Granted it’s a bitter medicine which is made more tolerable when results go your way, but when they don’t and you end up on a run like we are on right now then you have to start wondering what is going on.
Many of you longer-term readers will know that I’m the champion of long-term stability. I’ve got behind Alan Pardew from day one, mainly because he has to do well for us to do well, which worked last season, but now I’m left wondering if now is the time for change as we battle to stay in the Premier League.
I keep reading mixed opinions on it from fans of NUFC. To me the divide seems pretty split on the future of Alan Pardew as manager of Newcastle United. Some blame him for our results, others say that the lack of backing from the board has been a key factor, some will cite injuries as a factor and others will just ask who would be willing to come and work under Hinge and Bracket and the policies they so love to dictate.
So I thought I’d set out a poll and see what the opinion on this site is. Is the mass opinion that he must go or is it a vocal minority who are making themselves heard? I don’t know so please cast your vote now and leave a comment below.
[poll id=”73″]
They tell me Joe Kinnear would jump at the chance of coming back. There is to much going on at NUFC at the moment and a change of manager is not the answer. We need the owner and his streaking side kick to stop playing Russian roulette with our club and put some proper support financially into a poor playing squad.
WallsendStu(Quote)
Pardew is the manager and the buck stops with him, he determines who plays for us and how, last season he said his squad was short of numbers yet he sanctioned 5 or more senior players leaving to be replaced by 1 despite being in Europe and now it has all gone tits up, he has no one to blame but himself.
We have played mediocre at best all season because that is what our squad is, one injury to one of our so called purples and we are snookered, 2 or 3 was always going to be a disaster, Pardew gets paid a fortune to get results and he is failing big style, but he wont be sacked because like everything else at our club, there is no plan ” B ” for anything.
Robert(Quote)
SACK HIM- with that run hes used all his lifelines now- nothing will change he will take us down – get de Matteo in asap or Beardsley til end of season
toon-jim(Quote)
where are all the pro ashley mob?
craig chisholm(Quote)
Craig@79 ,Sat in a corner with their sports direct tops pulled over their heads and rocking to and fro. 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
13 defeats in 16 games is more than any other manager in the premiership would have been given… that’s a fair point. he has used every excuse in the book and then invented a few more….. would it be knee ****, no i think not and it is deserved. if anyone went to work and fuked up everything massive for around six months none stop.. i think we would all be sacked.. why not sack him? Well, the only reason is because we will not get in a real manager. our club has no pull and no attraction to any real manager. He has not been able to find a real one since the day he took over. So i think we just let AP finish the job he has started.. let him finish putting us into the CCC. Then they can sack him then if they want and put in some other unknown fuk up has been or never has been in AP’s place. Yes the manager is ****, proper ****, shocking… he fits with the owner perfectly.
Oh speaking of onwers… i see fat man is trying to buy ben sherman now… there goes your striker lads!
craig chisholm(Quote)
wel we can all have our opinions sack him or not but tge reality is this is not a bad run anymore . A bad run is no wins in 3,4 or 5 games . your in real trouble when you only pick up 6/8 points out of 10 games . When your on the run we are on your going down barring a big change in ideas .He has too go
Axel(Quote)
@big dave, not even wolfie himself could make fatty look good at the minute ha.
@craig chisholm, agree totally.
@robert77, do you really think Pardew decides who stays and who goes ? ”I am 100% sure Carroll is not leaving in this window“ do you really think he knocked on dekkas door and said please please sell 5 players and give me one know were in europe ? Do you really think Ashley isn’t just a tiny bit to blame ?
Really ?
keith(Quote)
i can understand people saying give him time but its a luxury we dont have if we lose against villa he has to go.
Alex(Quote)
Pardew determines who plays for us up to a point: The board’s purchases, lack of purchases and releases of many players give him the palette to choose from. At present, Pardew seems to have only ****-brown available.
Big Dave, you nailed it in that last post. It’s complex, but sometimes we want to make it simple: “Fire that one, there. That will fix it.” That doesn’t always work. Whoever comes in to replace him would have the same limitations from the board that Pardew now has. Pardew does have to take some of the blame, no doubt, but he’s in a bad spot vis-a-vis what’s available at present. There are good signs–these two defensive targets look close– but it’s the 20th now… we need a few more signings in addition.
On that note, Osasuna has the 4th best defensive record in La Liga–better than Barcelona and one goal behind Real Madrid–even though they are in the relegation mix. They have a center back, 23, called Alejandro Arribas. He’s played for them for Anybody seen him play? He plays for them every week. I figure he’s gotta be doing something right… worth a try?
Fans Should Own The Club(Quote)
alex… its time to chill out and accept our fate.. we are already relegated, you just dont know it yet, its over though.
craig chisholm(Quote)
We can only hope that he has learnt that you can’t defend a 1.0 lead with a weak defence and that you keep your creative players on for as long as poss barring injury.Oh and you don’t carry unfit ,out of form players for 90 mins. Finally if Ranger wasn’t a viable option yesterday,then keep the gobshite out of the team altogether.
KIMTOON(Quote)
i think pardew is a great manager and i yet to seek his fortune
nomster321(Quote)
Dave- there are comments even in this post that site the lack of investment as the problem. I’m not going to get into a debate on whether they’re saying its the ONLY problem. It doesn’t make a difference.
Fact is the squad is not a bottom 3 side. Pardew has turned us into one.
Ashley and owl heed are at fault as well but my main concern is staying in the prem and I have zero faith that pardew can guide us through this after the last couple of months regardless of who we bring in. He’s lost the squad and he’s lost the plot.
And once again a proper manager would do far better with this squad. Especially against the likes of reading.
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
CUT HIM SUM SLACK!!!!!!!
nomster321(Quote)
I have a problem. Pardew is not a bad manager. He has a decent record, better than many managers out of work looking to come in. Those with better records would not be popular e.g. Hoddle or Kinneer. Bringing in a promising young manager or a foreign import would be a big gamble.
However, the current form is totally unacceptable despite the extenuating circumstances, injuries, lack of investment etc ad infinitum.
What to do. Procrastination is the mother of relegation. In the absence of of a guaranteed bounce with an experienced manager coming in I say Stick. But I may regret it.
Premandup(Quote)
@SSNSources: BREAKING. SKY SOURCES: Alan Pardew has been sacked by Newcastle. More to follow. #SSN #NUFC
3hourswasted(Quote)
i think a good thing for AP to do and to save face in the event that we are going down anyway would be to walk out on us right now… and say that he has to leave as the owner and MD are impossible to work for and he has tried his level best.. lasted twice as long as the next with ashley but that enough is enough and that he wishes all the fans well and the players but that without interest or investment from the owner instead of asset stripping, the job is impossible. That would give AP an out and also get loads of **** press for fat **** and del boy dekka. i like that solution….
oh and please dont say bad timing blah blah as with 13 losses out of 16 games i am guessing it makes no difference if he stays or goes..
another thing that has struck me is that maybe he has been porking colos missus after all … and all the players are in revolt against him … it was such a bizzare statement to make to say he wasnt.. normally that would mean he was and has been caught. It was only a couple of months ago that colo bought a big new home in the north east etc etc… something has gone on for sure..the dirty *******! AP out!!
craig chisholm(Quote)
There it is again. ***** options available.
Did reading have the better players yest?
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Probably bollox don’t know if this is genuine
3hourswasted(Quote)
Bollocks
Stuart79(Quote)
Ashley and Dekka have screwed us this year with lack of investment.
But this is still a squad good enough to stay up and if we don’t bring in a manager to give the players belief, organization and plan, we are going down.
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Aye it’s bollox another bogus account 🙄
3hourswasted(Quote)
Jersey I understand 100% where your coming from, I agree whole heartily with your finishing line ” a proper manager would do far better with this squad. Especially against the likes of reading.”
But do you hand on heart believe that we could get one that would work under the Regime with the way they are running the show ❓ ❓ ❓ because I don’t
Big Dave(Quote)
Fake account, only 200 odd followers.
JJ(Quote)
Jacques Rousselot, President of Nancy said when interviewed by Bein Sport, that they have received and accepted an offer of €3 million for their 20 year old defender.’
Big Dave(Quote)
3hrswasted… god if only that were true.. they wont sack him as he gives great head to ashley and colos missus said he is not arf bad in the sack either.
craig chisholm(Quote)
There are non league clubs who have been more successful than us this season in cups, and sides with far lesser squads that would beg for the quality of player Ashley has supplied Pardew with.
We could supply Pardew with Barcelona’s squad and he would probably finish fifth or sixth. He just seems at a loss.
We should be nowhere near the bottom, even with the lack of investment and injuries.
JJ(Quote)
ALEX@84
Agreed. The QPR owners said we want to stick with Mark Hughes, but it just wasn’t working for him that particular season at that club with those players. They got someone else in with fresh ideas and now look like they have a slim chance and have won a few games. I want Pardew to do well like everybody else, especially after last season but this is a results business. Pardew’s job description at the start of the season was to keep us in the Prem league and have a laugh in the Cups/Europe (bollix to top 8 etc. this is what they will have said to him). The simple fact is that he just doesn’t look like he’s going to do it. The players didn’t look up for it yesterday and he made errors (the crowd WERN’T booing Cabaye and the players, they booed Pardew for taking off Marv for Perch BEFORE that and just carried it on later). Yes Pardew hasn’t the best squad but look at the squad Reading have and Villa and Wigan etc. We are good enough to stay up with a competent manager and coaches. Now, do we wait till we lose the next 4-5 games or do we change things. I think if we lose at Villa (after that hard games again) it’s time for him to go. Too many excuses, blaming the Europa, the players, injuries (only a few are out now), and now he has the cheek to blame the fans and has even convinced that dopey Nile Ranger that the fans were booing the players! Game over.
DJG(Quote)
If I can i will just ask one question to pardew? Why Jonas is always on the pitch and never get sub even if he makes complete ****.
Cannot cross , make a pass, take on players, shoot. And during last games even defensively he is bad????
Just to understand this loyalty to gutierrez. Marv has done more in 3 or 4 games than Jonas during one half season.
But at the end, if we don’t sack Pardew, Ben Arfa is our last hope.
I still think just with Benny we will maitain us.
HBA39(Quote)
I wouldn’t be surprised if Pardew spoke to the players after the game about “the crowd booing them, and not to let it effect them”…
He is so arrogant…
He should have stood up and said, “the players are not to blame, I am, I made big mistakes in my tactics and I have learned from them. I apologise to the fans and players.”
JJ(Quote)
Reckon a fit Raylor would of bagged us a lot more goals this season ,he’s been a big miss imo.
KIMTOON(Quote)
(THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. ONLY ENGAGE IF YOU AREN’T SENSITIVE AND DON’T TAKE HISSY FITS)
B&B has used many of these lines in the past and today.
I predict we will go down. I believe Pards will take us down. I believe he’s an overpaid buffoon. I believe he will be sacked about now. If he is sacked I won’t have any sympathy for him.
There’s plenty of better managers out there who would walk hot coals to manage us.
If he gets sacked now, he and the people who back him will say he was never given the chance.
😯 😯 if I believed all that I wouldn’t give two monkeys what others would say, I would want these decent managers here now 😯 😯
I don’t understand some people’s logic at all. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Dave- not likely and the thought of who might replace him turns my stomach just as much as our recent performances.
But it is obvious that we are only going one way with pardew. The players know it, the fans know it and I think pardew knows it now as well because he is starting to deflect and push the blame more so than ever.
Any change is better than where we are going now, and you never know who you might get. The opportunity to manage a prem side is an attractive one and there are many managers out there chomping at the bit for a chance. We don’t need someone to take us into Europe right now. We need someone to inject some belief back into the club. Preferably someone that can understand players play better in their natural positions and has any kind of tactical organizational sense.
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
I cant see any reason for backing him after yesterdays debacle..its blatantly obvious that he has lost the dressing room, and now the fans after yesterday! I would love to see his overall record for NUFC and how it compares to other manager, because to be honest id say he has one of the worst records in recent history. Regardless of injuries and lack of investment, we are falling way short of where we should be. We have a far better squad than any of the teams around us (NINE internationals yesterday). Every team get injuries but it doesnt mean they have to play ***** football. I would feel sorry for AP having to play that sack of **** Williamson week in week out but it wasnt so long ago that he was singing his praises. He must go and quickly because with AP the best we can hope for is staying up by the skin of our teeth followed by a mass exodus in the summer.
buddy(Quote)
The worst part is that the fat man and the owl should’ve starting looking for a replacement months ago just incase a change was needed but you just know those incompetent idiots haven’t done any work in the area…
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Kimtoon,
Raylor is a championship/lower table prem player at best. The fact we see him being injured as a ‘miss’ is indicative of our problem
buddy(Quote)
Also, if we’re not rid of pardew by the end of this month, I can see a lot of players wanting to leave on deadline day especially if colo leaves.
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Maybe toonsy should put a new poll up who should our next manager be 😀
My first option would be Huub Steven
my second Adkins
my third Di Matteo
All 3 are out of work so realistic targets .
Axel(Quote)
AXEL@114
Please be on the next time they bring out and dust of that stupid, pointless question. There are loads of managers (coaches) that would relish the challenge! ADMIT ADMIT 🙂
DJG(Quote)
What about Zola? Poyet would be a good option too even though I think he’s a *****
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Buddy @112 ,We have missed his free kicks imo and for all his Championship ability he has a guts and up and at em attitude that some of our players are lacking. Your Raylors ,Guthries ,Nolans are the type of players needed in a fight like this and we simply don’t have them either through injury or from getting rid. We have some very skillfull ,clever players who are great in a successfull team but how will they fair when the going gets tough is my worry .We need some British grit and a couple of older heads with experience imo. Not sure an influx of Frenchies is the answer to a relegation battle ,hope I’m wrong.
KIMTOON(Quote)
DJG which coaches ,managers who are in a job ❓ any one that would give up a current post too work under Jabba and Llamearse needs their heed examined 😉 😆
Axel(Quote)
One style of play blinkered vision towards his favourites, poor tactical decisions in his substitutions, etc etc etc conclusion get him out before its too late PARDEW PLEASE GO
Duncan Blacklock(Quote)
there is no point in naming any mangers at all cos we cant get any..no manager wants to work with **** face for a boss.
craig chisholm(Quote)
KIMTOON i agree m8 we need players that at least know the EPL for me Hietinga from Everton he wants out ,and Danny Graham would do the job we need doing until the end of the season . SWP from qpr was rumored to be wanting out a while back as well . He would at least add pace but i reckon Arry would block that one .
Axel(Quote)
Well just for one example. Nigel Adkins. He got Southampton promoted twice in a row with much less money and resources than our club and when he got sacked he had them on the way to safety in the premier league! Career total win ratio 51.03% Pardew 42.52%. 36.36% at the toon. Adkins would probably replace him tomorrow. Need I go on…
DJG(Quote)
The bookies who have no sentiment and deal only in money now have AP odds on to be the next EPL manager sacked. They’re not usually a bad guide
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
Wow, since his sacking Adkins has really gone up in the world. We are not the only supporters creaming our jeans over him 😕
Of course, had Adkins been offered up to the toon faithful as manager a few years ago we would have heard the howls of derision all over Tyneside. Now Adkins is the dogs bollocks. Funny old game football eh ?
Munich Mag(Quote)
Axel
No offense mate but none of those players you mention are good buys.
Perhaps Graham, but not at £5mil.
JJ(Quote)
DJG so would Huub Stevens and he has a good record both in Holland and Germany also managed clubs as big and bigger than us and is tactically aware . His personality would be a big hit with the fans as well , he wants hard work and takes no **** from his players and he comes from a hard working background a coal mining area of Holland . He would be great for us .
Axel(Quote)
Pardew seems to be like Mark Hughes. Talks a good job, but just cannot seem to get it right.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Axel@122 ,yep ,that’s my point ,any imports will need time to adjust to our league ,teamates and Pards tactics /ideas or lack off 😆 Add in a relegation scrap and it’s a big ask and won’t really be the players fault tbh. I know Remy got off to a flyer with qpr but one swallow don’t make a summer as they say and it remains to be seen if he continues to fly .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Axel, I recall Hub Stevens left Schalke the first time round cos his wife had a life threatening disease. I really like the bloke, and he knows what he is doing, but cannae see him arriving at the toon. Good manager though, and he’s got a lot of edge about him and usually has the players battling like hell.
Munich Mag(Quote)
MM
A bit like when Houghton was sacked.
IMO he is worse than Pardew. I can see Norwich going down too. They haven’t won in six games and looked terrible against us.
Pardew should have targeted three points against them but again was negative and settled for a point.
JJ(Quote)
JJ they would be a short term fix too get us out of the **** we are in .Heitinga is 29 and an expierenced CB we would get another 3 seasons out of him 3.5 million would get him i think .
Axel(Quote)
Graham wouldn’t be such a bad buy actually but they want far too much ,you will always find this with PL based players same with Championship players. I wouldn’t mind Hooper but again he’d cost a pretty penny.
KIMTOON(Quote)
JJ@130, I agree with you regarding Houghton, says the right words, but ultimately not a top manager.
There are managers who rely on motivation, but this has to be backed up by tactical nous. I don’t think there is any doubt that Pardew can talk the talk, but I really doubt that Pardew has the tactical nous required.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Too disappointed yesterday to come on. We played a decent first half but Cisse didn’t take any of his chances. He looks very nervy now and continues to go offside too often. Shola was useless. We have no real attack other than Cisse and other teams know it. Surely Cabaye must be very disappointed in us as well. Don’t like any of the noises coming out of Pardew’s mouth. We are in a bind again with an uncommitted owner so sacking Pardew probably wouldn’t help. But we’re also in freefall straight down the table. Can anyone see us beating either Chelsea or Spurs the way we’re playing right now? I would predict an away draw with Villa as well so very few points to come. I like that owlrat name Rodz @36, think that’s what I’ll call him from now on unless we come up with something better.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
None of them look reliable but a lot of tweets about AP being sacked following meetings at SJP today
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
The problem with managers like pardew and Hughes is that they are man managers and not tactical managers. In modern football the tactical managers are starting to make the man managers obsolete along with the 4-4-2 formation.
JerseyGeordie(Quote)
Actually how about owl faced rat turd? I kinda like that one as well. Is that a real quote from Pardew B&B @10? It sounds very much like his drivel. Does anyone use the phrase “a little bit” more than Pardew? Just leave that out it just makes you sound pathetic Pardew.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Like all con-men, it starts off with a positive vibe and a belief, then doubt. Then eventually they are just spinning a big yarn and the lie starts to unravel so fast that they just look ridiculous and the wheels fall off. At no point do they tell the truth or admit mistake, they just end up looking stupid and telling blatant lies. Then they usually do a runner. Pardew is nearly at that stage now.
DJG(Quote)
I suspect you’re right JerseyGeordie @136. Pardew really does seem like a man manager but once the players stop listening there is nothing to fall back on. He looks desperately short on ideas to get us going.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
How massive is that Villa game now 🙄
KIMTOON(Quote)
Alan Pardew has been sacked as manager of West Ham…
The Hammers are in 18th place in the Premiership following a run of three straight defeats that culminated in Saturday’s 4-0 thrashing at Bolton.
“Alan has made an important contribution since joining in September 2003 but this season’s results have been disappointing,” said a statement.
“Chairman Eggert Magnusson and the board feel it is the right time to make a change in the club’s best interests.”
Following a disappointing start to the season, the Hammers were briefly boosted when a consortium led by Magnusson completed a £85m takeover, with the team winning their next match against Sheffield United.
Magnusson initially vowed to keep faith with Pardew, promising funds for the January transfer window.
However, the club’s subsequent slide into the bottom three forced the Icelander’s hand and Pardew is the second managerial casualty of the Premiership season – following Iain Dowie’s exit from Charlton.
However, it has been an entirely different scenario this term, with the Hammers finding points hard to come by – despite the high-profile signings of Argentine internationals Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano.
“It’s a shame that he’s gone but football is like that. You get your chance and as soon as you start losing games, the pressure’s on.”
Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson expressed his sympathy for Pardew.
“Football is unfortunate in that it is a kind of industry where failure is quickly decided upon. I’m sorry to hear it, I don’t like anyone losing their job,” he said.
Sound familiar?
After looking certain for relegation, Curbishley led West Ham to seven wins out of their last nine games, beating Blackburn Rovers, Everton, Bolton Wanderers, Wigan Athletic, Arsenal, Middlesbrough and a 1–0 win at Manchester United on the last day of the season, to keep West Ham in the Premier League.
DJG(Quote)
What a fall from grace for Pardew. When some were raving about him last season I thought we should wait a season or two before starting to compare him to Keegan and Robson. He’s nowhere near the managers those 2 were for us and I think the mounting pressure will finish him. Wasn’t Robson sacked after 5 games one season? And here we are in 16th place after 23 games discussing whether Pardew should be sacked or not. It’s only because we don’t trust the owner that we’re even discussing this. Normally he would have been out the door after a loss to Reading at home.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
It appears to me that people have forgot exactly what makes a good manager – good players! It’s pretty much a fact that a manager is really only as good as his players.
Stuart79(Quote)
Siem de Jong scored again for Ajax today.
Fans Should Own The Club(Quote)
over 1200 votes 😯
Who’s voted twice? 😉
mark(Quote)
Stuart- Curbishley had the same players as Pardew more or less, he just played them in their proper positions, including Tevez and Macherano, and did what was perfectly obvious to the majority of fans watching the game. You are correct, a manager can only use what is available. But don’t dismiss the fact that a bad manager will not motivate the players, lose the dressing room and the fans and not play players in their best positions. In that respect players are only as good as the manager.
DJG(Quote)
Craig Chisholm ?!!!!!
Do you mind if I ask how old you are ??
I don’t suppose you are as old as Victor Meldrew but FFS you sure do a great impersonation of him or is it Septic Meg with all your knowledgeable predictions ” we are already relegated” ” Nobody would come here” ” he gives good head to Ashley” “the club has no pull or attraction” ” I think keep him and let the whole lot go down together” ?!
FFS man, why don’t you just top yourself and put yourself out of your self imposed misery ?!
Jesuuuus, imagine having to listen to your suicidal negative unhelpful chip on your shoulder garbage in a pub before or after the game ?! No bleedin thanks !!!!
HTL
James Mercer(Quote)
Stuart79@143, Pardew had pretty much the same players for two seasons now. Have the players turned bad, or has the manager turned bad ?
No, we had Demba Ba who got us out of the shoyt, and the players believed in Pardew’s “man management”. At the start of the season the players were SO lackadaisical everyone was shocked at the performances. Something went seriously wrong somewhere, and apart from some huff and puff against Everton, Man Utd and Arsenal, we are really no further forward.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Just can’t see how this can end well for Pardew now. He was hanging on by the skin of his teeth. We beat Wigan when we had to at home and QPR as well (just barely) but now we lose a crucial game against the 19th place side at home with poor results from previous matches and difficult games to come. This is a real test of Ashley now. Is he ready to panic yet or will he wait until we slide into the drop zone? It seems only a matter of time. He will be getting no decent advice from owl faced rat boy who is clueless so who does he turn to? Probably another drinking buddy.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
lol how can anyone believe B&B’s post was real 😯 🙄 😆
mark(Quote)