Newcastle succumbed to defeat yesterday losing 1-0 to West Ham United at St James’ Park, with old boy Kevin Nolan on hand to do the damage.
A defeat is always hard to take, especially at home, but when you suffer defeat in the manner we did then questions have to be asked.
A lack of urgency, composure, goal threat and many other things combined ensured yet another abject display was on offer, with West ham seldom looking like losing the lead once Nolan had put the away side into a 37th minute lead. Something needs to change and it needs to change sooner rather than later.
In a first half devoid of any real goal threat the best Newcastle could muster was a shot from Papiss Cisse which went well wide. Hatem Ben Arfa tried to create something with the ball at is his feet but alas everything he tried he failed. At least he was trying though…
It feels odd writing this but it wasn’t until Kevin Nolan was in the right place at the right time to turn a wayward shot into the back of Tim Krul’s net to give the away side the lead eight minutes before half time.
In truth you would be hard pushed to deny West Ham didn’t deserve to be in front.
Half-time: Newcastle 0-1 West Ham
I’d like to say the second half improved for Newcastle, but it didn’t. Demba Ba thought he had equalised but the officials judged that his header hadn’t crossed the line and that Jussi Jaaskelainen had done enough to deny Demba against his former club.
Mike Williamson almost bundled the ball over the line before Hatem Ben Arfa went close direct from a corner, but there really wasn’t a lot to shout about from a black and white perspective. Indeed Andy Carrol could have wrapped up the point for West Ham but for a smart save from Tim Krul, who nearly connected with a header at the other end on a last ditch foray up front.
It wasn’t to be though and that was that.
Full-time: Newcastle 0-1 West Ham
So where do we start? The players need to take some of the blame for being woeful again. The only player I’d give any real credit to is Davide Santon who did alright. Ben Arfa tried also so I’ll give him that. The rest need to sort themselves out and get going again before this season drifts into obscurity.
Alan Pardew also needs to take some of the blame. He is paid to keep players happy, it’s part of his job, but he is mainly paid to get results and whether that means dropping out of form players or playing players in positions they perhaps would prefer not to be played in the he has to make the call. He can’t keep trying 4-4-2 hoping it clicks, he needs to be proactive in trying to make things click. In fairness he didn’t try the tired excuse after Europe post match, which is what I thought he’d try…
Of course he hasn’t been helped by chubby and his not-so-able sidekick Derek, who seem to believe that one first team player per position is enough leaving Pardew with little or no options when it comes to trying to drop players or shuffle the pack.
Next up, Swansea… A must win.
Howay the lads!
Newcastle: Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Steven Taylor, Mike Williamson, Davide Santon, Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez, Shane Ferguson, Papiss Cisse, Demba Ba
Subs: Rob Elliot, Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana, Romain Amalfitano, Sylvain Marveux, Gabriel Obertan, Shola Ameobi
West Ham: Jussi Jaaskelainen, Joey O’Brien, Winston Reid, James Tomkins, George McCartney, Mark Noble, Mohamed Diame, Kevin Nolan, Matt Jarvis, Yossi Benayoun, Andy Carroll
Subs: Raphael Speigel, Carton Cole, Modibo Maiga, James Collins, Guy Demel, Gary O’Neil, Robert Hall
Attendance: 51,855
You think we have him for 2 and a half more years?! 😯
I would snatch your hands off if offered that, but think he will be gone long before and that’s regardless of Arsenal coming in for him or not.
The Kid(Quote)
Sharpy
Swansea will be tough. We have to watch out for Michu’s goal threat. His movement in and around the box is like a striker.
He isn’t even their main threat either. Their best player this season has been Pablo Hernandez, who has easily been one of the best midfielders this season. For some reason he isn’t getting much attention from the press, which is allowing him to continue flying under the radar.
Let’s see if Pardew has been paying attention… 😐
The Kid(Quote)
The Kid – don’t get me wrong mate, I’m not calling them **** or dismissing the players they have. But I don’t believe they are as strong as last season. Definately beatable.
Sharpy17(Quote)
The Kid-No I mean he’s actually only contracted for two years after this season 😆 I think we’ll have him for this season, but will the club let the contract run for much longer after that? Doubt they’d let it go under a year so that leaves us with like, a year or year and a half 😕
Newkie(Quote)
At least Swansea will come at us thisyear…should make it an entertaining game…I’ll be glad to have Tiote back though.
Newkie(Quote)
What i dont like in the games this Season and even last season, is that we always see the same errors, the same stupid long ball in the box.
Do you think is so difficult for Pardew to say to Simpson stop your **** when you have the ball give him in the feet of an other player and stop your ****. or you try to made a good cross but i hate this ball for no one.
We almost dont have midfield in the last game. Cabaye and Anita were just like ghosts. After its easy to criticize Benny, I promise you in this guy can play in a free role with a good striker who understands the game…(like a benzema), he will be one of the best premier league player.
Dont be surprise if Benny gives the ball to anyone, if the guy remarks that all the time he pass the ball to Cabaye or Simpson, the ball will be lost, better to lose the ball himself.
We must no cry if Benny decides to leave the club, I cannot see how a player like that can take pleasure with our style of play in the last games. He just looking to the ball touching one good ball every half time, defending all the time.
HBA39(Quote)
Ryan Taylor had the third most shots at goal last year, that can’t be right can it 😯
Newkie(Quote)
@TheKid
He’s undoubtedly our most talented player, and will most likely move on to one of the worlds top clubs at some point. But that video isn’t the best representation of that, he doesn’t create a single chance, in fact the best pass of the whole video is actually by Ba at 4 minutes.
Agree whole heartedly with your points on Cabaye and a little let down that those who question Cabaye haven’t shared their thoughts on some very valid reasoning.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
The Kid/Newkie – if you’re talking ambition then WE should absolutely be in a race for Walcott!!
wages wise would probs be a problem, but he is exactly the pacey CF we need at the Toon. He’s an outstanding player and I really don’t understand Arsenal at all.
I know we have been mentioned in the Tom Ince transfer and he is a good player, but I also like Matt Phillips from Blackpool and also Redmond from Birmingham.
Personally, I’d use the money that we had for LDJ to land Walcott. That would be one hell of a trophy signing that we don’t make anymore 😥
Debuchy, Douglas, Sissoko and Ince would be one hell of a window for me like…. seriously doubt it though
Sharpy17(Quote)
Newkie
Ahh, I see.
Sharpy
You’re probably right. Right now I am just nervous of facing anyone. We look truly awful.
The Kid(Quote)
Sharpy
Walcott has already turned down Arsenal’s offer of 75k per week 😯
Solano
You’re probably right, he didn’t create much, but I will tell you something else about that video – in almost every clip he is forced to go and retrieve the ball from deep due to the sheer cluelessness behind him!
As for my points about Cabaye, I’m sure tomorrow they will return and pick holes in what is clear as day in my opinion. I mean seriously, comparing Kevin Nolan with Cabaye demonstrates a lack of football understanding in my opinion, but that’s just my opinion.
The Kid(Quote)
Sharpy-We couldn’t afford Walcott, and I wouldn’t want him for the money we’d have to fork out even if he would come. I’d like a hungry, young and fast player like him, but just not him 😆
Question is, where do we get one. I seriously hope Carr has been busy 😕
Newkie(Quote)
HE KID
November 12, 2012 at 23:40
I mean seriously, comparing Kevin Nolan with Cabaye demonstrates a lack of football understanding in my opinion
Pft no. Nolan has scored more than both Ben Arfa and Cabaye, don’t you know that makes him better than those two players together?
😆
Newkie(Quote)
The most annoying thing is we will probably lose Benny soon if we dont get things sorted out in January.
Thats a shame, as he genuinely wants to be here and to be part of a sucessful winning NUFC team.
But it must drive the lad potty with the way things are right now, and who could blame him for taking a move to a club like Arsenal.
And to be honest, they could really use him and make the most of his assetts.
He’s going no where with us unless we see some heavy investment.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
The Kid – I understand that mate, my biggest problem isn’t the formation or the players at the moment it’s the **** poor passing and crosses/set pieces. Teams like Swansea proved last year that you don’t have to have superstars to control a game. You get 11 players who can pass a ball well – move it round quickly coz they know where their team mate is – that’s where we need to be.
Sharpy17(Quote)
BB-To be fair, whilst I know he likes playing here, I also know he sees himself above us (at some point) virtually regardless of what we did, bar winning/challenging for the PL title. Can’t blame him for leaving if we’re this ****, but equally can’t blame him for leaving even if we challenge for CL every year, I think he could play for Rmadrid personally.
Newkie(Quote)
I’d actually like to see Ba take our corners next week…I love Cabaye, but his corners are too poor for me…Doesn’t Ba take them from Senegal? Good enough for me 😕
I’d like us to just do short ones constantly, but that’ll get pretty predictable, and we’re hardly Barcelona 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie
You’re joking, but that’s the simplicity of some peoples’ views. It’s tragic.
Sharpy
Spot on with your Swansea example.
The Kid(Quote)
Cabaye has actually shown he can take great free kicks and corners, but not consistently this season. He is deffo not on top form, but I think its a mental thing. I just dont think he is happy this season, and it is affecting his performance.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Newkie/The Kid –
(Newkie) – he’s on a free contract at the end of this season, so we could probably get him for £10-12m – but as The Kid pointed out – his wage demands would be nuts.
I do think he’s hungry though and would probs stay at Arsenal if they player him more and thru the middle – **** that sounded familiar didn’t it?!
Newkie – I’m sure he has, I’m sure he was in the summer!!.
I still fear that the board may look at our squad and say trim afew before we buy though. On paper we look to have plenty of cover. The will likely say get rid of the ones you don’t want first to keep the cost down.
Sharpy17(Quote)
@The Kid
True he does come deep a fair amount in the video.
I still think Tiote needs to go, having a “purple” unavailable for extended periods of time really does us no favours. I can imagine we would have seen Cabaye a lot further up with Anita sitting deeper if Tiote was playing. Forget suspensions, he’s too injury prone and always takes a few games to get into the swing of things.
If we are playing 4-2-3-1 it means we are replacing Tiote with Jonas/Perch at DM, the gulf in class is too high for them to be played there so reguarly, but there’s no way Ashley would rectify it unless Tiote was sold.
Just my opinion anyway, obviously there’s a big question mark on whether we’d reinvest any transfer sale money..
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
I kind of feel sorry for Pardew. He knows what type of football he wants to bring to this club, and the players we need to do it, But he is hamstrung by the finances/clowns.
We actually started the match against WHam, with no defensive cover on the bench. Thats shocking.
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
pointless talking about walcott.
We will never spend big money for the likes of him.
We have to scout about and find our own. Just like arsenal did.
lol
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
I would have thought we would at least had Tavernier on the bench.
He hasnt been too bad when called upon. Has he?
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Agreed about Tiote. Quality player, but just doesn’t play enough.
The Kid(Quote)
Sharpy-Exactly, he wouldn’t be through the middle with us either. If we had him and lost Ba for example, Cisse would have to be up top in 4-3-3, with Walcott on the wing. But it’s pointless thinking about anyway as it won’t happen 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Just read a little point on teamtalk that’s quite interesting…
Are we the only team in the league that plays 4-4-2?
No wonder we get overran in midfield if so.
I’m too exhausted to look into it atm, but off the top of my head: Man Utd/City/Chelsea/Arsenal/Everton/Tottenham/Liverpool/West Ham all play different formations.
hmm…
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Yeah to the people saying Cabaye is over-rated that is complete rubbish.
Over rated to what exactly?
He tries his heart out every game, always helping defence out, always creating out standing passes wich is goving us great movement.
The team in a whole is playing bad at the minute it’s got nothing to do with anyone being over rated
Mothersole29(Quote)
ST-Don’t manure play Diamond 4-4-2? And weren’t spurs fans booing AVB for not playing 4-4-2?
We need to change our formation don’t get me wrong, but its about getting the best players in the best positions, not just “4-4-2 is bad” for the sake of it.
Newkie(Quote)
@The Kid @92:
November 12, 2012 at 20:23 – You stated:
“Cabaye makes almost TWICE as many key passes(Chance creation) per game as Nolan at around 1.8. Nolan produces an average of 1 per game. Simply measuring goals and assists is the type of analysis I hate. It’s so basic.”
Care to share your sources? Or are these figures from your opinion?
Michael12(Quote)
@Newkie
That’s what the article was discussing: Spurs fans crying out for 4-4-2, when in reality it is barely used traditionally, as they wanted, with Defoe and Adebayor both playing up front, anymore. And they seem to have have forgotten for the majority of Harry’s tenure they only played with one up front, VDV playing behind the striker usually.
Same with Man Utd – they only play with one striker, Rooney plays behind the striker, they tend to line up.
I think therein lies another key reason why we get overran in midfield.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Pardew told the Evening Chronicle back in April 2011. Why is it all going wrong?
“We have a great team already to build on.” “We want to play exciting football and want that to continue.”“We want to wire players up in the wide areas like we did against Man U and get players through the middle and in on goal – that sort of movement is what you should have at St James’.”
“We want to break teams down that way rather than committing defenders and leaving yourself exposed.” “That is the next step we have here and something we are working on daily.”
“After what we have shown recently you would like to think there are a two wins left in us at least this season in the final four or five games.” “We really owe it to ourselves to finish the job strongly and owe it to the rest of the Premier League too.”
“We are preparing for games right, we are warming up and down for games right, and if we play as well as we did against Man U we will win more than we lose.” What we want to give to the fans is a display like Man United or better.”
“The minimum amount of effort we should be putting in is what we did against Man United.” “We look forward to the big games, not fear them.”
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy,
We still get it out to the wide areas, unfortunately the players in those wide areas are either not ready, or playing out of position or ****. So he clearly needs a new game plan.
JJ(Quote)
Solano…
Exactly what I said before the season started. You can’t play with two poachers.
If you are going to play 4-4-2 you need combonations. Wither a target man and a poacher or a creative player and a poacher.
We have no combinations up front, we have two defensively positioned midfielders which makes the gap between the forwards and midfielders even bigger and we only have one attacking wing back who is an outlet out wide.
We are so one dimensional, so predictable in our tactically approach, that the only way we will ever score is through sheer brilliance from an individual or luck!!
JJ(Quote)
Michael 12
Do you not think Cabaye would be very effective as the link player between a Tiote playing in front of the defence and a Ben Arfa playing in the hole behind the strikers?
Especially if we actually had an attacking wingback and good goal scoring wingers. There is nothing wrong with playing two midfielders that like to sit deep but then you need to build the team accordingly.
Debuchy_________defender________defender__________Santon
___________________Tiote________________________________
_____________________________Cabaye____________________
________________________Ben Arfa________________________
Wide forward_________________________________Wide forward
_______________________Cisse/Ba_________________________
For me, Pardew is far to concerned about defensive cover. So he plays defensively, and sticks three players up front who he hopes will create a goal from nothing or very little. All this does is create a huge gap between the midfield and attack, especially with players like Simpson and Willo who just hoove it up, and this in turn puts us under the cosh because we constantly give the ball away or pass it around in our own half.
Terrible tactics.
JJ(Quote)
Why do we rarely win the second ball?
Groucho(Quote)
(THIS IS A GOVERNMENT HEALTH WARNING. THIS POSTER IS LIABLE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR POINT OF VIEW. ONLY ENGAGE IF YOU AREN’T SENSITIVE AND DON’T TAKE HISSY FITS)
Will somebody give Pardew a bunk up to the next step. 😯
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Is it just me who thinks Cabaye looks quite ordinary and not some brilliant international whom we are so lucky to have? Every time I’m looking for someone to step in to break down a rapid opposition attack, he is going around the pitch at a steady jog. For a so called great passer, he can’t take a decent corner or free kick. How does that work?
Did I just breeze through some craic about Cabaye and HBA wasting their careers at NUFC? Yeah, I am so worried that they’ll be off to a fantastically ambitious, successful, trophy winning club like …Arsenal!
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
B&B
I think Cabaye is more than useful. Definately a better player than the value of 5.5 million we payed for him, but perhaps not the brilliant attacking midfielder some expect him to be.
I just don’t think he is being used correctly.
He is neat and tidy, a good passer, has good workrate, doesn’t shirk from a tackle and makes himself available to play the ball around in and around the centre circle.
I think he combines very well with Tiote, and we look good until we get into the final third then both players get a bit stuck.
Which is why we desperately need Ben Arfa in the middle to create and we need two quality wingers that will provide better service and be a greater goal scoring threat than the mediocre players we currently have there right now.
JJ(Quote)
We’ll come good, stop stressing! ! 🙂 🙂
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
Agreed JJ
I think we could play 4-4-1-1 like Man Utd/Tottenham very well if we made the right purchases.
Ideally we’d get 2 proper wingers, playing with on their stronger footed side, so they’re able to stretch play, providing space for HBA in the centre behind the striker.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Hard to believe its a decade today since one of if not the finest night in the clubs recent history:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuEOkPtIynk&feature=related
CC(Quote)
@CC
Imagine how different things would have been if we hadn’t got knocked out the qual round by Partizan, 4th then 3rd in the league, two years in the CL in a row.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Its been a very underwheelming start to our league season to say the least. We are however not too far away from the top 6 ( where we want to be ) but Im finiding it hard to see where and when we are going to hit a bit of form to get us up the league. We do have some ” winnable ” games coming up but with the way we are playing Im not too confident of getting the wins we need.
Johno Toon(Quote)
@JJ @ 185: I think Cabaye would be most effective on the bench. Look we must not think I just don’t like Cabaye but heaven knows I want him to be as good as you guys say he is because that would make my weekends much happier affairs than they currently are.
Michael12(Quote)
ST-I might be wrong, but haven’t manure, most recently, been playing Diamond 4-4-2? With RVP alongside Hernandez, and previously alongside Welbeck, with Rooney sitting behind the both of them?
-Spurs did for a lot of it, but they did switch around during the season. Remember, they brought in Saha and when the pounded us 5-0 it was using 4-4-2, against 4-4-2 funnily enough. They used to play with VDV on the right sometimes, and the others during which he was injured they’d still play 4-4-2 on occasion.
Newkie(Quote)
CC@192 ,Quality link that ,gonna be sometime before we see a night like that .So many Legends on display too ,seeing Sir Bob and Speedo talking ,such passion for the game ,both so missed.
KIMTOON(Quote)
What is now apparent is we are seriously off form for whatever reason wether that be tactics ,motivation ,team spirit or fitness I don’t care .They just need to sort their **** out and start playing from the first whistle imo. If we can all see the two Dembas won’t work without quality wingers then Pards must see this also ,therefor he must be continuing this formation for a reason we arn’t aware of yet -thoughts? . IMO this is what happens when a manager is either A .pleasing an individual or B so limited in who he can select he has no real other options. It’s a ****** which ever way you view it. On the subject of Cabayes form ,has he not had an injury also this season and to be fair he’s probably well cheesed off about Debbie not arriving in the summer too.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim-I think he’s continuing 4-4-2 to get Cisse firing because he can’t play on the wing in a 4-3-3. Although according to the bbc we were playing Ba behind Cisse in 4-4-1-1. Some people want him dropped, some don’t so Pards can’t win in regards to that. The problem with the last match was though that Cisse was essentially the same but the rest of the team were worse than we have been all season, not better 😕
I’m still convinced 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-1-1-2 is the grand plan, it would fit with what Pards has said about where he wants his players to play, but due to the slow start of Anita and the continuous injuries and suspensions we’ve had to vital players, and the poor form of Cisse, he’s been reluctant to try anything other than a standard 4-4-2.
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie ,Yeah ,I do have a bit of sympathy for Pards in what he has avialible for selection but I feel if he wants to persist with Cisse and I’m glad he does as his confidence will worsen if dropped ,then he simply has to put Ba out wide imo wether he’s happy or not. The only other option is to be brave and put Benny behind one or both and see how we go . Would this work do you reckon given whats avialible?
Simmo Taylor Willo Santon
Tiote Anita OR Bigi
Cabs hba Fergie
Cisse or BA
KIMTOON(Quote)
Kim-Yeah I know what you mean, and there are many that share your view that we should go back to last years 4-3-3. Personally though I’m not that in favour of it. I’ve seen no improvement from Cisse in all the games he’s played, and to put him among all the chances right now would be a big risk and that’s why I can understand why Pardew hasn’t done it.
Although after the stale performance we do need to try something differently asap.
I’m not sure I’d have your selection in those spots, Cabaye advanced on the right and Fergie advanced on the left wouldn’t work for me. They could whip crosses in but neither Ba or Cisse are aerial power houses, I’d say Ba is better in the air but both are pretty average for the PL. Neither Cabaye nor fergie would be able to get to the byline and dribble it past someone for the cutback, which would probably get the best out of our striker and Benny. Ferguson is a classic 4-4-2 winger and he doesn’t seem to have much of a shot on him, so putting him further forward is risky imo.
My ideals would be
Simmo-Tayls-Willo-Santon
—-Tiote———Anita
———–Cabaye———-
———-Benny———-
——-Ba——–Cisse–
Just to try a bit more to see if Cisse and Ba can work-with that formation with an advanced Cabaye and a wandering Ben Arfa, we’d be able to draw out defenders and play more through balls, not crosses, which our strikers can do a lot more with…
Failing that then yeah, last years 4-3-3 with Cisse up top, or if he’s poor Ba up top and then Sammeobi or Obertan or possibly Fergie on the left. I wanted Marv for that spot but doesn’t look like that will happen…
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie ,Marvs a mystery ,don’t know whats going on there tbh .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Yeah that’s a good point on Spurs, though again it worked sometimes for them as they have proper old fashioned wingers. Not so sure on Man Utd without looking into it, I thought Hernandez had mainly featured from the bench this season though? Guess Welbeck played a fair bit earlier this season. Again I think at least Man Utd have at least one winger that is willing to get to the byline (Valencia), and both full backs who do the same.
Simmo is our only player on the wing playing on his natural footed side 😕 🙄
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
ST-From what I’ve seen of Manure recently, sine getting VP in they’ve had him and another striker up front, with Rooney sitting behind them both at the top of the diamond. Carrick has been the shield, with Valencia on the right and Cleverly on the left-but not as wingers, just CMs who can drift out. Then they’ve had Rafael and Evra providing the real width from full back.
Spurs were quality in whatever formation they played, but they were still great in 4-4-2. Their drop in form, to me, was down to them thinking Bale was Ronaldo and telling him to drift around and try for wonder goals and all that nonesense, rather than keeping him down the left where he should have been.
Inverted wingers can be fine in the 4-3-3 we played for instance, but in our 4-4-2 it is pretty poor. Problem is though, Santon loves to cut in, I actually think he prefers it on the left, natural foot or not. He can’t beat people so easily on the right, and rather than cutting in the box he tends to just stand around or maybe attempt a few crosses which he’s not great at. At the West ham game we had Fergie who’s a great crosser, and on his natural foot, but for a number of reasons it didn’t work.
Formation is still a big deal, but there’s no excuse for players just playing badly, and a lack of ambition. Whether there’s a problem with the squad as a whole or just some key players I don’t know, but pards needs to find it and sort it out. I don’t think the constantly changing line up due to injuries and suspensions has helped the squad find any rhythm, but there has to be more to it than that…
Newkie(Quote)
And re Hernandez, when he came on against Villa it was still in the first half I’m pretty sure, and he went up top alongside Van Persie with Rooney behind I think.
Newkie(Quote)
Apparently Jonas’ sister had tweeted he’s out for 6-8 weeks!
georgio(Quote)
Yeah he did against Villa. It’s just a combination this season, injuries, key players out of form, poor choice of tactics.
Only area we’ve excelled in is in Europe which is why I don’t think it’s the right time to be criticising squad players.
And I don’t think it can all be blamed on the transfer window either, obviously it would have helped the football we have played, however we should still be beating West Ham and Aston Villa at home
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Yeah, I do think it’s a little ott with some transfer talk saying we needed reinforcements in like 4 or more positions, we do need to see if people like Fergie, Tav and Sammeobi (and Gosling/Vuckic before their injuries) are going to have a future with us….Of course we could have brought in others and loaned them out to a good CC side, but we seem to be shocking in that department for some reason or another 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Georgio-Where’d you here that? Guess that’s about right, I mean he went to hospital about a possible break didn’t he?
Newkie(Quote)
I see Ed has kicked up a bit of a **** storm by playing down tactics, hasn’t gone down well with all the fantasy football/football manager kings on his blog 😆 Good on him I say ❗
Newkie(Quote)
NEWKIE just for you 😉
http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/newcastle-united-jonas-gutierrez-premier-league-west-ham/?
icedog(Quote)
The core of this problem for us lies in Cisse and Tiote. As for Cisse I don’t think I’ve seen a more out of form player in my life. How does this happen? Is it just coincidence that Cisse and Tiote are best mates? Possibly they have become very complacent hanging about together and perhaps some of Cisse’s wonder goals from last season have made him over-confident. He looked ridiculous taking that shot from outside the box against West Ham and missing the net by about 10 yards. If we can’t get these 2 players back in form it will be a very difficult season indeed, especially if we lose Ba in January. With no real working relationship between Pardew and Llambias (that’s speculation on my part but all Derek cares about is keeping Ashley’s money safe) how can we build a team strong enough to compete at home and in Europe? I just can’t see it.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Cheers Ice 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Ice ,re Jonas ,we still don’t know what the injury is though do we ,was it a break ,a ligament tear or what ,they are a bit slow keeping us fans up to date like.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Would like to see us try 3 5 2 with caybeye tiote and anita in midfield
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
Well maybe the break will do Jonas a world of good and maybe some fans will see what he does give to our team rather than what he doesn’t give us.
I do think he will be a miss, as I was all for Fergie getting a chance but not as a full time answer.
Big Dave(Quote)
Jonas was handy in the middle but no longer seems to have the legs for the wing. Time to hope Fergie can take his opportunity and hope that his crosses will do some damage against the teams we come up against from now on-I didn’t expect anything against the Hammers, but they should cause some trouble for Swansea…Time for Anita to step up and show what he’s about as well..
Newkie(Quote)
least when jonas gives the ball away he works his socks off to get it back unlike ben afra saw him lose it twice last game v west ham just joging back like its a training session
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
The difference being Jonas can’t do anything with the ball anymore, while Ben Arfa sets up almost all of our attacks 😆
Newkie(Quote)
NEWKIE
the difference between jonas and ben afra is jonas is a team player were ben afra is a show pony whos all about making himself look good and to set up ya chances you need the dude to accually pass the bloomin ball
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
I see, so the fact that Ben Arfa has more assists in both this and last season than Jonas, despite playing significantly less last year, show that he is a selfish player who doesn’t pass the ball? If that is your opinion I’m not really sure what I can say to you.
Newkie(Quote)
tell ya what newkie next game count how maytimes ben afra puts the team on the back foot by lossing the ball on 1 of his runs then watch him jog back while the midfield tryed to win it back from being out of position
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
Alright…
Newkie(Quote)
then well contunie the convo then lol
TOONARMYELITE(Quote)
But if he loses possession a few times and creates, scores, or is heavily involved in the build up of a goal, I don’t really see where that will get us? I accept the potential loss of possession for the potential bit of magic to win us a game, I’m guessing you don’t, so will it get us anywhere?
Newkie(Quote)