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Sharpy – In relative terms Moyes was a great success at Everton. As we are seeing now, he also did a far better job at Man Utd than many thought at the time. He has a better record than LVG and has had £250m less to spend.
McClaren failed miserably at derby where he had the biggest budget and best players.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – I’ll compare us to who the **** I like. I’m comparing the managers – Sam who has never been relegated from the PL and Garde who many on here were shouting for last season & in the summer. Neither have a decent squad of players and neither are miracle workers.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu – and in relative terms McClaren had great success at Boro.
Sharpy17(Quote)
See Benny’s 10th goal has Nice up at 3rd. Thauvin, Cabella etc Now Townsend?
georgio(Quote)
Sharpy17
January 25, 2016 at 14:37
Sharpy you are saying exactly that! You believe another manager couldn’t do any better so you are saying McClaren is doing a good job with what he has got!
Also every pundit I hear says one of the easiest things to do is to organise a back four and make them difficult to beat. Something Moyes did very welll at Everton.
Stuart79(Quote)
CC – you might be right, and that has been an error of McClarens I’ve mentioned plenty on here. I don’t know his thinking behind that. But the truth is we don’t know what Moyes would or wouldn’t have done.
But I think he’s getting a lot of credit. Man Utd are stuck with Fellani thanks to him – when you’d have thought he could have probably had Barkley (who was a relatively unknown player at the time).
Sharpy17(Quote)
Jesus, Sharpy anyone would think we have a complete bag of **** in the squad! Do you think we are only good enough to be 3rd bottom? Do you think Norwich, Bournemouth, Swansea, WBA, West Ham, Palace or Watford have better players than we have?
Stuart79(Quote)
I agree with Stuart: We have a squad on another level to those Sunderland, Villa, Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford, West brom, Palace probably even Leicester as daft as it sounds looking at the table.
We should be in the pack below the european spots, Im not big on sacking managers every season and i would certainly give McClaren the next few matches after the window closes but we cant let it slide much longer
CC(Quote)
I didn’t see you given Carver much praise last season for his obvious miracle working in keeping us up!
Stuart79(Quote)
cc – Agreed.
Sharpy – Who said anything about Rogers? He is one I have always said is overrated, his Swansea side was pish and immediately bettered by Laudrupp when he came in – and he was then flavour of the month, only to vanish. Fortunately for Rogers he had Suarez saving his bacon more often than not.
How many were Schteve’s? Probably none mate – nothing new there, how mnany did Pardew have in 4 years? Probably Elliot and Ba. This is the way we operate, despite the fact I disagree with it – this is what our coaches have to put up with. Presumably Pardew knew that before signing up and Schteve must definitely have known it – anyone who has any sense at all has known how NUFC have operated in recent years, only a muppet wouldn’t realise!
Sharpy – compared with Van Gaal Moyes looks a blinder 😆
Schteve’s also failed at Forest, Wolfsburg and in his return to Twente. What a great series of successes recently!
Newkie(Quote)
Stu – please don’t tell me what I am saying. At no point have I said Mc is doing a good job. What I’ve said is that any new manager would face the same problems, so don’t put words in my mouth.
You are convinced that Moyes can come in and change things round, I’m not. I think he’s a decent manager, but with the defenders & forwards we have, I don’t see anyone making a dramatic difference.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Oh and how is it that we can be compared to Sunderland and Villa? Sunderland spent about £10m, Villa spent about £40m but had to sell all their best players and we spent £70m and kept all of our better players… mmmm good comparison.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy – You have just said with the players we have you don’t see anyone making a dramatic difference. That is saying McClaren is doing a good job then with the players he has available. Which I think you’ll find is a pretty stupid think to be saying.
Stuart79(Quote)
People are getting overheated about this and the fat lady hasn’t even set her alarm clock yet. 😉
georgio(Quote)
She’s plugged it in, Georgio!
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy, I’m with you mate, who ever comes in does have the same defence and forward line. Yes they may well offer a better tactical approach which I believe is what Stu is saying? But, and here’s the thing, NO coach can stop players making dumbass mistakes at the back or fail to score a gilt edge chance, that really is down to the individual . Better Jabba to spend good money on a proven forward or if he’s feeling tight just loan one and shore up the pitiful defence and maybe get in a decent winger and see if that works.
kimtoon(Quote)
It’s still get Remy for me!
Stuart – she’s well known to be a wind up kinda girl.
georgio(Quote)
Basically Kim, I am saying that a better manager than McClaren and there are many would set us up differently and not just keep talking the same ****. How many times do we have to be unlucky? When does it start coming down to the tactics?
We have to be harder to beat and we have to commit more players forward when we attack becasue far too many times I see only Mitrovic in the box. This makes it harder for him because he has less time and more defenders around him and that probably contributes to his misses as much as anything.
McClaren keeps saying “We were tremendous” and the most ludicrous of all “We will be ok if we carry on playing like this”. Does he really believe that and it just all contributes to him being completely and utterly out of his depth. Moyes is better, he has proved he is better beyond all doubt. You don’t get the Man Utd job if you’re no good.
Stuart79(Quote)
If it’s all down to the players why on earth did anyone want Pardew and Carver out?
Newkie(Quote)
can’t stand Moyes tbh Stu.
kimtoon(Quote)
If there’s a lack of goals in a team a good manager would work on the defence, but no, McClaren is overseeing a staggeringly bad defence – in fact it’s 3rd worst in the league. Incredible really.
Stuart79(Quote)
You can’t stand him why? As a person?
Stuart79(Quote)
Georgio – I do think that is the priority, over sacking McClaren. I also see it as being a bit more realistic. We’ve spent a fortune in the last 6 months so a bit more for Remy wouldn’t be a shock – but I do think Charnley will stick with his man. He strikes me as someone who would much prefer to let others take the fall than make a tough decision himself.
The way we deal with Ryan Taylor and Jonas, and then Carver sums it up. Pretty disgraceful.
Newkie(Quote)
Cause Pards is a ***** and a gobshite who peddled in excuse bingo and was a bloody embarrassment calling other managers C***s and headbutting opo players, oh and the football was beyond mind numbingly boring and well, just ****.
kimtoon(Quote)
Newkie – Absolutely spot on! How many times did people on here call for Carver abd Pardew to be sacked because they all thought we should be doing better. But now they think we are doing about right for the squad we have, even though it’s better than the previous two had. Talk about contridictions…
Stuart79(Quote)
I’m glad you’re enjoying this kind of football more, Kim…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, Just think he is dour and has zero passion mate. Never really thought Everton played all that nice under him, though he kept them up and that’s something I suppose.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim, he did more than keep them up. He got them into the CL, got them regular top 7 and had to sell his best players all the time. That’s a hell of a job in my opinion. Regardless of his persona.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – we are bottom 3, why in the world would I ever suggest that McClaren is doing a good job?!.
But we have only scored 25 goals and conceded 41 – if you think that is solely down to McClaren and not down to the poor quality of the defence and forwards, then you’re mad mate.
There’s a saying ‘you can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear’.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu, I am enjoying watching us at least try to create chances now. You may not like SM, but he has more class than that muppet Percy ever had. Don’t worry, Steve will have the dignity to walk if it gets really bad, unlike Pards, mark my words.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy – You say nobody else could do any better. That means you think he’s doing a good job with what he has. It means you don’t think he can do anymore with what he has – hence he’s doing a good job.
Do you think Bournemouth, Watford or Palace have better defenders than us? If you don’t think McClaren should shoulder some responsibility for our **** poor defending then what do you think he should take responsibility for? We conceded less this time last year and Pardew/Carver had more or less the same defenders.
Stuart79(Quote)
Kim – Which job has McClaren ever walked from? He held on to his Derby job by his finger nails in order to get his pay off even after failing miserably.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, he’ll walk, wait and see. He won’t be able to handle the fan abuse .
kimtoon(Quote)
I am intrigued as to who Palace, Watford, Bournemouth and WBA have in their forward line and defence. Wonder how many would take Janmaat, Mbemba, Gini, Mitro or Perez. Reckon they’d all get them teams. Yet without them they score more goals and concede less than us. But I suppose it’s got absolutely nothing to do with their managers and everything to do with their players who just happen to be worse than ours…
Stuart79(Quote)
After all that’s what we’re good at, or that’s what all the other fans think. 😳 We’re getting as bad as Scum fans.
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim – Pardew was an aggressive nob, there you are spot on. As for the excuses and the football, I really haven’t seen much of a difference. Schteve’s excuses are pathetic and he’s started reeling them out much earlier in his tenure, not looking good.
Looked like we might have been heading somewhere a few months ago with regards to “better” football, but we’re still one of the lowest scorers and have one of the worst defences. I’d much rather see us win anwyay – but we rarely do that either.
Basing who we want as our manager on personality is pointless if you ask me. Look at all the scummy players we have had over the years – and who we love when they are wearing the shirt. I always say football and morality is a dodgy business, so much hypocrisy about what people say and what people are willing to accept in say, a local lad playing for England.
Newkie(Quote)
Is our squad the 3rd worst in the league? Even with us having the 8th highest wage bill – are some on here honestly saying we have the 3rd worst squad in the league?
Interesting in answers to that question…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, You should of looked at Palace forums when our beloved captain was linked to them, the thing was in meltdown mate, not one fan wanted him. Our fecking captain and little Palace didn’t want owt to do with him. 😳 Yeah we’re the envy of the league us. 🙄
kimtoon(Quote)
Who mentioned Colo?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu – like talking to a brick wall. At no point have I said what you are claiming but I really won’t be wasting anymore time with this one – not with you anyway.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Because you just can’t back down and accept what you are saying means you think he’s doing a decent job. What else does it mean when you say “Nobody else could do any better”? You’re either saying McClaren is the best or you’re saying he’s doing a decent job. Just admit you’ve made an error of judgment or used the wrongs words – whatever, but don’t try and hide from it by saying you can’t waste more time on it.
Stuart79(Quote)
But lets move on Sharpy. What about my question @ 487?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, you are comparing defence and forward lines of other teams to ours and I’m saying fact is Palace fans didn’t want our captain and first choice central defender near them.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu – show me the post where I said nobody can do a better job. Shown me the post where I’ve said Mc is doing a decent job. Shown me the post where I said Mc is the best … Then I’ll back down.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu, pot calling kettle black@491 😆
kimtoon(Quote)
Who made Colo captain? Steve came in and had the chance to shake things up – removing someone who you yourself have appointed previously can be difficult, but Schteve didn’t face that issue.
We all knew Colo was on the decline and didn’t seem to be embracing the captaincy. It was obvious for anyone who watched that slide in the second half of the season under Carver.
What did Schteve do? Talk about changing it, but didn’t. Mistake number one. Cowardly.
Newkie(Quote)
Kim – I mentioned only Mbemba who they would take. I didn’t mention Colo.
Sharpy17
January 25, 2016 at 14:52
Stu – please don’t tell me what I am saying. At no point have I said Mc is doing a good job. What I’ve said is that any new manager would face the same problems, so don’t put words in my mouth.
You are convinced that Moyes can come in and change things round, I’m not. I think he’s a decent manager, but with the defenders & forwards we have, I don’t see anyone making a dramatic difference.
“I don’t see anyone making a dramatic difference” That’s what you said, Sharpy.
Now for my question @487?
Stuart79(Quote)
Newkie – Not only did he not change it, he encouraged the board to offer Colo a new contract and then said “It is the best bit of business we have done this summer!!!!”
Stuart79(Quote)
http://www.nufcblog.com/2016/01/25/theres-a-hitch-with-possible-remy-loan-deal/
kimtoon(Quote)
I doubt that would come into, Kim if we were desperate and if we don’t get Berahino we will be desperate.
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, It may be that he was told he was getting a new contract and has had to tow the party line. After all Pards had to didn’t he, look at all the BS he came out with especially during transfer windows ” I’m happy with what I’ve got” being the most uttered. Was he ****.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu – well done, but none of that covers any of what I’ve asked.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Stu, can you put up a link where Mac said they should offer Colo a new contract cause I have never seen that like.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu@498 – exactly. Signalling it was a big signing he wanted, I’d forgot abgout that tbh.
Newkie(Quote)
Now the Telegraph are reporting we are going to make another move for Lazacette! Sometimes you wonder if this is all just smoke and mirrors and we have no real intention of buying anybody. I am not sure he could be more clear about not wanting to leave and only going to a CL club…
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, So you now saying Mbemba our only decent defender that other clubs would want.? If so then it kind of backs up what Sharpy and I have said all along that Steve doesn’t have the tools at the back much like Pards and Carver didn’t.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sharpy – Them are your words, mate. Pretty clear.
But lets move on please. My question @487 any chance you can answer it?
Stuart79(Quote)
Actually Pards had Saylor and Colo which was an ok pairing for quite a while, ofcourse Colo was younger then like.
kimtoon(Quote)
SHARPY17
January 25, 2016 at 16:12
Stu – show me the post where I said nobody can do a better job. Shown me the post where I’ve said Mc is doing a decent job. Shown me the post where I said Mc is the best … Then I’ll back down.
Those are also my words. So show me where I’ve said the above – that you have claimed I’ve said, and just to give you a clue, what you posted doesn’t cover it.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – Schteve now has Taylor again, so what’s the difference? So he may only be fit for abotu 10 matches, that sums up his entire career with us.
Newkie(Quote)
Kim – Please follow the conversations closer. I said that Mbemba would get in the teams I mentioned. I have never said all our defenders are great and would get in all other teams. The point I am trying to make to you is that we have players that would get in other teams that are far higher than us. Not just defence but midfield and attack.
Stuart79(Quote)
Blimey, Sharpy. Go back to the beginning and you will see from my post that i actually said “You didn’t say that exactly” but by saying nobody could do any better you are more or less saying McClaren is doing a good job. He must be if nobody else could do any better or you are saying he is the best? Which one is it?
Stuart79(Quote)
Stu, Ok. So are you now admitting we have a ***** defence bar Mbemba and if so what on earth makes you think ANY coach could succeed with them.
Newks, He has not had Taylor since he arrived has he? And when we had our good season under pards Taylor and a younger Colo worked well for much of that season.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu, outside of Cisse which of our forwards would line up for other teams? Perez maybe. Mitro has done nothing of note yet and don’t even think about saying Rivi.
kimtoon(Quote)
Stu – show me where I said nobody can do any better!! – I said I don’t believe anyone would make a dramatic difference. You’ve interpreted that as nobody can do better – but I’ve never said that. I’ve never actually said a thing McClaren is doing a great job or that I thing he’s the best.
I asked at least 3 times for you to stop putting words in my mouth, or miss quoting me, and I’ve given you ample opportunity to show me where I’ve said what you are claiming – and you haven’t.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kim – no but he does now, so I’m just pointing out by your argument we should expect our defence to improve? They worked ok for about half of that season – Williamson still played in over half the league matches althouh nobody ever wanted to give him credit.
Newkie(Quote)
Kim – I haven’t said we have a good defence and I haven’t said we have a **** defence. I have said we have better players than other clubs that are above us yet we seem to be ****. Why is that? To be honest I imagine Janmaat and Mbemba would get in them clubs I mentioned first team. That’s half a defence! As for Gini, he would get in all their teams, as would Sissoko and Shelvey. Perez and mitro would most likley make it too. who are the strikers at WBA (Berahino doesn’t play), Bournemouth, Palace and Norwich? Would any of them get in our side?
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy17
January 25, 2016 at 16:45
And this is anout the 4th time I am asking you to answer my question at 487?
Stuart79(Quote)
Not one single person has answered my question @487. Why is this?
Stuart79(Quote)
Observation…. We are all agree a better manager would do a better job than McClaren.
We all agree the squad is disjointed and sub standard in several areas.
Ideally we would have a new manager and a new squad.
In reality we know MA won’t sack the board and we know the board won’t sack McC.
So in conclusion we need the board to give McClaren a better squad to work with.
The question is, if he is given a good striker , defender and possible winger this January – will he keep us up? I believe he will because I have seen enough in our style of play to believe with the right personnel bought in, his system would get results.
No point arguing about getting rid of him, because the board won’t do that. So all the above arguing is a bit pointless.
We just the board to invest now, in the right players in the right positions. If they don’t, we should direct our ire at the board and MA.
Shamrock(Quote)
Stu – It won’t be getting answered or even considered by me mate. Did feel the need to.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Shamrock, exactly mate.
kimtoon(Quote)
Sham – But Sharpy doesn’t think anybody would make “a dramatic difference” which means negligable difference. So your synopsis isn’t quite correct.
Stuart79(Quote)
Sharpy17
January 25, 2016 at 16:54
Stu – It won’t be getting answered or even considered by me mate. Did feel the need to.
That’s because it will make your argument look hideously stupid.
Stuart79(Quote)
Jose Mourinho has kept going to successful squads with huge money players and won stuff. Maybe he would like to really prove himself with a real **** team and follow in wor Bobby’s footsteps… If he can do something with a **** team like us then he really would be the special one… .?? Now that would be a challenge for him… 😯 😆
Ok, so it’s a crazy idea… Hey ho… 😳 😳
I can dream…
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