Just taken the dogs for a walk in the lovely morning sunshine and got to thinking about possible outcome at Newcastle and wondering about what Ashley is up to. Bearing in mind that I think he is a rational businessman not some petty thieving antichrist out to make Geordies miserable). Here’s what I came up with.
Obviously management realise that cheaper players live in continental Europe, therefore they choose a coach like De Boer, Tuchel, etc who has experience with such players and can implement a whole-of-club playing style. They also want somebody who can turn Newcastle into something akin to an Ajax style academy. The relationship with coach and DoF works as planned (ie they decide mutually on the type of player they want.), They bring on youth players, and sell for great profits to finance new purples.
[Now for the bit where everybody groans]
Let’s suppose that Ashley is being very canny. He’s taken a few risks (some worked, some didn’t) but he now has the club stable in the mid-upper half of the table but moving into profit and able to finance itself. The 5year plan has finally come to fruition, a few years later than projected. The coach has kept the desired stability within the required parameters (what some call lack of ambition).
It’s now time to embark on the next 5 year plan – moving to the new level, expansion into new markets, raising the club brand (and SD’s with it). It’s a couple of seasons on from the coach appointment. Almost every team in the PL has a vast debt, but Newcastle are rolling in tv profits.
They are cashed up and almost completely immune to any changes in the world economy. His investment is secure and ready to pounce when the opportunity arises.
This to me seems a reasonably rational scenario. Probably not right (and let me hastily add that I’m neither yaying or naying at it here), but it’s an alternative way of looking at what’s gone on, rather than the blind accusations of greedy, filthy, pig-dog, ambitonless, rip-off asset-stripping piece of ****.
Unfortunately for fans, it’s a more of the same for a few years.. I doubt whether we are factored into the long-term plan.
Just thought I’d share that little thought with you.
By Brisvegas
Let me tell you, it wasn’t easy finding a picture of Brisvegas…he is more reclusive than Ashley! 😆
Cheers for the article mate! 😉
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Seems a pretty accurate body shape, though 😉
As for the article – goodness knows how this will play out when the axis of world football and international finance moves on to China in the next 20 years or so. 😆
brisvegas(Quote)
True, don’t forget India… they are the sleeping giants imo!.
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
What on earth do you think you are doing?
There’s no place in a genuine Toon fans repertoire for logic, reasoning and business acumen!
Go and wash your mouth out with Pale Ale (or some other ****-like substance) and don’t ever utter such ill-considered propaganda again.
Next you’ll be claiming that Mackems are human, Gateshead is North of the Tyne and Peter Beardsley is not a god!
Shame on you!
Archie Brand(Quote)
@Aussie thanks for the article, for what is was worth 😆 😉 joking
but you surely are grasping at straws. its been 7years and we’ve done nothing. I think the 5yrs was to eventually resemble arsenal. we’re closer to stoke than arsenal.
I thought I had hope! 😯 you really are in dreamland if you think nows the time for things to get better. I truly hope youre right but I’ve seen enough of mike to suggest things won’t change.
he’s offski I tell you…
nay!!!
Pardews Gash aka Mark(Quote)
Cheers Bris, Well you are a glass half full I’ll give you that 😆
Sorry Bris , but I don’t agree that we are stable, not in football terms anyhow, we are far from safe and lose to Hull and Stoke and it then starts getting really scary but hey Mikes not bothered, if he was he’d strengthen and ship a couple out . As for embarking on the next stage, well it’s been forced on them with Percy leaving hasn’t it?, let’s be honest if he hadn’t walked they’d still be plodding along with the yes man and the football wouldn’t change one bit. Financially we may have tv rights bolstering us but the fact remains we are still in debt to Mike and it’s bigger than when he took over too . And how are we ever to pay him back when our commercial revenue is so small compared to what it was. We know he’s taken £11m back and a planned £18m this year from the £150m, but we still owe £121m, when and how will that be recouped ? The way it stands we look a poor investment until he gets that back and the sooner he does the better, but he won’t will he. It suits him to keep the debt in place as he can keep those SD signs up everywhere and offset interest payments against them . I would rather he took three quarters of the tv rights for next couple of seasons to clear that debt at least then we can start demanding payment to advertise SD and use it on players and we would look REALLY healthy financially then, hey someone may even fancy buying us. You are right about one thing though Bris, we are definitely not factored in long term and we never have been .
kimtoon(Quote)
Mark, devil is in the detail..the article was penned by Vegas… Thanks for the scathing review tho 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
ashley has taking this club as far as he wants to.we always here about how we should be following other clubs models.they have ran out of ideas when it comes to us.and with the drivel charnley came out with the other day the future dosnt look good,the only way this club can grow and move forward is with jabba selling and that dosnt look like happening anytime soon.
hitman(Quote)
Bris – nice article mate, and it’s certainly the direction I’d like to see the club be heading in.
I know Aussie posted a comment on here the other day that if we were bought out by a super rich fella who was happy to spend billions on us that there would still be some complain – well I’m not sure I’d complain, but it’s not what I’d want to see for us personally speaking.
I know that might sound crazy, but I much prefer the Ajax or Saints set up than the crazy money spent my the likes of Madrid or Man U.
But to do it the Ajax way would need the right people in place, giving it 100% focus and commitment. I think for as long as Ashley is there we won’t have that at NUFC. I see Charnley has take a pasting in the press this weekend, but he’s working to Ashleys directive. How difficult must it be to do a job when your boss is more interested in buying Rangers or Debenhams?!. It’s a **** take really, coz if Ashley installed the right men at Newcastle in the first place, he’d be free to pursue his ventures elsewhere. But I’m now starting to wonder if there will ever be an announcement about this manager/head coach post.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy – it’s taken them 50 years in Amsterdam to do it the Ajax way!
I’m starting to pine slightly for the old Shepherd days and long to see a Tino arriving in a snowstorm. People say we’d do a Leeds or Portsmouth but even they would have survived quite comfortably with today’s TV money. The Ashley Way has actually dulled the fans into accepting mediocrity as success. We’ve started believing the rubbish about bank balances and profits. Football blogs have become a place of financial and business acumen posts.
Nobody’s mentioned the team, players, formations or anything for bloody weeks. All these names being put forward are just journos fantasies.
Sick as a parrot like a magpie sprayed green.
georgio(Quote)
Georgio – football blogs have became a place for bitching and name calling from what I’ve seen mate, but that’s a different story.
I understand the history behind Ajax and I use them as the Elite example mate. Saints is a good example for English football, and the young uns we are producing may not be of their calibre yet, but we certainly have some decent ones coming through.
Mid table mediocrity can be accepted if we are developing these players to take us on to better things, but that isn’t happening either. We run the risk of loosing Sammy and Aaron’s through not sorting their contracts.
The old Shepard days were romantic times indeed mate, but wasn’t it around that time that we did away with the academy? – which for me set our club back years.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy – a different story indeed.
Don’t forget that the Saints had to drop to Div One for their approach to change.
I’m like you in that I think we’ve hugely neglected the kids we’ve had, delayed their progress until it’s too late then lost them to the lower leagues. We need a management team that promotes them and keeps faith in them. They need a consistent run to progress but instead we drop an Arma to play the useless Riviere. Pardew could have permanently damaged young Aarons (like he did with Benny). The kid’s been out for 4 months now with a hamstring for god’s sake.
And what is the point of playing Willo when you have Streete, Satka and Good stuck at U21 level. Roberts will come good somewhere.
georgio(Quote)
The simple flaw in Ashley’s model is always that he wants value. He see’s no value in paying more than £10m for a player and that will always hold us back. If someone offered Messi for £30m he would say no as it would be too much money. The same applies with the manager. We never have under Ashley and never will in my opinion go out and get the best. We will always go for those who are available, free and cheap. He has never appointed a manager who was in work.
This is why we aren’t anywhere near a Southampton or a Ajax and never will be under Ashley.
Stuart79(Quote)
Good article! Are you dreaming? The question is what does he have to do to raise the clubs brand profile further and is it, in his terms, a good investment? I’ve always believed that the goal was finishing 8th to 10th, and no cup runs to risk needing larger squads. That’s good by NUFC post-1950s standards, but mediocre compared with the potential. If I could believe that there was a plan to push on from that, based on youth and a conveyor belt of purple sales to fund teams capable of competing top6 and cups, that would be fair, for me. We can probably bridge the revenues to Spurs to allow that as well, but our ‘Buy and sell for cash’ policy, only using current years’ income will always allow clubs prepared to mortgage future revenues (like Swansea, mackems, Hull, West Ham) to out-spend us in any given season. I can’t see Ashley relaxing the finanCial constraints, so we’re bAck to a coach capable of delivering top-10 most seasons, probably using us as a step towards a bigger job. Not exciting is it?
GTE(Quote)
Georgio – yes you’re right they did. But do you think the fans would have been happier with a few seasons on mid table PL mediocrity rather than having to drop those divisions mate?
Yeah I discussed the transition from reserves to first team squad afew times on here, usually with Newkie, but it really isn’t great. It needs a manager or coach to show faith in the young players, but to be fair there aren’t many teams that do that.
Koeman is doing it at Saints with the likes of Ward-Prowse and Targett. Spurs fortune changed when they started playing Harry Kane and Andros Townsend. Our fortunes changed when we turned to our youngsters.
Sharpy17(Quote)
GTE – That’s a strange assumption you make about Sunderland, Swansea, Hull and West Ham. Why are they automatically mortgaging their future revenues? Maybe they’re just spending the increased TV money? Something for some reason we are not prepared to do and still only finance our player purchases by sales.
Stuart79(Quote)
Ashley has taken the club as far as he wants too. He only see’s the club as a sports direct billboard and a way of getting people into his tacky shops. His playing on the fan’s loyalty. Still 50000 people turn up and are basically happy with the job his doing. Why not go to the pub instead or watch the game at home, just to hurt his pocket.
Stem(Quote)
Am I dreaming? Maybe, maybe. It’s kind of half and half me trying to find an alternative narrative to explain the goings on at the club and me wanting the things that I think would give NUFC a chance to break into the top 6.
All pure speculation and fantasy really. I don’t think there’s much in there that I actually believe will happen. I have no idea what Ashley wants or thinks, or what his agenda is. I leave that for the psychics among you, of which there seems to be many.
brisvegas(Quote)
Stu –
The simple flaw in Ashley’s model is always that he wants value. He see’s no value in paying more than £10m for a player and that will always hold us back.
Stu wanting value isnt a flaw mate, but you are right in what you’re saying about this reluctance to spend over £10m. Bony is a perfect example of that – £12.5m I think Swansea paid for him. He’s clearly a quality player, but from Ashley’s point of view, he would have got us higher in the league which equals more money. He would have sold more shirts and the truly arousing part for Ashley is he was eventually sold for more than double what Swans paid for him. Surely even in his world that equates to value.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I don’t think the fan’s will ever do that sadly or even protest against the current regrime so things will stay the same for a few years to come.
Stem(Quote)
But Sharpy – £12.5m to Ashley was too much of a risk. What if he wasn’t as successful as he became, would he get that £12.5m back? That’s how he looks at it. With Cabaye for instance he knew if Cabaye wasn’t great here he would get £4.5m back as it’s not a big amount.
That way of thinking will always hold us back and it’s that kind of thinking that makes us more of a trading company than a football club.
Unfortunately he clearly doesn’t really have 100% faith in Carr as he would allow him to look at better players, with a higher value and that would allow a higher profit when they’re sold IF they were good enough. Which generally speaking you do get what you pay for in football with the odd exception.
Stuart79(Quote)
When NUFC buy a footballer they don’t look at it as improving the team, they look at it as an investment that could mature in a couple of years. That’s probably the reason the club don’t buy players when the squad needs them, but when they feel they can get the best value for a player they can make money on in a year or so down the line.
The reality of this modus operandi is that the club don’t really have the teams best interest at heart, just the balance sheet.
Stuart79(Quote)
Psychic Stu strikes again.
brisvegas(Quote)
Bris – Unless you’re blind (and if you are, you have my sympathy) you can see everything I have said is correct just by looking at the way the club works. I am just stating what happens.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sure, you are. Sure you are. No doubt you have a direct telepathic link to every board member.
brisvegas(Quote)
Bris – If you saw someone jump off a cliff, would you tell people you saw someone jump off a cliff or would you tell people you saw someone drive off a cliff?
Stuart79(Quote)
Wheres this Compensation thing come from; He paid huge sums to pay off Allardyce and his army of fitness gurus (Who we paid bolton a lot of money for in the first place) KKs staff were paid compo after the fall out, Hughton, Barron, Wise, Jiminez, Vetere, Kinnear, Llambias all were. Douglas said Charnley was adamant that if they settled on a manager currently in work with a few coaches in tow they would pay for them.
If their favoured candidate wont move midseason then it probably is best to hang fire and avoid a repeat of the Kenny/SBR saga
CC(Quote)
Let’s see, CC ( 🙂 ) but I reckon our next coach will be free to move wherever he wants for zero compensation.
Stuart79(Quote)
Bris – please don’t start today mate.
Stu – I dont agree that we only buy players to make money on them – I think they spend low to reduce the risk of value for money. If they play well then the likelihood is that they will rise in value – but in most cases they are tripling or quadrupling what they spent on players. I’m afraid that modern day football is a business.
The reason we haven’t bought a CB or CF yet isn’t coz we couldn’t find one that we’d make money on, it’s either because there’s a better option in the summer, or they want to look at the young players coming of age to see if they warrant a squad place or if it’s time to move them on.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu – if that was the case, don’t you think that either Garde or Carver would already be in place by now though mate?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
If you want to believe that, Sharpy fair enough but history shows you’re wrong. Was it a coincidence we didn’t buy one single player in nearly 2 years when in that same period we didn’t sell one of our better players? Is is a coincidence that we won’t be buying anyone this window when we won’t be selling one of a our best players? I believe it is the fact that we are just trading players, not improving and the facts show that.
We have been waiting for a striker to replace Ba for a couple of years. Why hasn’t one been bought? You can say we will not buy in Jan because something better will be available in the summer but I am afraid you can’t keep saying that summer after summer.
Look at the form guide. I am not giving my opinions here, they are the only reasonable conclusions that can be drawn from the past 5 years business in the transfer window.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – Garde has already said he doesn’t want a job until the summer.
But again look at the form book, man. Ashley has never appointed a manager/coach who was already in a job. Why do you think he will change direction this time?
Stuart79(Quote)
Judging by the shortlist id agree with you; But i dont doubt if Ashley wanted someone in or out of the club it would happen regardless of compensation.
P.S. We actually incredibly paid Leeds for Wises services when he was their manager… 🙄
CC(Quote)
CC – At that time he also paid KK £3m a year! We are paying for Ashley’s **** ups…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – but it is trading to a degree mate. You’re only allowed to name a 25 man squad, so it has to be one in, one out. We also have young players than come of age each summer that then take a place in that 25 man squad – if they don’t, then what’s the point?!.
We need a replacement for Ba – I totally agree with that. But does our midfield look that much weaker without Cabaye?! – I personally don’t think so.
The form book actually shows that in those 5 yrs we have done 44% of our transfers in the Jan (more than any other PL club). So it’s certainly not a case of always waiting til the summer. For example, would it have been better business to pay an inflated price in Jan for a midfielder, or wait to get Colback on a free?. I’m not defending the whole approach, because Ive said numerous times that we didn’t strengthen when at times we should have – the Anita summer for one springs to mind.
As for Garde not wanting the job til the summer – then again, the cheap option would be Carver. If the cheap option is their intention, then he’d already be confirmed by now – wouldn’t he?
Sharpy17(Quote)
The stupid option would be Carver and they know it. He will get it until Summer.
It amazes me that it only seems to NUFC who struggle with this 25 man squad ruling. Did we have 26 when HBA was here? He has gone and we haven’t brought an extra body in to replace his spot in the 25? But also half the young players in the squad just aren’t good enough. Why are they still here? Probably because keeping them mean they are on low wages, take up space in the squad and mean we don’t have to go into the transfer market to improve the squad.
I am also just open mouthed with amazment at your comment about not missing Cabaye! 😮 😯 We must stop now as I will just refer you to the form book and besides I can’t stop laughing at your Cabaye comment. 😆
Stuart79(Quote)
Archie your a ***** good sir
Adam(Quote)
I wonder how much we would get for lacazette if we had of forked out cash
Adam(Quote)
Looks like we are set to buy Dele Ali from MK Dons. Think this is a good buy as he looks like a real good player. Loaning him back this season.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – you carry on and laugh your **** off if it pleases you mate. I think Colback and Sissoko have been positives in our team this season. I’m not saying that Cabaye was **** or a bad player, I’m simply saying that our midfield haven’t missed him in the way our frontline have missed Ba. I’m not comparing Colback as a like for like replacement for Cabaye either (before some bumpy tries to suggest that!). I’m simply saying that our midfield has adapted comfortably since he left.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Well let me put it like this, Sharpy. When he left we were 5th or 6th and now we are 10th.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – where have you seen that about Ali?. I think he looks a real good player and is still really young – so was Charnleys statement last week a lie then?! 🙄
Stu – your not really putting our current league position solely down to us not having Cabaye are you?!.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We won’t be strengthening the squad this January so Charnley probably right in his comments.
As for our league position; Well it did start to go pear shaped once he left and I would like to bet we would be a better team with Cabaye in it so would be higher than 10th.
Oh and Carver is getting the job until May and that is the most underwelming news everyone could have got! That’s because we wont pay compensation. Not me saying that, the actions of Mikey Ashley himself over the last 7 years.
Stuart79(Quote)
I see the Carver announcement is imminent…
I cant understand why Beardsley hasn’t been promoted temporarily, I’m sure he would be a better coach than JC.
Anyway, this is something we’ve all been expecting. I am glad though there was no Kinnear-esque appt
BIGPAPA(Quote)
For the avoidance of doubt the decision to appoint Carver (something I predicted within days of Pardew leaving) means it is yet another completely wasted season and what does it say for the second half of the season? Really what is the point?
Stuart79(Quote)
Hooray!! An announcement has finally been made – and the one we probably all expected to be fair.
I fancy it’s because De Boer won’t leave Ajax til the summer, which would make it the right decision if that is the case.
Good luck to Carver for the rest of the season and the players seem to be behind him.
Sharpy17(Quote)
19th richest club in the world my ****!
Oh and I refer you Sharpy to our earlier chat about the cheap option and you said Carver would be appointed… Why do people doubt me.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – maybe you could ask that question when you turn up at the next home game? 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy – 🙂 😯 🙂 😀 😆 🙄
Unbelievable! You think this decision is because we will get De Boer! Dear god man! Do you not think he will have more exciting options than us in the summer?
It will be Carver or Garde who get the job permanently. Garde wanted 2 coaches in work and I can imagine what Ashley’s reaction to that was… Probably lets wait till the summer and they might be out of work by then…
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – I won’t be going to the next home game. I doubt I will go to another game this season to be honest. Would just be bored. I will keep my ticket though as by some miracle Ashley might have sold up by the start of the new season.
Stuart79(Quote)
One other prediction for you all and I don’t want reminding of this when it happens but it is beyond all doubt that if Ashley is still here in the Summer Krul and Sissoko will be leaving.
Stuart79(Quote)
Carver it is then, well lets get behind him and the lads and hopefully this doesn’t backfire with relegation in 16 games time. It’s the cheap option for sure and maybe it’s because their number one choice isn’t free yet, the trouble is, free or not, will they still want to manage us if relegated 😕
kimtoon(Quote)
But I will give credit to those who say we are changing as a club. You are correct. Instead of selling our best players in Jan and not replacing them, we’ve moved on to selling our manager in Jan and not replacing them. You couldn’t make it up. 😆
Stuart79(Quote)
Have we appointed a manager for next season?
Out of the managers interviewed, have we chosen one that will start work in the Summer or are we going to start the interviews again in the Summer and risk losing our No1 choice. ❓
I reckon Mikes away and he doesnt want to commit to a manager the new owner may not want. Its funny how we’ve signed no players / manager and Pardew left with mikes blessing, even saying it was a good time to go.
Hes waiting for Rangers being promoted I reckon
Pardews Gash aka Mark(Quote)
Stu – what I said was if their agenda was to just go for the cheapest option, they would have just appointed Carver with immediate effect.
As for De Boer – what isn’t unbelievable is that you think the job is beneath him. He may be approached by other clubs, but I don’t see a better approach coming from an English club.
As for the home games, don’t let folk on here bully you into not going now!. You’ve paid up til the end of the season. At least your negativity is from first hand viewing of games.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Should have named Carver weeks ago. Better candidates will be available in the sunner. It’s the right move, even if it’s a bit late
MDS(Quote)
3 weeks, 80 applications and they are no further on appointing a permanent coach 😆 incompetent springs to mind. Can only hope they have a contract in place with someone decent for summer start. If I were a season ticket holder I would not be renewing without knowing the answer to that question.
kimtoon(Quote)
They ask fans to show faith but faith in what?
kimtoon(Quote)
How bloody predictable.
Let’s hear it from all the fans that believed it couldn’t get worse than mid table 🙄
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Not a big shock, really. Another gamble, though. At worst there could be relegation. At best Carver could turn out to be the Geordie tactical genius we’ve always wanted.
Obviously the club expect something in the middle; that Carver will manage to get another 15 points and scrape us through.
Wow. How exciting.
Whumpie(Quote)
@Sharpy. Why appoint Carver straight away? the club would look cheap. might as well string us along in thinking we’re actually looking for someone half decent.
tbh I agree with all Stu has said today apart from us buying players only to make a profit. the purplest of the purples will make us a profit, players like Colback came because he was cheap. if he was 3mil we wouldn’t of bothered and the rest like Goof etc are just to keep us middle of the table 😆
Pardews Gash aka Mark(Quote)
Sharpy – The fact is I am bored of watching them to be honest. It really has nothing to do with people’s opinions on here, if it was I would have cancelled my season and I won’t do that until after next season if he’s still here.
Also there will be a list of clubs better than us for De Boer to choose from. For a start any that allow him to choose his own players will be an upgrade on the conditions he will work under here. Secondly there will be many clubs interested in achievement, not just survival – again that will be better working condition for him. Do I need to go on?
One serious question now; The majority on here wanted Pardew gone and now he’s gone do you honestly believe we are better off now?
If we don’t beat Hull we are in the ****, without a shadow of a doubt. Look at the games we still have to play; Arsenal, Man Utd and Spurs at home for start and Liverpool, City, Mackems at home along with Palace and QPR (Both good at home). We still need 13 points and I not confident it will be a cake walk. But having said all that, I am not too bothered if we got relegated as it would teach the fat ******* a lesson! That’s how indifferent I feel and I reckon there’s many more feel like that too.
Stuart79(Quote)
As for the article, I think it’s about right. It at least answers the only question that matters if you want to understand this unholy clusterf**k, i.e.
“What does Ashley want?”
What he wants is SD logos all over the consciousness of his target market. He’s made £3Bn so far doing that and it shows no sign of abatement. Sadly, our club is the victim of that.
Everything makes sense once you get your head around the incredible callousness, avarice and egotism needed to do what Ashley does. He basically considers it fair game to rip the heart out of a whole region just to further his place in the race to be more obscenely rich than anyone else.
I get fed up of reading posts complaining that he’s missed this chance or that to strengthen or to move the club forward.
HE DOESN’T WANT THE CLUB FORWARD. Get it yet??
Whumpie(Quote)
“Fans” constantly moaning about Pardew being a puppet, as if any manager working for us could be anything but.
Now we’ve lost the puppet who was a half-decent manager when he wasn’t having the rug pulled under him, and replaced by bloody Carver who is undeniably ****.
Worse of all. Palace are going to go on a great cup run and we are going to have to see Pardew’s smarmy face talking about how it is great to be at a club that values the cups.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Christ our fans are blind.
If Carver keeps us up, why on Earth would Ashley get rid of him? 🙄
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Finally sense from Whumpie.
Well said!
Stuart79(Quote)
I’ve been saying the same for ages.
What sucks now (and yet may help) is that we’ve had a harsh light cast on it all from two angles:
1. Pardew’s departure and results since has alerted the media to what’s going on.
2. Ashley’s troubles at Ibrox have shown how ***** the Toon Army have been compared to the Rangers fans.
I only hope it shakes us into some kind of effective action. I am not hopeful. 🙁
Whumpie(Quote)
I also have another very, very good question; When was the last time one of our best players signed a contract extension?
Stuart79(Quote)
Lets stop throwing the toys from the pram where Percy is concerned. Yes a lot of us wanted him gone but in the end he wasn’t sacked, HE WALKED PEOPLE, get it, and Tubbs let him. So tell me how that is the Pards out brigades fault?, we could no more get rid of him than make Jabba sell up . If you think we should settle for Pards or any of his ilk then more fool you I say. I could put up with Percy if the football was good to watch, it wasn’t it was fecking awful, we already looked better under Carver albeit we lost.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – I think you miss the point, or certainly my point. The point I was making was that most thought we would be better off without Pardew, regardless of how he left the club. I am just curious to know if the same people think we are currently better off without him.
Stuart79(Quote)
Solano , if Carver keeps us up, has us attacking and playing nice football then I have no problems with him getting the job. Just because he isn’t the fashionable name/choice is no reason not to back him now. What’s to say FDB, who probably won’t come anyway or Garde would do any better for us?. Fact is we need strengthening in two vital areas, until that’s addressed it’s gonna be a problem for anybody.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu, I’m pretty sure even with him we’d still be limping home, he’s doing well at Palace which I believe is his level, good luck to him.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu, Colo and Krul both signed extensions, announced on the same day at press conference. At the time Colo was flying and Krul looked a good keeper too.
kimtoon(Quote)
When was that Kim? Think it was a while ago… Anyway what about any of the players we have bought with a view to selling? Cabaye, Sissoko, Santon etc… If we were serious about keeping players and not intent on selling them we would be signing them up to longer terms deals when they start proving their worth. Why on earth haven’t we got Sissoko on a new improved contract for instance?
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kimtoon
January 26, 2015 at 16:15
Stu, I’m pretty sure even with him we’d still be limping home, he’s doing well at Palace which I believe is his level, good luck to him.
His level? You do know they’re in the same league as we are in? The only difference is they still have a chance of winning something.
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