Inspirational punts verses steady hands.

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Patrick_Vieira (1)Interesting events seem to be popping up around the new head coach position at Newcastle United. It would seem we are due to hold talks with a certain Patrick Vieira for his possible services!, yes you read right, I did say Patrick Vieira. Quite how he has come into the frame is anyones guess. They may well of been monitoring his progress at City with the reserves or just realised he could be an option what with his contract up in the summer. How ever you slice it, if true, it’s a bold move by the Newcastle board, but is it smart or foolhardy?

So let’s weigh up the pro’s and con’s of unknown quantities verses steady hands. When you employ a Maclaren, Pulis, Moyes or Allardyce you know exactly what you are getting; namely a guy to steady the ship with a possible decent cup run . That’s all fine and good but what if you want more than that? I mean can these guys gain regular top 6 or 5th finishes or better? well, probably not in truth, if they could do better they’d already be at the likes of Chelsea. In the case of Moyes, he had a shot at Man utd after steady work at Everton yet failed once in charge with apparently more talent and cash at his disposal . So is there a case for saying that younger untested managers in waiting or at lower division clubs are worth a punt. Apparently yes there is and the evidence is right in front of us.

Take a look at the final 6 placed teams in the championship this season and the top 5 are all young managers with the first 3 gaining their clubs promotion to the promise land of the Premier League. Bournemouths Eddie Howe at 37 years old and who’s only real top flight football as a player was two appearences for Portsmouth under Redknapp, has done an amazing job there. Then we have Watfords Slavisa Jokanovic at 46 years old and who played for Partizan Belgrade and Chelsea in the top flight and managed Partizan and Levski Sofia amongst others. Then of course there is Alex Neil of Norwich who is just 32 years old and come seemingly from no where. Actually he came down from Hamilton academical after great success getting them promoted to the Scottish Premier League last season. The day he left his players were in tears such was his standing as not just a coach but former player for them. The

Accies loss is Norwiches gain as he’s guided them via the playoffs to the Premier League.

Talking of playoffs, let’s look at Boro’s manager Aitor Karanka, ok his team fell at the final hurdle but what a marvalous job he’s done at the Boro. At 41 years old another up and coming manager who played most of his career at Bilbao and Real madrid. He did manage the Spanish u16 side and learn his trade next to Jose Mourinho at R. Madrid though to be fair. All the same these clubs have taken a punt or a brave decision on their new head coaches when the easy option would of been a steady Eddie.

So the question is do Newcastle go with a tried and trusted pair of hands or opt to go down the untried route like the afore mentioned clubs?

Derby have just sacked Steve Maclaren who has been heavily linked to the Newcastle post for months now in favour of an untried manager in Paul Clement, yet to be confirmed. Clement has a lot of experience, coaching at Chelsea Academy, Fulham Academy and was ROI U21 coach, Blackburn Rovers assistant coach ,PSG assistant coach and Real Madrid assistant coach alongside Ancelotti. Yet the guy never played beyond non league as a player! Should we infact be looking to employ someone like Clement rather than Steve Maclaren?

With Villa taking a chance on Tim Sherwood with some early success and Everton doing steady under Roberto Martinez, Swansea doing ok under Garry Monk and relegated QPR seemingly happy to show faith in Chris Ramsey to guide them back to the PL , shouldn’t we be giving a young progressive coach a chance?

I can understand a lot of fans wanting an established name, a safe pair of hands if you like but sometimes the unknown quantity can spring a pleasent surprise. Remember Kevin Keegan had no experience in management and look what happened there.

Thoughts?

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526 thoughts on “Inspirational punts verses steady hands.”

  2. I doubt McClaren will stabilise us at the back judging by Derby’s defensive woes.

    My concern with McClaren is that his last three jobs have been disasters and he’s been sacked. Two of them Championship clubs. How is he a decent appointment by anyone’s standards?

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  3. Maca must be cheap is all I can say.
    Joke of a club = NUFC
    But when the wolly brings in a couple new signings (not his obviously) the majority of fans will be back on board mikes choo choo.
    Roll up roll up get your season tickets now.
    Top 10 here we come. (if we’re very lucky)
    👿 👿 👿 👿 👿

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  5. Don’t forget, there’s still the mystery 3rd candidate. Top European coach by all accounts…… 😳

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  6. I have a cunning plan – put Carver in charge of the Reserves. It might humiliate him enough that he looks for another job, and who knows, he will probably be OK at teaching the basics to kids?

    Then sack Stone and Watson as I doubt if they are on that much money.

    Keep Woodman as Pardew will probably poach him.

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  7. So Boyata has gone to Celtic. I think we’ve missed an opportunity to take a very talented young CB there – nowt new for the toon though. Too busy with managers to think about players us.
    I would certainly take Joel Matip though. I think he’d be a very good acquisition.

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  8. Boyata was very ropey every time i saw him at Bolton or Man City

    Im hoping we’ll be aiming for better than him

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  9. CC – Boyata is better than Saylor & Willo. Of course there are better CBs than Boyata, but he is better than what we have and cost nowt. Irrelevant now anyway as he’s signed a 4 yr deal at Celtic.

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  10. Come on he is not better that Taylor. He was woeful out on loan and he’s only been kept on at Man City for as long as he has to fill the home grown quota. Like Richard Wright

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  12. CC – you’re entitled to yours mate, but I don’t rate Saylor much at all personally mate – when he plays anyway as I can’t remember the last time he had an injury free season.

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  13. Just thought I pop on to check on STUART,he told me we would have K
    Loop Austin,Igns ect signed up by the time I get back,hope he has not lead me up the garden path,Penfold is taking his time ffs

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  15. DAVE its just ii fell in this pub doorway thought I would check in while in the shade its 29c phew

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  17. Sharpy

    That’s his problem but there’s no doubting the upturn in our fortunes when the lad gets a run in the team

    It’s about opinions you have yours on Boyata, Mine is that he may well be better than Williamson (who’s off apparantly) but with Saylor & Colo having another year left, Lascelles coming in, Dummett & even Janmaat impressing there we should have enough back up for centre half

    I’m hoping we get two to go Straight into the team

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  18. CHOLO A. SALL 367
    realy richards at cb lol all 5 foot 11 of him eh 😆

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  19. Icedog have a good holiday mate. Stuart79 says will have Austin and Ings by the time you return home. How longs your holiday a month or a couple of years. Stuart sources are normally spot on

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  21. Haven’t been able to get on in a while, but god we’re a bit of a shambles aren’t we. Literally can’t wait until Carver is gone, I will take pretty much anyone but I’m foolishly optimistic as usual..

    Sadly Schteve seems a shoe in now really, and he’d be a signing true to form. Tap them up until they are released or force a move and then swoop in while they’re cheap…

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  22. what is it with peeps that want to play shory butts a centre back will they ever learn ?

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  23. what is it with peeps that want to play short butts at centre back will they ever learn ?

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  24. CC – Saylor & Colo take around £130k pw between them in wages. Saylor rarely plays and has rarely played in the last 2 season, and Colo hasn’t played well in the last 2 seasons IMO. I’d sooner get rid personally mate as those wages would allow us to sign 2 good CBs to replace them.

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  25. SHARPY17
    colo been **** longer than 2 years would say its at least 3 and taylor hes been the same for i think 5 years now never hardly plays always injured

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  26. laughs all the way to the bank taylor dos yet i still see peeps think that taylor could do a job for us them peeps need to get real and give there nut a good shake in my opion

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  27. also notice taylor seems to be well enough for these jolly boy weekends away funny that

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  33. Terry not happy then?

    I would be interested to know who thinks McClaren is better than Pardew?

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  34. SM is not better than AP.. he may do slightly better if players are provided but he’s very similar.

    bore the teams to death and win 1-0 👿

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  36. Shamrock – they can have him mate. I don’t think he’ll work out personally, but could be wrong.

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  37. should of said.. hope to win 1-0…

    total bullshit about horse n cart, 80 applicants etc etc and now mike is promising to stick around until we win a cup 😯

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  38. Stu:
    At the risk of being a fence sitter, I’d say he potentially is. Definitely a mixed bag as far as his CV goes. A league cup, a European final and an Eredivisie title are no small feats, especially with that title being won at FC Twente. Being sacked by Derby and Wolfsburg less impressive.
    With SM I always come back to the sheer volume of people in the game who rate him very highly as a coach and think that there must be something in it. He was doing extremely well, and playing good football at Derby before things went tits up. Possibly just a bad time for a bad patch. Who knows?

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  39. What will prove the difference, or lack thereof, between McClaren and Pardew will be if there is a new coaching set-up, and if he has to toe the party line in much the same way as Pardew did and eventually got fed up of. If nothing changes there I fear there will be little difference between them, and little SM could do about it anyway.

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  42. 😆

    but as a typical Geordie I will back him 👿 but I will definitely take a back seat when it comes to watching games etc. no more missing trips to the coast with the bairns for a game away to Stoke etc.

    Ashley can do one for me..

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  44. Souness did actually get us to wembley and a european QF whilst finishing 14th with loads of injuries.

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  45. I used to find it funny when Souness sent his assistant to do the interview after the match. It was always after a defeat.

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  47. I’m planning to reserve judgement on McLaren – ideally for a couple of seasons. As people are saying, a mixed bag of results in his career, but with the sort of real highs on limited budgets which suggest he can organise a team. Also, for me, can he really be worse than most of the post-SBR panic managers?

    Souness – destroyed rather than managed a perfectly good squad;
    Roeder – underrated, should have been retained as a DoF
    Allardyce – an arroganr disaster, would have taken us down if not shipped out for –
    KK second time around – never go back
    Kinnear – mental, and not in a good way
    Shearer – great striker, terrible bully
    Hughton – did the job in the Champo, out of his depth in the Prem
    Pardew – surely we accept now that he did a decent job in tough circumstances, (not excusing his personality)
    Carver – give me strength…

    Measured on CV against that lot McLaren seems to come out pretty well…in theory

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  48. I think this line of conversation needs to be stopped before Penfold has an epiphany!!

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  50. I will get behind who ever they bring so long as he’s not inept and has a win first approach. Cannot stand the thought of any more defensive football, especially at home.
    I still think a Maclaren signing is not a change in approach and think we have missed a trick when other managers are out there. More mid table mediocrity awaits, I can hardly contain myself 🙄

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  52. Steve McClaren is on Defoes wish list for the Scum, which says a lot for me. He’s rated highly as a coach by those who have worked with him – I remember Owen speaking well of him too. Plus he worked with Austin at QPR for a while, so that might hold favour if we go after him too.

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  53. McClaren is definitely superior to Pardew. I’m actually warming to the idea of him as manager. The only thing that worries me is he’ll be forced to retain that bunch of cretins as his back room staff. If they binned them all off and went with McClarens choice of back room staff then I’d feel really positive. The poor results and football we’ve endured over the last 3/4 years is the biggest indicator they’re all absolutely ***** but the set pieces, fitness and tactical discipline of the players, injury record and the generally disjointed look of the team just proves none of them should be anywhere near a top flight team. Players visibly regress under their coaching. Also, Carver and Woodman are both just fucking embarrassing

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  54. I’ve been reading up a bit on McLaren and I’m Gona stop moaning. If he gets appointed then fine, but Ashley/Charnley need to let him bring his own coaches in and give him a competitive squad over a prolongued period of time – not just this season then revert back to type.

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  59. I’d have McClaren out of the two; I’ve spent more than enough time pulling my hair out asking at what the **** they do during the week.

    Our record in the last 3 seasons from corners, goals conceded, The amount of defeats & the amount of matches we fail to score in. Has been nothing short of pathetic

    Id take SM rather than repeating the **** again, Just hope he’s allowed to bring some of his staff particularly Steve Round & Eric Steele & get rid of the dross

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  60. Have we got a new head coach yet ?

    Have we signed any player’s yet, freebies included ?

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  63. If Steve McClaren has got the job then we might be able to end our 60 year wait for a cup.

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  64. Ayew would be a good addition to the side. Austin and Ing’s would be good signing’s also. All Lee Charnley has to do is get the player’s over the line before Icedog get’s back from his holidays.

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  67. I’m starting to get worried about this transfer window. Ayew is holding out for a better offer than we can provide. It’s going to be the same with Ing’s and a bidding war for Austin.

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  68. If we get 1 out of 3 of those names I will consider it a success. We do have good player’s that we can exchange with other clubs to lower the fee. Willaimson, Gouffran, Obertan and Riviere. Some clubs might be crying out for player’s of their skills.

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  69. With McClaren coming, the least I want is a striker in Austin and a winger in Matt Phillips, Vuckic return and a Cb in Kara Mbodji. McClaren playing in 433, Id establish Coloccini as DM.

    —————Krul—————–
    -Janmaat-Kara-Lascelles-Dummett-
    ————-Coloccini————–
    ———deJong—-Colback——–
    —-Sissoko————–Phillips—
    —————Austin—————

    Subs:Darlow, Haidara, Anita, Abeid, Vuckic, Sammy, Ayoze
    Then Harper, Saylor, Good, Satka/Sterry, Kemen, Smith, Aarons and Armstrong.

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  70. Ayoze to be our 1st sub off the bench can play Winger or Striker
    Darlow to challenge Krul fo GK spot
    Lascelles, Anita, Satka able to backup as RB
    Abeid able to all roles in Central Midfield, DM to AM.
    Vuckic replace de Jong as starter if injured, we should of put him in contention since Cabaye left. If not, Sissoko and Abeid can play this role
    Sammy to play Right or Left Winger, or Striker if needed.
    Armstrong, Aarons, Kemen to challenge for 1st team.
    I think that could make a good team, and Id like to see Coloccini as DM with Colback and a n10 of de Jong or Vuckic. If not he wil fight for his spot as Cb and Id start with Abeid as DM. Hope McClaren will bring the best of Dummett Ayoze de Jong Vuckic Abeid Aarons Lascelles Darlow, this should be the new base of Nufc with key additions of Austin, Kara and Philips and with Sissoko Janmaat Coloccini Krul Colback and Taylor who are the leaders of Nufc. Amd Janmaat as new captain.

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  72. With that, we can play better if not much better defense, improve a lot at offensive and defensive set pieces with Kara, Lascelles Austin de Jo all able to win headers. And with a better midfield and additions de Jong Austin Vuckic Phillips, and Sissoko back on the wing, we’ll see more of Ayoze Sammy or Armstrong and Janmaat would be able to add few assists next season.

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  73. And next to the 433, we.can go back to the 442 especially for home games.

    ——————Krul————–
    -Janmaat-Lascelles-Kara-Dummett-
    –Sissoko-Colback-Abeid-Phillips—
    ————deJong-Austin———-
    Subs: Darlow, Haidara Anita, Coloccini, Vuckic, Sammy/Aarons, Ayoze

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  74. If anyone fancies trying their hand at writing an article, let me know and I’ll get it published for you. 😉

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  75. It my be stupid, but I hope Man United signs Schnederlein and Schwensteiger, then McClaren brings his phome amd convince Michael Carrick to come at Newcastle, I really would love to have see us sign him.

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