Each person who dislikes the pair running our club at the moment has their own reason for it. For some the relationship between fan and board is beyond repair and the wound will only start to heal when the pair of them leave Newcastle for good.
The fans are split, maybe not 50-50, but there is a definite chasm between two sets of fans. The common ground is that they all want what is best for NUFC although the sticking point seems to be how to go about it and who they would like to implement it.
This division between fans is not great to be honest, but it’s something that will go on and on until everyone is happy. Unfortunately that very rarely happens in life, and at Newcastle United it’s even more of a rarity. In fact the only two times in my lifetime the fans, board and team have been pulling on the same direction was under Keegan’s first spell and then again briefly under Sir Bobby, although even what he achieved wasn’t good enough for some and he became a victim of a minority of boo-boys.
I’m digressing now so I’ll get back on point….. The rift between fan and board is beyond repair for some, but it doesn’t mean that things can’t be made that little bit easier. To do that though you need to pinpoint the main part of the problem and eradicate it. For that problem is Derek Llambias.
Now let me clarify before I get some smartarse legal eagle on my case. By eradicate Derek Lambias I don’t mean kill, murder, injure or anything like that. I purely mean get him out of his comfy MD chair at St James’ Park and get him back to doing whatever it is he does best. If I was to guess at what he does best I’d say it would be looking sleazy, acting sleazy and generally being a sleaze.
I can’t stand him. I think he is an odious horrible man with a complex ego and an arrogant persona. In the world of football he’d should fit in well, but for some reason he just doesn’t.
Now I know a lot of people despise Ashley for all he has done and his past actions and so on, but at least he has the ability to put things right. Llambias doesn’t. Can somebody please tell me what he does other than repeatedly put his foot in it?
Now whilst the rift may be too big for some, I personally believe that by replacing Llambias with someone better would give a welcome boost to many fans. Think about it. People liked Chris Mort, and still do, yet he was up to the same old shady stuff that Dekka is. He was just infinitely more likeable in the process of doing so!
Llambias is the one who is responsible for the day-to-day running of the club. He makes the decisions and sorts the contracts. Naturally he’ll be under guidance from above, but you can bet that it’s him who is making these contract offers that are getting turned down.
That is why I think Llambias is the biggest part of the problem. Ultimately the decision is at the top as Ashley hired him, but to try and make amends he should also fire him and get someone in who can engage with fans and not be a general buffoon. It’ll never happen though as Llambias is somehow trusted by Ashley.
Stiil, it was nice to get that off my chest 😉
So what’s the point of the article? Is it likely to achieve anything other than add fuel to the embers of discontent?
Face it, fans’ anger’s only gonna make them dig in.
This window’s an ópportunity for them to help build bridges with the fans so i’d suggest best have not posted the article.
However, i do agree that llambias comes across as the least personable of the two. But, that’ll never change so teeth gritting and tongue biting’s called for.
lesh(Quote)
Ashley is certainly the BIGGEST, mind you llambias has got a bit of a belly aswell
…. coat..
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
I dunno lesh. I mean if this is to be a summer of the owner clawing back some credit then I think the article is highly topical as there is another idea contained within whereby Ashley can claw back that bit more credit 😉
Plus this was mentioned the other day and it seemed to engage a fair few people. Sorry if its not to your taste. Perhaps you could contact me in the mornings to suggest topics that you would like to talk about? 🙂
toonsy(Quote)
The biggest problem is Ashley, he hired Llamsarse, he let’s him continually put his foot in it. Delboy is an idiot and can’t help it, Ashley is a **** but not an idiot yet he still employs him, the “problem” of DL can only be solved by Ashley and he is therefore responsible for and is the cause the “problem”
richietoon(Quote)
I agree toonsy, it is a opportunity for ashley to redeem himself but i’m to be cònvinced that Llambàsting his md, whom he appointed is gonna cònvince him to park llambias. He (llambias) ís ashley’s public face and there’s no way he’ll want to be seen as having appointed a pup!
lesh(Quote)
Richie I understand and sort of agree with what your saying, But maybe Fatman doesn’t see all the bad side’s of Lambsarse that we do, maybe MA just thinks that we are just complaining about everything and is to close to Lamb to see that there is a problem with him.
I have always said that MA would be alot better off if he got someone in to replace Lamb as I believe that Lamb and the way he goes about things is the biggest problem at the club.
But as Rich says its MA that employs him
Big Dave(Quote)
I don’t think there’s a problem with either of them to be honest.
What are they doing wrong?
Some fans have got to accept that we can’t do a Man City and we can’t compete with the brand that’s known as Man Utd .
What we are doing though is, moving forward at a nice steady pace and if we continue to do so, we can expect to be up there with those teams, at least fighting on the same front.
Now that’s down to Ashley and co and everyone connected to the club.
If the beef with them is about the past, then you will always have a beef with them no matter what they do.
I’m well happy with the way things are going and i’m not stupid enough to be sitting here hanging onto every piece of bad press or some certain fans that want to crucify them, just because they’re fair game.
If your beef is because they don’t come out and publicly tell you that you getting this player and that player, then there’s nothing i can say, other than, how many chairmen/owners actively come out and speak of transfers?
Answer: Very few if at all, it’s left to those they put in charge I.E, Managers and Coaches.
A lot of the stuff that goes tits up at Newcastle in relation to transfers breaking down, it’s always Ashley and co that get it in the neck.
The thing is though, no one knows what goes on behind the scenes and no one knows what really happens when transfers break down, it’s all guesswork but it’s **** easy blaming the man who has always took the brunt and that’s Ashley.
Some people can see the good he’s doing for this club and many can’t simply because they would rather sit with blinkered vision.
Ashley or Llambias can’t win with some people because , if we signed 10 players next week, all internationals for £100 million, you can guarantee certain fans would shout ” yea but he’s only done that to sell them on for profit”, and if he buys cheap players like Tiote quality, he will be branded a skin flint who is taking chances on unknown players that he can’t lose on money wise.
What the **** does the man have to do to get even an ounce of recognition of some fans?
This is one thing that’s always pissed me off to be fair because if it wasn’t for him, mark my words, we would be in one hell of a mess right now .
The simple answer is, there’s nothing wrong with Ashley and Llambias that isn’t wrong with anyone else in planet football worldwide. 😐
wolfie(Quote)
I agree, it’s more Llambias than Ashley but personally I don’t mind either of them 😀
dan4toon(Quote)
Cabaye confirmed by club?
Chris_Conway Chris Conway
by MsiDouglas
@MsiDouglas – Cabaye 100% confirmed. As nufcTV subscriber & app user, they’ve already uploaded a blank vid titled “Cabaye first interview”.
4 minutes ago
Anyone with NUFC TV that can verify this?
3hourswasted(Quote)
bring back chris mort! 😉
floydy(Quote)
i don’t think this is a constructive article at this point in time.
in fact, given all the events (and I mean ALL) of the last two seasons, I don’t think we should have a problem with either of them.
HWTL
pjb47(Quote)
To be fair, I dont feel I can say a bad word about Ashley, he kept this club we all love alive by pumping millions into it when we were relegated.
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
Toonsy, just been looking at Barton’s twitter account, did you know he is following the blog twitter. Probs a silly question as you see all the stuff anyway, but good to see. Just have to get him on here at some point or get an interview
Simon(Quote)
Dave….but we see it because it makes the press so I’m 100% sure that Ashley does to, but it would appear he stays loyal to his “mates” which is usually aa admirable thing but in such a high profile job it’s madness imo.
richietoon(Quote)
3hourswasted;
http://yfrog.com/h8x0bpvj 😉
dan4toon(Quote)
Batty is a bigger problem than both IMO 😉
jay jay(Quote)
The Cabaye link that 3hourswasted mentioned
http://t.co/yd4Kwei
Simon(Quote)
I typed a long carry on over this Ashley thing and it says it’s waiting to be moderated, does that mean it won’t be seen until it’s been looked at?
wolfie(Quote)
Wolfie, I knew wede meet again 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
Wolfie, it’s because you said a naughty word 😉
dan4toon(Quote)
Si – its easy to sit on the sidelines and heckle but I agree with Lesh.
Maybe the article could have been slanted from a positive view rather than only a negative outcome?
Just my two penneth 🙂
Stardust(Quote)
Spencer lol it was inevitable hahahaha
wolfie(Quote)
I agree with jay 😆
richietoon(Quote)
Ahh right dan, yea i did say 3 naughty word, not bad though 😀
wolfie(Quote)
it was, but toonsy isnt as much of a kunt as them other ones, still hes a kunt 😆 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
Wolfie…if it’s as long as your usual posts it may take a day or two to read through 😉 😆
richietoon(Quote)
Nahhh Richie , this one’s not so long, i mean you can easily read it in say…ermmm…3 or 4 2 hour sittings hahahaha
wolfie(Quote)
This article is way below the standard. None of us see anything but the final result of the work of the front office and it is impossible to judge the acts because NUFC does not announce their business strategy to a blog, let alone anyone they might be competing with. For all we know DL could be holding the whole operation together, or holding his position by some devious scheme.
In my mind there is no question that Ashley loves his club and, in his own way, getting the finances right and moving forward to a better product on the pitch.
Every club makes mistakes, and NUFC under Ashley has made some big ones-and has acknowledged many of them. But what you & I consider a blunder may not be in light of what happens behind the closed dorrs at HQ.
BeeGuy(Quote)
Spencer, Toonsy is normal and knows the score and can give and take the banter without resorting to the old that’s it your banned carry on like them thick gits on the FM board lol
wolfie(Quote)
aye wolfie, i love ya banter, them pictures that more or less got you banned had me in stiches. 😆
Mind you, I dont no how im still on there 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
cracking post Beeguy.
wolfie(Quote)
Spencer , the reason your still on there is because your not me hahahahaha
wolfie(Quote)
Nice post BeeGuy
Stardust(Quote)
😆
Everyone hates me on it more or less, just the few lads who dont make it worth going on 😆
And wolf, im not quite as bad as you 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
I’ve long said Llambias is the issue.
Ashley has publicly said he just says yes or no to other people’s idea and admits he knows nothing near enough to run the club himself.
When we had Chris Mort, people were fairly happy. When we got Derek Llambias, people have raged ever since.
Mike Ashley doesn’t just randomly turn bad, the person who gives the ideas for him to say yes and no to did.
funkyjesus(Quote)
in fact, given all the events (and I mean ALL) of the last two seasons, I don’t think we should have a problem with either of them.
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Pretty much how I see it. They’ve done well since relegation- kept the club afloat without a fire sale, some good smart buys (Ben Arfa, Tiote, etc.) extended contracts of some youngsters plus S Taylor, maximized fee for Carroll, didn’t sell anyone else of consequence, improvements to the training facilities, and beginning to get the finances sorted. when you lok around the league we realy don’t have a ton to complain about.
That being said, they are terrible at PR and llambiase simply doesn’t come off as a likeable character.
They have a real chance to change that with investment this window (looks promising) and not selling anyone of consequence. Even if enrique leaves i don’t think most will blame the club. It’s really about keeping everyone else (Barton, Jonas, Nolan).
MDS(Quote)
Spencer, you enjoy a bit of wacky carry on and to be honest there’s not too many on that board that actually enjoy proper funny crack, they are more interested in being serious with the odd joke hoyed in that they think is funny.
If i can’t be myself on a message-board then there’s not point posting on it really.
Too many people up each others bums for my liking mate, but then again i still get to post, nod nod wink wink.
Obviously i can’t stick any more drawings up and stuff cos i’d be sussed in a crack lol
wolfie(Quote)
I must admit I dont get the sense of injustice some fans have towards Ashley. Im not tryin to start an arguement over something that neither side would win. I was very angry on the immediate aftermath when Keegan quit. But when i stood back and actually thought about it , and everything since , I dont think Ashley has done much wrong.
As for Llambias i have no idea if he is doing a good job or not. From what i gather he is in charge of decreasing expendutire and increasing revenue which by all accounts he is doing a decent job at it.But the majority of the time when he speaks in the media he comes across as an idiot. Kinda cancels each other out
Johno Toon(Quote)
wolfe you get sussed in a crack anyway, I think a mojority of poor fellas have been banned for no reason aswell 😆
And I am gunna carry one, if I get banned so what? 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
How on earth can we determine who is the “best or even worst! They come as a team and yes while I feel that at this moment the current regime are as of yet unproven to a certain extent i have yet to see a failing in the mentioned 5year – year 1 promotion – ACHIEVED! year 2 anything above 18th – ACHIEVED we are just starting out year 3 and people still whinge on that Ashley is out to ruin this club a FACT we are one of only 3 premier league clubs to be debt free (to banks) FACT The club is the cleanest it’s been for years!! The transfer policy appears to be exceptional and we are clearly signing quality – tiote hba gosling – yes 2 maybe unproven but they are quality non the less!! Think everyone should give both Ashley and llambias a chance – Ashley won’t want to lose all his money he can’t do that coz of the investments made and llambias isn’t going to sabotage ashley!!
captain_floppy(Quote)
Has cabaye been confirmed?
jay jay(Quote)
Good post Johno and your right in what you say.
Ashley made some mistakes, we all know that but i can tell you honestly here and now, Keegan went down in my estimation when he spat his dummy out (again).
Whatever reasons he had, as in Wise going behind his back or Ashley doing this that and the other, he still bailed out immediately without even attempting to actually work with the players he had at the time.
He came back and was out of his depth “in my opinion” but that’s where Ashley’s big problem lies to this day. The Messiah walked out because of him.
If most fans are honest, they will admit that Ashley became public enemy number one because of Keegan’s departure.
In simple terms: Can you imagine what would have happened had the club appointed someone like Alan Pardew instead of Keegan and Alan Pardew walked out citing the same reasons as Keegan did.
What would the fans reactions have been to that?
My guess is, ahh Pardew is a whining git, good riddance and let’s get a big name Manager in. I bet Ashley wouldn’t have been given a second thought.
wolfie(Quote)
Cabaye confirmation from official site?:
http://yfrog.com/h8x0bpvj
funkyjesus(Quote)
Could be worse you know. We could have had a team of Peter Ridsdale and that foreign guy at Portsmouth.
As it stands we are in the premier league again and the finances look to be sorting themselves out. When FFS left it was a sinking ship and I think Ashley rather unfairly took the entire blame for relegation. He contributed to it but it was mainly the players of Fat Sam/ Souness / FFS ect that took us down.
DJG(Quote)
Spencer, the only reason i get sussed is because i openly tease them lol
I’ve been posting on there for ages ,since January lol
I’ve got 8 names that i use that none has sussed but in time i’ll reveal myself hahahahaha
wolfie(Quote)
really? hahaha, its not that long since davey got banned? I think that Spanish_toon might be you 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
Wolfie your dead right about who the fans would be behind if you replaced pardew with keegan in the example you gave! I get the feeling Keegan could left under any circumstances and the result would of been the same.
Johno Toon(Quote)
DJG, i think Ashley can only take the blame on the Manager(s) he appointed to try and rescue a season gone bad but other than that,i think he tried like mad to avoid relegation.
Ashley’s problem was allowing his managers at the time to bring in Mercenaries or dross coupled with untested foreign players that actually walked into a nightmare scenario and p[layed without confidence.
wolfie(Quote)
Spencer, Spanish toon isn’t me, i’d tell you straight if it was lol
wolfie(Quote)
Plus it’s a well and good being armchair critics and certain people, (not mentioning any names 😉 ) verbally abusing everyone from the manager to the chairman to the owner. If I was the chairman or the manager I bet I would make some mistakes and sign some duds aswell, hindsight is a wonderful thing. At least we’re back in the premier league and in a position to be optimistic (if you want to be)
DJG(Quote)
Spencer, there’s been about 10 lads banned off there who had nothing whatsoever to do with me lol
I feel bad for them but in no way am i taking any blame for them getting banned.
That’s down to the mods getting into a frenzy believing every new poster happens to be me.
If they hadn’t banned me in the first place for what can only be described as trivialities, then they wouldn’t have to be so paranoid.
But there you go lol
wolfie(Quote)
DJG @ 49 you optimistic ? 😆 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Batty are you about ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
I am optimistic Big Dave. I like the direction the club is going and the transfer system of replacing the high paid average players with good young talented players and then, only when they show they are worth it offer them big money (Tiote)
The club is being run like a business with a direction for growth and improvement. There is still a lot of negativity at the moment in the press about certain contracts ect but I think that will fade when we sign more Carr specials and people realise what is happening.
DJG(Quote)
Here’s one for you – isn’t Carrs role almost the same as the Jeff Veterre role?
Just Ashley / Llambias and Charnley negotiate the deals.
Pardew saya I want to play this way and Carr says here you go.
Seems to me the model Ashley wanted is in, and it seems like a cracker.
When you stand back – the way we are operating now is first rate. (Or appears to be)
Also I have the feeling they might be seizing an early advantage in their 5 year plan with the Carroll silly money. (Never before has anyone stolen off scousers lol)
Stardust(Quote)
DJG I have seen you being very negative at times 😉
Big Dave(Quote)
wolfie, my view on it, is half of the stuff posted on the OT is stuff not sutible for childran so why did only you get banned?
and ive noticed them going red card mad 😆
SpencerTheToon(Quote)
Stardy thats because the scousers dont normally have anything worth stealing, unless its stolen property 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Stardust would you agree the current system with Carr is better than any under FFS? i.e throw money at a random ‘name’ and hope for the best.
DJG(Quote)
thought Cabaye was white?
crappy_punk(Quote)
😆
Stardust(Quote)
He is 🙂
jay jay(Quote)
He is c_p, that’s not him in the pic(strange I know)
richietoon(Quote)
Well im gonna watch the france game again. This time it’s a friendly so better chance of Cabaye, N’Zog and Gamerio getting on. 🙂
DJG(Quote)
DJG – I hate FFS more than any man in NUFCs history. He removed our past present and future into his and his families grubby little pockets – and NUFC was left to tick like a timebomb.
I hate him now and I hated him at the time he was “supposedly” buying us players (signing chittys!)
I have always wholeheartedly (even with Wise) agreed with the fundamentals, the personnel are the key to it working, that was wrong first time but it looks bang on this time!
Stardust(Quote)
Good post Stardust.
wolfie(Quote)
Both Cabaye and Gameiro start and N’Zogbia is on the bench.
funkyjesus(Quote)
Are the French playing tonight?
If so has anyone got a link please ❓ 🙂
TonyGreenSupreme(Quote)
Cheers stardy and floydy and anyone else calling for mort, let’s not forget that some of his utterings were well, shall we say a little remote from the reality.
Might be time for another positive article?
lesh(Quote)
It’s live on ESPN but not sure about links.
The commentators are saying Gameiro is strongly linked with Newcastle but have not once mentioned that Cabaye is linked with Newcastle, despite the fact he and Lille have said he is joining us.
Odd.
funkyjesus(Quote)
Stardy @ 64 I thought FFS was No2 on your hate list behind your old mate 😆
As for Mort dont forget he was behind a lot of lies about KK being incharge of transfers etc. so he isn’t as clean cut as a lot tend to believe but then he wasn’t anywhere near as bad as that barsteward Lambsarse 👿
Big Dave(Quote)
Cheers FJ 😉
TonyGreenSupreme(Quote)
Blaise Matuidi and that Yann M’Vila are also playing for France.
Our entire transfer target list outside Gervinho and Neil Taylor are playing in this game, lol.
funkyjesus(Quote)
Big Dave Keegan was incharge of transfers, just not deals for commerical reasons.
Johno Toon(Quote)
Cabaye looks a good player, box – to box, good feet and passing, would easily replace Barton in the centre. Gamerio puts the effort in, doesn’t really hold it up, needs to chase through balls or play off a target man.
DJG(Quote)