It wasn’t easy on the eyes on was a frustrating watch in the main, but a brilliant late free-kick from Jacob Murphy rescued us a point in a disjointed yet much improved defensive display for Steve Bruce’s Mags.
Many Newcastle fans stared at the team-sheet before this afternoon’s clash v Wolves at Molineux with very wide-open eyes. Not only were both Ryan Fraser and Miguel Almiron in the starting line-up but a certain Jacob Murphy also came in from the cold – coming in at right wing-back!
Some of it was forced upon Manager Steve Bruce with Jonjo Shelvey out injured and Isaac Hayden not fully fit, But the choice of Murphy was one that was the biggest gamble and one that could well have backfired.
However, the former Norwich City player came up trumps for Bruce with a Man of the Match performance and a superb free-kick equaliser with barely two minutes left on the clock after Raul Jimenez had fired the home side in on 80 minutes.
Was it a point Newcastle deserved? It matters little what the answer to that question is, the fact that they got one was a point taken off a side that always threatened to take the win and are one of the best organised sides in the division.
The problem for United though is that the formation may have been more attacking but the performance was very much one that once again saw them on the back foot for much of the game conceding possession and giving their opponents lots of space.
However perhaps the telling factor was that the vast majority of that space was well away from Karl Darlow’s goal and Wolves goal attempts were always seemingly from distance. When they did get in the box there always seemed to be a Newcastle body in the way blocking the home side’s path to goal.
In truth it wasn’t pretty once again from Newcastle but it was slightly more effective and there’s no doubt that many of those selected putting in a shift that got them a share of the spoils.
Some very solid performances across the back “five” and from Darlow again – although he will be frustrated he didn’t get a strong enough hand to Jimenez’s opener:
Murphy though was the pick and played as well as anyone has in recent times in the right wing-back role. His defending was in the main solid enough, he got forward and created some of our best moments and he definitely fancied the free kick.
Newcastle’s formation looked strange and certainly felt strange and disjointed in the first 15 minutes when Wolves dominated the game. Daniel Podence looking lively and his sharp 20-yard left foot shot saw the first on target effort of the game with Darlow getting down well to parry.
Podence again hit one well over and then Jimenez blazed wide when well placed as Wolves pushed The Magpies back. When Newcastle finally got into the game, they actually created the best chance on 17 minutes.
A superb curled ball down the line from Murphy saw Callum Wilson get the wrong side of Max Kilman and into the box. But Kilman did well to get back goal-side and block Wilson’s effort with the resultant corner coming to nothing.
Halfway through the first half there were signs that Newcastle were getting to grips with the formation and whilst they never looked threatening, they never really looked threatened either. Wolves were spreading the ball wide but every time the ball was crossed in a Newcastle head got the ball clear.
On 38 minutes United had another chance when a breakaway saw Almiron find Allan Saint-Maximin wide on the right but the Frenchman fluffed his lines and a decent opportunity was squandered – a moment that summed up a rare off day for the Frenchman!
Podence was causing problems for us and he turned Murphy brilliantly on the right but once again his dangerous cross was headed away by a Newcastle centre-back, this time Lascelles.
Wolves had undoubtedly had the best of the opening exchanges as we approached half-time without really creating a clear-cut chance whilst at the other end Saint-Maximin showed good skill to wriggle free and get a deflected shot on target that was well held down low by Rui Patricio.
All-square at half-time it was the home side who once again started the brighter. Jimenez fired well wide from range and then on 50 minutes they missed their best chance of the game. Wilson gave the ball away and Podence did well on the left to pull the ball back to Paulo Neto.
But the Portuguese star didn’t compose himself well enough and from 14 yards fired narrowly over the top. After another long range Neto effort was wide Newcastle had a real scare on 55 minutes.
Podence got inside the box and worked a great shooting chance but Fredrico Fernandez threw himself in the way to block brilliantly. VAR had a quick look as the ball did hit his arm but no penalty was the right decision.
Wolves were well on top now but a sporadic United break saw Murphy do well to find Wilson inside the box who laid off to Almiron whose attempt was blocked. It was a brief respite as the home side set-up another couple of long-range efforts that Darlow got down well to save.
Then from a tricky cross from substitute Adam Traore, Jamaal Lascelles got a great header in to deflect the ball away. It fell to Neto who smashed it goalward only for the skipper to make an excellent block.
Then with ten minutes to go the breakthrough came. A Wolves free kick from the left was headed away by Fabian Schar and fell to the edge of the box where Jimenez had pulled away too. His vicious volley flew through a crowd of players and although the unsighted Darlow got a hand to it he couldn’t keep it out.
It seemed as though that was going to be it and another disappointing end to the afternoon from a Newcastle side that worked hard but offered little up front but, Murphy had other ideas. Two minutes from time he became the hero.
A long ball from Schar aimed towards Wilson saw the striker pushed off the ball by England’s Connor Coady. The free-kick was in a dangerous position and with Rui Patricio not setting his wall up well Murphy stepped up and curled the ball around the defenders and into the bottom corner to make it 1 – 1.
Perhaps it wasn’t what Newcastle deserved but they’ll take it and there’s no doubt that the man Bruce trusted to play a part in Jacob Murphy was definitely the man that saved his bacon with the late strike!
My marks out of 10: Darlow – 7, MURPHY 8, Lascelles 7, Schar 6, Fernandez 7, Lewis 7, Hendrick 6, Fraser 5, Almiron 6, Saint-Maximin 5, Wilson 6. SLongstaff 5 Joelinton 5, Carroll 5.
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Another Brucey smash and grab I think it’s fair to say.
An awful headed clearance which resulted in their goal. Headed straight back into the D is an absolute NO at any level of football.
But a very good freekick from Murphy who is really showing some grit to prove he’s good enough at this level.
But for the overall 90mins – same story different week.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Bruce has to call his sponsor ASAP
Like most alcopop’s he’s lost his grasp on reality!
Blaming the NUFC fan’s for him having a rough ride = so you did brilliantly at yr past jobs and their fan’s all wanted you to stay and lead them = WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE you absolute NUMPTY
IF you love the Club please go to yr AA meeting and leave us with a chance of staying in the Premiership – you’ve proven even with millions that you can’t manage in the championship
And please stop saying every club is a Top Top Club with a Top Top Manager with Top Top Players = repeating the word makes you sound like a TOP TOP LOSER
KK(Quote)
If it is LORD Ian Botham then why not Lord Lewis Hamilton? It cant be just a charity thing. I know that the crown likes to give out honours for charity work (Savile) but the time is now to honour Britain’s greatest ever sportsman.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, well if it is a charity thing then he still qualifies as he does lots
Well if it is a charity thing then he still qualifies for an honor, these are the charities he supports
Education Africa
Great Ormond Street Hospital
Harlem Children’s Zone
Save the Children
The Honeypot Children’s Charity
UNICEF
And these are the good causes he supports
Abuse, AIDS & HIV, At-Risk/Disadvantaged Youths, Children, Disaster Relief, Education, Health, Human Rights, Poverty, Slavery & Human Trafficking
His achievements in motor sport alone should qualify him for a knighthood. I have heard stuff like he has the fastest car and what have you but he’s been winning stuff since he was a kid carting. He is a winner and as a nation we should be proud of him as we are for the olympians , and other top sports stars.
kimtoon(Quote)
On the game, thought Murphy was the stand out performer even before the free kick beauty .
Bruce is the luckiest manager ever.
kimtoon(Quote)
I don’t suppose it helps Hamilton that it seems very few people actually like him. Is he the most successful and unpopular sportsmen in the world? His team mates seem to dislike him, people within the sport seem to dislike him and from what we see of him, which is not easy to form judgment I admit he does seem a like self important.
But his knighthood will surely come.
Stuart79(Quote)
Although when it comes to F1 my own opinion is that it’s not so much the drivers skill it’s the car and team behind them. Would Hamilton be as success if he drove a bang average car?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, he was winning from a kid in the same carts, cars others drove. Even a fast car doesn’t guarantee success if you don’t have the skill to drive it. As for the team behind him, he always bigs them up, he did just that yesterday after he won.
It’s still an elitist sport and his face/colour obviously rubs some up the wrong way along with the fact he out drives them. Some wouldn’t take the knee which caused bad feeling but Schumacher had his fair share of fall outs with other drivers over his methods too i seem to remember. Many found him arrogant and egotistical but he was bl oody brilliant and loved by his country, why can’t we get behind Lewis.
kimtoon(Quote)
We were completely outplayed by Wolves who should have won the game easily. We were barely able to string two passes together.
St Maximin still a little below par after his injury and Almiron decided it was a good day to have a really poor game.
Despite another drab performance yesterday , Bruce will convince himself that he got his tactics right and came home with a well deserved point.
We all know he is a poor manager but it is looking as if he is a lucky manager.
His luck could hold next weekend when we play Everton .
Everton will again be without Richarlison , and Digne will also be absent unless Everton appeal his red card and get it overturned.
Sidekick(Quote)
Well that was an experimental team if ever I saw one. Took me to half time to work out who was playing where. Very strange.
Darlow should have saved that one. He would have if he’d just gone with his right hand.
We were absolutely awful again though and it looked as if the players were as bemused as me at where they we playing.
Typical Bruce guessing at management.
georgio(Quote)
So, we are on Sky against Everton. Why do they keep selecting our games? It must be hell for the neutral to watch us play 9-0-1. The tactic against the top 10 is invite the opposition on to us and hope to nick one on the break. At some point we are going to get hammered and I wonder what all of these pundits will say then? I still have no idea how we got a draw yesterday. But, curiously I think we will do better against Everton as I dont think St Max was fit yesterday.
Anyway, I have a full week to carry on my obsession with the T-Rex armed Mackem. This is probably the week that I regret most that fans cannot be in the ground to see his comedy show. Hopefully, we can have more than 2 shots on target as he will somehow contrive to make another error. He could have done better for the 2 goals this weekend. And his kicking is not that great. We know that hoofing is not a good tactic having seen Timmy and now Darlow do it every game.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I think it’s difficult to blame Darlow for their goal – maybe he could have done better, but it was a good strike & came through a lot of bodies so don’t know how well he saw it.
For me the biggest and most obvious fault for their goal is the header from the Newcastle player from the corner – I think it was Wilson. He headed it back into the one place you are told never to put it.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – I don’t think it has a thing to do with his face or colour.
It’s the age older conflict – the arrogance of success versus the too nice to win anything.
The vast majority of winners have an arrogance – think of Alex Ferguson & his Man Utd teams & Jose & his Chelsea teams – Klopp and his Lpool team are showing signs of it. An unendearing arrogance that is required to be that successful. Setting standards that seem harsh, but are required to achieve such success.
It’s perhaps more apparent in solo sports, because in team sports that determination & responsibility for setting those standards can be spread amongst coaches, staff & players.
But when you are a racing car driver, tennis player, golfer – whilst you have a team around you, it’s your name on those trophies so you take a greater portion of that responsibility & generally the team are working to your agenda.
What I find quite interesting though, is that in a lot of cases in solo sports – there is a large amount of the elite or most successful are black.
Talent is obviously a big reason, but I do think a lot is down to the mentality & work ethic – which people praise – until they reach the top – then people assassinated characters.
Competition can bring the best & worst out in people. But society need competition & people who have that character to make it to the top.
I think what Lewis Hamilton has achieved is remarkable. I only wish that he and Schumacher drove in the same era, coz that would have been one hell of a battle.
I can’t say I’m a big fan of F1 or any motorsport for that matter – but that doesn’t mean I can’t acknowledge & respect someone that talented in their field.
I understand Eric’s argument, and agree. But I think these Empire awards are BS anyway.
Sharpy17(Quote)
They are BS Sharpy and actually it would be cool if he refused like Bowie did but all the same he should be offered it, if only to acknowledge what he’s achieved .
Agree about him and Schumacher racing together, who would of won i wonder.
kimtoon(Quote)
Brighton v WBA as the PPV today – that’ll rack up the buys I reckon ?.
They need to stop this nonsense before they do themselves real harm with the fans!!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy: F1 is pretty boring. You have the 1st 3 laps when there is a bit of drama and then Lewis Hamilton wins. I was saying that Hamilton doesnt get the recognition somehow. (SIR)Jackie Stewart on won 27 Grand Prix. Hamilton has won 92.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Do you blame Bruce or the players?
I think we have decent players now. Not top class, but midtable. It is not like we are playing Amdy Faye, Kenny Wharton, Carl Cort, Gaby Obertan or Emanuel Riviere every week. I have seen plenty of bad NUFC players in my time and the current crop are so much better. I mean, somewhat recently we had Leon fcn Best as our main striker.
What’s the bloody point of Fraser or Miggy if you just have them defend? Miggy was a defensive mid yesterday for much of the game!!!!
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – there’s a very good article in the SSN app which for some reason it’s not letting me share.
OLLY – see if you can make an article from it please mate coz it’s excellent in displaying the stats in all aspects of play.
Needless to say we are bottom in all areas.
He points out that Wolves have not had as much possession at home in any game since …. they played NUFC at their place in January.
Interesting, while we are bottom, Wolves are second bottom in most areas too – yet the success they have had, and style of football they play is infinitely better than ours – so the style of play isn’t the issue, and suggests one of 2 things – 1. Either the players aren’t good enough to play the system. 2. The system isn’t being coached as effectively as Nuno does it down there.
I may be sitting on the fence here, but I think it’s a combination of both.
The new players are still bedding in. Are we entirely happy with our RBs?. Are we happy with our CMs?. Other than maybe Wilson, are we happy with our forwards?.
What formation are we aiming for?.
We have played different players in every game so far I think.
Nuno knows what he wants to achieve with Wolves and his recruitment shows that. He buys or loans the players to fit and improve his system. All Bruce has said is he wants to move away from Rafas 3 CBs – but is he going for 4-4-2, 4-2-3-1 or what?!. He started with a clear and obvious 4-4-2 against WH, then switched to 5 at the back against Spurs with Hayden clearly playing at CB out of position. Then he went more 4-2-3-1 against Brighton, then a bit of a 4-3-3 against Man Utd – and I still don’t know about yesterday?!.
Has he brought Hendrick as a RW or CM?.
If we don’t know – do the players?!.
It feels to me like Bruce is still stumbling through ideas of what to do with his team set up & by making these changes, HOPES that the answer presents itself to him.
All I know is that we are one of the worst teams to watch in the PL. I love NUFC, but I love watching entertaining football – I can’t remember a team I’ve enjoying watching less than this NUFC side – and that includes when Rafa was there too by the way.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – I’m sure he will be offered one. These things tend to come after retirement though as he’s still achieving & setting records just now.
He has to get the sports personality award now though. I think that’s the closest thing we have for recognition of sporting achievements during a career and tends to be from your sporting peers – the Oscars of Sport.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Olly – sorry mate, just incase you missed my request in the post I replied to Eric.
There’s a good piece on the SSN app with numerous stat tables of how NUFC performed from the start of last season.
It would be a good article to support the criticism Bruce has been getting.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I also don’t get this government (at all I mean) but specifically on the school meals thing.
The is clearly overwhelming public support for it, and yet the politicians vote against it – don’t they act on behalf of the public?!.
Apparently cases or tickets are on the rise in the UK – rickets!!!!.
The government claim they are doing enough – but how the hell can they be?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy: I have no idea what Bruce is doing. We seem to have decent forwards and yet play 9-0-1. What is the point of playing Fraser, Miggy and St Max as defenders?
But we go into our/a shell whenever we play a decent team. Wolves are not a great team. They have decent players and you would expect them to finish 7-10th. Espirito Santos is not a great manager either. He is a 7-10th manager. Why give them so much respect?
How many shots have we had on target this season? My guess is like 10 or 12. It is probably in that article that Sharpy referenced. It is boring. We are boring!
It is so frustrating because we can all see that our players are better than this.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Sharpy: you think you have it bad with Boris, try living with the Angry Orange. i dont think you see it all back home but he has totally lost the plot. He is a Mad Man. Reading the transcripts of one of his speeches is like reading a William Burroughs book. He is insane and still people are willing to vote for him. I despair. I truly despair.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric – if you look at Sheff Utd and Leeds – neither of those have top players either really – but they have good coaches who get their message across and the players get it.
They will stick with Bruce because the points are going on the board & there are no fans in the stadium to make their feels fully known – not that that’s ever mattered like.
But he’s not going to pay a couple of milion to compensate Bruce and his coaches & bring in new ones unless we are at risk of the drop.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Eric – I worry for the US coz I just see it kicking off over there regardless of the outcome.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy: you are totally right about what is going to happen here. Trump will lose but will not accept it. The Orange-Man-Baby will stir up his supporters. A lot of them have guns. And not only that, they have assault rifles that the States let them carry around. It is called the open carry law, where you are allowed to just have your gun out like it is the fcn wild west. It is insane. It is also illegal to go into state houses to protest with AK-47s but the Police allow it because they are “out-gunned”. I could go on, but I wont. It really is totally insane over here with the gun laws.
There is a collective madness going on, and this election will set off some real trouble stirred up by an insane wanna-be dictator. I am a bit worried. Not for where I live but other parts of the country.
Agent Orange wouldnt even decry white supremacists who wanted to kidnap and kill a duly elected governor of Michigan. He is dangerous!!!
I really hope I am wrong, because most of the people I know in the US and A are good and genuine folk and we dont need an autocratic self-serving braggard to bring out the worst in a minority.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Trump wasnt even elected by a majority last time.
The US has the stupidest system ever invented. They call themselves the world’s greatest democracy but the system is arcane. They have 100 senators who decide most of the laws but a state like Montana with 400k people has the same representation as California with almost 40 million. It is like saying County Durham should have the same number of MPs as the whole of London.
It is almost as bad as The House of Lords for how stupid and archaic it is.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Americans love to say they live in the world’s greatest democracy. It is a totally stupid system that helps the people in power stay in power. It is not really a democracy when 400k people in Montana have the same say as 40 million in California (for senate). How is that fair or democratic?
And then there is the electoral college! Time is too short to explain the ins and outs of that but the upshot is that only about 6 states decide who will be president. You can win NY and CA (60 million people out of 320 mil) and still be defeated because a bunch of rednecks and yahoos in South Dakota (pop. 900k) vote for Trump.
It is a totally flawed system which is why we ended up with an Orange Pumpkin as president. Halloween will come late this year – it is election day – Nov 3.
Did I mention I dont like Trump much 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
You still believe that guff? After all this time. After all the evidence to the contrary. Year after year. Election after election. Lie after lie. You still hold onto that myth.
Next you’ll be saying that newspapers are there to keep us informed.
Brisvegas(Quote)
Sharpy – Have we finally moved to a place where government are responsible for everything and everyone? Do parents not have responsibilities to feed their children now? Have you ever seen a child starving in this country? I haven’t and I went to school with some very poor kids but they never starved.
I remember my dad telling me when he was young food banks would never have got going as nobody could afford to give food alway. Also made the comment that food was never wasted. What was left one day went towards the next days meals. What happened today? Left over food thrown straight in the bin. The waste is ridiculous and immoral.
I’d also ask the parents if they drink, smoke, have sky and have nice holidays abroad – yet can’t feed their kids?
Government just can’t allow themselves to give in to every whim of a famous person like Rashford. He’s literally giving reckless parents the excuse to be irresponsible. I’d also like to know the definition of starving these days.
Give parents food vouchers instead of money in child benefits. Vouchers that can only be spent on food or clothes. But no, the woke folk won’t have that. Apparently it would stigmatise them and make them uncomfortable and a subject of ridicule for being poor. My God! There are so many gullible people in this country these days.
Stuart79(Quote)
I thought the Govt had given local authorities extra cash in the pandemic to help people through this difficult time.
I know that in Newcastle yesterday the schools were handing out lunch bags to all the kids who are eligible for free school meals.
Never got mentioned on any local media – no surprise.
Back to football and I have heard we have signed a bricklayer from an Australian fourth division team. Bruce will probably play him in defense and put him in charge of building a defensive wall.
At least he should be more useful than some of our first team squad.
Sidekick(Quote)
Bris – well there’s the irony isn’t it. Parliament was set up to stop the corruption of the monarchy – all the wealth going to one family and the people they surrounded themselves with.
Parliament was about ensuring the distribution of that wealth and ensuring that everyone had an opportunity to earn enough money to look after their family. It was set up to ensure fairness for all.
How full circle has that come?!?!!!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu – I’ll be honest, I’m at a complete loss as to what you hold our government accountable for?!.
I’m not suggesting they have to throw more money at problems – but they should be managing things better.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Everyone in this country has a chance to achieve things. You only have to look at the likes of Alan Sugar. From a poor family and a Jewish family to boot. He didn’t let his lack of wealth or religious bigotry get in his way. Or people like David Lammy (who I detest and think he’s one of the most divisive MP’s in parliament who specialises in seeing division within communities), he didn’t let the fact that he came from a poor area or that he was black get in his way. He became a barrister and now an MP. Plenty more examples too. This is a country of huge opportunity and fairness. You wouldn’t think it listening to some people but it is.
Stuart79(Quote)
Whatever government spend it will never be enough. We live in a world where government must be responsible for everything and everyone and where everyone has the Oliver Twist response “Please sir, can I have some more”!
Stuart79(Quote)
I hold them accountable for ruining the economy, shutting down a free and prosperous country, reducing people’s humans rights to the whim of a few professors who have achieved nothing in their actions and who, in the past have decidedly dodgy records of predictions and modelling. I hold them responsible for the millions of people who’s lives are to be beyond dreadful over the next 10-20 years and the next generation that are to be saddled with so much debt that they won’t have anything like the public services we’ve enjoyed.
What I don’t hold them responsible for is to please every single person in the country, react to every whim of a celebrity and react to every woke complaint in the media.
Stuart79(Quote)
You might want to choose your examples better. Oliver Twist was an orphan who was forced to live in a workhouse that employed child labour and then forced onto the streets to steal.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Not really, Eric. That’s my whole point. Oliver Twist was hard done by, treated shockingly (albeit a completely different era) and generally had it terribly rough. Completely different from today’s citizens yet they still ask for more and where the woke say the government don’t do enough – ever!
Stuart79(Quote)
So you’re defending workhouses then Stewey 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Obviously, not, Eric. Although it has to be said, I bet the people in the workhouses 100 years ago didn’t complain as much as people do today.
Stuart79(Quote)
I think you are misunderstanding what workhouses were in D!ckensian Britain. They were where 10 year old orphans were sent to do hard labour for evil factory owners and were basically slaves to their owners. If they didnt complain it is because they COULDNT complain or else they would be punished brutally – the first 1/4 of Oliver Twist 🙂
But, if it fits your narrative that everybody is a sponger now and all they do is complain then go ahead with that !!!
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric, it doesn’t do your argument any good whatsoever when you manufacture one of my alleged points. In fact it makes you look rather lacking in the ability to debate.
Stuart79(Quote)
Oliver Twist saying “please sir, can I have some more” was an allegory to say the kid was starving and being abused by a brutal slave owner. It was D!ckens’ way of saying how terrible things were without offending his readership which were the weekly periodicals where his stories were first published.
Most of D!ckens is like that. Depicting how terrible things were but with some sugar coating of a happy ending. That is the audience he was playing to.
Done with my lecture now 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stuart: I was farting around. I know I deliberately twisted what you said 🙂
Eric Sykes(Quote)
15m
Martin’s injury is taking slightly longer than expected but anyone who has suffered from ‘plantar fasciiatis’ knows, it takes time….he is working hard in the gym to maintain fitness and I am looking forward to having him back on the grass asap !
@HecoDubravka
Good luck with that then, i had that in my right foot , bloomin agony, lasted 2 years !
kimtoon(Quote)
Anyone who thinks the Tories do anything more than the bare minimum for working classes needs to wake up smartish.
kimtoon(Quote)
Oh, Kim. When government supply everything people need then where’s the incentive to improve their lives? The country is full of people who’s job is having children, lounging about at home all day or walking round town centres with prams while their feral and feckless boyfriends (termed loosely) wander the streets looking for something to nick. Pop along to Cowgate of many parts of Teesside for evidence.
I actually know someone who goes in my local who doesn’t work and gets paid more on benefits than he would working in his previous job. Now, where’s the incentive to get him back to work?
Stuart79(Quote)
There will always be folk who work the system, but they are few and far between nowadays, it’s actually incredibly hard to rake in lots of benefit money now. Once your youngest is 5 you have to work and if you try to claim disability you have a bible to fill in which is set up to catch you out and very stringent test carried out to get it.
The days are gone when you could fool a doctor to get disability benefits, now you need to convince a jobsworth with zero qualifications in health bar a handfull of instructions from a one day training course.
Have a look at how many carers have gone to downing street and the press after a loved one with obvious health issues got turned down then reinstated their money after said action.
After filling out the bible that is a pip form ( previously DLA ) you have to post it to the great black hole in Wolverhampton, otherwise known as royal mail sorting office for benefit claims. Here, nine times out of ten it will get lost and you will ‘ time out ‘ on your claim and have to reapply all over again.
You cannot send it signed for because no one will sign for it in authority just some no mark who will still manage to lose it.
As for universal credit, thankfully i have never applied for it but know some who have, it’s a pittance and anyone who thinks it’s enough to live on needs to give their head a shake, it’s not and you spend around 30 hours a week online job searching to qualify for it or it’s stopped.
There may well be many walking around town living off the state, but they won’t be living the life of luxury that’s for sure, to get by they will likely turn to criminality or loan sharks .
As you know my lad claims pip and i get £67. 25 a week carers allowance as his carer for 24/7 , not even minimum wage. I haven’t had a holiday in over 20 years.
but hey i’m living the life of luxury on benefits.
You cannot generalise people on benefits like that Stu, you talk as though no one should get any help at all. We don’t ask for the circumstances we find ourselves in, it’s not a career choice to lose your job, have a disabled relative or your partner walk out on you leaving you up sh it creek financially . Sometimes we all need a little help from others, i pray if you ever do, you get treated with the respect you’d want.
kimtoon(Quote)
Send him over here Stuart. Unemployment benefits stop after 6 months and they kick the mentally ill out onto the streets. I am sure you have been to San Francisco and seen the thousands upon thousands living it rough because they dont get any help. Now they (Republicans) want to take away a woman’s right to choose and health care for 20 million people. They are simply horrible people. Old white men making decisions that old white men usually make – the wrong ones.
The Government should provide a safety net for those less fortunate. It is a function of a decent society. There will always be a few scroungers but there will always be mentally ill people as well who the govts of the US and UK say should fend for themselves when they are not capable.
I find your attitude to be heartless and very blamey.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Stu – it blows me away that you talk like that. You are really out of touch with what is really going on in this Country.
Some of the work I do is with Darlington College. We run up skill course to help people into work and back into work. The demographic we work with are 18-24yr olds – few or which have kids and it constantly shocks me how many are better educated than me and my colleague.
A lot lack confidence when it comes to interviews & many have little work experience on their CVs – but it’s not for the lack of trying.
It’s a horrible spiral downward when you feel unemployable despite working hard in higher education. Some suffer with anxiety & depression – but so many of them are competent & employable, there just aren’t the jobs in Darlington & North Teeside.
We saw 6 people commit suicide in 2019 & have lost touch with some many in 2020 because the venues we use have had to close down & we have had to reduce the numbers for social distancing. A lot of work we do is on soft skills which can’t really be done in Teams or Skype.
Many are from good families & still live with their parents who do support them – but the people we work with desperately want to work & want their independence.
When we get them into work it’s great, but for everyone one we can, there are so many that miss out.
Sharpy17(Quote)
@KieranMaguire
Premier League kept Project Big Picture plans secret from clubs outside big six
“Senior figures at some of the 14 clubs are understood to be furious that the meeting was held without them, and that they were not told about it before or afterwards.”
kimtoon(Quote)
Premier League held meeting with the “big 6” cabal on Oct 13. These people are corrupt and coerced and just like Tory politicians. Bought and paid for. Everything we thought about Masters turns out to be true. I am not saying I support the Saudis but I really think the PL has an agenda.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/oct/27/premier-league-kept-project-big-picture-plans-secret-from-clubs-outside-big-six
Eric Sykes(Quote)
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tariq panja
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While announcing his resignation, Barcelona’s outgoing president drops news that the club has agreed to join a European Super League (with other great clubs). Says a final decision will be made following a vote of the club’s members. What a thing to mention on your way out!
8:25 PM · Oct 27, 2020·Twitter for iPhone
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PriceOfFootball
@KieranMaguire
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Oct 24
Manchester United owe other clubs £149 million for transfer fee instalments. This is down from £258 million a few years ago.
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Swiss Ramble
@SwissRamble
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#MUFC would have had even more money to spend if they did not have to bear the cost of the Glazers’ leveraged buy-out. In fact, since the takeover they have spent over £1 bln on financing: £704m interest, £234m debt repayments and £125m dividends. Averaged £42m in last 5 years.
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Swiss Ramble
@SwissRamble
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Oct 26
Even after all the Glazers’ refinancings, #MUFC still owe more than half a billion pounds, only behind #THFC £658m (new stadium). Note: #CFC have £1.5 bln debt in their holding company. United also 2nd highest debt in Europe, above Juventus £417m, Inter £407m and Barcelona £240m.
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Steve Chambers
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Smoking gun: “The Premier League confirmed that Hoffman had not told the 14 clubs that he had a copy, nor that he had emailed the big six in positive terms on 8 October, before the leak.
corrupt as ****
kimtoon(Quote)
Kimtoon: read The Guardian article I poseted above.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I’m really not that out of touch, Sharpy. I work in a industry which are always advertising for workers. Incredibly eleventh site I go to have more young Eastern European workers than young Brits. They’re always advertising for jobs too. So why aren’t the kids in Darlington getting them jobs? They’re available. Or at least they were until the economy was smashed to smithereens.
I find it rather odd that two of the biggest voices to help the poor, you and Kim are/were big supporters of the governments lockdown. I told you what would happen and now it’s coming to fruition. 20% of young workers have already least their jobs due to the lockdown. There’ll be another 1.5m in the next 2-3 months. That’s more people the government need to help. Where is all this money actually coming from? I hope you are prepared to pay extra 10% in tax over the next 10 years. Then the government might be able to help al those who need it and most probably all of them that don’t too. But don’t expect the advices to improve for your increase in tax. It will just go towards the debt, the deficit and the incredibly high social benefits paid out to those whose lives have been ruined by a lockdown based on flaws and tunnel vision COVID populism.
Stuart79(Quote)
Regards the PL. They’re corrupt – of course they are. Maybe not in the original way ie with money but they’re corrupt by power. They’re desperate to keep their “big earners” happy and will tow the line when offered the chance. They denied any club had tried to influence them in the takeover saga. That rebuttal looks at best flimsy now. It’s clear the PL and Masters and Hoffman in particular have secret discussions with certainly clubs and that can’t be right.
I have a feeling this takeover saga isn’t quite done yet.
Stuart79(Quote)
I’d also like to point out that my opinion on COVID has been very clear and obvious. I haven’t based my view on wanting people to die. It’s based on reducing the possibility that people are thrust into poverty, thrust into mental health issues, suicide, mass illness and drastically reduced quality of public services.
This isn’t the view of someone who doesn’t care about anybody.
I happen to think what the government are doing and what was encouraged by some on here is creating the very problems for people that the same have been complaining about. Go figure!
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, we had to lockdown, had we not the death toll would of been even worse than the horrendous figure it already is . Yes the economy has suffered and people too but we simply had no choice with the rate of infection rising so fast and it’s on the march again, it’s going to be a very very rotten winter.
I’m starting to know more people with it in this second wave and it’s not fully taken off here yet, that’s scary.
If we ever get a hold of this thing, we will be able to return to normal and new jobs will open up again as people will go back to the old way we lived , though i suspect many will continue to work from home which is no bad thing as it keeps the roads less clogged and helps the climate.
People will always want to travel and holiday abroad so the airlines will pick up again and likewise folk want to eat out and go to bars, clubs and see shows and sports, jobs will be created again simply because of demand. In the meantime we need to properly look after those who lost jobs and businesses through no fault of their own and those with mental health issues too.
We have nightingale hospitals so lets use them and keep the other hospitals for regular illnesses.
As for increased tax in future, i think most know that’s coming and most people in work that i know have accepted that fact, it was obviously gonna happen given the money chucked about by the government. My gripe is the amount of cash, huge sums they have chucked at their tory donating pals in private business to run things badly, see track and trace . We will all have to pay for that one way or another whilst they have padded their already bulging pockets.
kimtoon(Quote)
Eric, i read the article, heads at PL really need to roll for this, it’s disgusting and corrupt as hell.
Forget our takeover, there is a far bigger problem with the PL in general imo.
kimtoon(Quote)
https://twitter.com/BBCArchive/status/1321028867750907904
Wow
kimtoon(Quote)
I don’t really know where to start… Many studies have already stated the virus had peaked the week we locked down so there’s no guarantee smashing the economy saved COVID lives. We do know thats smashing the economy is going to cause misery and deaths. History shows us that.
You talk about people “always wanting holidays abroad”. Probably but without a job or any money they won’t be able to. The same goes for people eating out or going for a drink. Thousands of business’ will be bust. They don’t just start up again like magic. Where will these people get the money to start it up? Where will the guarantees be that people will return to the old ways which will give banks confidence to lend? It’s naive in the extreme to think things will get back to normal. In facts it’s utter madness. It really is.
When millions have lost their job, then how do they pay their mortgage? Then house prices collapse. People have to sell their homes and then end up owing more to the banks than the value of their property. Banks lose billions, house prices crash further, more people are in negative equity and the doom loop continues. Where do these people live? Where does the government get its money to pay for their entire lives?
Would you continue to lend money to the UK if there was no guarantee of getting it back? Or if you would you’d want better returns. That means higher interest rates… Where does that lead us? BOE quantitative easing leading to inflation. Would that improve peoples lives so although they have very little, the things they would want are too expensive due to inflation. A gargantuan doom loop!
Finally your view of the government throwing money at their donors? Can you provide evidence that they have given contracts to companies owned by their donors?
One final point. Germany was held up as the masters of track and trace and lauded as the way to do it. They had a lock down for 3/4 months and had a wonderful track and trace system. What’s it achieved? They’re straight back to square one!
This is one of the most discriminatory virus’ in history yet we continue to have an overarching solution for all when it only results in death for people with an average age of 82!
Really, if it was a film nobody would think it realistic.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – so the company you work for advertises job and employs a few Europeans?! – I stand corrected, you’re an expert on the matter.
The lockdown wasn’t to save or help the poor – that’s 2 very different things. Child poverty & children not eating properly existed long before COVID.
The lockdown was to stop the spread of the virus to protect everyone while they got the PPE they didn’t already have, build the hospitals, got the ventilators and made sure the NHS wasn’t overwhelmed like Italy’s was.
It was to buy the government time to formulate a plan, work on test, track and trace and figure out what precautionary measures would help. It was meant to buy them time, but they certainly haven’t used it effectively that’s for sure.
I’m pretty sure most Countries across the globe went into lockdown at some point though, so I’m sure you aren’t suggesting they were all wrong are you?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/10/26/the-moral-pantomime-of-the-school-meals-debate/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Wonderful read…
Stuart79(Quote)
They’ll have been proved wrong, Sharpy. That’s the fact. We’re all back to square one even after locking down their countries. Or am I wrong on that?
I also didn’t say the company I work for. It’s many companies in the industry I work in.
I previously made the point about “buying time”. As I said previously, Germany had a wonderful track and trace and had a lock down yet they’re in the same position as we are now. Any explanation as to why? I note Sweden are experiencing hardly any COVID deaths currently…
Finally I will leave you with this quote from the piece I have pasted above;
“Mash together their lockdown fanaticism and their school-meals agitation and what we have here is a left essentially saying ‘Make the poor jobless but throw them a few scraps of food from the table!”.
Just make sure nobody dies of COVID but don’t care about the consequences. Doesn’t make sense to me…
It’s also pretty obvious and clear that the worlds response and solution to COVID isn’t working. Otherwise we wouldn’t be right back at the beginning!
Stuart79(Quote)
Back to football. TalkSPORT talking about why British managers don’t get chances at top clubs. It’s a fair point. Jim White asking what Mikel Arteta has achieved in management that Sean Dyce or Eddie Howe? Fair question…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu some evidence for you.
https://bylinetimes.com/2020/09/16/company-conservative-donations-government-ppe-procurement-deal/
https://labourlist.org/2020/09/labour-slams-government-for-handing-81m-ppe-contracts-to-tory-donor-firm/
https://www.nhsforsale.info/conflict-of-interest/12-worrying-links-between-tories-and-private-healthcare-industry/
kimtoon(Quote)
On other points you raise
Does no one take out insurance against loss of earnings anymore? when we bought our first house that’s what we did, in fact it was the only way they would give us a mortgage as we were low earners.
Also i believe measures were put in place for payment holidays for those struggling until they were back at work or found other employment.
My daughter currently works 3 different jobs to pay her mortgage and rents out a bedroom.
You may of seen me say on here how i have been trying to get a bungalow in BS3 for around eleven years now. I’m on right move every day and follow the market closely, i see no sign of a house price crash, actually prices have shot up partly because of the stamp duty holiday.
Flats and eco homes are popping up everywhere here, and my high street is thriving, infact a few shops have expanded and opened second stores !
Higher interest rates, well we’ve lived under that before with your mate Maggie, it’s what put me in dire straits in the 80’s but you get through it, you have little choice and the rest of the world will be in the same state not just us.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu – my mistake, the industry you work in gives just as good perspective, you keep your expert status.
I don’t think we are back to square one. We are better placed to deal with it in terms of PPE, hospitals, ventilators & protecting people. Yes the infection rate is going up (to be expected with people being out & about again) but death rates are nowhere near what they were.
They could have done better imo, in terms of acting quicker with face masks, not spending millions on PPE that was no good & not sending students back – but they were right to lockdown, and I agree it should have happened sooner.
Track & trace needs real focus to get it right, but their blind loyalty to people getting things and doing things wrong is holding them back again.
You go on about the poor as if they are the dredge on society. There are plenty of people who work but struggle to make ends meet. Ultimately I’m talking about kids eating a decent meal. MPs voted against that. MPs who’s basic wage is over £80k a year – on top of which they can claim expenses – one of which is for meals – £25 per day they are entitled to. That bill exceeded £1m last year – one million pounds for a bunch of people paid over £80k a year.
I’m not saying it needs more money throwing at it, but the government should be overseeing it better & in areas where it is still a problem, stepping in, holding people to account & making the changes if necessary.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – I had you down as brighter… Look at who’s writing the stuff you’ve posted… Do you think there’s any conflict of interest here.?
Stuart79(Quote)
You try and get loss of earnings insurance! ??
As for the house prices – I didn’t say now. But it’s coming. Up until this week the government have still been paying people to stay at home. When it ends and millions are made redundant you’ll see the impact. It’s also too early for an impact as there’s also a stamp duty holiday. That’s artificially inflating prices.
Fine about your argument about high interests. Although it’s a bit like saying people were on rations in the 50’s so if we go back to that then it’s fine as we will get through it. So what’s your problem with people going hungry then? We’ve been there before and got through it as you say…
Stuart79(Quote)
I notice it’s gone from kids starving to kids eating proper meals now…
Anyway, I didn’t see your answer to my question on the last thread so I will ask again. It’s not to make a point but I’m seriously interested. In the last three months we’ve been told to socially distance, wash our hands and wear a masks. Why have cases gone up since then? Is that people aren’t paying attention or these things aren’t working?
But my point still stands. We are back to square one, Sharpy. Cases are rising and so are deaths and they’re rising steadily. Not as fast as previously but that’s probably because of the restrictions gvt have put in place. We are going round in circles.
I’m also not sure why you think I believe the poor in society are a dredge. I just happen to think self responsibility is a good think and government shouldn’t be responsible for everything and everyone. What you want to happen, along with Kim is making people poor. But it’s ok as you also want to give their kids free meals. That will make up for it all…
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