FLIP FLOPS OR TURNING POINT ?

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After the shambolic display at Everton there needed to be a vast improvement against Arsenal. Newcastle were rightly slated by fans and pundits alike, given Evertons form of late and mid week outing in Europe it wasn’t out the way to have expected a point or 3 from that game. Newcastle being Newcastle don’t do things the easy way though and simply didn’t show up on the day with Gary Lineker suggesting they already had their flip flops on for the summer.
It’s pretty safe to assume the majority of us were expecting a proper mauling at the hands of an in form Arsenal and some fans even said they wouldn’t watch such was the worry it could be a very embarrassing scoreline. Well what a pleasant surprise we got, ok we lost and we did fall apart for the two goals in that crazy 5 minute spell but second half we were outstanding and truth be told no one could of complained if we’d gotten a point from the game.
I’m still baffled how we can go from being utterly useless as a unit to completely united in one game but this isn’t the only time this has happened, we also saw it under Pardew. The funny thing is that under Pardew we would be great first half and awful the second, leading many to wonder what got said at halftime!
John Carver came out after the match to say how proud of the players he was and rightly so. What ever he said at half time, and he alluded to comments about pride in the shirt, it certainly worked. The difference was simply amazing, especially considering this was a patched up team.
So is this a turning point, do we actually have a team capable of attacking and creating chances and goals that get bums off seats? Or was this just a flash in the pan performance bought about by the fear of yet more ridicule from the fans and pundits? Is there actually some pride and sense of something to play for or are we deluding ourselves?
St James Park was rocking second half on saturday and I for one haven’t heard such noise for a long time. This cannot of gone unnoticed by our owner who was watching in the stands. I wonder how much he wants that atmosphere every home game? Just a couple of astute transfers of real quality in the summer and no more daft loans and sales and we could yet have a team to get back that wonderful atmosphere on a regular basis and maybe even turn St James Park back into a fortress again.

By KIMTOON

287 thoughts on “FLIP FLOPS OR TURNING POINT ?

  1. G2 – Jabba won’t even have given it a thought. He couldn’t care less as long as we’re still in the PL.

    I find it difficult to imagine him getting embarrassed about anything.

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  2. The issue with Coloccini is that we never brought a strong CB to take place of the injured Steven Taylor, so we sticked with Willo, other mistake we made was bringing Yanga Mbiwa who was never the type of Cb needed, when we were crying for a Shawcross type of Cb.

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  3. Yes, it’s a long shot Stuart mate. To be that uncaring about our club. To play mind games with us over and over again. To have no football ambition. Yet the supporters stay strangely silent and do nothing to impact him. It’s a tragedy to see the club sink slowly.

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  4. Well I’ve decided to throw my hat into the ring as new head coach. Here’s my CV:
    Strong leadership qualities. Led a herd of yaks to their favourite feeding ground.
    Set a manly example for the players: flared nostrils, jutting jaw, fine home grown chest hair, etc. etc.
    Don’t take no for an answer: willing to fong the owner, man of strong convictions, merciless when necessary.
    Confidence builder: bring a starving pack of honey badgers to the training sessions. Highly motivational for endurance.
    Well that’s just a little taste lads. What do you think? Will I get the job?

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  5. Oh and I have some modern knowledge of football Mike, as compared with Johnny C. and Joe Kinnear.

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  6. Now a brief prayer mates:
    Give us this day our daily footy.
    And forgive us our cursing,
    As we forgive those that trespass against us (except Mike)
    And lead us not into relegation
    But deliver us from the evil one.
    Amen.

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  7. Williamson is likeable G2 that’s why he always gets picked nothing to do with performance. Mikey likes him because his cheap and cheerful a bit like no frills crisps

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  8. It is just plain wrong what they did to Jonas, and they were all in on it I bet – Ashley, Lliambas and Pardew. My guess is that Pards was informed of the contract situation and asked to do the dirty work. He is still a c@nt though as he has about as much tact as a sledgehammer cracking a nut.

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  9. I stand before you today mates wearing my fabled Thong of Truthiness. Yes, and I say again unto ye Ashley must go! Now a lot of you are probably shaking your heads right now and saying that G2 is completely mental! But no!!!!! It has been scientifically proven that I am only 99.97% mental! Harrumph!!!

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  10. I think the main problems with Williamson is that he is scared of the ball and hoofs it whenever an opposition player is within 15 yards of him to our 5 foot 8 attackers. That and the head tennis means we never clear our lines and invite the opposition back onto us if they have anything about them. To be fair, Krul does the same thing but at least he is OK at his main job (mostly).

    If we had a target man these tactics might work and Williamson and Krul would be a better fit.

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  11. Eric I agree that Pards was probably left to do the others dirty work, asone of his main jobs was to be Jabba abuse deflector, cause while he was there he was getting most of the **** and abuse that Jabba should have been getting.

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  12. Big D: it reminds me of that old joke: Pardew lines up all of the NUFC players on the training ground. He says “all those who still have a job take one step forward”. “What do you think you are doing Jonas, get back in line”.

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  13. We should get rid of (supply name). We should buy (supply name). No thought whatever for the career of the the player, or their personal circumstances. Holy Gutierrez, Batman. Looks like a case of treating people like commodities.

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  14. I think the original joke was that a recruit’s father had died and the Seargent Major is asked to break the news to Private Smith. So he lines up all the recruits on the Parade Ground and says – all those who still have a father take one step forward, where do you think you are going Private Smith.

    It just reminded me of the subtlety of Pards when he told Jonas to go find himself another club.

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  15. The way the club treated Jonas was just typical of their lack of moral fibre and money is everything approach. Just sad really.

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  16. BrisV: all I can go by is the reports. I was making a little bit of fun of a sad situation, that’s all. Strange comment @168.

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  17. BrisV: since it is morning in Australia you might want to crawl back into bed and get out the other side.

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  18. Eric, do you really think that Pardew called Jonas into the office and said ‘go find another club’ and that was all? Do you not think that the conversation would have been a bit more in-depth than that?

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  19. Eric maybe Pards was better doing the regimes dirty work, as you know how nasty Lambastad and co can be.
    As for 167 believe it or not I know of that happening for real πŸ˜•

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  20. BrisV: there was probably more to it but I am commenting on direct quotes from Jonas, and that is all I have to go on since Pards didn’t refute it and I wasn’t there as you so astutely pointed out.

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  21. Bris – does it really matter who said it or how it was said though mate? – it was absolutely the wrong thing to do and showed just how much the decision makers put money above morals.

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  22. Dave – especially when you consider the cause of the cancer was a direct result of him playing for us!!.
    I wouldn’t fix it but it would be nice to see someone from the club come out and acknowledge that they totally let Jonas down

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  23. Sharpy: I think Jonas’ injury was totally coincidental to his cancer mate. I am not a medical expert so will stand corrected if someone with more knowledge on this says otherwise.

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  24. Sharpy: Sure, the upshot of the message was probably based on financial matters. Telling people they are redundant is a difficult message to give and is almost always about finances.

    However, the high moral ground, the universal value judgements based on a line in a newspaper about how the message was given, is farcical at best, and a very sad indictment of critical thinking. The stance is based on nothing more than preexisting malice and is an exercise in self-justification.

    That sort of thing pisses me off, so I thought I’d highlight it.

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  25. BrisV: it is based on a direct quote from Jonas not on a line in a newspaper article. I think you might be getting confused about what “critical thinking” is. Jonas said it and it was reported in a newspaper. You can question Jonas’ motives but it has nothing to do with whether I, or anybody else have a predisposition to not like Pardew, Ashley or Lliambas. Jonas said it, until someone refutes it or proves Jonas is a liar, what “critical thinking” needs to be involved?

    If someone turns a light on in a room, I don’t have to have been in that room to believe they turned the light on. Sometimes you can take their word for it unless there was someone else there that disputes the fact they turned the light on.

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  26. Am I predisposed to think ill of Pardew? Probably. However that has nothing to do with what Jonas said. I didn’t start out disliking Pardew unlike some others on The Chronicle site, a blogger called AndyMac and another called Utd111. It was a combination of awful football, death spirals and utter gobstitery that made me dislike him.

    However, I can listen to arguments from Troysta and Stuart that present a semi-valid alternative view. Being condescended to by you, Bris Vegas, about not using critical thinking is a bit, well, condescending.

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  27. Yes, Jonas said those words in the quote. And as no other words were quoted by the paper they must have been the exact and only words spoken.

    Jonas couldn’t possibly have been editorialising a lengthy meeting.

    Good onya. Your critical faculties have been vindicated.

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  28. Direct quotes from Jonas’ Canal+ interview:

    β€œI returned mid-November (2013) and at the beginning to mid-December the manager said I should find myself another club, that it was best. I understand a lot of things about football that, well, that for the directors it is a business, no?
    β€œIt is clear that they look after the club’s interests, but I think in a situation like that, you need to save (consider) other things, even more as I had been playing for five years before having this problem. I was always playing.”

    Now where was he misquoted in any newspaper? Where is the rebuttal from NUFC or Pardew? I think my “critical faculties have been vindicated” if all you can come up with is another snide remark. I actually think repeating exactly what Jonas said is a lot better of an argument than you hypothesizing that there was much more said in the meeting. WERE YOU THERE, and if not doesn’t that not defeat your spouting of earlier @168. CRITICAL THINKING MY ARSE. Next thing you will be telling me that Aussie (no) rules football makes any sense.

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  29. And another thing. Jonas said that Pards essentially said to him – go and find yourself another job (see 184 above). Well, the result was that Jonas found himself another job. Now what part of your critical thinking brain would doubt that that was the gist of their conversation BrisV?

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  30. Oh… and I have never understood Aussie (no) Rules Football. What sort of game makes the Ref the centre of attention with their stupid gesticulations and after the real stuff from the stars has just happened on the field? And what about the wife-beater t-shirts and impossibly short and tight shorts? The rest of the world has moved on and Oz is still stuck in ’80s attire. Judging by one of them on here who appears to have the IQ of a wombat, I am not surprised.

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  31. Eric, Eric, Eric. πŸ™„

    Look, I’m not doubting Jonas’s claim, nor am I saying the media misquoted him. And I have no doubt at all that the message Jonas was given was that he had to go. And I agree that it was shabby treatment.

    I don’t agree that there is enough evidence about what went on in the entirety of the meeting to say with certainty that Pardew did not handle it well. That’s all. Nothing else (well, apart from these leaps of faith being a common occurrence on the blog – consequently the comment about critical thinking, which I stand by)

    And for the record, I also think Aussie Rules is ****. πŸ˜‰

    So you can put your knees down now; your goolies are safe. πŸ˜†

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  32. Alright BrisV. Glad we are clear now. I just thought you were hurling an uncalled for insult and my reaction is to reply in kind sometimes. No worries though and I and glad to hear that some Aussies think Aussie Rules is strange.

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  33. Are we really in any doubt as to how he was treated or what was said to him? Given the clubs PR record to date and Percy’s huge capacity for foot in mouth, I should think it’s a given that the truth is out.

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  34. I was always under the impression that the powers at be informed Jonas to find a new club before they knew he had cancer. He did have a spell at Norwich and was told in the summer to find a new club.

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  35. Eric: “I just thought you were hurling an uncalled for insult …”

    Not me, mate. I never do that. Every insult I hurl is most definitely called for. πŸ˜†

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  36. Kim I am under the impression Mikey wanted to lower the wage bill and promised Pardew a better replacement. His form was terrible the season we finished 16th and some fans wanted him out before anyone knew he had cancer. I’m not saying it was handled but only Pardew and Jonas know all the facts.

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  37. Stem from what I can read he and the club knew before Norwich, it was just that he didnt want to make it public. Why else would Jonas say he will never forgive the regime ? .
    Remember it was after seeing the club doctor twice that he went to see him again because of the swelling, then he was sent to see a specialist who confirmed he had cancer.
    I will believe Jonas 100 % because the club has proved before how they treat people.

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  38. Dave – what I don’t understand and is that it was the third time seeing the Doc that he finally got his ultra scan?!. Why aren’t they doing that on the first or second occasion – baring in mind they go on about catching cancer early. If you or I went to our GPs, I’d probably expect to get fobbed off, but the medical access at NUFC should be checking things out fully straight away.

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  39. Sharpy God knows mate, you couldnt make it up, you would think with the amount of money about the prem the Players wouldnt be left wanting on the medical side.

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  40. Sharpy meant to add, that it wasnt as if they had an operation or owt to do. All they needed was to switch the machine on an put a bit of gel on and away you go. Unless the medical staff can’t do it so they have to send them somewhere else

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  41. Big Dave I like Jonas and think he is a complete gentleman and I admire his bravery for over coming testicle cancer. Ashley has lied many times and Pardew 10 times out of 10 goes along with him. I still don’t think that’s right but this regrime has absolutely nothing to do with the fans whatsoever and Jonas has come out and said that which I admire about him even more. The fans have been victims under this regrime and we are paying the price 129 million which is no fault of are own. Ashley is giving NUFC a bad name. Can you see SBR or SAF acting in this manor they would be disgusted but the fan’s are powerless these days to this asshole’s. Ashley’s taken the fight out of them sadly. I wish someone would throw an egg at him in the stand to get there point across but that would look bad on us.

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  42. Telling that he returned to Argentina and paid for his own treatment too, obviously wanted no Toon involvement after the docs failed to spot it earlier.

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  43. Sir Bob would of pulled out all the stops for Jonas, having suffered Cancer himself you can be sure of that.

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  44. Now this I do not understand,Bigi has said he has a illness that allow him to play in England but does not allow him to play in Scotland??? so it will not be this year but maybe it will next year wtf

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  45. Kim I do love Bobby. His raised 8 million for cancer or his foundation has and that’s fantastic. Just goes to show how amazing he was but Ashley is a f***ing disgrace. Still 52,000 fan’s put up with it, devastating really.

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  46. Ice I couldnt work that one out πŸ˜• also that there was no medical done on the rangers 5 plus Rangers have to pay 5k a week and 40k for the injuried players loan deal.
    Kim it is telling of our so called medical ( man ) team, that most of our overseas players all go back home to get treatment.

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  47. Ashley’s a billionaire he could donate a few million to the SBR foundation easily so the guy really doesn’t care about others. When our fans going to learn.

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  48. BD – that’s spot on about the medical ‘team’. It probably is one underqualified doc and a physio. If I was a player I’d rush off somewhere else for treatment too!

    It’s all down to Ashleys approach. He got his fingers burnt by Hall then Allardyce’s crap buying /contracts. He tried Keegan then Shearer and then thought bugger it, I’ll do it my way now. The SD way. Every action at NUFC has to either save money or earn it. We have a skeleton staff, promoted from within coaches, and the bloody tea boy as MD. Finally a squad of cheap risky imports on low salaries. Throw in the free advertising and Wonga and you have the Ashley Way. He should be thrown out of football for not competing in the competitions we enter.

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  49. DAVE I have said before we must have a second rate medical team,I got to know the Physio that works for a Scottish PL club (she was courting my son) I found out that a “sports” physio and a Physio (the ones me and you go to) are two different animals,and one is not qualified to do the other ones work (legally) makes me think are we cutting corners with our medical staff in some areas,makes you wonder imo

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  50. Didn’t we want to get a fitness and conditioning expert in? They need sacked if they’re there.

    But at most clubs these days the back room team is full of medical experts and the likes but we are skeletal in every dept from commercial, to players and to medical staff.

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  51. KIM I didn’t know that either,until I was firmly put in my place by the lady lol,but used to get some inside imfo on some Scottish players lol,she used to tell me some thought they were gods gift she put them right,a bit extra pressure here and there soon changed their mind lol,used to have some good nights talking footy,pity my son took a different path πŸ˜₯

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  52. STUART aye I think we got some women in was supposed to be the bees knees,but was only on a temp basis, think she involved in the England rugby set up,maybe jabba wouldn’t pay her wages full time

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  53. Dave – the way I read it from Jonas, he went to see them twice when there was pain but no swelling – then went back when the swelling started. It was then THEY done the scan and a few hours later rang him to say there was a problem and they went to see the specialist – who operated the next day!.
    Fortunately the delay wasn’t fatal, but I do wonder why it took 3 visits before that scan was done?!.

    But the fact that Ashley never hires the best possible person for the job, it really doesn’t surprise me much.
    It’s probably Dr Nick Riviera from the Simpsons they have down there πŸ™„

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  54. It’s getting beyond the bizarre now that there’s still no sign of Aarons being fit. Somehow, and I’ve no idea how, but somehow we are not being told the truth about the lad. It’s 5 months now.
    Is it:
    The lad’s head has been turned and he thinks he’s better than NUFC?
    There’s a black mark against him because of that?
    Pardew knacked him by playing him too soon just like he did with Hatem?
    Is there a deal already in place with a top club and they don’t want him playing?

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  55. Georgio – his contract runs until next summer mate, so even if his head has been turned, unless a club is willing to buy him – which with his injuries this season is unlikely, he won’t be going anywhere.
    Didn’t he tweet that his injuries were worse than we thought? – that could just be it to be fair.

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  56. Aarons also said Pardew played him against the medics advise,so maybe Pardew didn’t trust our medics,this time seems they were right,the poor hamstring caused a problem with his thigh muscle

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  57. Was shocked to read a report in The Mag about a guy that has share/shares in SD he asked to see the share register (which is a right of share holders) and was told he would be taken to court for asking to see it??.
    What the hell do they not want people to see

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  58. My guess is that when Jonas learned it was cancer that he was concerned he might die and wanted to be with friends and family in Argentina. I have no inside knowledge of this but you would think the club would have private insurance for our players in Britain? De Jong had his operation in London and I doubt that was on the NHS.

    I also remember a few players coming to the USA (Shearer, Ryan Taylor) to get operations by Richard Steadman in Colorado. That the club didn’t cover Janas’ treatment is yet one more bizarre action under Ashley.

    If people don’t think they are liars all you have to do is look at Keegan’s successful lawsuit.

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  59. On another subject, why isn’t Sammy getting a contract extension? He is certainly good enough to be a squad player and I doubt he will be asking an outrageous amount. I think his brother was here for 13 years and Sammy is better than Shola.

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  60. Stem @192: I understand that Jonas probably wasn’t worth the money that THEY agreed to in his season before the loan and they wanted to reduce the wage bill. However, he was often being asked to play as almost a second left back by Pardew. It has been proven that Pards does not know what to do with wingers and is only concerned that they “track back”. No wonder his form suffered.

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  61. Eric @ 217 he is the same as his brother, and I dont think he will become a 1st team player.
    Actually thinking about Willo he probably will become a cheap and cheerful 1st team player for us, but I doubt he would be a 1st team player for any other mid to top table prem team

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  62. Dave I’ll send you something for the weekend as you won’t have a game on thread this week. IF them accounts come out then perhaps someone can write a thread who’s savvy on numbers, sadly that’s not me πŸ˜†

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