So for that reason I’m not going to bother and I’m going to have a moan instead. The facts are startling enough and the main one is that we lost 6-0 at home to Liverpool.
I’ve personally now got that sinking feeling and and I now firmly believe that our safety is now in the hands of the inability, or indeed ability, of other teams below us picking up points. I honestly can’t see us getting another win this season and at the moment getting a draw is a stretch of the imagination so it’s very much squeaky *** time on Tyneside as we await confirmation of which division we’ll be gracing next season.
What I saw yesterday was nowhere near good enough. A 6-0 defeat is never good, but to not find one positive from a defeat like that and, perhaps more worryingly, see a side who are supposed to be fighting for their lives crumble so easily is alarming to say the least.
So where do we go from here? Put simply I don’t know. I’m now at the point of backing the sacking of Alan Pardew after spending so much time teetering on the edge, but is it right to do it with three games to go? Do we get rid now and let John Carver have a go at motivating our players? There are risks associated with everything.
What’s gone wrong? Have we collectively overestimated how good our French imports are? To put it another way, are they not as good as a lot of fans thought they were? I still believe they are good players, but they aren’t being played in the right way and aren’t being motivated enough which is the job of a manager in my book.
Yes you can say the players have a responsibility and should be motivated because that’s their job, but we don’t know if anything has happened behind the scenes to affect that. Most people in normal jobs would just get on wit it, but footballers aren’t “normal” in that sense and need to be handled differently.
A dismal season is just getting worse and worse, and that real worrying thing is that it could still get worse. The threat of relegation still looms large and the result yesterday, although horrible to go through, will have very little to do with it in the grand scheme of things. If we go down it’s because we’ve not been good enough all season, not because we lost 6-0 yesterday.
I, like everyone, just hope we don’t have to go through relegation again…
I’ve defended Pardew all season but I genuinely feel we are the 3rd worst team in the league now. The players look lost, the tactics are terrible and the defending yesterday a joke, Liverpool were basically walking the ball in at ease. Jonas has been terrible recently but gets picked every game, we have somehow made Sissoko look below average, he runs into blind channels and acomplishes nothing, I could go on and on! Unfortunately Pardew needs to go but with our recent track record of picking managers, Roeder, Alladyce, Keegan, Souness, Kinnear I am petrified of who they ll appoint. One last point, apart from maybe Chelsea at home has there been a good 90 min performance by us ALL season, when we have been the better side? I include all cup games in that as well
Gordielaa(Quote)
Paying the price for the lack of depth in the squad, the balance sheet looks good but it doesnt win games, and yes the coaching is terrible, we havent played well all season and the continued selection of off form players has cost us.
The more worrying thing for me is that he hinted yesterday that Ameobi will come in and that hasnt worked either all season.
I actually blame the midfield for going missing recently, there is no creation in the team and no cover for the defence, Perch and Jonas were minging again yesterday and Cabaye and Tiote are miles off the pace and shadows of the players they should be.
Robert(Quote)
Cabaye is a bottler. There, I said it. He’s a good player, but he’s also a coward and goes missing when the going gets tough.
The Kid(Quote)
Watching these Reading v QPR on the box and I tell you what, we may have been hit for 6 yesterday, but we aren’t as bad as this lot. Two genuinely appalling sides
The Kid(Quote)
Agree Toonsy, have just about had enough, I keep thinking back to the good times, Sir Les, Shearer, Speedo, Rob Lee, Davide G, Beardo, etc and look at us now, we have gone down faster than the Titanic, time for the Master to jump ship. if not push him, he is a total waste of space at anything related to football other than making up excuses one after the other.
Two sources this morning have indicated that Debuchy wanted to be booked a second time then sent off, if thats really is the case it says it all, ‘THE DRESSING ROOM HAS LEFT THE FIELD OF PLAY’ and thats down to the crazy team selections and substitutions of a certain MR ALAN PARDEW and his coaching staff.
Someone and I hope its not Pardew because he will have been sacked (but not holding my breath on that one) will have to go and find Danny Simpson and ask him if he fancies a game, then try and persuade Colo to come out of exile, and maybe get Shearer, Beardsley and Rob Lee to organise training + anyone else with an ounce of a football brain to sort things out, or maybe approach Sunderland and see if Di’Canio would like to run both clubs and do some backside kicking.
Gee I am so wound up after that load of **** yesterday, apologies for the negativity.
ash1001(Quote)
The kid
I agree, he’s a luxury player who looks class when the teams doing well but is lazy when the going gets tough and whey aye Cabaye becomes WTF are you doing Cabaye? 🙁
Andymag(Quote)
Toonsy ,fair play mate ,I said yesterday I thought this would be a hard one for you to put up. And it’s true who want’s to relive it again ,once was bad enough . Toonsy I understand your hesitancy in saying sack Pards ,I was the same last night only cause of the 3 games left situation mind not cause I think he’s up to it . This morning having slept on it I was certain he has to go ,even if it’s only Peter or Carver taking charge ,anyone who isn’t negative in their tactics getsmy vote tbh . We need 3 points imo as I’m sure 38 won’t be enough. What we saw yesterday was a complete shambles the worst TEAM/MANAGER performance all season by a country mile. We watched ***** all season and the regular match attenders have had the **** completely taken by a board who failed to strengthen and push on in the summer .They may of panicked and put it right in january but the rot had already set in . My hope is that 1 point may keep us up and we show some gumption to get that 1 point but frankly if we get a point or 3 I will be amazed and delighted in equal measure. It won’t and shouldn’t alter the fact that Pards needs to go .
KIMTOON(Quote)
The Kid & Andy ,The fact that Saylor faced the media without his captain for the day by his side says it all for me .I was very cross about that last night and a bit shocked as I had thought better of Cabaye tbh, not so sure he’s captain material anymore. 🙁
KIMTOON(Quote)
Toonsy – I actually believe that the players are being played out of position and he is picking out of form players for whatever reason I have no idea.
He confirmed before the game that HBA was fit, yet he decided to start with Sissoko on the right – why? He decided to drop Gouffran who scored in his last game to play Jonas who is completely out of form – Why?
He picked two defensive midfielders at home for a game we needed to win – why?
He continually picks Tiote when he’s fit even though he’s clearly not playing well and we have Anita sat on the bench – why?
There have been rumours floating about that the players aren’t happy and they’re being played out of position or just aren’t playing.
Why is cabaye playing deep?
Why is Sissoko playing in ‘the hole’ when he says himself he’s a centre midfielder.
Why has he left HBA on the bench so often and only bring him on when we need a goal? Do we not need goals in the first half of games?
Why do we go into games looking not to lose first and foremost?
When was the last home game where we started well? Can he motivate the players?
I would like to know all the answers to these questions as I think this is a major reason why we’re where we are.
Stuart79(Quote)
The Kid/Andy – whilst I understand your point about Cabaye, I think it’s unfair to single him out over everyone else. Every fucking one of them went missing yesterday. Cabaye is a similar Capt to Colo, he’s not gonna rally the troops with a war cry. The only players we have one the team that may do that is Taylor, Toite or maybe Sissoko. But Taylor has mistakes in him, Tiote has poor discipline and Sissoko is probably to early in his toon career to be handed the armband.
I have to be honest, when they walked through us for that 2nd goal, my heart sank and I got this nervous sickly feeling which hasn’t went away. I’m so fearful of the drop now with the games we have left, we are heavily depending on other teams to do us favours and that’s never a good scenario – especially when it’s the scum against Villa the mora neet 😕 🙁
Sharpy17(Quote)
I would defo replace Pards with Benitez but I don’t believe for a second we would his wage demands.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Reading some of the posts above make me feel very old. People saying we are not as good as we once were. Well I am old enough to know when we were really gash. It was still fun and will still be fun. I have honestly seen worse than yesterday. But that isn’t to distract from yesterday that was abject dismal whatever you want to call it and somebody has to carry the can or be a sacrificial lamb.
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
Troy ,do you think Peter or Carver would maybe set us up different if put in charge for the last 3 games ? My worry is Pards has an arrogant streak that makes me think he won’t change his tactics or team selection .
KIMTOON(Quote)
Tweet last night from Glen Johnson ” Great three points ,never heard St James so quiet :-/ ”
KIMTOON(Quote)
Danno(Quote)
Beardsley had the reserves playing really well when he was in charge (Donachie seems **** at it), maybe he can rally the team for the final few games, he at least knows what being at the toon is about and can install a more attacking mentality.
Andymag(Quote)
watching yesterday was embarrassing, but it does back up what I’ve been saying for two months now.
we are physically and mentally knackered. the players cannot close down, they cannot catch people running at and past them, they cannot run past people, they cant follow the player they are marking, they cannot run into space, they are all static so we pass ourselves into trouble and end up hoofing it clear.
this comes back to Parduds decisions (backed by most people on here) to play full strength sides in the vague hope of some glory in the EL . we picked up injuries in these games to Krul and benny, hamsrings in games after to debuchy/santon/cabaye.
players we told after the Southampton game relegation has been ruled out. The “we are done” comment was naïve and incorrect.
we are near enough playing a 9-0-1 formation. with Sissoko and Jonas the wingers, when they are now better defensive midfield players. the three middle ones of tiote/perch/cababye all sitting deep.
I said in Feb that we needed to get the points in march/early april as I didn’t see any points in the last five games and we should forget about Europe and concentrate on the points. (I took a bit of stick and lacking ambition on this view at the time). people must be expecting 3 wins from 3 now, no… mmmmm.
I think Pardud has lost the plot for a while now, but as for the poll on the previous thread. I’m not for sacking Pardud, yet.. he has three games left. reasons.
its his side, his formations, his tactics, his decisions that have got us into this situation. he has nobody to blame but himself, he has to get us out of this situation. I don’t want to give him the opportunity to be sacked and say if they have stayed with me I’d have kept them up. he needs to take full blame and responsibility for this season.
after the January window and the wins against villa and Chelsea everyone to a man ( woman) was saying Ashley and lame ar^% had finally got their act together and I still stick with this view, they gave Pardud the tools, Its like me with DIY I can have all the tools but I’m still SH&^ at using them.
this is all at the door of one man. Pardud.
its going to be a struggle to the end of the season, but then its a clear out time.
first decision do we need a person to get out of the championship or a premier league manager. some of the names mentioned as replacements wont come here if we are in the PL never mind the championship. so we need to wait and see.
KEV(Quote)
Don’t you have some house to rob Danno?
Andymag(Quote)
pardew is doing a fantastic job leave him alone he still has 9 years of a contract yet im sure you will win the leauge conference that is if you go down we will give him a knighthood in wearside ha ha ha
mackem(Quote)
survival depends on one game. QPR away. There will be no hiding place for the staff or players if we don’t win as QPR are a poor side and have nothing to play for. Players need to run themselves into the ground
The Kid(Quote)
MACKEM
April 28, 2013 at 15:39
“leauge conference”
😆 😆 😆 😆
Still no schools in Scumberland I see…Or still just for the inbreds?
Stuart79(Quote)
Mackem, And I’m sure you will learn to get the facts right ( it’s 7 more years ) and learn to spell (it’s League not leauge ). Away back to school homework for you.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Nasty Nasty Andymag 😈 It’s not my fault your side has NO HEART OR SOUL fella 😕 Use gave us enough stick last season over the Carroll transfer & how The Mighty Pardew was going too take use too the promised land 😥 You’ll stay up,but your players aren’t good enough for a club rich in tradition & who get 52000 fans each home game 😉 And I’d really worry how Cashley is running your club 😥 Because he buys use players for less than £5 million or so,yet sell’s your best players on ;-( Cabaye Ben Afra will both leave in the summer,because as long as Cashley is in the premier league he’s happy ? He won’t put the cash in needed too turn use into a top club EVER 🙁
Danno(Quote)
We are all to blame. Most, if not all, wanted these players yet they aren’t as good as hyped or do not fit England. I won’t even comment on the coaching…
funkyjesus(Quote)
Just seen the BBC interview with Pardew. He says next week he might have to look at playing experienced players against West Ham. Who are these experienced players? Isn’t quality important anymore?
Stuart79(Quote)
Arsenal 1.up lets hope they win the less points they need when they visit us the better.
KIMTOON(Quote)
**** me Arsenal are going to do the same as Liverpool. Walcott will rape Hadiara.
Toby le Rhone(Quote)
Stuart ,The guy talks the biggest crock of ***** I have ever heard ,time to shut the @@@@ up and get on with his job .No more soundbites from him or the players please just save our season or **** off.
KIMTOON(Quote)
Toby ,And you’ve only just realised that lol.
KIMTOON(Quote)
I too had defended Pardew and hoped he may be able to take the amazing opportunity to rejuvenate his career here, but he has to go. His selections have been predictably bad as have too many performances, without those January recruitments and the wins they brought then and the games where we got last minute winners we would be almost relegated already.
And if you look at our season on that basis, given the squad we have, that is a disgrace. I would have forgiven the early season bad luck, demotivation, whatever, if we had gone on to show a consistent will and decent football ok, but to be where we are now and with these two results, dreadful.
No question Pardew has to go, the question is when and how to deal with the last 3 exceptionally important games.
I am not sure why people worry so much about us getting a manager, unless we really aren’t going to pay a decent wage. Which doesn’t make sense in relation to the influence of the manager. We look like we have a bit of money to spend, we are trying to get a youth system going, we have a full stadium (up until now) and we have a pretty good squad. But, certainly with scope for a manager to stamp his own mark on it, given certain club parameters, which is not uncommon in football now.
Ashley et al, have learnt have the gone, I would see them making a sensible appointment next time, and also now realizing how important the back room staff and medical team are.
I do hope we are dealing with this in the Premiership, though. I just can’t believe i am having to think otherwise again, and that is enough to say Pardew has got to go.
Lionel Speed(Quote)
I find myself having to for once agreeing totally with what is being said on this blog.What i saw yesterday was a manager and a team devoid of ideas and fight. The fact that to a man we were all baffled with the team for yesterdays match was announced at the ground and a vast majority of supporters were predicting defeat before a ball was kicked.I have always stated that the club needs stability.If Pardew style of football is what is required then you can keep it. I know their have been underlying circumstances that have conspired to have us in the position we are in, but for me Pardew is a arrogant clown who is to vain to shoulder any responsibility. Get rid in the summer either way.Try and keep the faith lads its not as tho we have not been here before.
chaddas(Quote)
@TheKid
Assuming the reason Pardew isn’t starting HBA is because he doesn’t he could last a whole game/ isn’t fully fit or whatever. Would you start him against West Ham or save him for QPR?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@Ash
If that is true (and I am 99% sure it isn’t), why the hell would you blame Pardew?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
I don’t think we can afford to leave Pardew in charge for the last three matches. He’s so arrogant as Kim says – he knows best – I have no confidence he will get us any more points. Therefore putting someone else in charge cannot make matters worse than they are. We may get points from a new man in charge syndrome even if it only lasts for a couple of matches.
Groucho(Quote)
If use SACK PARDEW,who is Ashley going too appoint in his place ? Any decent manager isn’t going too take the job,because Cashley won’t give the money a decent manager would demand too transform your side 😥
And too give a manager a 8 year contract is SHAMBOLIC 😈 Pardew is in a WIN WIN situation,he knows Cashley won’t SACK HIM.Because it would cost him millions,then the merry-go round starts again 😉
Danno(Quote)
Pardew needs to go, either now or later after the season ends. Hopefully we are still in Premier League by that time.
What Pardew means with ‘experienced premiership players’? Maybe he will say Willo and Simmo, all is forgiven? 🙄
Can Carr scout a manager?
Toon TRW(Quote)
Utter shambles yesterday.
At times I find Pardew’s tactical decisions and team selection utterly baffling. We played far too defensively (badly) yesterday.
No idea why Sissoko started on the right either.
No idea why Gouffran and Barfa were sat on the bench, nor why Cabaye was playing so deep. Our 4 most attack-minded players had no creative input whatsoever. It was too late when Barfa came on. We should’ve gone at them from the off.
I’m fucking sick of hearing excuse after excuse coming out of Pardew’s gob too. Yeah, Fatboy chucked a massive spanner in the works by not investing in the team last summer. Good January buys, but the damage had already been done in my opinion. We still badly need a Ba replacement too, and I wish to **** someone would explain the offside trap to Cisse.
Mouthpiece Pardew frustrates the hell out of me, but I don’t think sacking him at such a late stage of the season would be a sensible idea. I’d keep him, for now, then kick his **** out in the close season. That’s my feeling, but I very much doubt Fatboy would sack his rent-boy.
We’re currently 4th bottom of the ‘club form guide’ league, and I think that’s where we’ll finish in the league. We’ve got two tricky London trips and a home game against Arsenal to come but we’ll stay up by the hairs of our arses and maybe get another point or two.
I’m believe our Premier League safety now lies in the hands of other teams around us being ******* than we are. Pardew ain’t got a magic wand. I want the season to end now.
What a joke.
Rodzilla(Quote)
The passion and work rate of Arsenal this game. Shows what having English players playing for you does, oh wait. Well to be fair they have something to play for, oh **** wait again.
For every two criticisms Pardew gets, the players are deserving of at least one.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
I would play Ben Arfa in both games. Hopefully Marveaux will be back too. We need his incisive passing. Cabaye also plays a lot better when Marveaux is alongside him.
The Kid(Quote)
One thing I’ve noticed about Newcastle is that for whatever reason, when other teams are fighting for their lives and their players are putting in 90 minutes of blood, sweat and tears to stay up, our players just look like they can’t be arsed and throw the towel in. It’s like they think they are too good to go down or something and it was the same when we got relegated. We tried harder to get into Europe, or to win the championship than we try to stay up. It looks like we are going to need some good luck to stay up and why? We had pretty much a full strength team to pick from yesterday and no other distractions so what are the excuses this time?
DJG(Quote)
—————————————— Elliot——————————————————–Simpson——————–Taylor—————-Colo——————————Haidara
———————————Anita——————Sissoko————————————
——————————————-Cabaye—————————————————-
HBA————————————————————————————-Marvauex
——————————————–Cisse——————————————————
Stuart79(Quote)
RODZILLA
I hope so but do you think Wigan and Villa will not pick up wins between now and the end of the season? Wigan had a game in hand and nearly beat Spurs (who are chasing champions league) they had chances to make it 3-1 and could have easily have won. Next they have another 4 games and the next two are against teams with nothing to play for. This is when Wigan traditionally go on a winning streak. Then there is Villa who if they beat Sunderland at home tomorrow will be on the same points as us. I think we will need a win at QPR and maybe a draw from one of the other games. To get that we will need a major turnaround in form and players like Benny staying fit and Cisse scoring more of his chances.
DJG(Quote)
Stu, I like the 2 goalkeepers approach. I think defence-minded Pardew could go for that tactic too. 😛
DJG, yeah, I think they’re both showing more guile than us at the moment and it is a concern. I just have a hunch we’ll stay up. Nothing more than that really. Mathematically, anyone in the bottom half of the table could still be the third team relegated.
Rodzilla(Quote)
Can’t believe that it has got so bad that people are now questioning the ability and attitudes of the players… The reason for their attitude and performance is Pardew… These are international players who play for nations far superior to England. They are also mostly league or cup winners… Their skill should not be in doubt… Pardew makes players look bad with his ridiculous negative tactics… Players don’t want to play under him. It must be so demoralising! And as for the fatigue bullshit excuse… Man U and clubs like Dortmund have players who have played over 50 games this season and look at the intensity they play with… The reason why they are so tired and mentally stuffed is because Pardew’s negative tactics have us constantly defending. Then we hoof it back up field and defend again… Defending uses far more energy than attacking does… Furthermore. Why is Cisse always offsides? Because Pardew plays him as our only high player miles away from the midfield. This makes it so easy for the opposition defence to push up and play the offside trap because they only need to watch one player. The others are all too deep to try break the line. His only support is Shola who is so slow he makes no difference. I could go on and explain how Pardews tactics make our other players look **** but I’d have to go through the entire squad… He’s a horrible tactitian. He got by as a motivator but the players don’t respect him so his words now mean nothing to them…
JJ(Quote)
Pardew has made a serious mistake by signalling Cabaye out as captain material. He’s a fair weather captain at the moment, too much pressure on the lad. So what does Pardew do, big him up in the papers and crank up the pressure. What a BAD decision.
Cabaye is led, he is not a leader.
Munich Mag(Quote)
Rodz – you’re right mate, the formation and player selection was just messed up. Cisse is carrying an injury and needed players around him to support, so to go 4-5-1 or 4-4-1-1 or whatever the hell he went with was just ****** up!.
To have Perch, Jonas and Tiote all on (no offence to them) with Gouffran, Benny and Anita on the bench when were at home and NEED points was just naive and pretty clueless in all honestly.
That said, to sack him with 3 games to go – I’m not sure who could get to grips with the team quick enough to get the points needed to be honest. It’s fucking ridiculous that we are in such a messy situation, but if we play like that from now til the end of the season were gone IMO
Sharpy17(Quote)
JJ , very true mate.
KIMTOON(Quote)
@Rod 😆
@Kid I agree. Though I doubt that Pardew does.
@JJ really? There is no excuse for not putting in the effort. We can blame Pardew as much as we want but that doesn’t change the fact our players attitudes are **** and they are also very culpable for our league position.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
MM the main leader in football is the manager. Its not like rugby or cricket where the captain plays a massive role in decision making. The sad truth is that Pardew is the biggest fair weather captain of the lot. When the going gets tough he bottles it. He has a cv which proves that… Plus the fact that he fell out badly with our actual captain Colo. A man even Barton said was a great leader… He fell out badly with Pardew over tactics. So much so he lost interest in the club. Pards now has to crawl back to him and Simmo and ask them to bail him out of the ****… He’s gone from an average manager getting the rub of the green. To a shocking manager with nothing going his way… 284 corners without a goal and the worst defensive record in the league. Plus losing 0-3 and 0-6 to the two clubs most Toon fans hate the most…. He’s fast becoming a bigger shambles the Joe Kinnear. In fact I’d say he’s no better…
JJ(Quote)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXrwBCnkLgI
JJ I defy you to watch that video again and completely blame Pardew. His team selection was shocking but we will never even know if there was some workable game plan as the players put themselves on the back foot immediately.
#1 Haidera and Saylor standing there like gormless idiots, Taylor especially, wtf.
#2 Debuchy sauntering into no-mans land. Freeze the frame at 37 seconds, THAT is our defensive line
#3 HBA trying to take on their whole bloody team from the half way line. Haidera not wanting to get his jersey sweaty by running back to the man he can clearly see is free.
#4 Tiote giving the ball away, the thought of trying to win the ball back never even crossing his mind, no pressure on the player making the pass. Haidera clearly had a chat with Mbiwa on how hard kits are to wash when you get them sweaty. It’s as Shearer said on match of the day, it could come down to goal difference – RUN BACK YOU FUCKING IDIOTS.
#5 Tiote again giving the ball away, great touch, and what a warrier getting shrugged off by Coutinho 🙄 Mbiwa, well we were all stunned seeing Downing skin a man, but you can watch the replays on your plasma later, there’s a fucking man next to you unmarked.
#6 I’ll put it down to bad luck.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
JJ – with all due respect, if you knew nothing of NUFC and yesterday was the 1st time you’d ever watched them – you really wouldn’t believe that was a team of international players. Their skill and ability is not in question, but their heart, commitment, grit, determination, desire – call it what you will – that’s what is in question.
Whether they want to play for Pardew or not, they are paid by NUFC, we need 3 points for premier league survival – now I’m not saying that could have been achieved yesterday – but that’s what we need.
They should all be grafting their arses off to get that, then they can go to Ashley and say they don’t want to play under Pardew and stick transfer requests in if he’s not prepared to listen – really I couldn’t give a **** whether they all stay or all go including Pardew. I just want to see them doing everything they can to keep this club in the PL, like the Wigan players did yesterday and have for the last 8 seasons or whatever. I didn’t see that against scum, 2nd half of WBA or at all yesterday – 3 games which could realistically have got us 4-6 points for premiership survival. So yes, it’s as much the players as Pardew IMO mate.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Who would we get to replace Pardew at such a late stage? simple answer NO ONE, but thats fine by me, let the players choose the team but more importantly the way we play.
If Pardew gives as much direction to the players in training as he does during the course of the game then its NIL, if he takes the defence so the story goes for best part of the week, then the question has to be asked – doing what?
Its only an opinion but it seems as if Simpson has been frozen out totally by Pardew, he’s not injured, played well when standing in for Debuchy, he probably expected to retain his place, and told Pardew what he thought when he was dropped for the Sunderland game, and that was it.
#solano’s trumpet you asked earlier about players playing to get sent off, it has been raised twice today, once on ‘Sunday Supplement’ and once on ‘ESPN’, I do not know only the players can answer that question.
ash1001(Quote)
@JJ
“he fell out badly with our actual captain Colo” come on JJ, I hate when fans beat someone with a stick when it is unjustified. Are you seriously going to blame the fact that Colo wanted out on Pardew? 😕
If the players hadn’t been completely **** yesterday we most likely would have lost due to Pardew’s negative tactics, yeah. Would we have lost 6-0? I doubt it. Is the poor mental strength due to Pardew? Maybe,yes. Should the players step up and bite the bit themselves? Of fucking course.
We defended the players pre Jan because they were “demotivated” due to lack of summer signings, what’s their excuse for their lack of effort now?
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@Ash
Well if so, how the hell can you blame Pardew for that? It’s disgraceful and if it’s true I don’t want Debuchy to play for the club again.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@Sharpy
Agree. Probably lay more of the blame at Pardew’s feet, but the apologists blaming Pardew for the players’ lack of effort are doing my nut in.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano. I don’t think that the players aren’t trying. The they are but they are being asked to perform roles that their skills sets aren’t made for. The tactics invite pressure. Its inevitable that the players will crack. Cisse and Sissoko tried their hearts out. But they were so isolated that they had no chance… Does that make them ****? No… We played with four effing defensive midfielders. Tiote, Perch, Jonas and Cabaye! Where where the fucking outlets. Where could we release pressure? At best they were going to get in each others way… Debuchy tried his best but lost it because of frustration. The same way a Barton would have… Why? Because he is passionate… The least passionate player we have in terms of effort is Shola… an Englishman. Taylor tries his heart out but is completely out of sinc with the other defenders. The problem always goes back to the manager…
JJ(Quote)
Solano. To professionals this is a job… When you have a boss that nobody respects then you don’t give as much effort as you usually would… They may well be thinking. ****. If I’m stuck here for eight years playing this **** do I really want to be here? Also. Its no secret Pards fell out badly with Colo around December over tactics… You can’t deny it played a role. Would you… Being Marv or Gouffran be happy being dropped time after time for someone playing as **** as Jonas? He never stops trying but ffs he’s ****… You can put Shola in next week for experience but he’ll be **** too… Pardew should be brave and leave three high up to support Cisse. Something to actually worry the opposition so they can’t just flood forward… When you get shafted every game it would get even the toughest most passionate players down questioning their futures and ambition. As professional as they are. These things effect you… Look how Pards treatment of Cisse effected him… He was aweful. But are you going to tell me he wasn’t trying? Tactics and confidence play a huge role… Also you commented on players playing as individuals and screwing up basics… It all boils down to coaching and team spirit… That is again the duty of the manager… The buck stops with him…
JJ(Quote)
JJ – Sorry mate but even a defender playing as a striker should be able to pass the ball five yards to a team mate but they aren’t even doing that. Position/roles/tactics/whatever should have no impact on players doing the most basic things which at the moment they arent doing.
toonsy(Quote)
JJ – the defence didnt even track back mate!.
Debuchy is a RB, Taylor and MYM are CBs and Haidara is a LB – they were in their natural positions and being asked to track back or mark a player IS in their skill set!. If there was 4 defensive MFs then why the **** didn’t one of them get a grip of Coutinho – part of their defensive skill set.
Yes Pardew is to blame for setting up too defensively and not providing support for Cisse.
I accept asking Benny or Marv to defend isnt playing to their skill sets, but asking defenders to defend and players like Perch, Tiote and Jonas (who’s skill set still puzzles me) to provide defensive cover is playing to their skill sets – yet we still got beat 0-6! – the players HAVE to be held accountable as well mate.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Last rwo home games have seen debuchy totally controlled by rose/enrique.. Tiote looks as though hes never played football before. sissoko is not a right winger. jonas in not a left winger. taylor needs to concentrate on marking his man. Elliott is shell shocked. mwbai and haidara are struggling with being closed down so quickly. cabaye is struggling. and his dead ball delivery is a disgrace.
kev(Quote)
Toonsy, I agree. They should be able to. But confidence plays a massive role in sport. And that confidence is brought in by the attitude and tactics of the manager… Look at the difference Di Canio has made at the Scum. I can tell you now he is far from a great manager. But he is positive and passionate and he transfers that to his players… Pardews “I just want us to limp over the line” doesn’t exactly inspire does it? He sets his team up in what is essentially a 4-5 (incredibly deep) and 1. He focuses on the opposition strength and neglects our own strengths… All teams adopt the attitude of the manager. We are adopting Pardews negative, arrogant, bottling attitude… I honestly think we won’t pick up another win this season…
JJ(Quote)
Seems there are various viewpoints on our problems, some blaming the players others the owner and of course both the manager and coaches.
personally it is IMO a combination of all three.
Though I believe it’s primarily the fault of Ashley, who continues to make all of the decisions.
Take last season, the press hacks were praising him and NUFC, a well run club comes to mind, that accompanied by a top five finish, convinced Ashley he had got it right after a fairly slow learning curve, up until then.
Soh ! what happened ?
He nickeled and dimed on buying players in the summer, when every dog in the street knew we had a tough schedule with the European games, a few injuries and, well you all know the story……
Now we should all be aware that every successful side in the PL has a money man who takes care of the financial end, plus is involved in expanding the brand name on a worldwide basis.
We have Llambias, who couldn’t manage a healthy bowel movement IMO .
Others have managers with track records or young up and coming managers, who understand the modern game, we got a retread who has won jack **** and a coaching staff who have coached us in set pieces to where we have’nt scored a goal from a corner kick in months.
We think Carr is infallible but paying over seven million for Anita, who is not much better than Perch and less versatile, could have been better spent elsewhere.
Amalfitano who, ? what was he about ?
Anyway my point is that slow learning curve continues, I mean who does Ashley being he makes all the decisions , talk to about football ?
Until he hires a GM / Director of football and a real manager, we are in for more business as usual.
Yes that same slow learning curve will continue.
but then what do I know ?,
chuck(Quote)
Trouble is, we were set up to defend in the first half, yet we couldn’t even do that… That’s our defensive side and 2-0 down after the first 20 mins or so? That’s bad…
Cologne-toon(Quote)
Sharpy, you make a good point. But for them ALL to be so so bad suggests it stems from something bigger and deeper than just lack of effort… Or there must be an underlying reason for their lack of effort…
JJ(Quote)
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/update/2013-04-28/toon-talk-fanzine-editor-pardew-should-stay/
Beardsleys Boots(Quote)
Hoping the Mackems win and the rest of the teams around us don’t pick up anymore points for the remainder of the season is not how I envisaged this season to be ending! That’s the sad truth though. If something doesn’t change I can’t even see us getting a draw out of the last three games.
I’m normally very positive about things but the last few games have knocked the **** out of me!
No Fight. No Passion. No Nothing!!!
Oblong(Quote)
JJ – you also seem confident that Pardew and Colo fell out over tactics?! – wasn’t it down to Colo wanting to **** off back to Argie no nowt?!, wasn’t that down to Colo having marital problems – I can’t prove that but neither can you mate.
As for being professionals – yeah they are PL and international footballers and earn a bloody good wage, that as well as personal pride should be more important than who’s in charge.
Pardew has only been in charge 2 and a bit seasons – and signed most of these players by the way!. They were happy to play his way when they signed!. If they have lost faith in him in less than a season then they are a fickle bunch of bastards. But if they have, I’d expect them to secure themselves PL status for next season – being that its only 3 points they need – then once safe they can make their protest or case for wanting a new manager.
Don’t forget mate, we get relegated and there will be staff at the club who loose jobs!. This is bigger than players spitting dummies about tactics!.
Survival then sort their problems out.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Chuck. Actually. If I’d only read that post and not the drivel you’ve written in the past. I’d say you are pretty much spot on with that assessment…
JJ(Quote)
@Bootsy
I agree with Steve Wraith in that video.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Boots/Troy – I also agree with that – as a contributing factor, or maybe even the source of our problems this season. But it does excuse Pardews poor tactical play this season – ie changing a 4-3-1-2 system that worked for us last season to 4-2-3-1 and playing Cisse as a loan CF which he’s not!. It also doesn’t excuse below average performances by too many players in our squad – for example, name me your player of the season?
Sharpy17(Quote)
Thank you Chuck, I’ve been saying for a while Carr’s genius is overhyped.
Way more misses than hits.
funkyjesus(Quote)
I agree it’s been a slow learning curve Chuck @62 but is it pointed up or down? Some could argue we are actually a worse side than the one that brought us back up out of the Championship but I would say most of the actual dross on the pitch comes down to Pardew and his coaching staff. We saw excellent performances when the French players first arrived. Everyone was praising them and Carr as well. Then Pardew and the gang got their hands on them. A few dozen coaching sessions and lo and behold. Complete rubbish from all of the players.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
The Steve Wraith comments are fairly reasonable given the situation. I’ve had my turn on here blaming Ashley as well and I stick by it. He is a complete clown as far as football goes, as is his sidekick Derek. How we will ever achieve consistent, quality football with those two fools in charge is a huge mystery to me. How much has the Newcastle brand name grown with Llambias as managing directior? Other than being financially realistic what has Ashley done for us? Hired a bunch of yes men and former drinking pals who are clueless that’s what.
GeordieTwo(Quote)
Totally agree with nearly everything JJ is saying.
Just take Sunderland as an example. They were in free fall and with out a doubt heading straight for relegation under MO. They couldn’t string two passes together or score to save their lives. Not one of their player would of got into our first team (even with us only playing slightly better than them).
PDC comes in and almost instantly his winning mentality rubs off on them and they pick up two very good wins on the bounce. They look like a completely different side than what they were a few months back, devoid of ideas and plummeting to the Championship.
The Manager dictates how the team should be thinking, feeling and playing if one of these is not in the right way then the manager is failing. Pardew has destroyed the teams confidence with his negativity and his LOSER mentality.
I think as soon as he leaves it will be like a breath of fresh air for the players to no longer have to suffer his incompetence and negativity.
Santii(Quote)
As soon as he season is over I would have Pardew out the door so fast his feet don’t touch the ground. Unbelievable mess he’s left us with. We played some extra games this year. So what? Are we supposed to play badly enough that we never get back into Europe to avoid extra games? We know Ashley won’t put out enough money to fund a big highly skilled squad to tackle the extra games but we can’t just collapse because we’ve been in Europe. The more I see of Pardew the more lost he looks and his team selection has gotten worse and worse if that’s possible. Unbelievable at the level.
GeordieTwo(Quote)