Losing such an influential player is a blow although it has been softened by the arrival of Luuk De Jong who joins the club on an initial loan deal until the end of the season.
The likelihood is that the former FC Twente and Borussia Mönchengladbach forward will be thrown in at the deep end and will make his debut in the Tyne-Wear derby this weekend, especially now Loic Remy is suspended as a result of his red card against Norwich on Tuesday evening.
I’m pleased we’ve beefed up our attack but then again the success of this deal depends on the detail and whether we get the chance to use the option to sign De Jong at the end of the season. If all goes well, will another club become interested and try to scupper any deal? That’s just an example…
Things never worked out for De Jong in Germany as he found his chances restricted. However his goalscoring record in Holland was impressive and if he can recapture that kind of form – the kind which has had us chasing him for some time – then he could be a good signing for us.
The problem with strikers who scored lots in the Eredivisie is that for every Ruud van Nistelrooy who was an astonishing success in England, there is an Afonso Alves who never managed to hit the same goalscoring heights on these shores. Time will tell I guess.
Moving on to Cabaye, I’m sad to see him go but I don’t really see how anyone can either be surprised that he has moved on or argue against his move to PSG. They are a rich club so he’ll be paid handsomely, will be playing in the capital city of his country just a couple of hours drive away from where he grew up and will be fighting for titles and medals whilst playing in the Champions League under the guidance of a French former playing legend. Not bad really is it?
It’s been revealed that there was some form of agreement about letting Cabaye go this winter following a failed move to Arsenal in the summer window. The fact he supposedly went on strike shows he had his eyes on bigger things and has done for some time. Anyone who listened to Joe Kinnear and his “nobody will leave” claptrap deserves to be disappointed in fairness and probably won’t go very far in life.
Besides we have little Vurnon who always got looked over in favour of Cabaye despite doing nothing wrong. Perhaps he may get a chance now? Maybe with him and De Jong we are now moving away from France and looking at Holland for transfers?
Ah well, C’est la vie. Or should that be het leven gaat door?
Aussie you are on fire today lad…. 🙄 😆
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Also TAE-Is that you ruling out De Jong as any sort of decent player before he’s even played for us? TBH mate that sounds more like the lunacy aspect that we get tagged with 😉
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Cisse give the ball away to much and his not a good passer either. Sharpy17 you would have thought our scouts would have noticed this. I want him to turn his bad form around but I personally want Armstong to come threw the ranks. Give him a chance and see if he can handle the expectation’s of the premiership. We always get linked to players that want to join the top 4 side instead. Ashley updating thr facilities is a step in the right direction.
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@ AUSSIE MAGPIE FAN
maybe if there was a blog 40 years ago i might of done bud 😯
@ NEWKIE
general footballing ability 😯 false rumour that is spread by the likes of you,theres nothing wrong with his footballing ability and at the end of the day its goals that win you games not ootballing ability 😯
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I don’t know what to expect from De Jong to be honest.
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Newkie, just sharing a bit of light in dark times mate! 😉
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this chairman of lyon is a right ******** he says no players will leave in this window,but some will get there wish in the summer even stopped gomis transfer to italy at last minute,beats me how he gets players to sign for the club in the first place 😕
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Cheers lads,
i’ll be making my very first trip to Newcastle from Copenhagen tonight, and I am of course as exited as I could possibly be. Finally – after more than 20 years supporting The Mighty Toon – going to St. James’ is a big thing for me, but I am no less exited about the prospect of taking in as much as I can from the city.
Would any of you guys be so kind, and let me know, what I shouldn’t miss, where to best to go for a round, etc?
Much appreciated,
cheers
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You got to love what stats can be made into and how lazy actual journalists are when it come to doing actual research. No goals in 13 appearances.
Those appearances were all sub appearances and amass about 85 minutes on the pitch. Not to mention being an unhappy player in a team that you hate the manager of.
He is a goal every 2.5 games striker.
I love how the he is ******* than Cisse has already started.
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Aussie that was@71 btw.
Wow TAE, seriously? Yep it must be that hidden agenda I have to see my club fail, heavens forbid I express an opinion that differs to yours on a bloody football blog 🙄 Only goals matter for a striker do they? Tell that to Mario Gomez then who hit +30 then +40 goals a season for Bayern, but lost his place to the less prolific but better all rounder Mandzukic. But I suppose you think Jupp Heynckeys and Bayern Munich are both **** as a manager and a team 🙄 😆
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remy case will be heard today,talk is fa will increase ban to 4 games,pointless appeal imo,remy never touched the guy but intent was there 🙁
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NEWKIE
do you really think its smart to drop a 30 to 40 goal striker for a dude that scores less ? 😯
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TAE-If the TEAM play better as a result, score more from other areas, prevent conceding goals and win more games then obviously fucking yes. It’s a team game designed around winning football matches, it’s fairly straightforward.
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I doubt Remy will get off, no way can you go in with the head now, even if Johnson was playacting. Remy should know better, he should have just laughed off Johnson. Another needless suspension to a key player.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqBUzsmaVmQ
Some more Grenier footage.. 🙄
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@ NEWKIE
<<<<<< dos not beleive you would get an extra 30 to 40 goals from the same team bar 1 change replaceing ya 30 to 40 goal a season striker and would be delivering the managers p 45 in person and sticking me trainer up his **** on the way out the exit
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so cissie left from newcastle airport y/day,where hes off to i wonder 😕 😕
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TAE-Where have I said an extra 30-40 goals?
The fact is Bayern have played better with Mandzukic. They have also scored more as a team with him than with Gomez, despite the fact Mandzukic himself scores less. There are other factors of course, but in reality there is so much more to football than simply having a striker with a good goal ratio.
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@ NEWKIE
ya drop ya 30 to 40 goal a season striker the team has to replace them 30 to 40 goals a season do they not ? 😯
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TAE-Yeah ok, I thought you meant extra as in on top of that. As I’ve said, the club have replaced him with a less prolific individual but score more goals-this is because he helps his team mates out more, is capable of passing and build up play, helps retain possession which for bayern means less goals conceded and more goals scored, generally speaking.
In this instance, do you see how a striker who might score less is more valuable to a team?
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Stem – why am I getting the blame for the scouts not sporting Cisses **** poor first touch or the fact he can’t stay onside? 😯 😆
Who is this 30-40 goals a season player that TAE and Newkie are on about like?
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Sharpy-Mario Gomez when he was at Bayern. That’s all competitions obviously.
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Newkie – got ya now, I’ve read back over the posts. I thought someone was suggesting that Cisse was at 30 goal a season CF 😯
I agree with you mate. Forwards have to work harder than just scoring goals nowadays. Especially in the formation of 4-2-3-1 or 4-3-3 that we have been playing.
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Sharpy-no, the brigade still push for 20 a season no doubt but 30 really would take the biscuit 😆
Exactly right though mate. There is so much more to the game.
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Same applies to attacking midfielders just ask mata at Chelsea.
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TAE-I will take your silence as a quiet acceptance then mate 😉
Prem-exactly. I am not a huge fan of Oscar but he is very young with loads of potential and I can see Mourinho’s POV-especially as he is someone who builds teams to work hard. Hazard might not work much either but he is already a class act and will be better than Mata if he isn’t already.
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Newkie – if he gets 10 he’ll have salvaged a very poor season.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Prem – or Benny and Marveaux if you want to stay closer to home.
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This Cisse offside all the time bollocks is getting boring. Last season I posted a league table of most offside forwards and Cisse wasn’t even in the top 5 ,RVP was as Jelevic 🙄 No one was moaning about his offsides when he was scoring were they, and I can’t remember many slagging off his general play. His passing accuracy % in his last sub appearances were both in the high 70’s last time I checked which I don’t consider too bad tbh.
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One thing we cant accuse this lot of is the wanky slapdash scouting of yesteryear. They are thorough and seem to think this lads the real deal. They went for Debuchy and Remy twice and both have worked out well, Hopefully the same outcome for De Jong.
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CC, hopefully it’s just a case of his face didn’t fit with the manager and he’ll get a warmer welcome here like. Well until he strays offside and misses a few sitters like ,then it’s meltdown 😉
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Hopefully De Jong at BMG went through whatever Jon Dahl Tomasson experienced with us – one bad spell at one club, good before and after.
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Kim-you’ll notice I don’t really bang on about offsides, I just talk about his ability generally. However if you go back to the half season after we signed him and when he was free scoring and everyone wanted Ba dropped and sold, you will notice my comments where I was still suggesting Ba was still arguably the better footballer because to me Cisse has alwas looked an awkward footballer.
Many neutrals I know commented on how he had no composure with 1v1 situations and how he lacked touch and hold up play, passing as well-but they conceded he scored some of the greatest goals around. If he isn’t scoring this is what happens
Re offsides-they are a naturally forgivable thing depending on goals scored + general play I guess. Van Persie won Manchester United a title etc.
Newkie(Quote)
fascinating facts and figures, note Benteke the most offside player and we attempted the most long balls 😳
http://www.barriesview.com/2013/05/premier-league-2012-13-statistics
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Newkie ,The fact is if he was still banging them in like he was he would be god almighty with most fans, they wouldn’t give a flying **** about offsides and general playing ability. The fact that he’s not doing it like he was is a mystery ,I really don’t think he was a one season wonder but something is amiss I have to agree, up to Pards to revive him like Sir Bob did a bit with Big Al.
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Kim-I agree with you to an extent there, goals are obviously the most important thing. The problem is that with other strikers who have all round ability, they will find themself a place/role within a team and still contribute. Rooney is a classic striker for hot form and droughts, obviously he plays better with confidence but when he is on a drought he is still usually a good player and has essentially always been a starter for them. Cisse just doesn’t have those attributes, so when he doesn’t score we are essentially playing with 10 men.
I can’t agree with the Shearer comparison though. Shearer was arguably the best striker in the world and by his early 20s had great technical ability to go with his strength and even pace. He was proven quality through and through in our league. His poor form often followed injury (unlike Cisse) but he always had a good chance of returning to being a top striker. Also as above, he had a number of attributes i.e target man that would help the team out even if he wasn’t scoring, so he could improve his confidence with good play.
Cisse is a different proposition entirely. He had a good time in the bundesliga but his career other than that is nothing worth shouting about, second divisions in France etc. That’s IMO anyway.
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Kim@104 – thing is about Cisse’s passing accuracy. I watched the last one. He touched the ball twice. One was a four yard pass to Santon and the other bounced off his shins. Kid can’t play football.
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Newkie ,The Shearer comparison was more about how low on confidence he and the team were when Sir Bob arrived and how he managed to invigorate Shearer and the rest of the team to become better players/ team unit. This is where I sometimes feel Pards is lacking ,I have a gut feeling he isn’t inclined to molly coddle players in the way Bobby did. He would know what made them tick and how to lift them, KK could do it too ,to an extent. Like it or not it is an intrinsic part of being a manager these days, so many players need their egos massaged when out of form but Pards seems to just drop them and publicly announce their shortcomings ( see HBA , Anita, Marv) when an arm around the shoulder may be better. He may well be doing that but if he is, it ain’t working and voicing their shortcomings won’t either imo.
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Georgio @112 😯
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Ice @92 where did you hear that mate?
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KIM your point is spot on IMO,and agree 100%
icedog(Quote)
KIM a couple of rags talked about it this morning when talking about Jong
coming in,had a quick for them again but cannot find them,but they did say the flight was not to turkey 😕
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 4 hrs
From this morning’s Journal: #nufc told to up Grenier offer – Lyon want £11m http://www.thejournal.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-must-up-offer-6646505 …
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Mark @EastStandRowM · 4 hrs
@MsiDouglas Simon Bird says we have offered that in his piece in the mirror? http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-transfers-yohan-cabaye-insists-3091448 …
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 4 hrs
@EastStandRowM Not according to what I’ve heard. The one and only offer is 10m.
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Mark Douglas @MsiDouglas · 4 hrs
@davidmcrossan My info was that #nufc had been told Lyon were keen to sell because it looks like they will miss out on CL…
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Kim-fair enough in that case, but you will be disappointed because we won’t be getting a manager like Sir Bobby, whether this lot are in charge or not because he was one of a kind imo. There are obviously better managers out there than Pards, but with this lot I don’t see a big chance of that.
However I don’t think any of us really know how effective or ineffective Pardew is. My thinking is he is actually quite a good man manager in most cases-he has managed a number of difficult personalities and most of our ex players don’t have a problem with him. Even Jonas hardly lambasted him. Pardew won’t moddy coddle, but it is a mix of “raise your game” innuendo coupled with lots of praise, which plenty of managers use and it has worked on basically all of our players, imo. He clearly worked wonders with Cabaye and Tiote, Tiote who fans were ready to sell for a pittance last year. At the end of the day if Pardew was insulting someone like Ben Arfa t hen we would know about it because benny is just that type of character.
Cisse though…well you cant really mentally coach him into scoring the easy chances, that’s what he needs to do but he’s essentially never done it for us. Luckily he did manage to score the penalty the team gave him though. Pardew has constantly praised him in training saying how much he was hitting the back of the net, that didn’t seem to do much for him. Dropping him seemed to make him hungrier for a bit but he’s still not really raring.
A goal against the mackems would be a pretty good medicine, but even that might not do it. Some players just decline. Look at Torres. He’s played under some of the best managers in the world and still failed.
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I have to laugh at this Remy appeal straight after the game pardew said it was a red card but Johnson made it worse than it was,he then sticks in a appeal,IMO the FA will increase it 4 games
icedog(Quote)
Ice @117 ,Cheers, He was supposed to be linked with Karzan and Trabzonspor and Besiktas too.
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KIm – hate disagreeing with you as you’re generally fair minded but on Cisse we part ways. He has 9 goals in one and a half seasons. One was a pen and one was off his ***. The rest of his game is rubbish and for someone running around in our No 9 shirt it’s nowhere near good enough. I’d play Armstrong instead.
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Newkie, For me Torres is a stranger story than Cisse, the guy was fantastic for Liverpool ,very strange situation.
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Ice-it says the club put in the appeal which after pardew’s comments makes me think it wasn’t him. If they don’t even trust his call on this then it shows how much he is undermined by those running the show IMO. Also mate have you seen Heed are 5th? Looking tight but I have faith for the playoffs 😎
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Georgio, Yep would be nice to see the lad given a chance, not sure Scum game is right though, pressure cooker 😉
On Cisse we’ll agree to disagree,be interesting to see how he goes at another club if he leaves us like.
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Kim-yeah and pure quality at Athletico Madrid before them, and good for spain obviously. It’s all gone downhill since that injury he had just before the 2010 world cup, he was poor when he got back to liverpool and just got worse while at Chelski.
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Right away to clean my car before it gets too dark, laters guys.
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This appeal thing is interesting – and will say a lot about the FA. It’s a political hot spud, and they may be bright enough (2W bulb) to realise it.
If they call it frivolous and hike it to 4 games it shows that they consider a player getting in someone’s face to be a serious problem, but cheating to get a player sent off to be of no consequence.
Sadly, I think that’s exactly how they feel. Load of freeloading, corrupt fuckwits, the lot of ’em. Same with UEFA and FIFA. 🙄
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Whumpie-Yeah, I would like to see their lad dished out an extra ban for that but it won’t happen like.
I’m guessing both will stay at 3, or both will be pushed to 4.
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Remy was stupid to lose his rag like that. We’ll miss him if only for the fear factor in the scum defence.
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Georgio-no worries, we all know Shola scares the mackems more than any other striker anyway 😆
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The only sort of reason i can make any sense of the appeal is that there is a chance that it gets overturned (slight) He is out for our 3 big games regardless. He will be much less important against Villa than he will be against Sunderland, Chelsea and Spurs. Why not take the risk we have De Jong in now so have adequate cover for him.
The risk of weakening ourselves against 1 of the “weaker” teams in the league is outweighed by the chance to strengthen ourselves for 3 bigger games.
If you think of it like that it kind of makes sense but i dont see the FA overturning it.
Norwich and Newcastle might know something we don’t of course.
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NEWKIE,I always keep a eye on the heed mate,I still see more of their games than toon games,strange that isn’t it lol
icedog(Quote)
One more day to go big Joe. Surely all that bragging when you signed on wasn’t just hot air was it?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Judgment day tomorrow big Joe. 😈
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Where is the Lambsarse of yesteryear? I miss him now. Such a lovely lad he was compared with Big Joe. 🙁
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Oh Lambies ****, the pipes, the pipes are calling
From glen to glen, and down the mountain side
The summer’s gone, and all the roses falling
‘Tis you, ’tis you must go and I must bide
We miss you Lambsarse. 🙁
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Ice 🙂
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But come ye back when winter’s window opens
Or when the valley’s hushed and white with snow
‘Tis I’ll be here in sunshine or in shadow
Oh Lambies ****, oh Lambies ****, I love you so.
Please come back Lambsarse (sob).
GeordieTwo(Quote)
How do we get Joe to resign as wor beloved Lambsarse did? We must find out to save the club.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Remy suspension upheld, but not extended.
Oh well. Nice try.
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Remember the days of yore when Mike panicked and bought 5 players? My God those were good times. Now that we’re safely mediocre it’s so boring. 🙁
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Not to worry Alan, next summer is going to be just like this, except longer and worse to live through. Exciting working for Mike isn’t it?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
How about “Safely Mediocre” as the club motto? Mike thinks it has a real ring to it. Club officials answering their phones can say “Newcastle United, safely mediocre. How may I help you?” Beautiful.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
I’m told safely mid table is tutus medio mensam in Latin. That could go on the club pennant.
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The instigator Johnson kicked, shoved and then conned the referee and has had his ban lifted. Remy retailiated and did no worse that Shelvey did against us and has his three games upheld what a fucking disgrace the FA are.
Hope norwich are relegated after that cheating incestuos ******
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Well rant over for a brief period now. I’ve got to calm down because we still have tomorrow to get through. 🙄
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Can’t really blame Norwich as a whole, CC. Any team would appeal a red card (even a valid one) if they think they’ll get away with it. Just blame the player for being a cheater.
Besides, the dream relegation slots are all taken – Cardiff, Sunderland and Stoke.
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G2, love the motto. It’s extra money for Ashley too, as he has it emblazoned on a range of tatty leisurewear. Win-win!
blip(Quote)
No wait, rant not over. I hate your ugly, ***** face JFK. I hate your horrible accent. I hate your smug over confidence. And I hate your pissup partner Mike.
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