The inquests continue in the wake of the 0-4 reverse against Tottenham on Wednesday evening with every one at the club from top to bottom taking some form of blame in some way or another.
The players were awful on Wednesday evening and looked as though they didn’t care or had started planning their summer jollies/transfers already. That just isn’t good enough and while Alan Pardew must take some of the blame for failing to motivate his players, they are still all mainly professional international players so should be able to motivate themselves to a degree considering the sums of money they earn compared to the rest of us.
Tactically I’m no wizard so I’m not going to get into all of that. Players were played in the correct positions but nightmare performances from the likes of Davide Santon and a trio of handling errors from Tim Krul are hard to prepare for and will negate the most sound of tactical plans.
The issue I see is one that the club have made themselves. The sale of Yohan Cabaye will have hurt the players as they watched a player who had become a dressing room influence fly back across Le Manche to PSG. It would have probably hurt a lot more when they saw that NO replacement was brought in for him. Again though we get back to those players left behind retaining some form of professional standards.
This couldn’t care attitude needs to halt but there is only so much Alan Pardew, or any manager to be fair, can do when the club comes out and basically says we have no ambition to even try and win a trophy and that our only aim is to stay in the Premier League but miss out on Europe because it is an inconvenience to the club.
What sort of message does that send out to fans, players, potential players? To me football is about trying to win things and whilst it’s impossible for everyone to win something every season there is no harm in at least trying is there?
It’s demotivated me if I’m being honest. To know that the club you’ve poured your heart and soul into for 30 years in my case is not bothered about anything but mediocrity hurts. To know there is seemingly no will to get better, to strive to achieve success hurts. To question why you bother with the club in it’s current state hurts.
I think I know exactly why the club said what they said, and that was to take the heat off of Alan Pardew but it won’t last for long. All they’ve succeeded in doing in the process is turning a large portion of the fanbase off. I mean why should they bother if the club doesn’t want to bother?
Moan over…
@sharpy17
Keegan had the backing but SBR was treated terribly by Freddie during his time.
He had to qualify out of the Champions League group stage just to get a decent centre back & i remember him complaining that he wasn’t told how long a player had on his contract & players just skipping him & going straight to freddie.
Last season with europa league we still should have finished in the top 10.
This season we have better players & should be in the mix for europe or alternatively still in the cup.
Pardew is not some poor sod with his hands tied. He has a group of good players that are better than what the majority of managers in the league have.
Pardew AND Ashley are the problem at the club. It’s not one or the other. They’re both **** & both need to go.
If you back one then you should back the other.
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@cc
My post at 601 is for you too.
KK(Quote)
KK – that’s your opinion and I know I’ve heard it often enough.
Pardew hasn’t been backed and with respect I think you may rate some of our players higher than they are to be perfectly honest.
I don’t think Pardew is a top manager but I also think that with better backing we would have achieved better league finishes.
To say back one, back both is just petulant
Sharpy17(Quote)
If most on here agree that although Pards isn’t a master tactician and is working with hands tied behind his back because of the owner then does that mean everyone is happy to stick with Pards no matter what ?. Is it acceptable to lose to the mackems 3 times in a row?, go out of the cups at the first hurdle every year and leave some of most creative players on the bench until the last 10 minutes. For all the **** that Jabba dumps on us at the days end it is Pards who has to organise and motivate a team to go out and get a result albeit in difficult circumstances. We may disagree on the ability of individual players but we do have a very good core group there and there is no reason for us to be losing as badly as we have been, not when we have players starting who really should not be, that’s down to Pards not Jabba. Finally, I wouldn’t stick with a manager for fear of who comes next that makes no sense to me when we aren’t doing too well anyway. Without proper backing come summer he will struggle big time next season , maybe another manager would fair better who knows, fear of the unknown is not an acceptable reason to stick with Pards. Most of us want Jabba gone but what if the next owner is a bigger ****, yet that doesn’t put us off wanting him gone so why does it apply to Pards ? .
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CC@598 Says
“Hey ho you’ll get your wish soon enough when the Dave Bassett or Lawrie Sanchez revolution is underway and with the inevitable abysmal results at least we’ll still have something to play for in march… 🙄 ”
That’s a ridiculous statement , mate, do you honestly really believe either of those two would be installed as manager 😯
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@kmtoon – 604
Spot on! That’s exactly how i feel about it.
I can’t understand why some people are quick to defend Pardew by blaming Ashley. They’re both rubbish but Pardew is responsible for our perfomance on matchday – not colo or cabaye. The buck stops with the manager.
@sharpy17
I don’t see how it is petulant.
If some fans are happy with the job pardew has done then they have to give credit to Ashley for sticking with Pardew despite people like me calling for him to be sacked.
Is there anyone happy to say Ashley has done a good thing by sticking with Pardew?
KK(Quote)
Kim – I’m not happy to settle for Pardew, but I’d want Ashley gone before him given the choice.
A new manager may get more out of our player, but would they get the finacial backing from Ashley – I doubt it.
So what would that probably mean?, well the new manager gets our players playing well and we move up 3 league positions to 6th – but our now better performing players start attracting attention from other clubs. Before we know it our better players are sold off and not properly replaced – how long does our new super duper manager stick round for then?.
Which better manager wants to work under Ashley?. Which DoF or Chairman has sent in their CVs to Ashley because they see working for Big Mike as a terrific opportunity to raise their profile?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
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KIM@604 I agree totely with you as per normal lol
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Kim
No but incredibly both were suggested by Wise and Jiminez after Keegan resigned.
Ashley hasnt made a sensible appointment at board or coaching level since buying the club. He brought KK (Love the man but it made no sense) and Kinnear back after long absences from the game, Dug pardew up from the league 1 scrapheap, Hughton from carrying cones and Shearer from the motd sofa.
His director of football choices have been disasters and even the people who have run the club for him have had to learn on their feet with no knowledge of the sport. God knows who will come in, I dont doubt that there are better out there than Pardew but there are plenty worse.
CC(Quote)
KK – Ashley brought JFK in to replace DL. If he had brought him in to replace AP instead, would you have seen that as a good move?.
You may have preferred Martinez or someone like that, but as I said to Kim, do you really believe that Martinez would want to work for Ashley?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
so Lee Clark and terry Mac have split at Brum also D Fazackaly has left his coaching job too SBR old mucker,just a thought could he be heading to the toon to take job of ressie coach. ???
icedog(Quote)
Sharpy , Well you can ask all those question but the truth is nobody knows the real answers do they. We assume just because Jabba is a **** that as CC implies we’ll get a Sanchez or Bassett 🙄 or god forbid JK back, but he could surprise us with a good manager whom he was more inclined to back ,or he could revert to type and hire a dud and not back him. I don’t know where the sense would be in the latter since in all likely hood we’d end up relegated 🙄 then his advertising and club value would plummet .
Sharpy, I’m confused by this comment “So what would that probably mean?, well the new manager gets our players playing well and we move up 3 league positions to 6th – but our now better performing players start attracting attention from other clubs. Before we know it our better players are sold off and not properly replaced – how long does our new super duper manager stick round for then?.”
So are you now saying we better hope none of our players excel or they will all be sold?, because if this is where we are at then there really is no point bothering at all, because the alternative is mediocre players just doing enough to get us sitting around 10th every season and that is soul destroying mate. Don’t we want some scintillating passages of play to really get us off our seats , you only really get that with decent players though don’t you. 😉
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@KK
You don’t understand why people are quick to defend Pardew by blaming Ashley.?
I don’t understand how you can’t work it out. It’s been explained to you dozens of times, so the fact you don’t understand, is more a reflection on you and your inability to grasp the simplest of things. 🙄
Troy Stavers(Quote)
nobody that has any backbone would work for jabba unless he had a big change of heart,and KK found that it he won’t, con them yes,back them no
icedog(Quote)
Ice@612 ,Yes mate, that crossed my mind when I read it just now too.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Troy ,No one denies Jabba has been less than impressive with his backing for Pards but It really IS down to Pards to play his best in form and creative players, outwit the opposing manager with his tactics and motivate the team when the odds are against them. The fact is he is often found wanting is a major concern ,I really think he’s run his race with us now.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Incidentally, if Ashley did get rid of Pardew I don’t believe for one second that he’d try and replace him with a better footballing manager.
It would be someone cheap and out of work.
That’s why I want Ashley gone before we start thinking of changes managers. Pardew may not represent total football but he does represent stability under a very erratic owner who so far has made more **** poor decisions than good ones.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy , Yes without doubt the best scenario is Jabba gone too.
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@Kim
If you had to manage the squad he has and the selling of his star players then I believe you too would encounter the same problems.
We are currently 9th in the league which is a fair reflection of our squads capabilities.
If you followed Chelsea or Arsenal then I guess you would be complaining about the tactics and abilities of Mourinho & Wenger.
Some Chelsea fans don’t understand the selling of Mata and the bad treatment of Ashley Cole.
We all know the gripes of Arsenal fans about Wenger.
Pardew is on target with our league position. That means he’s managed the squad in a decent manner.
How you motivate a team when your most influential player is sold and not replaced, is a thankless task.
Some like yourself seem to think it should be easy done. I disagree. Pards has had the rug pulled and he’s trying to recover.
I’m sure he will get the team spirit back again as he has been through this before and achieved it.
We have hit rock bottom on a few occasions caused by Ashley but Pards always seems to pull it back round. I would give him time. He’s got us in a decent league position and deserves time to turn it round again.
Again, til the next time the rug is pulled again. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
KIM @617 that’s what I keep banging on about,but some don’t seem to grasp it. 😕 😕 😕
icedog(Quote)
If Ashley is looking to sell come summer then yes keep Pards , let the new owner install his team.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Ice, I know mate, head and brick wall spring to mind. 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim – I know noone knows the answer to those questions, u can only base it off what Ashley has done in the past. If he was going to get that better manager in, why not do it when he was replacing Hughton?.
Did he get the better person in when replacing DL?.
As for the 2nd part of it, yes I do think that’s where we are to be honest. I don’t like it but I think that under Ashley that’s exactly where we are!.
A top manager will look at it and think, have they replaced Ba?, have they replaced Cabaye?.
You take Remy and De Jong out of our squad and does it really look that strong a squad?.
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Troy is it acceptable to suffer 3 straight losses to the Scum?, are we saying we have inferior players to them now 😉 Of course not , how could he not get them up for that game ,any of the games, it’s not good enough, bloody hell this time they rolled over and had their bellies tickled. 👿
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@KK
I’ve just read back your previous posts.
I , like Stuart79 have never stated we think Pardew has done a wonderful job.
You love misquoting people. It’s a very poor habit of yours. You must change.
I’ve always stated he’s an average manager who has done a decent job considering the squad and rug pulling that he’s had to endure.
I’m just of the opinion that if he was sacked, Ashley will appoint an even worse manager.
I would rather oust Ashley than Pardew. He is the source of the mediocrity we are witnessing, which I’ve professed would happen from day 1.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Sharpy ,well if that is where we are then , Pards needs to grow a pair and walk and let every one know his reasons like KK. Shame the fat **** into selling up.
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@Kim
Quite simply. The most influential player in the dressing room was sold days earlier and not replaced.
I don’t know if you’ve been a team but if you lose one of your major colleagues or players and they aren’t replaced then motivation is a very rare commodity to find at such times.
It’s a perfectly understandable result for me. It’s strange, but many toon fans were predicting a defeat prior to the game due to the sale of Cabaye, yet when it happens some seem surprised.
Strange how some don’t understand such things as huge kicks in the knackers from bosses, results in demotivated staff. I’ve seen it a thousand times and I’ll see it a thousand times again.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Pardew has now had over three years. There’s no progress, no improvement. A whole clutch of players have gone backwards in form and a promising bunch of kids 3 years ago have evaporated. Will we get to 46 points from 3 years ago? I doubt it. And people are still asking for Pardew to be given time 🙄
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Troy . I’m the first to admit losing Cabs was a blow, but they are all paid handsomely to go out and perform on the day ,they and Pards have a duty to every single fan to put on a good show, what’s the expression the show must go on. If Les had lost his favourite shorts and cape would it have stopped him beating his opponent ? not a chance if I remember rightly or was I watching someone else on Saturday afternoons 😆
KIMTOON(Quote)
Troy You didn’t answer @625 we still had Cabs then 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
KK – I can smell the burning rubber from your shoes you back tracked so fast on the league placings… 😆
Stuart79(Quote)
It’s clear there are two points of view here:
1) We should be cautious/defensive & stick with Pardew until Mike Ashley leaves.
2) We should take our chances & venture into the unknown. Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
Oddly enough, you see one of those two approaches in most managers.
Some like Pardew, Allardyce & Pulis are naturally defensive.
Others like Keegan, SBR & Wenger want to take risks.
It’s a game of football ffs!
If it’s not beautiful or enjoyable, if there is no victory or pride in the effort & performance – why bother at all.
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@Stuart79
Back track? You didn’t read my post did you 🙄
I said we should have 45pts-50pts. That means we should be 6th, not 9th.
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@stuart79
I think we lack players who burn rubber when they run. Seriously, i don’t think we have any players with searing pace.
Perhaps i should try out 😆 😆
KK(Quote)
“The Newcastle club now has no interest on that side, the fans, the team and we talk about it a lot through all my friends and the ex-players I know.
“Until they leave that football club, it has no interest for me.
“They are not that football club. They are just the custodians who are in for a few years.
“It might be five, 10 or six.
“But Newcastle United will go on after Mike Ashley.”
That’s how i feel but at the playing level, fans should not be supporting stuff that they’re not happy with.
I’m happy with the group of players we have so i support them. If we had Ranger at the club, i would not support him.
I’m not happy with the coaches, Pardew or Mike Ashley so i won’t back any of them.
Just my opinion
KK(Quote)
KK right or wrong you have your views and that’s your right mate,so stick to them,if everybody was of the same mind it would be sad world,but if its proved by FACT then fair enough,anyway that’s just my take on it
icedog(Quote)
On top of my 3 years is too long argument I can count on the fingers of one hand how many really good performances there have been. Even when we win we look ****.
georgio(Quote)
Previously you said quite clearly we should be 7th/8th.
Now it’s what points we should have. If you’re counting points we should have then we should discount the ones we shouldn’t really have like the 3 we got at Spurs, or the 3 at Man Utd as they’re not exactly happy hunting grounds for us and are bonus points.
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What is wrong at United? Quite a few things sadly. Poor ownership, lack of direction, ambition or leadership, continual movement of executives in and out of the club. And that’s just for starters. Then there’s the manager and the squad itself. An indecisive, mediocre manager with a small fairly weak coaching staff. A squad that has been too small and lacking in talent since Ashley arrived. Unsettled players. Point the finger where it belongs, straight at Ashley. 👿
GeordieTwo(Quote)
A sad weekend saying goodbye to a good friend. These types of days seem to be coming all too often now. It makes you focus on the important things in life though. Friends, and family.
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Georgio @638, Spot on mate, I said as much the other day, I haven’t really seen us get a comprehensive win in terms of playing a team off the pitch. The stoke win was because they went down to 9 and rightly so but up to the first red you would have to concede that they were playing better than us. 😳
Ice@637 ,Agree, that’s what the blog is for.
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So many problems with an unsettled team. Santon should sit for a few games. Ben Arfa needs to get back into shape. We need Colo back to partner Willo. Hopefully Remy will start scoring straight away as there aren’t many other goals in the team other than Gouffran. There won’t be anywhere to hide this summer Ashley.
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Kim – what would be the point in Pardew walking? – and even if he did do you really think that would be the catalyst for Ashley to sell.
There’s a major component in the sale of NUFC and that’s a buyer.
Ashleys attitude towards player recruitment is right player, right price, but selling the club would simply boil down to right price.
If Pardew walked or was sacked all I predict happening is a merry go round of managers again, is that better than keeping Pardew?.
A new manager may improve things short term, but once Ashley refuses to release funds for new players, the new manager will leave and so it begins.
KK/Kim – who is this savour manager that you have in mind if you don’t mind me asking?
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G2,@641, hope it all went off ok.
Have an anxcious wait on some blood test, been getting a lot of bruises lately and woke up sunday morning with one the size of a small saucer which was Black,navy and purple 😯 Wasn’t there Saturday night at midnight but there sunday am at 7am and I hadn’t knocked my arm ,right on the bicep, very odd place to get such a whopper. Nurse took one look at it and the others and took blood straight away, bit worried tbh. 🙁
KIMTOON(Quote)
That does sound strange Kimtoon. Possibly you bumped it while asleep? Sometimes I get knocks and don’t even notice until the bruise shows up. Best to get the tests done though lass.
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Sharpy ,new manager, tough to call I’ll admit as probably need to look abroad as most English managers are cack and I don’t know enough about foreign managers but that’s where a top DOF would come in is it not 😉
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It was called a celebration of life instead of a funeral service Kimtoon. It was like a wake in some ways. We sat and reminisced and looked at a slide show of many happy occasions from the past. It was a happy/sad event all in one. Her spouse still looks to be in shock as it’s only about 3 weeks since she passed away.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
G2 ,A horse would need to of got in bed and kicked me to produce that bruise ,it is absolutely horrendous, when my girl saw it on sunday she actually recoiled and put her hands to her face in shock. The nurse said it’s as bad a bruise she’s ever seen for no explanation. Last time I had one like that it was twice as big but on the outer thigh after I fell on hard ice so I knew what caused it and I had a dead leg with it too.
KIMTOON(Quote)
How would Ashley deal with another 16th place finish next season? Would that be fine with him since it means we won’t get relegated? Just keep on the same path bouncing around between say 10th and 16th? Is that what we want for the club? I think Ashley would take it in a heartbeat. Oh and no ambition or progress in cups of course
GeordieTwo(Quote)
G2 @648, Poor man
KIMTOON(Quote)
Well the doc has just rang me, lab have phoned through my results my platelet level is 9 and should be 150 ish 😯 , he’s now phoning the blood docs and some others and gonna phone me back. Now I’m really worried.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Geordie – Ashley’s only intention is to stay in the PL. 16th will be fine.
Stuart79(Quote)
Has the FOOL been sacked yet?
TonyGreenSupreme(Quote)
You mean has the fool been sacked by the other fool TGS mate? We have so many fools at the club it’s hard to keep track. At least Joe is gone. 😆
GeordieTwo(Quote)
That does sound odd Kimtoon @649. I’ve never heard of anything like it. Hopefully the tests are informative.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
KIM hope things go OK keep updated,if OK I will tell you how to shift bruises in two days. 😉
icedog(Quote)
Vince McMahon buying toon… 🙄
Stuart79(Quote)
Troy,
For someone who thought Cabaye was massively overated you sure are making plenty of excuses for Pardew seen as though Cabaye is the only player we’ve lost and we’ve gone from playing decently to playing pathetically.
Don’t you think its **** poor that a manager only realises he needs a new game plan once he’s lost a player he knew wanted out for six months.
What if Cabaye got injured.
Do you think our squad is that bad it warrants getting thumped at home to the Scum? Getting walloped by Spuds 4-0. And scraping draws against very mediocre sides?
Pardew has lost the dressing room and he was average at best anyway.
We have nothing to lose by replacing him now. No one could do a worse job at this point in time.
He can’t motivate himself, let alone sulky Frenchmen whi don’t suit his style of play.
JJ(Quote)
STUART. ??????
icedog(Quote)
Just a little rumour going round 🙂
Stuart79(Quote)
His due dilligence must be taking a while, he was “rumoured” to be buying NUFC 2 or 3 years ago 🙄
richietoon(Quote)
*diligence* 😳
richietoon(Quote)
Has the guy much cash like???,don’t know him
icedog(Quote)
Vince McMahon is worth less that Ashley.
For him to purchase the club he’d have to shell out 20% of his net worth.
Don’t see that happening. Unless he comes in with partners.
JJ(Quote)
JJ cheers mate what’s he into,just being nosey???
icedog(Quote)
Ice,
I only know him from WWE (American Pro Wrestling) as a kid as the awkward old guy who occasionally dressed in a leotard and got all oiled up to shout and spit at people in the ring. 😆
Think he’s the president now of World Wrestling Entertainment.
Troy is a big wrestling fan. Maybe he’ll know.
JJ(Quote)
This blog has been about wrestling all afternoon.
Kim mentioned Les (Kellett) in her debate with Troy and made wrestling history.
It is usual to win by 2 falls OR a KO.
Kim won by 2 falls AND a KO. 😆
sidekick(Quote)
JJ awkward old guy eh,aye sounds like TROY,he’s sure to know him. 😆
icedog(Quote)
I hunk Vince is a bit of a character like. Wrestling at half time anyone?
I wouldn’t think he’d make an investment of this size without any partners. Imagine it’s bollocks!
Stuart79(Quote)
Ice,
I guess 68 is quite young for some on this blog. Need to mind my tongue. 😛
JJ(Quote)
JJ has your parent bit improved for you lately mate
icedog(Quote)
JJ,
Vince McMahon has owned WWE since the early 80’s. He is responsible for Hulk Hogan, The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin and all the big names. He is a marketing genius. He would increase advertising revenues infinitely.
He is looking to double the money WWE receives for their TV deal right now and he will likely get it. He is also starting a Netflix-esque “WWE Network” that will have every match WWE has ever had available to stream.
He also ***** communication and charisma so he is the exact opposite of Ashley. We could do worse than ol’ Vinny Mac. Shame the story is a long term myth.
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Ice,
I’m seeing him twice a week at my ex’s place Ice,
Still haven’t been able to take him anywhere or even have her bring him to my home but I’ve seen the lawyers twice in the past month. They are very confident by April when he turns 2, I’ll finally get full shared custody. Even if its enforced by the court.
Can’t wait to introduce him to my friends and family. Its been an incredibly long two years. Even her own lawyers don’t want to represent her anymore. She has moved from one lawyer to the next and it keeps slowing the process down.
JJ(Quote)
FJ,
I’m not saying he won’t make a good owner. Like you say. If he can market something that’s fake, then I’m sure he can market the biggest sport in the world.
Problem is. Its a big chunk of money for him. So don’t think he’d risk that amount of money. It’d be a huge gamble for him. He, unlike Ashley doesn’t seem like the gambling type. He’s actually a good businessman. Not a fluke.
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