t seem to have had any plan.

    If we can’t back him and he can’t continue to develop the team next season as well ( and compete on derby days) then more might agree with KK, but not for now

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  32. He deserves credit for being manager of the year as credited by his peers. He deserves credit for taking NUFC to 2 top 10 finishes assuming we get there this year, only the third manager to achieve that since Joe Harvey.

    How he was appointed is irrelevant he has demonstrated that he is and EPL quality manager by his performances here.

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  33. Gallowgate I agree with you. By the logic being applied then I could argue against just about all the current and recent managers in the EPL as not being good enough.

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  34. Prem – presuming that no one thinks we’ll be getting Wenger or Mourinho, looking at the list of Prem managers who haven’t ‘failed’, it would have to be Rodgers or Pulis then. Don’t think they’d like Pulis though, would they?

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  35. Now he said he is working to formulate a plan to help move on from a stressful few days.

    He said: “A lot of the play went through Yohan.

    “We will have to change our style a bit. Sunderland had better shape than us.

    “They are things we can put right easily for the next game. We are going to have to find a game plan, especially in the next two games, to find a way that works for us.

    So smart **** Pardew why didn’t you do it before the scum game!

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  36. You could argue that Wenger has not achieved enough given the resources at his disposal over the last 8 years, and that Mourinho plays too negative football to be a Newcastle manager. As to Pulis? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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  37. That’s it! The bridge between all opinions on this blog – Pulis for NUFC…

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  38. @GTW

    I don’t think Pardew is better than any other manager in the Premier League although there are some managers at his level (Allardyce etc).

    He’s had 3 years & is the second longest serving manager in the league but you want to give him more time?

    Because historically he’s gotten better as he’s gotten older?? 🙄

    @Premandup
    His appointment is completely relevant. What parts of his pre NUFC career qualified him for the job?

    If we had Allardyce would we be any better or worse? I doubt it.

    Does that mean Allardyce is good enough for us?

    Also most of the managers in the Premier League have been on an upward trajectory.

    None of them were hired after being sacked by a League One club.

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  39. @Premandup

    I’ve already said, Pardew & Mourinho are the same type of managers.

    The difference is, one will almost guarantee you success, the other will almost guarantee to suck the life out of the club.

    How would you argue that Wenger has not achieved enough? He’s achieved more than SFA imo.

    Unless you’re suggesting that Pardew is some sort of Wenger i don’t you know where you going with that point.

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  40. Yes, I want ti give him mo time, because:

    1. it has always taken managers of clubs that need to build teams without megabucks at least that long to build results.

    2. Two top-10 finishes is a good return by Newcastle’s historic standards already, and I don’t believe that a big crowd gives us the divine right to challenge the top-4

    3. We have tried the change manager approach again an again to no success – because it doesn’t work. Even if a manager is average, no manager gets to become better than average without more time than Pardew’s had

    4. Who else in the PL has more than a flash in the pan one-season record, er, apart from the very top sides that’ll be Pulis and Pardew then…

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  41. So is he by your reckoning. Certainly he’s at his biggest club so there moving up from previous appointments. He’s at a par with Alladyce and so presumably Bruce, Hughes, Jol, AVB, Doing better than Haughton, Mauleusteen, Laudrup. Poyet, Rodgers & Lambert appear to be making the grade. Are this lot not good enough either.

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  42. Then there’s letting Wendy Taylor decide which questions he answers because some of them aren’t fair 🙄 Can you imagine SAF, SBR or Mourinho putting up with that bollocks or for that matter Pulis or Allardyce?

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  43. Apparently, after years of either signing Newcastle players or poaching guys we were close to signing, Damian Comolli is now hinting that he wants to be our DOF.

    Well, he has history with us and is French…

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  44. KK I hate Jabba with a passion because of all the **** HE has put our club through, including getting us relegated, changing the name of the ground plastering the place with sd signs, not getting us the players we need, selling our best playersand not getting us a top manager But even I wouldnt dream of making 99% of my post about how **** he is.
    You go on and on about him but you never go on about the idiot that hired him and dont try to tell me that it was all down to Lambsarse for hireing him as Jabba is a control freak and would have had his say.

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  45. We’ll have to give huge credit to Mike Ashley!

    He hired a manager that was & is getting better & better!

    Pardew just needs more time to go back to basics because everybody else in the league has had more time than him 🙄

    He fired Joe Kinnear. Good job Mike!!

    Our balance sheet looks better than ever!!!

    What’s not to like.about the club? Pardew & Mike the dream team!!

    The rest of the league will be jealous… 🙄

    Everything is fantastic.

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  46. @bigdave

    Mike Ashley IS to blame for Pardew.

    I’m pretty sure Llambias hired him but Llambias isn’t there anymore, Joe Kinnear isn’t there any more.

    The sole reason Pardew is still at the club is because of Mike Ashley & some of his fanboys.

    My worry is too many fans get appeased with Joe Kinnear leaving just as they were firghtened when he arrived.

    It’s 1 down but we still have 2 incompetent’s left at the club & i honestly don’t think we’ll be able to progress to our max without one or both of them moving on.

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  47. Like him or hate him Joe obviously knew his Kebabs. 😯 Actually apparently he didn’t and also failed to get maximum value for him from PSG. This makes it likely Ashley actually sacked him but allowed him to say he had resigned. Two incompetents move off in separate directions. Brilliant. 👿

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  48. Doesn’t look like anything will change on communication front. Just asked Lee Ryder if the ban on local press would be lifted now Kinnear has gone and whether it was an Ashley decision. This is his reply.

    @lee_ryder: @4EvaToon No, Lee Charnley sticking with the decision.

    @lee_ryder: @4EvaToon Joint decision.

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  49. Is everybody else feeling as fiscally stable as I am with all that dosh sitting in Mike’s pocket? It’s wonderful to have an owner who’s right on top of things making sure we stay competitive. After all we didn’t need Cabaye anyway. He was only our best midfielder by a country mile and one of the top 3 players we actually owned at the club.

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  50. Trumpet @86

    “So did Pardew deserve some lee-way last year with Europa League taking it’s toll on our squad 😉 Far more injuries as well. And Cisse as our only striker from Jan onwards..”

    I personally think he did; Hes had two full seasons here one good and one bad. I would have given him the chance to put it right and apart from the derbies and the FA cup on the whole i think he has.

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  51. Without investment, no we won’t progress to the max, and there’s not going to be any investment under Ashley. That’s the whole point about Pardew – he’s going to have delivered two top half finishes on negative investment and having his best players sold from under him without replacement. It may not always be pretty, it may not always work, but the chances are heavily that chopping and changing managers with the same financial constraints will get us relegated, and certainly won’t get us any higher up the table. I don’t like the situation, but until we get an owner who is prepared to invest more in the squad our ‘competitive level’ is Everton, forget the top-6. We’re following the pattern Everton followed in becoming regular threats to that top-6, so I don’t buy the ‘we should be doing so much better argument’

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  52. Let me see. If we sell Tiote, Krul, Cisse, Ben Arfa, Colo and possibly Debuchy in the summer that should bring in another 50M pounds or so. Then we rid ourselves of Obertan, Gosling, and Amalfitano. So that’s 9 fewer players to pay on top of the dosh and we’ve reduced the senior squad nicely. Then bring in 3 players in replacement (cheap ones of course). The wage bill drops and the club is nice and tidy and efficient and an extra 50M for Mike. Beautiful. Does he really need a DoF after all? All Pards has to do is make sure we finish no lower than 17th. Imagine how fiscally stable we’ll be then. 😆

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  53. I’ve got this ownership thing all sussed out. Really it’s very simple. And the net negative spend is absolutely tremendous. Spout a bit of bollocks now and then through Pardew and keep on selling baby! Beautiful. 👿

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  54. All the other owners have it completely wrong. The key is an absolutely huge net negative spend. And some bollocks through a manager that is kept completely in the dark. The DoF wasn’t helping cover Ashley’s trail so he had to go. It’s so simple really. I’m surprised other owners haven’t cottoned on to the Method. 🙂

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  55. The Ashley Method will be with us for a while yet. Any guesses on who will be the next DoF or Managing Director? I’m not sure Krusty the Clown is available or we would have snapped him up already. Still there’s bound to be another splendidly competent person (as Joe was) available somewhere in the casinos in London? Can we not have Carr scour France for a DoF while on a pub crawl? This will take some creative thinking. Possibly time for another pissup on the yacht?

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  56. GTW@136, I understand what you say but I don’t feel we are like Everton, we aren’t like any club in the PL for one simple reason – ambition. That word is apparent at every club bar us imo. We are the only club not taking the cups seriously, there was no reason not to play a stronger team against Cardiff, with no relegation threat or Europa to contend with it’s inexcusable not to have given them a good go . And now it would seem an Europa challenge is off the cards having sold Cabs and not replaced him thereby weakening our attacking threat. Our season was over the day we went out the cup and sold him, but hey the coffers will be nice and full come may so Pards is on course to make Mike proud . If I was Pards I would be making it very clear how I and my team have been undermined by incompetent ownership ,that he can’t/won’t speaks volumes.

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  57. •How he privately claimed Newcastle were going to sign Mohamad Salah last month for £25 million AFTER a deal had been struck with Chelsea for less than half that figure.
    •How he told punters in the Hilton Hotel the night before Newcastle were beaten by Manchester City in January that he had £20 million to spend on a striker, a boast that reached and infuriated owner Mike Ashley.
    •How he struggled with technology and had endless problems with his mobile phone.
    •How he got the name of his own defender Shane Ferguson muddled up with former midfielder Stephen Ireland and called him Shane Ireland.
    •How he claimed on a train earlier this season as he headed to watch a Newcastle match that he had to call off a drinking night with Bobby Moore to wine and dine the Supremes.
    •How he told fans not to worry about selling Tim Krul because he had three world class goalkeepers lined up.
    •And more damagingly how he then agreed a fee for midfielder Yohan Cabaye that was less than the £25 million the club wanted.
    Above is part of a nice little piece in the Independent about our brilliant DoF Joe the Donkey Kinnear.

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  58. I love stories about Joe the Donkey. Does anybody else have some? Surely we should pass them around now to celebrate his leaving the club. Possibly Mike could add a few special memories as well. Mike?

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  59. G2 ,What I can’t fathom is surely Mike realised he was mentally unhinged, he’s always been outspoken and terrible with players names and foul mouthed and no doubt terribly effected by the loss of his son but friendship is not a good enough reason to employ someone. For someone so astute in business his football decisions baffle me. 😕

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  60. Ahhh, you misunderstand the Ashley Method Kimtoon mate. First, always hire people who know less about football than you do so you don’t feel inferior. Second, always infuriate the supporters as much as possible. Third, always mislead everyone at the club about the role everybody else plays to keep them all on their toes. Then at the last minute of the window sell a player for plenty of dosh. Beautiful. 😆

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  61. I liked the one about him trying to ring Arsene Wenger while Arsenal were playing in the champions league 😆

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