Teams need individuals in the dressing room that are not afraid to say it as it is. Ruffle feathers and all out the mercenaries. It’s been a common theme for a while now, our fans have pretty much been united in demanding one simple thing from our players; effort.
When your team is made up largely of foreign nationals, they will have no particular loyalty to your club. They are after 2 things; more money or trophies. Where is the incentive to work their balls off for the club badge? This is where strong leadership comes in. Your Roy Keane’s, Joey Barton’s and Steven Gerrard’s will not stand idly by and allow their teammates to take the mickey out of the fans and team.
Joey is 32 now, but can still do a job in the Premier League and he has often spoken bout his admiration for our fans – even if he rightly does not like the board. Colloccini is a good player, but lets not kid ourselves. He does not love Newcastle United and does not take his teammates by the scruff on the neck when they are not performing on the pitch. Cabaye was a previous Captain of our club. Good player, but not a Captain. There is nobody in our squad that fits the leadership profile and in my opinion that is one of the biggest reasons for the club constantly underperforming.
Joey is available on a free this summer and considering what he will bring to the dressing room, even at this stage of his career – he has to be a safe investment. Granted QPR have not shown too much passion this year – but the club is infested with mercenaries and players well past their sell-by-date. Even Joey can’t be expected to work his magic with that lot..
Even if Joey was simply a squad player, he would still be letting rip in the dressing room and creating a strong work ethic and the team bond that always results from everybody pulling in the same direction and working their socks off for eachother. I reckon he’d jump at the chance to sign on with again at this stage of his career and I think the dressing room would benefit massively from it, even if he is a controversial figure with a chequered history. At least he has passion – something our fans are crying out for. What do you reckon?
By Shamrock.
KIM don’t get me started on that,I have always championed woman imo they get a ruff deal all round,coundnt do without mine,luckily where I live they are all Labour even though they are a load of snobby gits lol
icedog(Quote)
Eric, I know but it’s simply not a phrase/saying I have ever heard. Is it an American thing?, I really have not heard that before and just don’t see the point in it at all.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy @149: I don’t think what I said @118 was over the top. TAE accused me of a major insult to his family that I never made or implied. Bringing up his dead wife had nothing to do with what I said before or since. So, I completely disagree with you.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Ice, South Bristol where I am is Labour as is most of Bristol apart from the outer city like kingswood or chav land as I call it.
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric sorry but I have never heard the saying about when was the last time you beat your wife 😕 and as Stuart says, all TAE was saying was that he lost his wife, and even said that you wernt to know, So I honestly think you went over the top @ 118 trying to imply that he was trying to use that against you.
Ice that nun one sounds familar 😀
Kim I think I know the expression your talking about and to be honest I have used it before to explain a point but I have never used it as a joke because I have had a family member that stood by and covered up and lied for her abusive husband for yrs until he was caught on .
Big Dave(Quote)
Kimtoon: I think the phrase is British. You can look it up on Google which I just did. It is an example of a loaded question. Honestly, I have heard it so many times I can’t count and thought it was something that everybody had heard. Sorry if I offended you because it was not meant to.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Dave. I can’t remember who said what, only that it’s been used as in convo here and there. No worries mate, just thought it an odd saying and an even odder thing to joke about. As you say the reality is horrific .
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric, no worries, all cool.
kimtoon(Quote)
So Pirlo is leaving his club at the end of season I know he’s 35 but oh how I would love him at the toon what a player,plus he’s a real nice guy always got time for fans
icedog(Quote)
DAVE%155 I was trying to keep your secret lol
icedog(Quote)
Alright. I just googled the phrase again and here is what it says:
“If you are unmarried, or have never beaten your wife, then the question is loaded. Since this example is a yes/no question, there are only the following two direct answers: “Yes, I have stopped beating my wife”, which entails “I was beating my wife.”
Big D: I completely disagree with you that TAE was correct in saying anything about his dead wife to me. It was not related to what I said and was meant as a pathetic attempt at a put down using a bereavement as ammunition. I stand by everything I said @113 and @118.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – well I think it was mate. I’m not wanting to fall out with you, I’m simply saying I think you were in the wrong.
Your post said ‘when was the last time you beat your wife’ (a joke I get that), but you made reference to his wife. Had you said ‘when was the last time you went shoplifting’, I’m pretty sure TAE wouldn’t have mentioned his wife.
As for this insult to him & his family, I haven’t read a post where he’s accusing you of that. He merely informed you that his wife has passed away. Maybe that has happened recently and he told you in a hope that you would avoid referring to her again coz it’s still raw & he’s still hurting – who knows. But he didn’t accuse you of insulting him, and I don’t believe he deserved being accused of using his dead wife as a diversion of a difference of opinion on a blog.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Even in my absence I get slated 😯 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Ice @ 160 TBH im too old anyway it’s normally me that gets the sore head 😆 😆 😆
Kim @ 157 I also have had quite a few clients that have went through it for yrs and it still amazes me how they kept thinking it’s going to get better, but once they make the break then they start to realise that it was never going to get better , and that they were better than what their partners brain washed them to believe ie that they wouldn’t get any better than them etc etc
Big Dave(Quote)
Come on lads let’s just move on and leave it,imo iI don’t think anyone meant bad
icedog(Quote)
Troy, Shut up, you know you love the attention 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
DAVE&164. Like me I use the bad back ploy 😀
icedog(Quote)
Sharpy: TAE hadn’t brought up his wife before so how was I to know he had one or she was dead? He brought up his dead wife in answer to a reference to a common joke/example of a loaded question. If I asked you how is your mother you wouldn’t reply “she’s dead, thanks” would you??? And I am not asking if your mother is alive or dead, I don’t know your mother or your family situation. Just like I do not know TAE’s family situation and was not asking him about it.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
To be fair, I am with Eric here. No offence meant and he didn’t need to be told that someone wife had died. That was designed to make him feel bad. Stick to your guns!
Stuart79(Quote)
Eric if you want to stand by everything you said @113 and @118 well thats up to you your entitiled to your opinion. But I have known TAE from he came on the blog and I don’t think for one minute he used that as a put down, and I still think you went OTT thats my opinion.
There is a popular saying over here ” ask you Ma ” and if someone said that to me I would let them know that I cant because she passed away, because that is the simple truth and not as a put down
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave , Spot on mate. Hazel has just started a new job (a promotion) in a new setting. She is running a vulnerable two’s nursery and the parents have many different problems ranging from Drugs, booze, poverty,learning disabilities and of course domestic violence and abuse. Anyway last week there was a big meeting about two kids who hadn’t turned up for a bit. The police rang the nursery to say the dad was under no circumstances allowed to have contact with the kids as they had witnessed him beat their mum black and blue. Can you imagine the fear of them little ones? it’s heartbreaking. The sad thing is she’ll probably take him back and get pregnant again.
kimtoon(Quote)
STUART with you
icedog(Quote)
Dave ,that was in reply to@164
kimtoon(Quote)
Anyway, moving on 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric @ 168 “He brought up his dead wife in answer to a reference to a common joke/example of a loaded question” you dont seem to be catching on that he had never heard the expression before the sameway Kim and myself have never heard it before so didn’t know it was a “common joke/example”
Big Dave(Quote)
Sharpy: Here is what TAE said:
“TOONARMYELITE
May 13, 2015 at 18:27
ERIC SYKES
me wifes dead bud whats she got to do with it”
I can only assume as you said it is a sore pint with him? But, how was I to know and why did he bring it up. I can only assume it was a pathetic attempt at a rebuttal jusding by what he has said before.
Especially this from TAE about Barton:
“he also did not assualt any1 off the pitch while he was with us so thats a reformed person in my opion”
I know I am repeating myself but there is a context what he said.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Big D: but you also are not getting that I don’t know his wife. He knows I didn’t know his wife. He was just using it as an excuse to defend himself in the lamest possible way. A pathetic excuse.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – well I wouldn’t say ‘she’s fine, thanks for asking’ FFS 😆
Of course I’d reply that she was dead if that were the case!!.
But if I reply ‘she’s fucking dead you insensitive *****’ – then that would be out of order because that would be implying that you already knew. TAE didn’t do that.
I’m not suggesting that you were to know, or that your initial question was insensitive or loaded in any way. I’m saying that your reaction to TAE informing you that his wife passed away was out of order. Like I say, I know you are a passionate poster, but if you stand by 118 then I find that bad craic mate. Hopefully when the red mist clears you will see that 😉
Sharpy17(Quote)
Where is Shamrock 😆 😆 as I said earlier I knew this article would get a bit spicy but then atleast it takes our mind of the **** at the club
Big Dave(Quote)
And where is TAE gone 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy @ 178 I agree 100% with you.
Big Dave(Quote)
Lee probert to ref our game with QPR
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric – please understand that nobody is suggesting that you did know mate. That includes TAE, as he says in the post ‘bud’, not ‘you insensitive *****’. If he had said that then I’d be defending you saying you weren’t to know.
I have respect for you mate, because I’ve seen that you are man enough to apologise when you’ve been out or order or wrong.
What’s ironic is that you have actually apologised to Kim for any offence caused, yet you maintain that TAE has only said it to make you feel bad, or try to win an argument.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Big D @170: you got me thinking a bit there. I still think there was a context to what me and TAE said to each other. He was wound up and lashed out on a related, but not common, subject.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
eric sykes, were we having a heated argument earlier ? Nah, not at all mate, at least not from my perspective. Alls cool mate 😎
looks like real madrid are going out 🙄
Munich Mag(Quote)
Come on Juve
icedog(Quote)
Sharpy @183: that is not ironic at all. I did not apologize to Kimtoon. I said I understood her point of view and was sorry if I offended her. That is not an apology for what I said and I do not back down from it.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, I know but it’s simply not a phrase/saying I have ever heard. Is it an American thing?
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Definitely not an American thing
MDS(Quote)
MM: maybe it was me that was being heated 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Ice@159,re Pirlo, agree mate, we can dream eh.
kimtoon(Quote)
Ice if we signed Pirlo Id probably relocate to Newcastle and buy season tickets. And Big Dave can tattoo Il Metronomo across my chest 🙂
MDS(Quote)
MDS,fair enough, never heard that expression mate.
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric I’ll try to break it down to the relevant words you said at 108
ERIC SYKES
May 13, 2015 at 18:25 (Edit)
Comedy gold Jerry, Comedy gold. And when was the last time you beat your wife?
You asked him “when was the last time you beat your wife?” and that is a question because you have put a question mark at the end.
To which TAE answered you @ 111
TOONARMYELITE
May 13, 2015 at 18:27 (Edit)
ERIC SYKES
me wifes dead bud whats she got to do with it
What did you expect him to say if his wife is passed away ? pretend that she is alive and say last week ??
Think about it Eric
Big Dave(Quote)
Here. I will put a link to wikipedia for that question that nobody seems to have heard of 🙂
n.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loaded_question
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Calm down, Eric. You get upset so easily, man. It’s only a blog – as some very astute young fella I spoke to in a pub recently says.
On topic: I wouldn’t want Barton back. I didn’t particularly like him when he was here and was glad to get rid of him. I reckon he’d be the sort of player that Carver would like, though.
brisvegas(Quote)
MDS, IF we signed Pirlo I’d collapse I think.
kimtoon(Quote)
Bris, Carvs and Barton would be scrapping every 5 minutes I reckon.
kimtoon(Quote)
KIM@190 that’s because you know the game 😉 he gets to Malta a lot seen him stand hours getting pics took with fans and signing all sorts for fans
icedog(Quote)
eric sykes@189, could be mate, but still all good . you could be right regarding the Wawi though i haven’t been for a couple of years. i’ ll call in this summer though, its only 10k from wor hoose on my bike if i take the offroad track along the Isar. happy days …..
Munich Mag(Quote)
Eric – that’s what I say! You apologised to Kim for any offence caused.
Look there’s nowt more I can say on the matter. The only reason I’ve said as much as I have is because I respect you as a poster and genuinely don’t believe you meant any initial offence. But if you insist on standing by your subsequent then you’ve gone down a little in my book … but I’m sure that won’t overly concern you 😆 😉
Sharpy17(Quote)
Ice, he comes across as a really decent sort like that.
kimtoon(Quote)
there’s no room for another Pirlo at the toon though surely ?
Munich Mag(Quote)
MDS@191 😆 😆 ,another one that knows the game
icedog(Quote)
I agree with Stuart @ 169 😯
But then again, I can’t believe people haven’t heard the saying before.
brisvegas(Quote)
Ice
http://metro.co.uk/2015/05/12/liverpool-going-all-out-to-seal-andrea-pirlo-transfer-deal-5194353/
Fecking typical 👿
kimtoon(Quote)
Big D: it is a very common expression/joke that I thought he and most on here would have heard of. I did not agree with his opinion on Barton’s jail time and thought he had questionable logic with his comment that Joey B had only assaulted people on the pitch when at NUFC and not in his private life anymore, and was therefore reformed (see @103). Perhaps I was sensitive to his next comment?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
And Pirlo (oops I mean Juventus) is on to the final!!!
Ice the guy is the very definition of a proper footballer in my mind
MDS(Quote)
KIM did you have to show me that 😥 😥
icedog(Quote)
for what its worth I have never ever heard the term being heftily discussed on here… never…
Munich Mag(Quote)
Yeah Kim that would break my heart.
MDS(Quote)
Sharpy: I have no worries about you and can even understand why you think I am wrong. I don’t think I am though.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
MDS you got it spot on but KIM just spoiled my night
icedog(Quote)
Fantasy league update – because I know you’ve all been restlessly awaiting the outcome of the result…
Haven’t Got a Kalou 92 – 92 Inter Yasista (Haven’t Got a Kalou win on goals scored)
Tough luck for Richietoon.
Draw for semis:
Newbriscastle Roar v WHY SO SERIOUS ?
Solano’s Trumpet v Haven’t Got a Kalou
brisvegas(Quote)
Bris V@195: is that the same Troy that you have disparaged for as long as I have read this blog (6 years)? The only reason you seem to not get into daily fights is because of the difference in time zone 🙂 But he bought you a couple of pints and you had the cuddles. I honestly (copyright John Carver) cannot remember when you and Troysta had a good word to say about each other until the last week?
I am not annoyed at anything Bris V, but I do have a good memory and cannot remember you having a lovefest with the Troysta before. You will probably regret it 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Ice, the one positive is we’d get to see him grace the PL every week I suppose .
kimtoon(Quote)
Nah, you got it all wrong, Eric. I’ve only ever said good things about Troy. He’s a fine upstanding young man with an astute football brain. I’ve always said that.
brisvegas(Quote)
Eric, that’s the funny thing about blogs mate. We all have pre conceived ideas about folk and how they look/act and so on . Most of us would probably be very different in reality.
kimtoon(Quote)
Cool Bris V: I always knew you and him were two peas in a pod.
That’s Ancelotti sacked!!! He will be the next NUFC manager then 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric @ 206 His comment @ 103 seems like he was basically saying that from he came to us he never caused any bother off the field which I agree with.
But after your comment @ 211 that my last comment on the subject cause I and others have tried to explain it from TAE’s side but I don’t think you’ll see it from anyone elses side.
Bris @ 216 😯 😯 😯 😆 😆 I take it you’s had a peace pipe aswell as a few sherbets
Big Dave(Quote)
KIM ime still in the huff 🙁
icedog(Quote)
That’s fine then Big D @ 219. Do you want me to write a follow up blog post about why Joey Barton and the whole art world worship Lucian Freud when he is really pretty ****. Thought not 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric what has Joey B’s interest in the art world got to do with anything ? Your the only one that has mentioned it.
Big Dave(Quote)
It was a bit of a tangent as Joey was at the Tate Modern talking about Lucian Freud with The Guardian about 6 months after his redemption (copyright TAE) and moving to that London as the Scouse call it. The title will be: Joey Barton – scouser, thug, member of the Tate Modern. I will send you a link to The Guardian video if you want. Unfortunately, Melvin Bragg couldn’t do the video as he still wanted to have most of his teeth.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
“So, Joey what do you think of this one”:
Joey says: she’s a fat lass on a couch.
and this?
Fat lass in a bath.
and this one?
Is that the same fat lass but on a different couch?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
This thread was about Joey Barton, right?
Eric Sykes(Quote)