Is Alan Pardew a coach or a manager?

It's showtime for Pardew and Co.
There is a lot of confusion at Newcastle United at the moment regarding a whole host of affairs. From questions of ambition, to player unrest, to finances, to signings, questions have been asked of them all. How about another?

How about Alan Pardew? Is he manager, as titled, or is he just technically a coach with a fancy title? Like a Binman, or Environmental Agent I should say, or a Civil Enforcement Officer, formerly known as a Traffic Warden. That kind of thing.

Funnily enough questions have been asked of Pardew and about his credentials for the job. To me he’s not been given enough time with his own team yet to show me either way, but I’ll give him time. What else can we do? It will be the results that will do his talking for him this season so I’ll see what he brings to the table before making any firm judgement.

Anyway, back to my question. I guess the best thing to do before trying to work out just what Alan Pardew’s job role is, is to ascertain just what each job does. To me a manager makes the bulk of the decisions at the club, including when it comes to transfers. Obviously certain managers have more sway, like Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger, as they have earned it through success over time, but generally speaking in any case it’s the managers who make the calls.

Then there are others that go by the name of Head Coach or something like that. They are generally responsible for footballing matters only, such as picking the team, answering the press, training etc etc. They may have an input into what goes on above them, but generally speaking they are there to deal with football whilst the men upstairs get on with the rest.



Now, which camp do you think Alan Pardew fits into?

Personally I think it’s the latter. It’s not a problem, in fact it’s not even a bad thing provided everyone is working together and knows their job spec. If it stays that way then there is no reason why it can’t work, but if people don’t understand their role and responsibility, or indeed get misled over their role and responsibility, then you can end up with a mess. Sound familiar?

Fortunately I don’t think this is the case this time around. To me Pardew is bigging himself up and making it look as though he has more authority than he actually has, which is why he can sometimes say something and then face criticism when the polar opposite happens.

Think about what Alan Pardew actually does. He deals with the team, deals with the press, picks the team, sorts the training. As for transfers he has “Cheif Scout” Graham Carr sorting things and when it comes to player sales or contracts he clearly holds little sway in negotiations. Does that sound like a manager?

The problem is that it’s all we’ll have working under the current ownership. They’ve tried to implement it before, with disastrous consequences, but I feel they are trying to do it again this time around.

People call Alan Pardew a “puppet” or a “liar”, but is this really the case? Are people really so anti-Pardew that they are willing to forget that the ownership have pulled the rugs out from underneath previous managers like Keegan, Shearer, Hughton? What is to say that they aren’t doing much the same with Alan Pardew?

Food for thought, maybe?

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74 thoughts on “Is Alan Pardew a coach or a manager?

  1. It’s funny think how everyone says that he’s “a puppet”, “a yes man” and other bollocks, but noone say that for Hughton. Why? Does Hughton can stop the sale of Cashroll and Captain Greedy? Get yourself together and stop this nonsense. Stop with these crab… Damn i want to see so badly how will looks like the team without Cashroll but with Hughton… Who will take the long balls… perhaps Ameobi with his elbows…

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  2. Even in full control, Pardew wouldn’t be good enough to do anything with this club. Just like souness, fat sham and a whole host of other poor managerial appointments!

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  3. Posted a comment on a west ham blog about pardew and this is the response i got;
    Alan Pardew was great for West Ham. In his first 2 seasons when we were in the Championship, he was average. We managed to reach only the play-offs, and not automatic promotion.

    But once in the Premiership, he was class. The football was good, as was our league position. But, more importantly, he made absolutely fantastic signings which left the club in healthy a long-term position. Players such as Yo$$i Benayoun, who were relatively unknown, and were signed for £1.5m. Reo-Coker £500,000. Green £2m. Harewood £500,000. Etherington £1m(?). The list goes on.

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  4. It seems to fit the Keegan pattern: Doing things the “manager” doesn’t want or expect (Carroll) and leaving him holding the bag. I guess he’s probably more of a coach. Wasn’t that supposed to be the plan anyway–to move to a more European style of management. Dunno.

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  5. Dave that was my first thought but I didn’t want to get wrong in case there are bairns reading!
    In all honesty I only read the title of blog – I hated Pardew well before he came to Newcastle – always thought he was a cock

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  6. Spitfire I think puppet and yes man were labels Hughton got when he took the job intially. Pardew is a coach as outlined above. I hope he gets some input what areas he feels would improve the team. For argument sake he tells carr he is looking for a midfielder who can control tempo and he gets cabaye. I think the days of Ferguson ruling the clu from top to bottom are coming to an end. Look at doglesh at liverpool, First time around he would of had greater control but Comolli is now in charge of transfers. Its the way football is moving.

    In this system its important for Pardew to know his role and not to step out of line so to speak. Him not getting to pick players coming in is nothing new at newcaslte. Freddie Sheppard bought the mjority of the players when Souness was in charge, Well according to Souness he did

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  7. He’s a very poor coach with no credibility.

    He lies and breaks promises to the fans.

    He said his job is to open Ashley’s wallet.
    We thought it was to take money out not fill it up.

    He promised that whole 35M will be spent on improving the squad … he double checked this was true with Ashley … and described it as “Andy carroll’s legacy to the team”.

    Still waiting Pardew.

    His CV stinks, he’s like a creepy used-car salesman.

    Can’t trust a word he says.

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  8. I think he’s brilliant.

    He’s a hands on manager who has his head about him in interviews. handles himself well and has fair banter. He is taking a hard footed stance with discipline too ie; Ranger (training) and more recently Enrique’s silly outburst.

    Tactically, we’ve not seen the best of him, we have been riddled with injuries for the most part of his first term with us, diminishing the range of depth, and in consequence, options. graham carr and the scouting team have added some fantastic players to the team, giving us a good squad to go into next season with.

    Gosling is going to fly next season, and I see Pardew has been blessed to inherit him.

    Cannot wait til the season starts! the team looks good, any more signing will be a bonus.

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  9. I think he is a coach.

    Pardew-identifies the need
    Carr- identifies possible targets in position of need
    Llambiase- negotiates the fee and wages

    I assume it is Llambiase and Ashley who determine what fee/wages are acceptable, and they are rather tight form the looks of it.

    I don’t mind that system. In fact, I much prefer it to the traditional “manager” role. Just think it would be better to have more of a football man in the Llambiase role

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  10. Agree with Ryan. Like to see a bit more of him but really have no complants on how he deals with the press and squad. Tactically he says the right things about playing an attacking/possession type system, and certainly has signed players that fit that mold. Plus he seems ot give the bairns a bit more of run out, whether out of necessity or not.

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  11. MDS, I think someone else does Llambias’ job as you state it, he simply sets the budget. Can’t remember the guy’s name though.

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  12. Seriously bored by some of the morons floating around the club masquerading as fans. They’re always bitching.

    They think they are armchair accountants or knowledgeable experts re the complexities of running a business with many deluded customers who are provided a voice by the press and new media.

    They kind of ruin the fun of supporting the club.

    Small time folk with small time thoughts. Negative, hate filled and spiteful. The only time they’re happy is when they get a hit, be it a signing or goal, they’re no different than junkies – Be off with them I say.

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  13. MDS

    Did you see the Orlando press conference where he chewed gum all the way through it?

    It looked terrible. Very unprofessional.

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  14. Stardust

    They only bitch because they care about the club.

    The management has been very poor and the criticism is well deserved.

    Accept mediocrity and that’s what you’ll get.

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  15. His interviews concern me in all honesty, but other than that he has done a great job so far and is improving on the interviews.

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  16. JOHNO TOON, I mean… In the blogs and tweets all what I read for Pardew is this two “puppet” and “yes man”. I didn’t see that when Hughton was in the club or it was less used. Everyone says how great was Hughton, but for Pards… I’m pleased by Huhgton’s work, but I most like the football which Newcastle play with Pardew and I don’t understand why the most of the fans are against him and always insulted him. Actualy I don’t know does exactly the most fans are against him, but basicly for the most ot the comments it’s looks like so.

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  17. I think Pardew has some say in transfers in the fact that he can submit a list of players that he and Carr agree on but then the money men step in and say if we can afford them – pretty much the same everywhere these days bar top 4 or 5

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  18. I’m not too sure of the difference nowadays. Harry Redknapp, despite being a prick, is regarded as a top class manager. Earlier this year, Redknapp admitted he knew nothing about which players were brought into a club. Could easily be a lie, but why would he bother? I think Ashley is pretty willing nowadays to allow managers (hoots/pards) to bring in the players they want, obviously just not for big bucks. He’s wary of the trouble a dennis wise character can cause so he hasn’t appointed one and perhaps has a more hands on approach.Unfortunately it seems Lambias is the man with the day to day running, and obviously he knows feck all….

    As to the question? Meh. He’s a manager…

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  19. Agree with what ur saying spitfire , but Hughton was labelled with that for a while himself, I get the feeling if Ashley bought messi ronaldo etc etc they would be called puppets and yes men too 😆

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  20. Geoff – as fans we have a responsibility to support – our remit is not to question the accounts except when we have facts proving the board is harming the club (eg FFS regime)

    Peoples hatred of Ashley tends to be a mob mentality – with no thought as to the truth or real position. The Mob will comfort themselves and riot on rumour or myth, because they believe they are right.

    The same principles applied in the dark ages.

    I’m glad we have some enlightened fans – but we have a significant amout of chumps with the same iq as chimps – one of those chimps posts as Potty79 on here.

    Batts 😆

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  21. Blip- cheers, i think you’re right.

    Geoff- I did see it. I could care less about chewing gum. I like the way he speaks his mind and gives us more info than any manager we’ve had in awhile. Do you prefer JFK’s rambling nonsense, or CH’s iniability/unwillingness to discuss anything of substance?

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  22. Stardust – Im still trying to get people to cotton to tge fact that Ashley isn’t cooking the books 😆

    You can gave a space on my bus 😉

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  23. Pardew reminds me of a political spin doctor.

    I genuinely think he is a good coach and his match preparation is excellent. My issue is that he is te boards mouthpiece when that really isn’t his place.

    Take Harry Redknapp as an example. Any questions about finances etc he blows off with ‘I don’t know’ and moves te questions on. Pardew comes up with a load of tosh winding up fans

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  24. Aye Toonsy – I wrecked my own bus when CH got sacked – wish I hadn’t – so I graciously accept and offer of a seat – as long as its at the back next to Batty 😆

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  25. They only bitch because they care about the club
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    Getting a bit tired of that excuse. Plenty of people love the club and don’t feel the need to bitch about every little thing. I mean serioulsy, the lads put in a very optimistic performance last night and now there are complaints of “gum chewing”. What’s next?

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  26. Our lives are finite, I choose to spend it being upbeat and happy, you’ve got to wonder about those who choose to live it hate filled and spiteful – oh yes I forgot its not their fault its always somebody elses

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  27. Stardust

    Okay we’ll all come on here and post “Yay United” on every article.

    The board and Pardew made promises to the fans about spending the AC money.

    Surely we can have expectations that they’ll keep their promises.

    When they don’t can we complain?

    Perhaps you should write an article on how fans should behave.

    A “Dummies Guide to Being a NUFC Fan”?

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  28. Whilst Hughton was labelled a yes man for a big part of his tenure, it became clear that he was trying to do his best for the team.The big difference between him and Pardew is that Pardew quite happily lies to the fans on a regular basis, repeating everything he is told to say in some sort of Fast Show character guise, repeatedly giving reassurances about this and that, even though he has not one iota of control over them… Hughton would never speak on behalf of the owner, preferring to say he was hopeful of/ wanting to get new signings in, leaving the onus on Ashley, rather than appearing to speak on his behalf as Pardew does.

    He’s a coach on the playing side, but a puppet on the control and movement of players.

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  29. 1st. Ashleys mouthpiece
    2nd. Coach.

    I pointed this out way before anyone latched onto it.

    I also identified Graham Carr as being the Director of Football before you’s latched on.

    Always one step ahead and still never had to show my arse in Fenwicks window. 😆 😆

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  30. I don’t think Pards is either informed or uninformed – he makes statements in accordance with the current position and his limited understanding. Carrolls a classic example – “he isn’t for sale” but anyone would be for sale for a certain price. That’s why I liked CH – he was an expert at averting attention for the wrong reasons.

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  31. I think I’ve just seen Pards on a Punch & Judy stand in Southport being smacked over the head by a fat Cockney. Why do all these Southerners in charge of our Club treat us as nupties. All this talk of signing Bridge, Crouch & Defoe is utter b….ocks. There is no way we can afford their sort of wages especially if we are not prepared to offer Joey and Jose a decent deal. We need Smith, Perch & Routledge off the payroll & quick. It’s time for honesty why don’t they just admit there is no money for transfers unless we sell again. We are a club with no ambition. Ashley wants to keep money back for the December window when he will hope to panic buy to keep us up. Nobody of any quality, let alone a striker capable of 20 goals a season, will be attracted to the club under the present regime

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  32. One thing that does concern me re Pards is his injury management, seems to put short term gambles ahead of long term goals

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  33. It’s amusing to see the same folk who were telling us that friendlies don’t matter etc etc following a couple of dire performances now so very excited following a victory against a 10 man team.

    Friendly results don’t matter too much (as you were so quick to agree following the poor performances) so could you lot stop spunking your knickers over the last result.

    It good that the performance improved (although it would be hard for it not to) but it doesn’t mean we’ll win the league. Remember, leaving the score aside, its one decent perfomance from three in the US.

    Pardew is a coach. He may submit some names or just the postions he wants but he has no say over the actual negotiatiations.
    Therefore he should say as little as possible about them – he seems to have learnt his lesson following the Carroll fiasco.

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  34. I also identified Graham Carr as being the Director of Football before you’s latched on.
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    Classic!

    Isn’t Pards the only “mouthpiece” at the club?

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  35. Pootle-Or you can just turn that argument around and all those people calling for Pardews head, for massive investment etc etc simply because two performances with vastly changed and an unfit squad are now, after a strong performance and a victory, declaring friendlies are pointless….

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  36. ” – as fans we have a responsibility to support – our remit is not to question the accounts except when we have facts proving the board is harming the club (eg FFS regime)”

    Lol. Talk about naive.
    We are paying customers – we have every right to question how our money is being spent. If you truly support Newcastle you should be fully prepared to question any aspect of its running which you feel may do it harm.

    Many people feel that aspects of Ashley’s ownership are harmful to the club and will prove damaging in the long term. They speak up because the love Newcastle, if they didn’t they wouldn’t feel the need o say anything at all.

    You were born in the wrong era. You’re blind optimism and unwavering, unthinking, uncritical support coupled with your pure disdain for anyone who doesn’t toe your ‘party line’ would have made you a great Nazi.

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  37. So people that aren’t ultra critical of the club or talk about their criticisms consistently are Nazis…. 😆

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  38. Actually Newkie, if you are aiming that at me, you’ll find I said that the results weren’t really important and too much should not be placed on them following the poor performances.

    I said before, during and after the friendlies that the squad does not have enough quality and depth and needs a minimum of two signings and ideally more, to have the quality required to improve this year.

    Unlike some folk who have been so easily swayed by our historic victory over American soccer giants Columbus, I still believe the above sentiments to be true.

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  39. I reitterate what i said the other day pardew is the worst tactician we have had the team play with no plan and if he is responsible for selecting transfer targets how come the BIG striker we are trying to sign(Erdinc) has scored nine goals in forty odd games that puts him in the Ameobi class Ask a sunday footbal coach even a pro ashley one what they think of his coaching abilities I am suprised that ashley didnt sack him after his substituions cost us places in the league and Cash

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  40. MDS- :mrgreen: That Gum chewing thing was just ridiculous. Who would honestly say no to fergie managing their team for 15 years? Madness…some people have their head in the clouds 🙄

    Pootle-It wasn’t personally aimed at you, I was offering up another interpretation of your sentiment. Just as many people, if not more, bemoaned a useless Newcastle team that would definitely get relegated due to such performances against teams already at full fitness and possible peak seasonal fitness, during their season. Then as soon as we win, with several good performances, friendlies once again become pointless.

    I agree, we need some more quality, and I’ve banged on about how deals for certain players in our squad should have been sorted out ages ago which would leave us being able to bring more quality in with ease. We should have more quality, but on our current signings, incoming and outgoing, I think we’ve already improved this year.

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  41. I’m not qualified to say if he is more a coach than a manager but, overall, given the nature of NUFC, the difficulty he had in coming in – by no means the fans choice to replace the popular and ousted Hughton – and having to work under a very no-holds-barred owner who gives little, if anything, away, then I think he is doing very well. I also think he is the kind of person who responds well to support and so the more we show him our support, the more relaxed and confident he will become which will affect the squad and, thereby, our performances on the pitch.

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  42. Steven Olsen-You’re going to Judge on one season?

    Well in that case, I suppose Rooney on 12 goals, a couple more than Bambi and playing in the title winning team is also basically in the Ameobi class? Don’t judge on one season. Erdinc was player of the year in the previous season and was third in the league top scorers..

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  43. I like pardew talks a good game, players seem to like him and has actually got a good record as a manager. Think he’s more of a coach but who cares as long as he’s happy with it and he gets results.

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  44. Geoff77 @ 10 his record as a manager is decent. Took a relagation threatened reading side and got to playoff final and got beat, got automatic promotion next year, then finished 4th in his first year in championship. Then took over west ham got beat in a playoff final, got promoted th next year. finish 9th in his first year in prem. then got sacked the next year as they were doing pap(second season syndrome). Did terrible at charlton to be fair but they were useless at the time and had no money. Then took over southampton nearly got them in playoffs despite 10 point deduction and won them their first trophy in over 30years then fell out with the chairwomen and got sacked.
    He’s also got a better win % than mark hughes,steve bruce and harry redknapp.

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  45. Rorycn the problem with Pards is that he gets the Blame for the Hoots divorce, I would far rather have the type of footie that he plays over Hoots any day, as for talking to the press I know pards talks a lot but I would still prefer that than Hoots treating us like mushrooms.
    TBH I think there is maybe only 2 or 3 proper ( in the sense that they control everything ) managers in the prem now.

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  46. fans of every club he’s worked at say he improved the level of football and we played more attacking football under him last season than Hughton
    jeez give the bloke a break, we’ll see now he has the nucleus of his ‘own team’

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  47. Toonsy @ 29

    …..which many do as we see after every press conference he does. Totally un necessary in my opinion. Coach the team Pards, you don’t manage the finances so just be honest and say you don’t know and it’s beyond your control.

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  48. @57

    During the comprehensive record you just displayed, there were a few things missed out.

    We know which side of the fence you sit on 😀

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  49. Did crap at charlton and had a bad year at west ham. That’s about right i reckon.no?

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  50. fans say ashley never says anything to the fans,he talks to us most days thing is it comes oot of pardews gob, simples 😯

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  51. Think he is more of a coach as finances definitely controlled by Ashley/Llambias. Pardew will probably be judged mostly on the coming season. If he can’t design a formation to properly use the new players or if they just don’t cut it in the Prem he is in deep trouble. If on the other hand we start to climb the table most of us would be happy. Can’t see Llambias as a managing director at any other team however. Maybe he is good at hiring dealers at casinos but that is about it. Applying Ashley’s keep it cheap rules to the football club should be relatively easy. Obviously this means the talk of Defoe coming is complete bollocks. His wage would knock our wage cap for 6 and we would never pay 10M at his age.

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  52. Pootle…can I assume then that you interrogate your energy supplier about it’s profit & loss, income & expenditure, recruitment policy etc when given you’re a paying customer?

    I appreciate football is different but just because your a fan doesn’t entitle you to knowing the in & outs of the club.

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  53. Pardew looks like a pigeon. However, he ain’t a bad coach really. I just doubt he’s got his principles in check, I get the impression he’d lie for Ashley if needs be. Hughton was honest, dignified and put the fans first… that’s why Ashley sacked him.

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  54. Its an impossibility to be a nufc fan. its like mds writesyou love the club so much but hate the crap surrounding t them I am hypercritical of the ashley regime because they can’t or won’t produce what we all want. nights like barcelona and newcastle 5 man u 0 yes i know im living in the past
    but i ‘m old and not very well and it breaks my heart to think barring a f***ing miracle I ‘ll never see them win anything again with keegan and robson I had hope
    these lot have taken that away from us and it hurts like hell Idont care if ashley takes a million pound a week or DL a prances bollock naked on the pitch on matchdays
    just gives us a team that can compete with at least the top six I believe that this club has the resources to acheive this whose fault is it that we dont, fans
    demanding too much Ashley and lambias for funds players for not winning matches or Pardew and the coaching team. im lucky I have seen them win trophies no like you youngsters but still it could be worse theres fifteen other teams not likely to win any thing either

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  55. Paedew ?
    Tell the truth , would you buy a used car from this guy ?

    After all the bullshit he has fed us in the short time he has been here, how much has been proven true ?

    How many times has he had to either retract or try and bullshit his way out of some statement that turned out to be false?

    Face it the guy is an Ashley yes man, the only kind of person Ashley hires, due to the fact he is a control freak.

    Is he a coach then ?
    So far he has shown little sign of knowing much about the tactical side of football,

    So what is his actual job ?
    Hell he’s the manager, the guy who runs the team , tells Ashley who he wants, insists on spending all of the Carroll fee on the team, employs the tactical role’s for everyone, i’m talking about the guy who runs things ‘

    He is also the club mouthpiece, the guy who informs the fans about every little thing that concerns NUFC whether right or wrong and has yet to find a subject he cant pontificate on
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    Look Ashley has made any number of misrakes since he took over this club, but now he is sure he knows how to run it successfully.

    Except successfully to him is making a profit, whareas it means silverware to most fans, he cant tolorate a real manager, thats why he hired Pardew, plus his other casino buddy Llambias and making a profit is what he intends to do as long as he is the owner.

    Where does that leave us, the fans?
    Well supporting the Everton of the north east, without that sides decent manager and a mid league side.

    Hey ! if thats ok with you, so be it !
    Personally i think this club needs a bit of success, something we havent had in over sixty years, how much longer do we have to wait /

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  56. “can I assume then that you interrogate your energy supplier about it’s profit & loss, income & expenditure, recruitment policy etc when given you’re a paying customer?
    I appreciate football is different but just because your a fan doesn’t entitle you to knowing the in & outs of the club.”

    I think, as you alluded, comparisons like this are facile.
    But I offer these thoughts on your comments:
    If my energy supplier raises my bill despite a fall in the price of oil, gas and coal and despite making huge record profits then your damn right I’ll be asking questions. And so hopefully would the energy regulators.

    What would you do? Just go “Herp derp!!!! Sure I’ll pay what ever bill you send me no questions asked!!!”
    Of course you wouldn’t.

    Actually I know in this instance asking questions and demonstrating my unhappiness would be better served by simply switching to an energy supplier who offers a better deal.

    Which you cant do as a supporter of a football club, rendering the whole comparison pointless, but I’m sure you see what I’m saying.

    Think of it more like paying your Council Tax, you do care what they spend council tax on don’t you?
    After all you have a vested interest in checking that they are spending it wisely.

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  57. @MDS
    “So people that aren’t ultra critical of the club or talk about their criticisms consistently are Nazis…. ”

    No MDS. Not only did I not say that I never hinted at it.
    I’m talking about people who make comments like this one . .

    “Seriously bored by some of the morons floating around the club masquerading as fans. They’re always bitching.
    They think they are armchair accountants or knowledgeable experts re the complexities of running a business with many deluded customers who are provided a voice by the press and new media.
    They kind of ruin the fun of supporting the club.
    Small time folk with small time thoughts. Negative, hate filled and spiteful. The only time they’re happy is when they get a hit, be it a signing or goal, they’re no different than junkies – Be off with them I say.”

    and this one . .
    “as fans we have a responsibility to support – our remit is not to question the accounts except when we have facts proving the board is harming the club (eg FFS regime)
    Peoples hatred of Ashley tends to be a mob mentality – with no thought as to the truth or real position. The Mob will comfort themselves and riot on rumour or myth, because they believe they are right.
    The same principles applied in the dark ages.
    I’m glad we have some enlightened fans – but we have a significant amout of chumps with the same iq as chimps – one of those chimps posts as Potty79 on here”

    Almost nothing in either post is true or anything other than an over inflated opinion stated as fact.
    The ‘Nazis’ I referred to are the sort of people who state that people who are critical of Ashley hate everything and hate the club.
    Yet go on to say how much they hated Freddie Shepherd, and cant see the hypocrisy in their statement.

    They almost always want everyone who doesnt agree with them fully to ‘just shut up and go away’ or worse.

    They often suggest that people who don’t like Ashley or want answers to questions about certain aspects of the dealings of the club aren’t real fans.

    They constantly make appeals to authority to back up their arguments “Mike Ashley is a successful businessman so he must know what he’s doing” – implying businessmen are by nature experts in all areas of business and commerce or are in some way immune from making bad, dishonest or corrupt decisions, which is obviously a ridiculous suggestion.
    Anyone remember Gerald Ratner?

    They accuse anyone who criticises Ashley of ‘mob mentality’ and being unable to see the truth or use reason.
    Then in the same breath suggest that we should not ask questions about finances. They are unable to see their rank hypocrisy. They are the living embodiment of group-think but are unable to see or admit it.

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  58. As an aside:
    Another argument I’ve been hearing a bit lately is, “Why be surprised about the lies etc? Lots of people in football lie or do dodgy deals – just ignore it etc”

    Firstly nobody is surprised about the lies anymore. They are angry or disappointed by them.

    Secondly, lots of theft, rape and murder occurs in the world, we dont just say “Oh well dont be surprised – just try to pretend it isn’t happening”.

    The fact that bad things happen is not a particularly good argument for saying “Oh well lets just ignore morality or acceptible standards of behaviour”

    I imagine you folk don’t raise your children with that as guideline to morality and if you do I certainly hope i dont live near you.

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  59. pootle talks a lot of sense IIknow that of us arent happy with the present regimei ts the players on the pitch that we support and any sort of protest would ultimately affect team performances were never all going to agree on how the club is run or how god or bad the team is run Ive made my views clear on what i think of pardews ability as coach replies say trhat he improved reading west ham and charlton and fell out with southampton
    how could he not they were all absolute crap before he went if he is a manager he is a pretty poor one hes sold our club captain second highest goal scorer the most promising young striker in the premiership even if you are talking hard cash holding onto carroll one more good season would have made him worth more than torres especially with joey barton providing ammunition. then you bring in what he admits himself are exoensive Free ? players no disrespect to the french players that have arrived and I hope that they all turn out to be world beaters but they come from second tier french teams and i think most of us would consider the french ligue to be second tier in europe add to this demba ba with his dodgy knee I hope that it comes of and we at least see some good football and mid league respectability that im afraid is the best we can hope for under the present regime some of you may be content with that
    but many others are not and believe we deserve better treatment from the club off the pitch and a team hworthy of the support we give it on the pitch

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