Saido Berahino scored the decisive penalty a few minutes before full-time after Matej Vydra was brought down by Tim Krul, but the reality is that the performance just wasn’t good enough.
Neither side created much in front of goal although West Brom did have the better of the limited chances on offer in what was in all reality a tame affair. The result is undoubtedly a blow for United, but perhaps the more concerning news is the red card awarded to Mathieu Debuchy which will incur a three game ban, and the news that Fabricio Coloccini will be out for four to six weeks with a knee injury.
I can’t comment too much on the match as I’ve only seen the limited highlights on offer and I had the joys of a 13 hour shift at work yesterday so missed it all in real time, but from what I’m gathering the performance just wasn’t there.
I said in the article which covered the match that no game is easy and that you must perform in every game if you want to do well in the Premier League. United still have an heir of inconsistency about them and it would appear that our purple patch is over.
We’ve now got two home games coming up starting with the visit of Cardiff in the FA Cup on Saturday followed by a league game against Manchester City before away trips at West Ham and Norwich bring January to a close. How many points would you fancy from those?
If anything these last two games have confirmed to me what I kind of always thought – that we are a top-half team and nothing else. With a bit of wind behind us we could finish a bit higher like we’ve done before, and when faced with issues we could finish lower like we’ve done before. From this though we just have to move on.
Howay the lads!
West Brom: Ben Foster; Billy Jones, Gareth McAuley, Jonas Olsson, Liam Ridgewell, Youssouf Mulumbu, Claudio Yacob, Morgan Amalfitano, Stephane Sessegnon, Chris Brunt, Nicolas Anelka
Subs: Boaz Myhill, Matej Vydra, Saido Berahino, Zoltan Gera, James Morrison, Shane Long, Diego Lugano
Newcastle: Tim Krul; Mathieu Debuchy, Fabricio Coloccini, Mike Williamson, Davide Santon; Yohan Cabaye, Cheik Tiote, Moussa Sissoko; Loic Remy, Shola Ameobi, Yoan Gouffran
Subs: Rob Elliot, Massadio Haidara, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa, Steven Taylor, Vurnon Anita, Hatem Ben Arfa, Papiss Cisse
Attendance: 26,430
Absolutely furious at Pardew for that defeat. Debuchy cost us any chance of a victory, but Pardew’s tactics cost us a point.
Why on earth did we continue with a high line against a side width no real aerial threat and no striker that likes to play with his back to our goal? We should have dropped deeper and had West Brom play everything in front of us. They could have played another 30mins and wouldn’t have broke us down if we had done that.
That was Pardew’s first mistake, but the most criminal thing was the fact he didn’t change tactics despite us receiving several warnings. Berahino came on and broke our “offside trap” two or three times before Vydra did the same and won the penalty. Why the f**k didn’t Pardew address the problem?
He’s let us down this week. Nothing to do with tiredness.
The Kid(Quote)
Why do we always get games whereby a new manager officially take charge of our opponent(Cardiff)….
Hopefully the new manager effect doesn’t cause us yet another chance of going further in FA CUP…
Or else, a string of losses is impending. 🙄 🙄
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
AOD
Could care less about the FA Cup. We won’t win it.
The Kid(Quote)
The kid – if Pardew is sacked maybe you could run for manager/head coach – with that attitude towards the cups you’d get on great with Mike 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
If all these top managers are queuing up to manage NUFC then why is Pardew still here?
Stuart79(Quote)
I can see this season ending in a damp squib. Come April, May time those heading for Brazil will find reasons to miss games, wont go into 50/50 challenges. Accumulate as many points as we can before the end of March and settle for mid table mediocrity. A wonderful thought isn’t it
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
Johnny Hetinga. That will really make a difference. Thanks for everything Colo enjoy your retirement in Argentina
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
@sharpy17
Mike Ashley would spend £100m on a player if there was a good enough business case for it.
I’m not joking. If he spent £100m on one player & that there was a 90%+ chance that the player could bring £150m into the club, mike ashley would do it. Who wouldn’t??
From his point of view, he’s not just going to throw money at a transfer just because the fans or pardew think another player is needed. He wants evidence that it’s worth his investment & that the manager isn’t just playing football manager with his money.
The list of managers i’ve said might not have managed in the premier league but that does not mean they are not better than pardew.
Guardiola hasn’t managed in the premier league either. If he wanted to come to newcastle you wouldn’t come on here saying ‘nah, we’re better off sticking with pardew’ would you?
My point is that there are better foreign managers than pardew. It’s the same as wanting tom ince. Is ince really better than his foreign counterpart? I doubt it.
Why should we look to foreign players & managers? Because for too long english football has been stuck in the dark ages.
There is a very good reason why england have not won a major competition in 50 years.
KK(Quote)
Heitinga look all set to join us after turning down West Ham.
Heitinga and Gomis. I don’t rate either to be honest.
The Kid(Quote)
@The Kid : Point isn’t winning the FA CUP, is bringing the winning feeling back..
Are you telling me, u couldn’t care less whether we win or lose against cardiff and then we highly lose again against Man city…
🙄
AngelOfDeath(Quote)
@stuart79
Pardew is still here because derek llambias gave him a stupid contract & some fans wanted mike ashley to give pardew another season.
There is no doubt that he would have lost his job if ben arfa didn’t score the winners in the 2 games at the start of the season.
The odd thing is that there are alot of pardew fanboys on here. Somehow pardew has become unsackable. It doesn’t matter if we barely avoid relegation, we’ll blame mike ashley because he’s the devil.
KK(Quote)
The Kid – seen Cabella play?
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Wow.
😐 😡 🙁 👿 😥
Are you lot available for weddings and bahmitzvahs?
I do agree with a lot of the criticism of Pards over yesterday – not adapting during the game, not rotating and all that. Buckstop and all that. But it’s just one game. He got it wrong, just like every manager does several times a year. “The Special One” has screwed up more than got it right this term, but I’m pretty sure you’d all have your tongues up his **** if he walked through the door.
All this ***** about replacing Pardew because he’s not good enough is just bigotry; you’d just replace him with another manager who is at least as fallible and far more of a risk. But at least he’d not sound southern, eh. And at least the dodgy bits on the new guy’s CV would be with overseas clubs so we can ignore them easily.
While I’m ranting, here’s the biggest claptrap of all: “We are the last big club in the premier league with a not very good manager.”
Since when? A wee home truth: our average finishing position since the Premier League started is 10th.
TENTH.
We had two brief dalliances at the top end, one under KK and the other under SBR. and both paid for by going into massive debt. Without those two periods of relative brilliance we’d have an average on a par with West Brom and Villa.
So here we are, with the club making money, on a points total we’ve not seen at this point of the season since the SBR days – and people are calling for the manager’s head.
Bloody unbelievable.
Oooh, that feels better.
Whumpie(Quote)
Liam Southern Toon
Nah, sorry mate. I haven’t watched Ligue 1 for a good while in truth. Just don’t get the time anymore.
The Kid(Quote)
KK – you really aren’t joking are you?! 😯 There is no way on earth that Ashley would ever spend £100m on any player!. I don’t imagine him ever spending £100m on 10 players!!.
The policy is the right player at the right price – that means buy cheap sell high. A £100m player would not sign for 80k pw or less – it would never happen and I can’t understand why you would even suggest that?!.
As for Pep – who knows?. It must be far easier to manage when you have the Barca or Bayern squad available to you. Could he do a better job than Pardew – more than likely. But could he win titles and trophies with this squad – I don’t think so.
Ask Spurs if foreign managers are better. Redknapp to AVB didn’t work out very well did it?, did they go for another foreigner? – Tim Sherwood, unbeaten so far with the same group of players.
Cabrella is a better player than Ince in my opinion. But Cabrella is £14m and Ince is £4m (ish, according to reports) – so which is most value for money?. Also we have to have English players in the squad and Ince is a young talented English player.
“There is a very good reason why england have not won a major competition in 50 years”.
Yeah – because we are too quick to look abroad IMO. We should be looking to develop English players and managers.
Finally – if your list of foreign managers are so good – why aren’t any of them at Sunderland, WBA, Cardiff, Crystal Palace or any of the other clubs that changed their managers in the summer?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Whumpie
You don’t half muddy the waters fella.
You’ve just dismissed all the top 7 finishes we’ve had since we got in
The premier.
Under KK, Dalglish & SBR we finished 2nd more than once, 3rd more than once, 3rd more than once, 4th 5th 6th & 7th on numerous occasions.
Almost half our finishes have been in the top 7.
We’ve qualified the CL & Europa.
The finishes have been in the bottom half but the achievements of those top 7 finishes should not be written off as just an average 10th.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
The Kid – Heitinga isn’t for me either. Not sure how much Everton want for him but at 30 he wouldn’t be one for the future. With Colo and Wilo also 30 plus I’d sooner see us go after an early to mid twenties player personally.
At the right price I think Gomis could do a job, and would certainly be ahead of Shola and Cisse for me at the minute.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Troy: but that’s what an average is. 😆
The whole point is to make people consider both. We get the ‘deluded fans’ phrase aimed at us a lot, and it’s because too many only remember those good results, and happily ignore the others and the fact that we’ve won nowt. That leads to unrealistic expectations, which leads to daft calls for managers’ heads as soon as they make a mistake.
The average is the average. And NUFC, in the Premier League era, are a mid-table club. If we’re doing better than that, surely we can accept we’re still going to slip up now and again?
And yes, I still believe that had Debs not screwed up we’d probably have won yesterday.
Whumpie(Quote)
BB&KK. You have both posted what I was wondering yesterday re- Debuchy’s rash tackle, it does make you wonder doesn’t it. Can’t understand why he went in two footed like that , it was a proper brainfart, likewise Krul’s action and he’s a lucky boy ,I thought he was off for sure like. As for the game, most pundits seem to think the Baggies were the better side yesterday and I can’t argue that we were better, we wern’t . I was really hacked off when I saw Shola picked ahead of Cisse who I think would of fed off Debs crosses better than Shola but every one was saying it’s Sholas hold up play which got him picked. Well the truth is Shola has roughly two decent games a season and he has had them now and should be left on bench now. Lets get Cisse starting again and see if he can regain some form ,moreover he’ll see that the manager has faith in him again. Thought we were pants in the final third yesterday ,very poor and West Brom wern’t much better but us going down to ten made it easy for them in the end.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Whumpie – I think had Debuchy not been sent off, both teams would have happily played out a boring 0-0 draw.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I really dont understand some people.
1) – Chelsea have a ridiculous squad
2) – Manchester City have a ridiculous squad
3) – Arsenal spent £40m on a world class player and have a very good squad
4) – Liverpool have Suarez
5) – Manchester United are the biggest club in the world
6) – Spurs spent a hatful and have a very strong squad
why would we expect to get into the Champions league ahead of any of these teams? quite frankly its a near impossible job and with the amount we have spent we have done well to be top 8!
Rant over 😆
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
So we are supposed to be hijacking the Heitinga move I see ,if true that should add some unwanted bite to the Hammers game 🙄
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kimtoon
Apparently the club have denied it. Thank f**k! The lad is useless.
The Kid(Quote)
The Kid – Amen he is useless. The only reason he has so many caps for Holland because there was noone else.
Why get him? Colo is leaving in summer and thats when we will spend to get a decent CB. it makes no sense whatsoever.
Funny how lee ryder and co get paid not to realise this 🙄
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Liam Southern Toon
Wouldn’t be surprised if the hacks have got us confused with that lot down the road. They are desperate for defensive cover and will probably sign 4 or 5 players out of pure panic this month.
The Kid(Quote)
Liam @96, The first 4 on the list also have excellent managers too, which helps 😉
KIMTOON(Quote)
The Kid@98, Phew, right oh ,thanks.
KIMTOON(Quote)
The Kid – your bang on the money there. They were linked with him close season aswell.
Lets hope anyway.
I think the jan transfer window should be shorter say 2 weeks. It always seems to roll on and noone makes any moves until the last few days. Its a headache and a general pain in the ***.
The only reason I love it at the moment is because last year we signed 5 players in five days!
Can anyone clarify….I believe Remy cannot be bought by another club in our loan period nor can he be recalled? Anyone know?
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Actually, don’t know why I fell for that Heitinga rumour as that would mean Ash spending dosh 😆
KIMTOON(Quote)
Liam, yes you are right.
KIMTOON(Quote)
their is nowt in the Dutch media saying Heitinga is joining us ,just that he has turned down Westham and they list clubs interested in him and we are not on it .
AXEL(Quote)
Axel – anything about either Luuk or Nigel De Jong coming mate?
Sharpy17(Quote)
@LST
I agree with your rant. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
The Heitinga thing is obviously gash. Liam’s right – how do people get paid for producing that *****?
I think it was two seasons ago after the summer window when someone worked out that we’d been linked with 153 players and not one of them ended up at the club.
I do wonder if we should just loan in a decent striker to cover us until either Campbell or Armstrong – or both – come through. Right now I’d be happy if we get another striker in regardless of the shape of the contract.
Whumpie(Quote)
Troy – I agree with your agreeing with LST’s rant.
Not really a rant, tbh – just a bit of sense.
So.. why’s it on here?
Whumpie(Quote)
As we all saw yesterday we’re crying out for another attacker/striker. Shola’s never been it, Remy’s not quite as good as we thought and Cisse’s a lost cause. Pardew simply won’t try HBA up front. Gouffran’s ran himself into the ground and has been really poor for the last three games. No goals no points.
I worry about Cabaye too. Little short legs just can’t get up and down enough and he’s always trying the 30-40 yard pass, effectively playing himself out of the attack. I’m not saying drop him but I’d play him deep and we always look a better team with Anita in there. Disappointing yesterday but it had been coming and I’m not dispirited with 6 points from 12 over the period. We’ve been on a remarkably good run but to get anywhere near top 4 it has to be sustained over a long time. We’re not there yet.
georgio(Quote)
No one will join us, I have decided not to read any links, rumours or watch SSN unless it happens to be on ,on a match day as it’s pointless .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Whumpie – I was thinking about Campbell and Armstrong with Shola (likely) leaving in the summer.
Berahino looks every bit a PL player for WBA – would be nice to see a young Geordie break through in a similar way.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Ive done a dennis wise and looked at Cabella on youtube.
Quite frankly sol campbell would look a good player on youtube but hey ho.
The main think I would observe is he is like nothing we have at the toon at the mo and is french, can play in a variety of positions, and seems like our kind of surprise everyone with a player noones heard of signing.
Believe nowt till hes in the shirt.
Id rather ince …. want some english to back up poor old willo on his own
Liam Southern Toon(Quote)
Kim, that’s probably sensible. I should do the same. But I know I won’t. Pathetic, really. 🙄
On the up-side, good to see Cambell’s done well enough to earn an extension to his loan (and rave reviews from his manager) and that Armstrong continues to rip through opposition defences – albeit very young ones. Some real talent there, if we can just nurture it properly.
Who else do people think may come good from our development squad?
Whumpie(Quote)
By the way – I wasn’t able to tell from the stream I got – did the Williamson song get an airing at West Brom? The Colo one was obvious, but I think Willo has earned some singing…
Whumpie(Quote)
The thing is Whumpie, we aren’t a mid table side on average. Anything but.
We are a top or bottom table side.
Mid table suggests stability. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
SHARPY@107 nothing about either joining us just that Luuk ‘s club would now be willing to let him leave .
AXEL(Quote)
My good source reckons Luuk De Jong on loan to the end of the season is a done deal. West Ham were in for him but he’s chose the Toon.
I’m rarely wrong.
Mark my words or
Mock my words. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy; I’ve marked them for mocking. Will that do?
Whumpie(Quote)
I think it’s fair to say we are on schedule for a mid table finish, with a whiff of stability to boot.
I’ll give the fat bastad credit for that at least.
Oh and Troy NO I don’t want to see Pardew fail. Quite the opposite.
I want him to get it right. And I praise him when he does. But sometimes his actions take some understanding.
I said all along that the Arsenal game wasn’t important to us, in the grand scheme of things. It was far more important to have a fit and healthy team for the west brom match, so we could get 3 points from them.
Pardews ego took over and his desire to prove we could play as well as the top teams, resulted in us losing to arsenal and losing to WBA.
We now have tired, injured and suspended players, for up coming matches. All needless imho.
Hence I call Pardew for the clown he is.
Senseless dumb actions of a clueless idiot.
Yes he has done well to get us to where we are and the points tally we have, but then he blows it with a mega brainfart like this.
I’m sure Ashley is well happy tho, now that the threat of Europa footy has been removed 😉
8th place finish would be just about perfect for the fat controller. Who cares what the fans want ❓
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Liam…Last time I checked(which was yonks ago so it may have changed) a player can only be recalled from a season long loan in the event of a permanent transfer being agreed between the parent club and the buying club, however I don’t know if that would still apply when a “loan fee” has been paid as in our case with Remy, I’d “guess” in that scenario he couldn’t be recalled…hopefully 😕
richietoon(Quote)
@Whumpie
‘But it’s just one game.’ – It’s not just one game. The same rubbish happened against Swansea & Stoke.
You seem to be a Pardew fanboy for life. Even after the **** we saw last year, you’re still backing him.
How bad or boring will the football have to get before you realise Pardew is not going to take this club to the next level.
‘While I’m ranting, here’s the biggest claptrap of all: “We are the last big club in the premier league with a not very good manager.”’
Why do you not think we are a big premier league club?
We have the 7th/8th most expensive squad in the league.
We’re the 20th most valuable club in the world.
We have the 10th highest average attendances in europe.
We’ve spent more than a quarter of our time in the league in the top 4. Only Man Utd, Arsenal, Chelsea & Liverpool have done better than us.
We’re 6th in the all time Premier League, ahead of Everton, Tottenham, Man City.
Still, i guess in some people’s eyes we’re just a wee club in the North-East, right?
KK(Quote)
😯 jez there has been a lot of ranting and raving going on here, im just glad it was only a 1-0 defeat 😉
Look on the bright side the transfer window is opened
Big Dave(Quote)
I should add that we have the 3rd highest attendances in the most watched league in the world.
Big stadium or not, it still gets filled despite not winning a trophy in i don’t know how many years.
KK(Quote)
@bigdave
If we’d lost 5-0, i’d have no problem as long as the game was worth watching & our players played well.
To me, performances matter more than results & the performance was rubbish.
KK(Quote)
Kk I really dont see how a 5-0 loss would be worth watching or that the players played well
Big Dave(Quote)
We are 8th 1 point off what will more than likely be a european spot, Id have thought with the rock bottom expectations pre season we’d be happy with our lot just after the half way mark 😉 ❓
It was disappointing and Sholas inclusion a total waste of time, Debuchy was daft and Krul would have been better letting Vydra go round him. He was running wide on his weaker foot and defenders were getting back on the line but hey ho, ifs and buts.
The cup might have come at a good time, Give Cisse, Ben Arfa, Marveaux (remember him) and Saylor a full 90 to get up to speed again. Then hopefully our Director of fuckall will finally show us what hes being paid for and sign a couple of players who can make an impact and keep the season alive…
CC(Quote)
CC I tend to agree with you there 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
I don’t see a striker coming in at all, more likely to be a MF player if Cabs goes, even then I’m not sure we’d replace until the summer. To be honest I’d want to see a couple go and free up some wages ( Oba, Shola, Marv if he’s not in Pards plans) and a couple out on loan . We have guys sitting on the bench every week picking up wages and going to seed cause they aren’t getting played.
KIMTOON(Quote)
@ TROY STAVERS
is that the same source as the done deal for when you said chelsea had signed tiote i think it was 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
@BIGDAVE
We drew the Liverpool game 2-2 with 10 men.
If instead Liverpool had torn us apart & scored 5 fantastic goals despite our impressive performance, i’d still be happy.
Sometimes good performances are overshadowed by refereeing decisions (Stoke should know!) but yesterday there really wasn’t anything to be proud of.
KK(Quote)
Anybody think we’ll bring anyone in? Remy seems to have faded a bit and really doesn’t show much interest in staying with us past next summer. He wants a Champs League club which we aren’t. We seem to be quite a streaky club in fact and we’re in a losing streak right now unless we play brilliantly against Man City. It feels good to be back on the blog. A hello to everyone. I think a decent striker is in order with Shola in his thirties, Remy not interested in staying and only Gouffy and Cabaye to pot goals now and then otherwise. Surely we can afford one new player?
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@sharpy17
‘The policy is the right player at the right price – that means buy cheap sell high. A £100m player would not sign for 80k pw or less – it would never happen and I can’t understand why you would even suggest that?!.’
That’s exactly what i’ve said – Mike Ashley will pay the right price for the right player!
I’m not sure why that’s difficult to understand?
£1m, £10m or £100m, it’s all the same to Mike Ashley. He’ll pay whatever is necessary as long as it’s worth it.
If that means signing a £25m player that will almost guarantee us Champions League football, he’ll do it.
If on the other hand it means we’ll only finish 5th instead of 7th, it’s not really worth it is it?
KK(Quote)
@ KK
you would be happy if we lost 5 v 0 ? if thats the case you what you smoking over there bud 😆
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
I don’t think that has ever been the policy KK mate and he would never spend 100M on any player. Our maximum spend is around 10M pounds (Colo and Cisse) and he’s probably regretting the day he spent that much on Cisse as he’s worth nothing now. We buy low and sell high in theory although really only Carroll has been a huge profit so far. We’re a decent team with a thin squad and with Debuchy and Colo out it doesn’t bode well for the next few games. If we buy more than one player in January I’ll truly be in shock and Ash will always find a way to balance the books.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
@sharpy17
As for Pep – who knows?. It must be far easier to manage when you have the Barca or Bayern squad available to you. Could he do a better job than Pardew – more than likely. But could he win titles and trophies with this squad – I don’t think so.
I don’t know what Pep could do with this squad but i would guess that he would do a better job than Pardew. Therefore, there are better foreign managers than Pardew.
Are there any better foreign managers that would come here? I’ve given a list of realistic alternatives. I’m not sure why we should all be grateful that Pardew is here managing us. It’s really not like he is the best we could get.
I also don’t think it is far easier to manage when you have the Barca or Bayern squad available to you. Just ask David Moyes at title winning Man Utd.
KK(Quote)
@TAE
Only if we played them off the park!
Sometimes you win games despite deserving to lose (us vs Spurs).
Other times you lose games despite deserving to win (Bayern Munich vs Man Utd 1999)
For me, i always react based on the performance.
KK(Quote)
Moyes was left a very difficult job by Fergie. The midfield is in complete decay. They never replaced Scoles properly and van Persie is the wrong side of 30 now. The centre backs are aging and often injured as well. He has a huge rebuilding job on his hands. It’s no easy job at any club to be manager. Some have real skill of course. Pardew is average and we’ll be average with him which will suit Ashley to a T.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
<<<<<<<<<<<<< dos not call geting tonked 5 v 0 as playing them off the park,in fact ive never seen a game 5 v 0 were the team that scores nil has played the other side off the park its just laughable bud 😆
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
G2 ,nice to have you back, pc probs all sorted now?, I had a similar thing with mine a while back, had to get a pro tech guy in to get rid of a particular nasty, took him ages to shift it .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Good point TAE. I’m afraid KK is beating a dead horse mate.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Thanks Kimtoon. Yes I’ve spent a fortune recently on my desktop computer and my daughter’s laptap. Bloody mess. Now I have to have my backup hard drive done as well. It’s a never ending battle. The computer geeks are laughing all the way to the bank lass. 😥
GeordieTwo(Quote)
<<<<<<<<< would not want to watch us geting tonked 5 v 0 i know that lol
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
G2 , **** 😯 that’s bad mate, I only had my PC to worry about and that was bad enough.
KIMTOON(Quote)
KK
Why was the Stoke game lucky?
The referee only got one decision wrong – the handball that led to Remy’s first goal.
Both sending offs were correct – even if the first was “harsh”.
Both penalties were correct.
Am I missing anything?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@sharpy17
‘Ask Spurs if foreign managers are better. Redknapp to AVB didn’t work out very well did it?, did they go for another foreigner? – Tim Sherwood, unbeaten so far with the same group of players.’
Tim Sherwood will enjoy his honeymoon period before his bubble bursts.
Did AVB (the foreigner) do worse than Redknapp? Nope.
AVB win ratio = 55%
Redknapp = 49%
AVB points per game = 1.9 (72pts over a season)
Redknapp points per game = 1.73 (66pts over a season)
Ince’s dad thinks Tom Ince is better than £15m Zaha & is worth £25m so i’m not sure where the £4m figure comes from. £8m from Cardiff is the offer that was accepted so that’s a bit more realistic.
‘Yeah – because we are too quick to look abroad IMO. We should be looking to develop English players and managers.’ – nobody was looking abroad in the 70’s & 80’s.
English players & managers are given more time & opportunities than their foreign counterparts but they still lag behind. All clubs would love to have home grown players & managers – it would be cheaper than transferring players in.
The truth is that it’s a national problem & that they’re just not good enough.
‘Finally – if your list of foreign managers are so good – why aren’t any of them at Sunderland, WBA, Cardiff, Crystal Palace or any of the other clubs that changed their managers in the summer?.’
I would say we’re a bigger club than all of those clubs & i only gave a list of managers who would come here. I don’t really expect to see Fatih Terim excited to be at Crystal Palace TBH.
Anyway:
Sunderland – Gus Poyet = Foreign
WBA – still looking
Cardiff – Solskjær = Foreign
Crystal Palace – Tony Pulis = First season in the Premier League so they went woth someone that knows the league.
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GeordieTwo
I read a good article a few weeks ago on why we should have known Fergie was retiring the moment he signed van Persie. Would he signed an injury-prone 29 year old player if retirement wasn’t on the agenda at the end of the season?
He signed van Persie as he wanted to end on a high and new that RVP would give them the short-term goal power required.
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Yes being tonked isn’t going to help us in any way. But look out with Man City coming in. We may just get that tonking even without Aguero. We look fairly thin at the back now for at least the next 3 games. Is it Saylor to the rescue then or Mbiwa?
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Sounds absolutely spot on ST mate @148. It makes sense but it makes his replacement look hopeless. Moyes is probably cursing under his breath. Nowadays it isn’t easy to find brilliant replacements because Man City have already cleaned out a big part of the market and PSG, Real Madrid, Barca etc etc are in there with big money as well.
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