The latest instalment of the Tyne-Wear derby will soon be upon us and with it will come the inevitable conflicting myriad of emotion.
The last feeling I had regarding this fixture was one of hurt, embarrassment even. That 3-0 defeat wasn’t nice but at least I now kind of understand how a Mackem feels. I don’t want to experience that again but unfortunately I can’t do a lot about it. It’s up to the players to make amends but a brief sit down with a DVD of that game at St James’ Park last season should at least get the players fired up for it.
Anyway, I really don’t need to go on. We all know what this means and on the other side of the divide is a fan base who will be thinking and feeling exactly the same as we are.
The match preview went online yesterday so it’s there for you to view if you wish to do so. It’s accessible using the links at the bottom of the page and features injury news, stats, facts and a history of the fixture. The official team news will be published below as and when it becomes available.
For a number of reasons this game is an early kick-off. Safety is one but also Sky TV have had their say as they always seem to do. The good news with that though is that the match is live on the TV here in the UK so catching a stream should be that little bit easier. Also a whole host of overseas channels are broadcasting the match thus increasing the possibilities further so if you do find a decent stream then please share it by leaving a link in the ‘comments’ section below.
That’s it. I’m off to bite my fingers down to the bone. See you on the other side!
Howay the lads!
Sunderland: Kieren Westwood, Phil Bardsley, Andrea Dossena, John O’Shea, Carlos Cuellar, Lee Cattermole, Jack Colback, Sebastian Larsson, Adam Johnson, Jozy Altidore, Steven Fletcher
Subs: Vito Mannone, Ki Sung-Yueng, Craig Gardner, Ondrej Celustka, Emanuele Giaccherini, Valentin Roberge, Fabio Borini
Newcastle: Tim Krul; Mathieu Debuchy, Mike Williamson, Paul Dummett, Davide Santon; Moussa Sissoko, Cheik Tiote, Yohan Cabaye; Yoan Gouffran, Hatem Ben Arfa, Loic Remy
Subs: Rob Elliot, Massadio Haïdara, Vurnon Anita, Gabriel Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi, Papiss Cissé
Mark…I’m assuming you’re talking about Lee Ryder, he’ll be curled up in a corner crying somewhere wondering how after all his **** licking he still managed to incur the wrath of Ashley 😉
richietoon(Quote)
Mark – you’re right mate, it was all Ashley and Pardews fault that like … ?! 😕 🙄
Sharpy17(Quote)
look there was no disputing that it was a horrid game but we should have put the ball in the back of the net a second time while we had the ascendancy in the second half… Not doing so, cost us dearly and Borini will never hit another shot as well as that…***** 👿
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie… yep agree and Borini the fecker has only ever scored 2 prem goals both against us 👿
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Richie, as soon as it left his foot my heart sank 😕 … However, I’m not buying all the doom and gloom.. Sunderland set out to make it difficult for us and the did it.. It found a few players out and hopefully Pardew responds in kind and benches the guilty…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie…agree again, except my heart sank when it left his right foot 😉
richietoon(Quote)
oops soz read it as left foot, I blame the hangover 😳
richietoon(Quote)
At least be correct when you’re correcting me cuda! 😆
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I’ll try 😳 😳 😆
richietoon(Quote)
Benny – Sissoko – Cisse – bench time to be served…. Fill the gaps as you will Pardz… 😉
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie I would agree with that, them 3 were beyond ***** yesterday, and the rest not much better tbh. Not feeling much better about the whole show today , especially given we were clearly the better side out of two gash sides.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Was your roast nice though Kim? 😀
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie , Yes, very nice but I got indigestion watching that shower 🙄
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim 😆 I must admit I took a while to get to sleep last night.. I was really agitated by the result 👿
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie – I agree. Sunderland broke the play up and gave us no time on the ball. But we had our chances and had we scored again at 1-1, I think their heads would have dropped and we could have went on to win it. Hypothetical I know, but you could see that their arses went after we scored – probably coz Swansea hit 3 in 5mins last week.
I’ve been told that player for player we are miles ahead of Sunderland, so we should have had enough to get a result yesterday, as according to the stats we had twice as many goal attempts as them – 8 v 16 – Shots on target 4 v 4, shots off target 4 v 12.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Being honest, I think I was more miffed off at the Hull defeat.
Against Hull we were truly **** and put little to no effort in that I saw. Yesterday we gave it a go but didn’t take our chances when we had them. Performance wise I thought we were better yesterday than against Hull, but obviously yesterday hurts more coz it was against the scum.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Still gutted with that display yet again we showed how weak we can be we really need a leader on the pitch that has the balls to tell a team mate to sort his **** out.
Yeah Benny was poor but still shows glimpses of what he can do, but for me Sissoko looks out of his depth, Goofy was AWOL aswell
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Sharpy, yep they were there for the taking after Debuchy scored.. we had our chances but Sunderland had near on everyone camped in the box and we were reduced to looking to score from distance.. We lacked a little patience and we should have looked to pull them out of position, with some sharper passing.. Instead we kept on cutting/dribbling in from out wide into a wall of red and white shirts.. We needed to move the ball with speed but we tended to do the same thing over and over again. We lacked a little imagination to be honest.. but saying that, I have watched a heap of Man U games this season and they have been just as dour, if not more so in attack..
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
There seems to be a little theme coming through from journos on twitter. They seem to be mentioning the consistency, or lack of it quite a lot and linking it to whether Pardew is getting the best out if the players.
I have to say, I think we looked really poor going forward and some of the players didn’t look up for it at all.
With all the foreign players we have, is it time we brought in a more technical coach like a Pochittino (not actually him) or someone like that?
Consistency is a real problem though, it seems to me that it’s the intensity which is missing in our approach when were poor. That is were the manager comes into it amd I wonder whether he’s pushing as much as he could?
I’m starting to think Pardew has pretty much taken us as far as he can, but I’m also not sure that a new manager would achieve anything better. In the summer Pardew asked for a left winger, a centre half and a striker, he got a striker on loan! Is there anyone who we could afford that would do a better job working for this regime?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart, how do you coach intensity into a player? I am not being a smart **** with that comment mate, for me, you either have it or you don’t.
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie – You don’t coach intensity, you make sure the intensity is there for every game through motivation. Keeping players on their toes. Fergie was a master at it.
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Aussie – totally agree mate. When you watch the likes of Arsenal and Lpool on the attack at the moment they are playing quick little one twos, reverse passes in between defenders and seem to know where each other are. Us on the attack, particularly Benny just seem to want to cut in from the right and hit a left foot shot. 2 problems with that, firstly the opponents expect that know and put bodies in the way (as Sunderland did), secondly the Newcastle players know that and know they aren’t getting played in and at best they are looking for a rebound or palmed save from the keeper. I agree we need to be more creative in and around the box.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Im most angry that we are still giving **** relegation fodder a leg up: Reading, Wigan and sunderland last season, Hull and these useless clowns again this and even Terry connor got his only point in charge of wolves against us from 2-0 down the season we finished 5th under Pardew.
The only consistancy is the inconsistancy, A tenth of the intensity we showed at Villa or Cardiff would have done for them yesterday…
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Stu – I think Pards is showing consistency in team selection and formation. It’s the players that are showing inconsistencies, and there has to be some personal responsibility for that like. Equally players have to have self motivation too. Pardew can work on it through the week, but once they cross that white line it’s down to them as a team and individuals to be motivated, motivate each other and perform – IMO.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I thought Tiote had another good game yesterday and was one of the only ones who didn’t shirk out and get crushed by players like Colback 😳
What we need is someone with quick passing who can keep the ball on the deck and while it doesn’t always have to be incisive passing it needs to be high tempo and accurate. Strange, I could have sworn we had a player in our ranks who could do that….drop Sissoko and get Anita in there ffs! We are never clever around the opposition box, it just switches between Benny and Cabaye taking punts from 30 yards out and trying to better each other.
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Newkie – I’d swap Sissoko for Anita too mate.
My concern now though, with us about to play Chelsea, City and Spuds is that Pards could make wholesale changes and try and set us up more defensively – I hope not.
If I were Pardew, I’d spend the week playing 5 a side. Krul, Debuchy, Willo, Colo and Santon verus Elliott, Benny, Remy, Gouffran and Cisse.
It would work on the forwards quick interchanging passes and finding through balls – telling the forwards they can’t shoot until they have had 5 consecutive passes. At the same time, it would work on the defenders defending against that style of play.
The midfield could work on passing and movement and making sure the player on the ball always has an option. Similar to Arsenals midfield where they have like a triangle of players to pass the ball around.
Sharpy17(Quote)
You are bang on the money there Newkie. I couldnt have reworded what I said earlier any better mate! 😛
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
I think a combination of weak defending and just them wanting it more cost us, Poyet knew we would be weak at the back and they exploited it with Fletcher after 5 minutes with a simple short corner and cross into the box, but who was closing down and stopping the cross from coming in? I also don’t think Gouffran touched the ball for the first 15 minutes, he works hard but did nothing much in this game, Ben Arfa is usually too casual for a game like this and every time he got the ball they just stuck 3 players on him and got the ball back. Overall the tactics were poor and the players were awful and just didn’t look up for it. After a couple of injuries and suspensions we have no depth and are down to really inexperienced players. Worrying that we have a hard run of games coming up.
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Never mind Poyet, what about Borini? Two Premier League goals, both against Newcastle. 😕
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Sharpy-Aye, and I suppose Sissoko is one of our only outlets at countering and taking him out might make us more defensive, we know there’s no real chance of a break and a goal with Anita but I just think we need to develop the side, even if we lose all those games, just get a sense of ourselves and show some signs of improvement.
Very funny Aus-except I’ve been saying it for weeks, since last season in fact 😉 And all the while people saying we should sell Tiote in the summer because he is rubbish…he’s been our best midfielder in both of the last two games, despite the fact people cream themselves over Cabaye. He also seems to be the only one who cares.
DJG-Says it all, he’s a terrible footballer and comes out with a worldie. It was just like Vaughun’s goal last year ffs 😕
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Aussie – you’re a right sarcastic sod mate 😆
DJG – I think that was one of the most annoying things about both of their goals – we weren’t switched on to their quick short corner and weren’t switched on to their quick freekick on the bloody halfway line!.
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NEWKIE
I agree mate, too many fair weather players, flair players and casual players at the club now for a game like that where grit is what is needed. (Not that we played fancy football because we were awful, apart from a couple of minutes in the second half) I would have preferred to see Anita and Tiote in the middle because at least Anita gets stuck in and is a bit crafty.
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TIME.FOR.CHANGE
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Sissoko is like a young Ameobi, far too soft in the air for a big lad, needs to work on his heading in training.
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DJG-Aye exactly. It’s embarrassing to see people like Colback dominating the midfield. Too many lightweights and fair weather players. We can’t really blame Remy for not getting stuck in because I doubt he really cares all that much, but none of the others are on loan ffs. They saw what happened in the city after the home defeat, they know what this means for the fans.
Starting to think maybe we should go back for Gomis, we need someone who will put themselves about up top and obviously Shola is only good for that for about 10 minutes.
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Newkie – WTF has happened to Marveaux?.
I would have considered replacing Sissoko for Marv as he chips in the assists and could be Cabaye on the left side of midfield. Not wide left just left of a 3 man midfield or Cabaye/Tiote/Marv.
But Marv just seems to have disappeared again.
He must be injured if Obertan is making the bench ahead of him but I certainly haven’t heard anything
Sharpy17(Quote)
DJG-He’s like a young ameobi meets Obertan. All the power and pace to boot, but no heart. He made cattermole look competent.
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Sharpy-who knows mate, not heard anything about injuries. Probably annoyed at being benched. He is also a fair weather player but I agree, he does some nous and ability and he will actually pass the ball unlike a few of our attackers. Certainly would make the bench ahead of Oba for me. Would be a good sub for Benny if he’s not having a good day after half time or 60.
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Sharpy – Aye, it’s very strange that Marveaux does even come on as a sub or anything. When he has played he’s looked class at times and has been a regular assist provider and has a goal in him. I can’t understand why he is a forgotten man at the club. He would have offered more than Ben Arfa did yesterday in my opinion.
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Newkie – do you think Gomis would?. I think Finnbogason would be a better option personally. I think Gomis would be ANOTHER fair weather player who would maybe give 100% against the big teams but wouldn’t bother against the likes of Hull or Fulham. I think Gomis may see us as a stepping stone, joining for money. Where Finnbogason I think would certainly see us a step up and opportunity to prove himself at the highest level. I also think he’s a player that would stick his head in knowing he’s likely to get a kick.
I think a Finnbogason or Shane Long is the type of player we need – to put themselves in where our current bunch won’t. Get one or both of those with a Tom Ince and that for me would allow Pardew so many more options with what he already has.
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Newkie – I agree, the difference between Marveaux and Ben Arfa is that Marveaux knows when to release the ball. Cabaye usually had long passes to someone in space because his passes are so obvious and telegraphed but Marveaux can pass it quickly into a forward without being so obvious.
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Agree with Stuart79 –
Pardew is not getting the best out if the players.
We look really rubbish going forward with no idea what to do when we were in the final third. I watched the Villa vs Everton game & both teams had different styles but knew how they should play in the final third.
We’ve got a whole set of technical players and we definitely need a more technical coach.
Just take a look at Liverpool & Rodgers. Under Dalgleish they were worse than us. Sure they’ve signed some players but Brendan Rodgers does actually coach them to play the way the do, and the same with Wenger, Pochettino, Martinez etc.
Intensity is definitely missing and that should come from the manager. Sunderland were more intense than us & that’s the reason they won it. Even clubs like Barcelona & Bayern Munich play with high tempo & intensity. It’s a basic requirement in modern football.
Pardew has taken us as far as he can. The truth is we don’t have many great English players and & we have no great English managers.
Why aren’t there any English managers in the top leagues abroad??
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Marveaux is a better player than Ben Arfa. He just isn’t as flashy and doesn’t (at the moment) have the tenacity to handle rough games.
Put him in a no contact game of football & he’d be MOTM.
In my opinion he has already proved himself. One of the best assist makers in the league last year for minutes played. That was despite him having to come on as a sub, play in a poor performing team & not have the faith of the manager.
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Cisse needs Marveau more than anyone else.
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Sharpy-well, he probably wouldn’t show commitment every match I agree with you there, I just meant someone with enough physical presence to actually challenge the centre backs in the air, maybe even win a header once or twice! I don’t think he could take many more steps up that us tbh. Fingo would be a bit more of a risk but definitely more potential. I don’t really care now to be honest, I’d take any centre forward over Cisse right now.
DJG-Can’t argue with that. That’s why Benny is so frustrating, obviously more talented but at least Marv will keep his eye open. Like you said, cabs likes to pump the ball cross field, he is capable of truly sublime through balls but they onl seem to happen once every 10/15 games and his feet just aren’t quick enough to spray the ball about at a high tempo like Marv or Anita.
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DJG – yeah, I think an in form Marv would be cracking option to have in the squad. His time with us has been really strange. Times last season where he looked class and his through ball to Cisse for the winner against Fulham showed great vision. But then he’s had games where he’s been completely anonymous – gets dropped and falls of the map altogether. Really weird.
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Sharpy-Yeah, I think most of his Europa matches he was invisible but then the majority of the Prem ones he looked top notch. I think he tracks back less than Benny and obviously Pardew worries about that. Maybe stick him where Sissoko is, advanced midfield role and leave Tiote/ Cabs behind him. We might even get away with playing Benny as a false number 9 if we have him linking up with Marv, problem then is if neither of them put in a shift we’re buggered. I’d play Remy up top in that case because I don’t think Cisse likes through balls, they tend to mean he needs to run with the ball and think about his shot which he struggles with 😕
Newkie(Quote)
The problem at NUFC is a reflection of the problem in English football.
We try to bring in English players through the academy & our most successful ones in the last decade have been, STaylor, Shola, Carroll & Ranger.
None of those players are anywhere near good enough & most teams in the league would rather get rid of them than keep them. Compare that to Real Sociedad who are kind of like the NUFC of La Liga.
They’ve recently produced from the academy Illarramendi, a 23 year old sold for £34m to Real Madrid. He is a classy, composed, ball-playing midfielder, who is the heartbeat of the team, sitting in front of the back four to dictate the game’s flow and tempo with a wonderful range of passing. – not my quote.
They’ve also produced Griezmann, a 22 year old forward who is one of the most promising players in La Liga.
Honestly, the have nearly an entire team of very good home grown players who actually played themselves into the Champions League. It’s going to be another 10+ years before we see something like that at NUFC. And we won’t see it because our academy/coaching is so bad.
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Newkie – I know what you mean mate but we aren’t really a team that puts balls into the box, and don’t really have wide players that would hug the line and whip crosses in. Gomis may work out better in corners and freekicks. But the way we play I personally think a Finbo would be a better (agreed riskier) option.
I’d rather have an in form Marveaux in the team than an in form Benny to be honest. An in Benny would still look to take on and beat 4 defenders before taking the shot on himself – if it comes off it looks great – for Benny. While the other 9 out field players stand and watch. Plus opponents can defend against that.
Where as an inform Marv plays with his head up and can create goals for others which is way harder to defend against, and IMO is much better to watch. Plus he would chip in with the odd goal or two himself as well I reckon.
Sharpy17(Quote)
KK-Exactly. The last 15 years or so our coaching has been horrific. We’ve always been pretty bad because our coaches have ignored other players brought to them as youngsters and deemed them not good enough. We have a good monopoly on the north east and as an area of England have produced some of the nations best ever footballers and yet we’re terrible at developing them at Newcastle United. It’s a grassroots issue and we need serious investment and a complete overhaul of how we go about finding and developing these players. If Ashley had only done that when he first arrived we might be reaping some of the rewards now and we wouldn’t need to buy cheap imports and then worry about the home grown quota. We all know serious investment in that area won’t happen though, so we’re going nowhere with it.
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Sharpy-we are capable of it though, but not with accuracy I agree. But we need some presence, yesterday we had willo win a few balls at the back post and knock it back in but nobody has stones to go for it, basically we have Debuchy as a half decent aerial threat, no one else. Shocking. You look how simple the scum’s goal is, how can we not manage something like that?
I agree with you, if we could get consistency and form out of Marv he would be a definite starter.
Newkie(Quote)
The problem at NUFC is a reflection of the problem in English football. – second post on this because it’s so bad.
As bad as the English players are, the coaches/managers are worse. SBR managed PSV, Sporting, Porto & even Barcelona. What other English manager has a CV half as good as that.
SBR did all of that before coming to us. And he wanted to bring Mourinho…Jose Mourinho…as his assistant but was instead stuck with John Carver.
John Carver, who’s at the club because he’s a geordie. Career highlights other than Newcastle are Leeds, Toronto FC, Plymouth Argyle, Sheffield United (because he knew Gary Speed).
The coaching in this country is rubbish which is why we’re developing rubbish players. We haven’t moved on in the same way as the rest of the world.
How long before we see another Alan Shearer caliber player??
KK(Quote)
—————— Krul —————-
Debuchy – Colo – Willo – Santon
—————– Tiote —————
—— Cabaye —- Marveaux —–
Goof ——- Cisse ——- Remy
I know there would be those who would rather see Benny in place of Cisse. Both are in poor form so I’d not have a problem with that TBH, but personally I think Cisse is more likely to stick at playing through the middle and would get into the box more often than Benny would.
I know it also looks like I’m leaving the defence a bit exposed, but if we try and adopt a style of play similar to Southampton, where those front 5 would press the ball high up and work their bollocks off to win it back, then it would/could work IMO.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Not only do we have pretty much the whole of the North East to scout from (we are the biggest club in the north east), I would say we have all of Scotland too.
So many young kids would love to have a chance of one day turning out in the Premier League.
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Newkie @255 😉 put the players on a no play no pay deal. Money seems to be the main motivational factor for our players. If they look like missing out on cash it might fire them up a bit….
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Newkie – not just yesterday, against Liverpool as well mate. I really don’t like this false no. 9 think and Remy hasn’t looked half as threatening with Benny through there instead of Cisse.
I know Cisse isn’t in form at the moment, but I think he’s a better foil for Remy and Gouffran and he’s a presence in the box for defenders to worry about.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy-that’s a good line up, I’d probably have Cabaye doing more donkey work as box to box though than having him as advanced as Marv. And yes, I am going to disagree with the Cisse selection. I’d like to see Benny played ahead of that midfield because I think the through balls from Marv/Cabs would work much better for him and if we dropped back we’d have a nice little technical midfield. Cisse works hard but surely we all know now that passes into feet don’t work for him, whether he has his back to goal or to run on to. He feeds off cut backs, crosses/scrappy crosses and knock downs from what I can see.
Basically anything just with instinct. I think Benny might be a bit cleverer, but then on current form theres nowt to choose between them really.
Newkie(Quote)
Aussie-it would be a sweet day if one day footballers were made to work for their money every time, rather than just turning up and seeing whether they feel bothered or not on the day.
Sharpy-true but what help does he get? No service and no support from the headless chicken Sissoko. The same can be said for Cisse for sure but even so. It would be between Remy and Benny playing ahead of those two for me. Cisse just does not suit passing football on the deck, not in my book. I don’t think Remy looking less effective has anything to do with Benny or Cisse playing up top, he got no service or real interplay from either of them, it was just whether he was on his day or not. If we stuck Remy up there though and had him hammer in all the goals we’d be up the creek when we lost out on him…Although I guess we will be in any case.
Newkie(Quote)
Just wish this lot would alk find forn together and click.
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I have to admit that was salt rubbed in the wounds by Sunderland. I thought we played alright overall but Sunderland had more fight in them. If we have any chance of finishing in the top half we must treat every team the same and not underestimate any team. I don’t blame Dummett but I expect more from Arfa and Sissoko ( who is not a LM). Sunderland came out fighting and I’m a little disappointed to say the least. Pardew really has to take a look in the mirror about his team selection.
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KK – sir bobby was a one off though mate. However Steve McClaren has spred his wings and managed in Europe – him or Pardew?.
Personally I’d like to see us poach the head coach of someone like Ajax or someone like that. A club with a rich history or developing youth players. Dario Grady would have been a good English option, he brought loads through a Crewe.
I’d like to have Stu Pearce at the club personally. I honestly think he’d do a great job.
Regarding Scotland though mate, I think Celtic and Ranger (to a degree) still have the monopoly on young Scottish players. Particularly Celtic, with nailed on title medals and CL footy on offer.
That’s said, Grant Hanley and Jordan Rhodes are both at Blackburn – but are they good enough?!, maybe Rhodes but then he’s not a Scotland regular so how good is he really?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Cisse gave the ball away at every opportunity yesterday. He isn’t ever going to cut the mustard, no matter how much we all play him. We need a new option up front
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Should bring Ian Holloway in. Granted we’d still be **** and completely tactically inept but at least we’d have a laugh in the post match interviews
Moreno(Quote)
Newkie I agree with you, without remy this team would be in a relegation battle. Cisse is a lost cause and no matter how much everyone expects him to turn it around ( I don’t). Sissoko is not a left midfielder and we need to get rid of a defensive midfielder Anita, Toite, Sissoko take your pick to get a decent LM.
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Ian Holloway at toon I could do with a laugh after Sunderland.
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Well I really hope Anita gets a start next time out as I don’t think he’s done anything to deserve being dropped again. Sissoko was awful yesterday totally out the game and out muscled which is strange for a big lad. They were very clever in that once we got a grip on the game they started falling over at any opportunity to break up the play and slow things down. They defended in numbers more than with skill and we couldn’t break down the wall of red and white ,we were devoid of any imagination in the final third and reduced to pot shots from distance from Benny and Cabs which is just embarrassing tbh as we have the players to play a decent passage of play into the box but quite simply didn’t. Pards record as a manager in charge of derbies is not good at all and I’m dreading them coming to SJP as if they can pull off a result like that when **** what can they do with January re-enforcements and a possible return to form under Gus.
KIMTOON(Quote)
@Sharpy
Mclaren or pardew isn’t a fair choice although mclaren has a much better cv than pardew.
The point i was making was that we have foreign players & foreign managers at all of the top clubs woth english players being a minority. I can’t think of any english manager at a big club.
There is no conspiracy. The truth is english footballers & managers are not as good as their foreign counterparts. If as a club we want to improve we need to either:
a) change the entire landscape & fabric of english football to develop young players, coaches & managers or
b) bring in a foreign manager & foreign coaches to work with our foreign players & help improve our homegrown ones.
I agree about poaching the head coach of ajax or something similar.
KK(Quote)
Lads ,I could see Ollie doing ok actually ,he likes to play attractive football and is much smarter than people credit him with . He would be in dreamland with the lads we have but I fear he would end up decking JFK and Ash as he doesn’t suffer fools gladly. 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
“SBR did all of that before coming to us. And he wanted to bring Mourinho…Jose Mourinho…as his assistant but was instead stuck with John Carver.”
He actually brought in Mick Wadsworth who he knew from the FA. He fecked off to southampton after we had finished 11th twice and was blamed by many including NUFC.com for encouraging a negative style of play. He also twisted Bobbys arm up his back to sign Fumaca, Gavilan and Cordone among other **** south american players.
When he left Carver was promoted to number 2 and we finished 4th, 3rd and 5th in successive seasons playing some fantastic attacking football. Bobby always kept Carver on not because he was a geordie but because he was a fine coach and he spoke out against the club when Souness brought in his cronies and ousted JC.
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Cisse is not as bad as a lot of people are saying. He did very well at his previous club & he did very well at this club for a while.
He hasn’t ever had such bad form as he is having now. Maybe he’s just been lucky in the past but its more likely to be the way we are playing.
Most other teams would love to have remy, cisse & gouffran but at at the moment i can’t see any of them scoring 15 goals.
The problem is the way we play. We clearly don’t practice properly in training. Our training methods need to change.
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I think Pardew would do much better if Ashley opened his chequebook and supported him in the transfer market. I have doubts about Carr’s scouting if Sissoko or Cisse are anything to go by ? All Pardew can use is what he has to work with and Kinnear’s not helping! Why won’t Ashley do anything ?
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Holloway would send us down, I would rather have Shola as manager if we just want comedic press conferences. Hire a manager of quality, or buy players the manager wants as opposed to players who the owner wants to sell on. Simple really, only at Newcastle would we make a hash of it.
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Stem@296-exactly.
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Perhaps carver is a good coach but nothing he has done outside of newcastle shows that.
I think bobby kept carver on because of inertia & because he was happy to pass on his knowledge to a young up & coming geordie manager of the future.
He wanted mourinho, he didn’t get mourinho. He had carver & things worked out well in hindsight but i wouldn’t say its because carver is a fine coach.
How different would it have been if we had mourinho. Would we have won the league? Quite possibly.
Either carver is propping pardew up, pardew is propping carver up or they’re both just not good enough.
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I could see them making a film about us. One **** up to another
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