With no Premier League fixtures this weekend and only internationals, it seemed an opportune moment to write about the FA’s latest brain wave.
So it would seem the FA have come up with a scheme to deliver us a better, improved England football team somewhere in the future.
Greg **** has this week outlined proposals to improve the lot of the young up and coming English players. He wants the rules changed so that we have more home grown players in Premier League Squads.
Currently Premier League Sides are allowed 17 non home grown players and the new rules would reduce this to 13 and at least two would have to have been trained by the club.
All Premier League clubs will have up to 4 years to implement these changes which if they go ahead will start from 2016. Newcastle amongst others, namely Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea and Man City all currently fall foul of the new rules, but as outlined we would have 4 years to address this.
Greg **** was due to meet with Premier League chairman this week to discuss this new proposal and I’m pretty sure he’ll face some resistance.
There has been quite a few articles in the press over the last couple of weeks talking about the demise (for want of a better word) of the Premier League. Various journalist have pointed out that the lack of big name foreign stars coming to the Premier League has impacted on it’s pulling power and ability to compete in the champions league. They argue that with more and more top stars now favoring a move to La Liga, the Bundesliga or French Ligue 1 or even Serie A in Italy; it means the entertainment of the Premier League has greatly decreased.
In so far as the Premier leagues appeal goes, then it would seem more Johnny foreigners are the order of the day, not less, so where does that leave England? Of course the FA and the Premier League will always be at loggerheads over one thing or another due to the fact that each body has very different aims. But when it comes to what’s best for England, it would be nice if they could work together.
I’m not so sure the lack of home grown is the reason for Englands poor performances at Euro and world cups, maybe the long hard season and lack of winter break has some impact. Also, we just don’t seem to produce the calibre of player other top teams do, and when we do produce one a whole world of pressure gets put on them. Indeed should they stub their toe, wreck a matertarsal or get a thigh strain the whole team collapses without them!
So if the press have it right about the imminent demise of the Premier league, what will the effect of the home grown quota have on the Premier League? Will fans be happy to see more local lads break in to the first team even if they aren’t as technically gifted as their foreign peers? Will it mean that say 10 years from now we have a more competitive England team? Over to you.
By Kimtoon
Sharpy 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
I see Rangers have said that if they get promoted this season they have to pay £500k for the 5 loanee’s 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave – weren’t Rangers about 15 points off the top before our 5 sick notes went up there? I think that was a pretty safe half mil for Rangers 🙄
Sharpy17(Quote)
Are team is so cheap.
stem(Quote)
Sharpy they could still make it through the play offs
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave – I didn’t realise there were play offs mate. Fair do’s. At least that’s something to get excited about then!! – another 500k in the bank £££££
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy theirs is a bit more complicated, the SPL has 12 teams the bottom is relegatedand replaced by the winners of the Scots championship. Then the 2nd and 3rd place play eachother and the winners of that then play the SPL’s 11th placed team . 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
Big Dave firstly can you tell your little lap dog Stuart to mind his own business. He has pretty much repeated the same shithouse attempted insult every post he has directed at me. I am sure you are a big boy who can defend his own honour.
Secondly you have twisted my words as my chicken feed comment was in regards to the amount we would receive in comparison to the big clubs who are seen as been associated with winning. So there you go… go back and read it if you doubt what I am saying. .
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Dave – 😕 what the bloody hell is that all about?!. They couldn’t make that more complicated if they tried could they?. I assume that there are still no guarantees if the stadium & facilities aren’t up to SPL standard as well?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Aussie I dont have a lap dog and I think you’ll find Stu is his own man, so if you have a problem with him you would need to take it up with him.
As for the chicken feed you still said that it was chicken feed, no matter what comparison you were making its still a fact that you called it chicken feed, so please stop telling me I twisted your words mate. As I said then and still believe now that the so called chicken feed would buy us a quality player or a couple of decent players every season. 😉
Sharpy at 159 god knows
Big Dave(Quote)
Sorry then mate. .. just to clarify things going forward, its ok to misquote someone as long as then mention the words in question!
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie what ever happened the happy chappy that could have a bit of a laugh and banter with others ?
I really can’t work out what I or anyone else has done on you, I might have different views and opinions to you regarding NUFC but I have never let that get in the way, and I have never attacked you for your views, even if I disagreed with you, because you are entitled to yours as much as anyone else.
Big Dave(Quote)
Aussie @ 161 just to clarify things back then I was making the point about the money we were losing out on due to SD was costing us and harming our team, but if you then say that its chicken feed compared to top teams, IMO it doesn’t change the fact that you classed £10-15mil as chicken feed, comparing it to the top teams yeah it might be chicken feed but I have never tried to compare us to the likes of chelski, city, manure etc .
Big Dave(Quote)
I don’t know what the interest rate would be through a bank, but if we reckon 10-15m that’s gonna be 10-15% interest rate – is that not high?. I don’t know to be honest, but even if it’s was 5-7.5% – that’s still a good sum of money.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Aussie are you ever going to contribute to the thread – any thread come to that?
All you do is abuse people and make snide pathetic comments.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – BOE Interest rates are 0.5% at the moment so bank lending rates are pretty low at the moment.
Stuart79(Quote)
It’s very difficult to give an assessment of what the finances are all about without seeing the whole shebang. Not that I care much about them anyway. I’m only interested in what, if anything, they are going to do with the money.
If they aren’t going to do anything with it, a profit means **** all to me.
brisvegas(Quote)
Quite correct, Bris.
Stuart79(Quote)
Big Dave.. what ever you say mate… you have your version and I have mine…. I know what I wrote, if you have misinterpreted it well thats on you mate! You believe what you want!
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Aussie thats fair enough
Big Dave(Quote)
Stu – I’m nee Carol Voderman, but that would make the Interest on 100m only 500k?!.
That’s buying a whole heap of advertising if that’s the case – and Ashley really isn’t saving us a great deal of cash at all
Sharpy17(Quote)
I’m sure they don’t put the money into a savings account, though. 😆
brisvegas(Quote)
Sharpy – The banks would charge more than 0.5% but maybe 3 or 4%. But the crucial thing to remember is that when you borrow from a bank and have a repayment plan, the actual loan amount reduces with every repayment. This is not the case here. The club might argue he’s saving us maybe £6m a year in interest repayments but he’s costing us a lot more in lost revenue due to Sports Direct being the clubs official partner.
Whichever way you cut it, I would imagien it’s a net loss to the club by quite a few mil.
Stuart79(Quote)
He stitched us up with the SD advertising, it’s simple really. I would rather we paid interest on the original bank debt, it would be close to getting cleared now I reckon. But then he is only doing what he planned to all along which was buy us to promote his tat shops, the whole loan thing is an epic con imo, as if he didn’t know about that £100m from the get go. This is an astute business man and this due diligence thing is bollocks I reckon. I think he new the debt was there and used it for his own ends as in free advertising for as long as he’s here. If his company didn’t own us and had to pay to splash their adverts all over ST James park for the last 8 years how much do you suppose it would cost?
kimtoon(Quote)
knew not new 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – thats right. If the club had just kept up the repayments then that £129m would be a lot less now. Just another Ashley wheeze. Money money money
georgio(Quote)
the last thing ashley wants is his loan being repaid.
he’s more than happy with it just sitting on the books – kidding the fans on he’s doing their beloved club a big favour.
the fat ****.
roy cropper(Quote)
I think people are putting too much stock in that £20M free advertising number. There’s no way we would get that much a year for stadium advertising in the open market without including naming rights.
MDS(Quote)
MDS – I think £20m is easily achievable. It is not just the stadium advertising. It is the training ground, the training equipment, the website, the back drop of every interview. Add that to it being plastered all over the ground during matches that are shown world wide in a game that can attract billions of pounds of TV rights due to it’s unbelievable access to hundreds of millions of people.
£20m is easily achievable when looked at in relative terms. Don’t we get £8m a year from WONGA for their name just to be on the shirts?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stuart Arsenal “only” get £30M a year from Emirates for stadium naming rights AND kit sponsorship, and they also have signs all over their ground.
MDS(Quote)
MDS@178 This was in yesterdays q&a with Neil Cameron
13:30
Neil Cameron
Q&A
Mark NUFC Henderson: If Sports Direct paid for advertising from day one, given space afforded to them would it cover the Ashley loan amount.
Neil says: I have been told by more than one person that SD gets £20m ‘free’ advertising a season. Go figure.
IF that is true lets say the first few seasons would of been a conservative say £8-10m a year for 3 seasons that’s around £30m plus increases over the subsequent seasons of say £15 -20m it would be around anything between £110m to £130m possibly even more.
kimtoon(Quote)
Even at a measly £8-10m a season it equates to £80 – £100m by now ,hardly small fry.
kimtoon(Quote)
come on be nice.
ashley saved this club from total collapse.
hitman(Quote)
Kim yeah I reard Cameron’s claim. But it just doesn’t make sense when you look at other clubs’ commercial deals.
MDS(Quote)
MDS, Like I said even a measly £8-10M a season is a tidy sum over 8 years
kimtoon(Quote)
I would love to know what other companies have offered to pay us for advertising, would be interesting to know what he’s turned down.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim, yeah, 8-10M is probably within the rhelm of possibility.
MDS(Quote)
Had to laugh at Tino,he gave the cabin crew a empty water bottle to give to the pilots and told them no toilet breaks lol took a chance in Russia
icedog(Quote)
Ice, 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
KIM the report was in The. Mag there is also a pic of him in the plane looking very.wary,cannot copy and paste with this tablet
icedog(Quote)
Ice, I can see him doing that mind 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Just watching last seasons Derby at SOL and looking at our team with Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Remy, Ben Arfa and Cisse. That’s a fair base for a decent side. Shame we relied on them too much and had no answer when injured and we had no good centre halves
Stuart79(Quote)
The chance of us signing any established English players this year like Austin and Ings would appear very small to me. When you look at the wages Raheem Sterling has reportedly turned down (180k per week) I just can’t see the Fatman getting into that market. That might also turn Aarons’ Agent’s head although Aarons has only played, what, two games.
Mr. Ed wrote something today saying up to 8 senior players could be out in the summer and the only one I disagree with was Sammy. Others were Anita, Taylors, Jonas, Tiote, Williamson. You can add to that the Rangers 5 apart from MAYBE Vuckic and Streete.
However, to get back to my point, we are likely to get in another crop of Frenchies and Dutchies as replacements because Fatty has not gone to all this trouble to decrease the wage bill only to inflate it massively again. In my opinion that rules out most British players.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I am still pissed off at the departures of MBiwa, Santon, Marveaux and Ben Arfa. They all seemed like they had potential as proven by some success at other clubs. Obviously it was all about reducing the wage bill. However, they were signed a few years ago when this mega-TV deal was not in place and the new one wasn’t even contemplated as being so lucrative. There will obviously be upward pressure on wages from now on as Agents make a grab for cash. In the light of this, I think the players we let go will probably be considered to have been on very reasonable contracts. We also didn’t get to see them under a decent coach who would play them in their correct positions and give them a run in the team so never knew how good (or bad) they are.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
I could be wrong, but I think that Fatty’s plan is that we can compete favourably with continental clubs for their second tier players but not the ones the top four want. We are also attractive as a “name club” and possibly a “stepping stone” club. He is gambling that the likes of Stoke, West Brom and Mackems do not go after the same players, or have already filled up most of their salary allotment. We shall see.
Sorry to go on, but it is related to the books etc. because we will soon see if there is a plan for all this salary/player/cost cutting or whether Fatman sees NUFC only as a cash cow.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
To be fair I think Krul, Dummett, Janmaat, Hedeira, Abeid, Sissoko, Cabella, Ayoze, Aarons, Arma, De Jong, and Cisse are a starting point to build around. Need to sort out defense, add a striker some depth mind.
MDS(Quote)
I think it’s obvious what Jabba sees NUFC as…
Stuart79(Quote)
Add Darlow to that list
MDS(Quote)
MDS: also in fairness to Fatty, he is gutting a fairly mediocre squad. Although it could be argued the players we let go were some of the most talented we had. The summer clearout will probably be sicknotes (Sorry Jonas) and mediocrity.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Just a quick update mates. Mike is still searching hard for the truth about the club’s finances. He checked his underwear drawer yesterday but no luck. Now he’s going through his man bras and his petty cash drawer. I’m sure he’ll come across the truth any time now. It’s only 25M pounds after all. 😯
GeordieTwo(Quote)
The squad is rubbish and the squad has been rubbish since Mike took over. We had the miraculous purple patch of one year when we finished 5th but that terrified Mike because it got us into Europe. Now he’s worried that the huge profit he is making will seem like too much for a club with a rubbish squad. So he announces an 18.7M pound after tax profit but doesn’t explain how the expenses have increased so dramatically when we made a profit off of a 96M pound revenue year in 2013. Oh dear Mike creative lying can be so difficult to maintain.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
It’s so encouraging to hear from the new poison dwarf Lee Charnley. We have such a generous owner that we can now expect a net spend on players! Ahahahahahahahaha! What, once every decade or so? We’re going into the 9th year of Mike ownership and we haven’t managed it yet.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
There is nothing wrong with asking for a detailed breakdown of what the club’s costs were and why we only had and 18.7M pound profit. There is also nothing wrong with speculating about the reasons. We do it all the time on here. We speculate about where we’ll finish, who will score etc/ etc. Most on here know the owner is not trustworthy and has no interest in football. I’m sure hiding profits is something he does every year with his tat shops. But we’ll see what the club has to say and judge then. Make it good Mike. It’s going to have to stand up to a lot of scrutiny.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Come on Mike, share the details with us. We know you have a spotless record for telling the truth after all.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
In fact I have to say I love a good bedtime story from Mike The Weasel Ashley. It goes something like this.
Once upon a time there was a brilliant northeast club named Newcastle United just sitting there ripe for the picking. While the owners were having medical problems I slipped in there and tempted them sorely with golden treasure. They quickly nodded their greedy heads and happily left. I moved in with the best of intentions before realizing this football malarkey is different than sports tat. I quickly hired some shoddy pals to run things the way I’m used to but the Geordies screamed and cried. Ah well it’s turning a nice profit now and I am living happily ever after. The end.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
You must wonder what is going through Jack Colbacks head watching the pathetic & inneffectual Delph steal another cap
Same goes for Shawcross, Shelvey, Ings, Berahino, Caulker, Ward-Prowse and plenty of others who for some reason are continually overlooked
**** me, Ryan Mason whos played more games in league 2 than the premier league… 🙄
CC(Quote)
That’s the lovely story Mike tells his pals. All 2 of them.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Steve McLaren seems to be the one the media are tipping as being the man the club want as coach. Seems someone at the club is briefing the hacks.
Stuart79(Quote)
Portugal 0-2 Cape Verde Islands
😯
CC(Quote)
Well, thought England were poor first half and improved 2nd .
kimtoon(Quote)
Italy are good at defending dirty feekers I love to watch them like even if they are a little boring
icedog(Quote)
CC – Ryan Shawcross is the one for me mate. How on Earth Smalling & Jones makes the team ahead of him is beyond me like. I’m a big fan of Shelveys as well and we aren’t blessed with top quality CMs so he should at least be making the squad.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Has the Southern press ever had a bigger mutual wankfest than they are having over Harry Kane now? Maybe Beckham but his celebrity took a while to build.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Yeah this Harry Kane stuff is out of control. I mean good on the lad for his successes and I know England is desperate for the next generation CF star but enough already
MDS(Quote)
@203
“I’m sure hiding profits is something he does every year with his tat shops. But we’ll see what the club has to say and judge then. Make it good Mike. It’s going to have to stand up to a lot of scrutiny”
I think you’ll find that the accounts ALREADY HAVE been the subject of quite a lot of scrutiny – ie. by the club’s auditors (who I believe are Ernst & Young – one of the largest and most reputable accounting firms in the world).
When the full set of accounts is published, it will include a report by the auditors who will undoubtedly certify that, in their view, the accounts show a true and fair view of the company’s results. If you really believe that a firm like Ernst & Young would risk damaging its good reputation by turning a blind eye to any ‘dodgy dealings’ by Ashley then you’re an even bigger idiot than I thought.
Chris G(Quote)
Chris G. I live in Chicago and a firm just as reputable, Arthur Anderson, certified that Enron’s accounts were true. When the scandal broke, AA were out of business in 2 weeks and all of their worldwide offices were closed. The rules have tightened a bit since but none of these accounting firms want to lose clients so there is always an incentive for them to side with management.
I am not saying there is anything going on here but it happened before on a much larger scale and AA were about the same size as E&Y. I would be careful then about wondering if accountants turn a blind eye. I also know personally of large accounting firms selling tax shelters to their clients on the basis that if they didn’t the client would move elsewhere. These tax shelters were clearly scams and The Revenue did come after the clients for back taxes. I think you have too much trust in accountants.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Chris G living in a Rose tinted world where everyone does things by the book and are never dishonest…
Stuart79(Quote)
Chris G: Come on, man, stop being so rational. Don’t you know that it’s the done thing to paint as bad a picture as possible, and then say YCMIU 😆 The misery police will be out to get you, mate. Conform, lad, conform.
brisvegas(Quote)
Some of the dodgey accounting on here needs to be audited as well.. I love how the free advertising money always ends up being more than the money saved on the interest free loan 😆 😆
Id love to know how the ground signage and the training strip advertising can be an estimated 5m more per year than the ground naming rights and the match day shirt sponsorship! Ernst and Young, please investigate this post haste! 😆
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
It’s all part of Ad Hoccam’s razor, Oz – simple explanations are preferable to more complex ones if it means you can get the boot into Ashley without thinking too hard.
brisvegas(Quote)
I honestly expected the profit to be about £30m more than what they have post. It would take some kind of accountant to cook the books to that kind of money though. I’m guessing it will be to pay for the new training ground and repairs to the stadium or something like that.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Dodgy accounting happens, though.
The QPR club owners wrote off £60m in loans and classed the event as one-off income injection …
http://www.financialfairplay.co.uk/latest-news/qpr-s-accounts-released-and-heading-for-%C2%A350m-fine
brisvegas(Quote)
Sharpy i’m sure we’ll get a better idea before the end of the week what the increased cost were, the only thing I can think of would have to be the training ground.
Big Dave(Quote)
Bris – that’s not dodgy accounting though, that’s reducing a debt – something we aren’t at risk of at Newcastle 🙄
Sharpy17(Quote)
Vegas @220 too true!
Maybe the profits are down because we have already bought a top flight striker and top class cb! Both players will be announced on the opening day of the next transfer window! …. or maybe not! 😕
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)