A penalty from Hatem Ben Arfa and a fortuitous strike from Yoan Gouffran cancelled out Loic Remy’s opener for QPR giving the Magpies just their second away win of the season.
It wasn’t a great performance as both sides struggled, but with the bulk of the pressure on United I’m extremely happy to say that we came out on top in the end which was ultimately all that mattered. People can be critical about the way we played or the football on show, but getting the three points and sorting out which league we’d be playing in next season mattered more than any of that yesterday, and on that score it was job done.
The reason we’re safe is because Aston Villa and Wigan play each other on the final day of the season next week, and both sides can’t overtake us. Mind you I have a feeling that it could all be over by then anyway as Wigan must first travel to Arsenal and win on Tuesday to ensure they enter that final game against Villa with at least a fighting chance. Still, at least we’re out of it…
Newcastle started off poorly and struggled to get into the game. Indeed it was an error on the part of Mathieu Debuchy who gifted QPR the chance to take the lead by conceding a penalty although replays have subsequently shown that Debuchy’s infringement was outside the penalty area and shouldn’t have resulted in the spot-kick that Newcastle target Loic Remy duly fired past Rob Elliot.
However just seven minutes later United were level after Jose Bosingwa decided he wanted to swap shirts early with Hatem Ben Arfa leavin referee Lee Probert little choice but to award a penalty to the away which Hatem Ben Arfa smashed home via the underside of the crossbar.
United could have grabbed the lead soon after had Papiss Cisse’s powerful header not been ruled out for a marginal offside call, but good news was on the horizon as Jose Bosingwa dropped another clanger by leaving his back pass to Rob Green short which allowed Jonas Gutierrez to close down the former England ‘keepers clearance with the rebound falling to the feet of Yoan Gouffran who volleyed home into an empty net from 25 yards out.
Gutierrez could have sealed the points in the second half but Shaun Derry had other ideas and cleared his header off the line leading to a nervy ending which saw Newcastle reduced to ten men ten minutes before full-time after Rob Elliot picked up his second booking after being adjudged to have handled outside the box.
As I said, it wasn’t pretty but I always knew it was never going to be a game for the archives. However we did get what we wanted from it which was three points and Premier League safety assured, and for that alone I’m over the moon!
One more game to go and the inquests and planning for next season can begin in earnest. I don’t know what the club have planned regarding the future of Alan Pardew, for transfers in or out or anything like that, but at least we know we can plan to be in the big league again.
Howay the lads!
QPR: Rob Green, Jose Bosingwa, Nedum Onuoha, Clint Hill, Armand Traore, Andros Townsend, Jermaine Jenas, Stephane Mbia, Junior Hoilett, Loic Remy, Bobby Zamora
Subs: Brian Murphy, Fabio, Shaun Derry, Park Ji-Sung, Adel Taarabt, Jamie Mackie, Esteban Granero
Newcastle: Rob Elliot; Mathieu Debuchy, Fabricio Coloccini, Mike Williamson, Mapou Yanga-Mbiwa; Cheik Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez; Hatem Ben Arfa, Yoan Gouffran, Papiss Cisse
Subs: Steve Harper, Danny Simpson, James Perch, Vurnon Anita, Sylvain Marveaux, Gabriel Obertan, Adam Campbell
Attendance: 17,278
ST – cos it probably worked last may and it doesn’t now 😛
somit is broke then it needs fixing
simples 🙂
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
Pards’ comments over the last few days should guarantee the sack. If they didn’t then the performance yesterday should. Why whenever we lead does he adopt this bloody siege mentality. His way of helping was to bring on Obertan. Out out out.
georgio(Quote)
fckin rob idiot playing with half a brain yesterday then was shocked to be sent off 😕
batty(Quote)
JJ do you agree that Pardew was a miracle worker last season? Most fans tipped us for a season of struggle, went into the season with one, potentially injury prone, striker and a lack of experience and cover throughout.
Was it second most clean sheets in the league? 6th highest goal scorers in the league.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
@Difsb & JJ
I’ve explained my opinions about Martinez. I’m fully aware of the value our defenders cost and Wigans.
You disagree with me. I disagree with you. I can’t put my views any differently.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Pardew said in August: “Europe and the League Cup are not our priorities, we are going to concentrate on the Premier League and the FA Cup.”
Avoided relegation by the skin of our teeth and out of the FA Cup to Brighton first round…
Well you can tick off “job done”, well done. You’re words are so inspiring… 😆
JJ(Quote)
We were 5th last season and qualified for Europe. It went to the final day and we could have made the CL.
Wigan were 16th.
Yes, this season hasn’t been good enough and everyone at the club has under performed.
If it happens again then Pardews excuses will have run out. I can’t be any more clear on my views about Pardew, the club and expectations.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
It’s all good and well saying we could get in a top manager simply by paying 3-4 million more than we’re paying Pardew. Yes, that would be the going rate, and Ashley might just stump up the dosh.
However, the crux, as always, is that Ashley will not allow a manager free reign in transfers.. He will always undermine them by selling best players. Milner with Keegan, Given with Kinnear, Carroll with Pards. Such control is always paramount for top managers (see O’neil 😉 ) resignation.
Equally he will be stingy and only invest when his back is to the wall. You can quote Pardew and slam him all you like, if you genuinely think he didn’t want any players in the summer your off your rocker. He’s taken stick for not badmouthing Ashley and now as soon as he does he’s looking for more excuses. Maybe he is, but it doesn’t mean he isn’t bang on. The owner should have backed him in the summer, enough said.
Managers like Benitez want money to burn and wages to match. While I have always ridiculed Steve Wraith’s 20k a week wages (because it’s a total farce) we still won’t ever compete with Liverpool, which means we will only ever be 7th best in terms of our kitty and our wages.
If we bring in someone much better willing to work under such constraints then fairplay lets go for it. What I don’t want is-sack, “back me”-no/resign, appoint Kinnear, relegation.
Thanks but no thanks.
Newkie(Quote)
cool troy
youve answered with reasons that make sense
😀
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
I agree with Troy it’s not the value of martinez’s defence that makes them concede goals but the way that the team is set up to constantly be on the attack. Now that might work with our international class squad but it would be a big risk that I’d rather not take.
Andymag(Quote)
them commentaitors on football 1st need sacked ,not mathematicley safe 😯 knobs heads
batty(Quote)
people have rafa wrong – hes not a spend loadsa money manager
at Liverpool he worked under a budget, same at valencia and he has no say on anything but the team and tactics on a gameday at chelsea
i think people misunderstand MA (though he is a ****)
if rafa comes to him and he wants a player within budget MA would sanction
whether DL could negotiate is a different story
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
OK another thing for all the people refusing to acknowledge the circumstances a new manager would have had to deal with had they arrived wen Hughton did:
Not counting June/July, Pardew has been here for 26 footballing months, for 6 of those months he had no half decent strikers – when Carroll was sold, when ACON was on.
For 11 months he has had just one – either Carroll/Ba/Cisse. So for only 9 months of the 27 has he had two strikers to properly choose from.
Take that into your consideration when you think any manager would “jump at the chance”. And consider that when you are comparing it to other managers records here.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
ST – stop it with the excuses will you!!
they are tiring!!
every manager and football club has there own problems. last year we were lucky this year not. it happens
no excuses anymore, tired of them 🙄
hopefully if he stays they sort out coaching and playing depth of talent
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
*typo on the 27
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Saying on Facebook there’s going to be announcement tonight on radio ? Is he going is he staying anyone heard anything
Ice pup(Quote)
What is odd is that very strangely the players all seem to support Pardew. He must fill their heads with so much nonsense. Very odd.
I’m not a Marinez fan but Laudrup? Personally I think Pards has been told his job is safe and we’re stuck with another dreadful season of **** football whoever we sign. Oh joy.
georgio(Quote)
Solano,
Last season, I don’t think Pardew was a miracle worker at all.
I couldn’t possibly complain about the results. They were excellent, but nearly every game I watched I thought we were lucky. That’s my honest opinion.
I thought we were excellent against Man United. Stoke away, Stoke at home and against Blackburn. The rest we scrapped results. Like it or not, we had a golden fortunate season.
As for the rest, I think absolutely everything that could possibly go for us went our way.
But how could I possibly complain about Pardew when we got such good results.
After nearly every game, I would sit starring at the television, saying. I can’t believe we won that game. Because it felt like we were outplayed.
But our defence was excellent, and we fought hard and Ba and Cisse were only fire scoring some unbelievable goals.
I never expected the same this season, but I thought if Ashley invested we could get close. He didn’t, but I still expected a minimum of top 10.
Our squad was more than good enought for that.
But the luck turned against, us, our players lost confidence. We brought in five top players and tried to convert them into Pardew’s long ball style and it all failed badly.
Now I think we have a very talented technical squad, but a manager that although not bad, just isn’t able to play/oach the type of football that would get the best out of these players.
So we’ve gone massively backwards.
I think if Pardew had the same team Hughton had, with Cabaye there he’d have done very well. But these players and his style are a terrible match.
JJ(Quote)
@DIFSB
It’s not excuses, it’s trying to address that some fans are being completely blind in their dislike for Pardew.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
All Newcastle United FC Fans
Apparently there will be announcement on radio Newcastle’s totalsport tonight about Alan PARDEW
Ice pup(Quote)
That’s the link on Facebook so anyone hear out shout up I’m curious as hell
Ice pup(Quote)
ST they are excuses 😯
excuses we were missing players to international games
excuses we had injuries
excuse we had more games
excuses we had one striker for x months out of b
this is the managers job and he is judged on that regardless of circumstances
this is football, how it always has been and will be 😛
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
well ime with this guy
http://www.newcastleunited-mad.co.uk/news/tmnw/alan_pardew_joe_harvey_would_turn_in_his_grave_795235/index.shtml?
icedog(Quote)
@JJ
I’m afraid I can’t carry on the debate with someone that doesn’t have anything but praise for Pardew’s performance last season. Mourinho wasn’t exactly famed for exciting football at Chelsea but he got results. I agree the performances weren’t amazing, but 65 points is one of our highest ever totals.
Defence of Simpson – Williamson – Coloccini – Raylor for the most part and we kept the second highest amount of clean sheets!
3rd best PL manager we have had by default.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
ice probably to announce he is staying and the board back him
DOITFORSIRBOBBY(Quote)
Solano,
IF Pardew stays…
I’d want this team next season…
______________________Krul_______________________
Debuchy________Taylor________Colo__________Hadaira
Albrighton_______Sissoko______Cabaye________Ben Arfa
________________Cisse_______Carroll_______________
I think playing his style we’d do well (top 8) with that kind of team. But knowing him he’d still put in Jonas and play two defensive midfielders.
Long diagnal balls to Carroll and Cisse to feed off the knock downs. With Cabaye playing quarter back. Sissoko driving forward from midfield to be the extra man in the box and Ben Arfa creating that little bit of magic when needed.
Decent old fashion football. But we’d need someone who can whip in a cross and can up and down the touchline (like a fit Albrighton). And if Carroll got injured we’d be back to our usual long ball to nobody.
Chances of him getting injured = very good apparently.
JJ(Quote)
Basically Pardew has done **** this year, and he isn’t a top quality manager, but he isn’t as **** as some are making out, so we would have to pay top wedge to get someone that will properly improve us.
Like it or not, we finished above CL winners last year with a side most thought would struggle. If it was so easy than why aren’t any other teams breaking the power 5? Liverpool haven’t finished in the top 5 since 2008/2009.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano,
I think it was a one off… George Burley finished fifth with a poor Ipswich team. Does that make him a genius manager. These one offs are far more common that managers that given time take there team up.
In fact its far more common that given time things deteriate.
I think Pardew is far more likely to be a George Burley than a David Moyes.
JJ(Quote)
Ice @173
I’m with you mate.
Solano, they may not have finished top five but they certainly haven’t finished bottom half too often.
JJ(Quote)
Oh, and they’ve picked up a bit of silverware along the way too.
JJ(Quote)
@JJ
I think it’s mental you are even slightly jibing Pardew for not winning any silverware.
Well it’s not more likely is it as Burley took them down whereas Pardew kept them up. Regardless, you would be hard pushed to find any Ipswich fans that don’t praise Burley for that season; yet you would find a lot of Newcastle that don’t give Pardew any? Ridiculous.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Solano,
Ipswich are absolute minnows compared to Newcastle! We are a club that should be finishing top six most seasons. We are in the top 20 richest in the world. Huge, ground, huge support base.
For Ipswich to finish 5th was unreal. For Wigan to win the FA Cup unbelievable. I personally think people have overhyped Pardew’s accomplishment of finishing 5th, far more so than supporters who make too much of his failures in almost getting us relegated.
JJ(Quote)
I think people taking that Europa league comment as serious as that guy need to chill. Obviously Pardew wants us to be in europe, he also tried to win it and again, but for two absolutely shocking INDIVIDUAL errors we’d have been set up nice for it. I think Pards is probably making a slight joke about it-as almost every PL manager seems to do. He probably wants us to stabilise as this year it was too much too soon considering the youth and fringe didn’t step up. There was a lot of pressure released after the QPR match, take a light hearted comment for what it is man 😕
Newkie(Quote)
Has anyone seen any evidence at all that Pardew can change his tactics or approach. I haven’t but I would be happy to be proved wrong. He clearly doesn’t like players with flair Sorry but I think he is as bad as some say.
Groucho(Quote)
@JJ
Then why did most (of our own) supporters think we were going to struggle at the start of last season? 😕
You’re starting to sound like the sort of Newcastle fan that is going to get us ridiculed mate so I’d calm it. We are *****, we basically always have been. Look up how many times we’ve finished in the top 6 in the last two decades, then look up how many times we have finished in the bottom 12. Bottom line is the football, in football terms we are usually terrible with a sprinkling of awesome. Pardew was the third manager of the PL era to bring us that awesome so I don’t think his accomplishments last year can be hyped up enough.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Newkie,
In the current mind set of supporters, its like joking:
“Oh, so your grandmother died, but thank God you don’t have to go visit at the Old Age home anymore!”
It may be a joke, but there is a level of professionalism needed for managers at this level, and he just doesn’t have it.
JJ(Quote)
Last year was our joint 7th best league finish in the past 50 years. 😯 Yet some refuse to give Pardew a bucket load of credit for it. We have struggled far more than we have soared. Lets not start the “we are a big club” thing, other fans mock us for it as fan base and money aside we have no justification to say that. Over and out.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
“@JJ
Then why did most (of our own) supporters think we were going to struggle at the start of last season? :???:”
You’d have to ask them. I’ve always had realistic expectations. IMO for us to be regular top 10 finishers is not unrealistic at all.
I also don’t see how anyone would ridicule any fan who feels Alan Pardew isn’t up to the job at Newcastle. Not if that fan is ambitious and wants us to play good football and win something one day.
After all, at the end of the day, football is supposed to be entertainment isn’t it? I’m sorry, but I’d like to be entertained.
JJ(Quote)
Solano,
We are without any doubt in the top 8 clubs in England. So to expect a top 10 finish while playing decent football is not exactly asking a lot.
JJ(Quote)
JJ@176 – Who exactly is going to be doing the defending in that team? You have Haidara exposed behind Ben Arfa (he’s not as workshy as he used to be, but don’t count on cover), Debuchy charging up the other flank (because he’s still Debuchy), and you want Sissoko to play an attacking role. So it’s up to Cabaye to dictate the play and shield a three man defence?!
That’s a recipe for relegation.
Wellington(Quote)
JJ-How is it anything like comparing it to bereavement mate? Sorry pal that’s a load of *****, just like I also think STaylor was bang out of order bringing up family deaths. I love the toon but jesus christ, get your head screwed on.
As for levels of professionalism, i’m sure you can look at all the best managers in the world and nitpick if you like.
Newkie(Quote)
Then why has it been so difficult over the past half a century?
And tbh when I say that sort of thing to non-nufc supporting mates they dispute that we even have a better team than teams like West Brom, we might think that’s mad, but we’re not exactly impartial.
I agree, as I have done in the past JJ, that you weren’t one of the fans that have suddenly flipped on their pre season predictions, I just really can’t understand how you don’t give Pardew praise for last year. I can easily say he’s been shocking this year.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
http://mobile.nufc.co.uk/default.aspx?s=news-display&aid=3177250
What a numpty 😆
Andymag(Quote)
@Newkie
I agree. Awful comparison.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Groucho @184 – yes. Take the last game as an example: we played 4-4-2/3-4-3 in the first half, then switched to a rigid 4-4-2 to defend the lead. The team was nervous and their play wasn’t particularly exciting, but Pardew’s tactics kept the pressure off our defenders in the second half.
Wellington(Quote)
So at least that’s over. We don’t have to worry…about being relegated at least.
All I ask for is that a decision is made soon about Pardew. Back him or sack him. Give the next manager time to adjust. We’ve seen how sacking a manager in September/October can play out terribly (see Souness in for Robson or the Keegan departure). Whoever it is needs to rebuild the squad in their own image. If they are not to sack him they need to be very clear on that very soon.
IMHO I’m with Troy- I don’t believe the regime will get in a top manager and chopping and changing mediocrity doesn’t work. We’ve seen it before.
Pardew has made several major mistakes- being too conservative (eg Reading game at home when we should have gone for them but sat back and lost), the lack of team spirit and morale (the drubbings at home were pitiful) but he deserves a chance to put it right. He wasn’t a stellar manager just because of one season last year and he isn’t a dreadful one this year. He’s a mediocre boss just like so many that just revolve around clubs (Bruce, McCarthy etc) but I don’t believe we would get an up grade.
sjp14(Quote)
Wellington,
You seem to have the same logic as Pardew.
You want the entire team to defend and have nobody to attack?
Firstly, you have THREE centre backs covering. They are called defenders because believe it or not… their job is to defend.
Hadaira likes to get up the field but he does defend. Most attacking wing backs perform that role. Evra, Jordi Alba, etc. They may be better but are the same type of player.
The same goes for Debuchy. They would have more freedom to get forward because they are covered by three defenders. Not just two.
This allows the wingers to do what they are supposed to do… create and score! Not cover the defenders arses like Pardew has our wingers do. They can still defend, but they should be defending higher up the pitch. Do you see then likes of David Silva and Mata playing as wing backs?
Cabaye would play the same role Carrick does for Man United. He’s a defensive midfielder who plays from the back as a playmaker when in possession and shields the centre backs when not in possession.
He does this anyway so it wouldn’t make any change.
Sissoko would defend and attack. That is what a box-to-box midfielder is supposed to do! At the moment we have no midfielders that get forward which means the gap between the midfield and striker is far too big, hence the long hopeful balls.
So by my count that’s a goalkeeper, three outright defensive players, and four players who defend and provide movement and creativity.
Then you have your forwards. Just because they play up field doesn’t mean they don’t defend. They defend high up the field, they pressure and press opponents and they track any runs being made if we aren’t in possession.
I know it may seem like it under Pardew, but players don’t remain static on the field. They actually are supposed to move… SHOCK I KNOW! 😯
JJ(Quote)
well everyone has there view and rightly so,but ive been going to sjp longer than some of you lads have candles on your cake and seen the good (not much) the bad and the ugly,but imo we were so close to having a real good team in a long time,jabba has let us down when nearly there,but pardew screwed up the players in a number of ways with his ****.
ive heard on the grapvine that toon will make a statement tonight i just hope its true and jabba bins pardew
icedog(Quote)
Groucho@184 – or, if you won’t believe me, then take Cox’s word for it:
“Pardew changed shape at half-time, showcasing his flexibility by moving to a 4-3-3 with the same players he‘d started with. ” (http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/08/20/newcastle-2-1-tottenham-pardew-switches-formation-ben-arfa-excels-in-both-systems/)
“After the second goal the away side were clearly in the ascendency, so Pardew was forced to make a tactical change. In 2012 he’s often made switches between 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 and 4-4-2, using Ba as either a forward or a wide midfielder and tucking Jonas Gutierrez inside. Today’s change was different – he moved Gutierrez into the middle, but shifted Cisse rather than Ba to the (right) flank, which meant Hatem Ben Arfa moving to the opposite wing. This was a recognition that Ba was Newcastle’s main attacking threat, having scored all five of their previous league goals.
The move unquestionably steadied the ship. ” (http://www.zonalmarking.net/2012/10/08/newcastle-0-3-manchester-united-fergusons-diamond-forces-newcastle-to-change-shape/)
Wellington(Quote)
Newkie,
Christ, I’ve never met anyone who has as little lateral thinking as you do… Do you only see black and white?
Do you seriously take EVERYTHING I say 100% literally. It was an example of people saying the wrong thing at the wrong time.
If Pardew was unaware that his timing of a comment like that was very poor, then he is a complete idiot. And you aren’t far behind for defending him.
And I’m not surprised you and Trumpet always agree, you both talk as much drivel as each other… 😉 😆
Actually, Trumpet sometimes has a good argument. So thats a bit unfair on him. 😆
JJ(Quote)
Look I think the biggest problem is that the players have not bought into Pardews game plans this season. Players have to believe that what they are doing is going to work and they will win games. If they are playing with no belief then it will show. We have no movement off the ball so it results in it getting it hoofed down the park. There has been a real lack or urgency in our team and it has had a big impact on results. To say Pardew is setting up to play hoof ball is a joke, it ends up being that because of the lack off effort while we are in possesion of the ball….anyway…
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
ime with JJ and many others just in case anyone does not know where i stand 😉
icedog(Quote)
@Wellington
Jesus the state of that defence in the second link mate. Top 8 my ****.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Aussie @201
I agree… 😀
I basically said that @197. There is virtually no off the ball movement. Our players are often running into each other because they simply don’t seem to know exactly what they are supposed to do when in possession.
Eventually they run out of options and it gets punted long with the hope someone can run onto it. Usually Cisse who is either left isolated or he simply doesn’t have the pace to get it.
Do you think its a communication problem (language) or just poor training? Or do you think the players aren’t happy with the system Pardew is trying to implement as they feel it just isn’t their game?
JJ(Quote)
@JJ
You go girl…… 😆 😆
@Ice
you old fart i hope you are right 😀
Santii(Quote)
JJ@197
“Firstly, you have THREE centre backs covering”
This is the team you put forward:
______________________Krul_______________________
Debuchy________Taylor________Colo__________Hadaira
Albrighton_______Sissoko______Cabaye________Ben Arfa
________________Cisse_______Carroll_______________
It only has two central defenders. I don’t care how sophisticated you think your tactics are – two is not equal to three.
Wellington(Quote)
Haha, anyway…
If the fans can’t agree then thank goodness we don’t go with “Fans Should Own The Club’s” concept.
Can you imagine… we’d all be killing each other within three months. There’d be bed sheets out every week. 😆
JJ(Quote)
“We just ran out of legs and xxxxxxx were far the better team in the second half. But I can’t be critical of my side because the running they had to do on Txxxxxxxx night, against a really top side, it had its bearing on today’s result, no doubt about that.
“The two full-backs, are knackered and the two central midfielders tired badly. We kept giving the ball away and it made it a long day for us, going from one penalty box and back to our own.”
Typical Pards quote……….. only it’s actually from Fergie on ManUres defeat to Chelski, don’ t think we can only blame Pards for using this excuse as they all do it
Oh and no chance of Remy coming to Toon as he would have to halve his wages…. he went to QPR as they offered him 80k a week….. has everyone on here got Alzeimers???
stevep(Quote)
Just a few more facts for people to give some more balance.
Appearances this season by some of the “purples”:
Krul – 24
Simmo/Debuchy combined – 30
Coloccini – 20
S Taylor – 23
Tiote – 20
Cabaye – 23
Ben Arfa – 14
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
SANTII i hope its true to mate,not so much of the old,its not dave your talking too 😀 and by the way its on F/B now so maybe its right
icedog(Quote)
Wellington,
Oh, we’re on about totally different things…
I was talking about the team under a Martinez formation… which I really liked…
_____________________Krul_________________________
___________Taylor____Coloccini____Mbiwa______________
Debuchy_____________________________________Santon
______________Sissoko_________Cabaye______________
_______Ben Arfa_______________________Marvauex_____
______________________Cisse_______________________
JJ(Quote)
Solano@203 – I think you’re forgetting that THERE ARE NO EXCUSES!!!!! 😆
Wellington(Quote)
JJ, you never basically said what I did 🙂 🙂
Mate, I honestly believe that they haven’t truly bought into Pardews plans. Now whether it is because they are **** or because he has instilled them into the playing group, who knows. You can see that they don’t believe in what they are doing… when things get tough on the park, you need to resort/fallback to what you know works.. if you are unsure as to what that is, well you are in trouble..
Aussie Magpie Fan(Quote)
As for the formation you brought up… I was suggusting that if Pardew stayed, we’d have to go with a quality target man and two wingers who could actually cross the ball.
I agree, the defence would be very weak on the left side but I’m trying to put myself into Pard’s head and see exactly what kind of football he’d want us to play. If Santon played left back, would be the same. If Jonas played left wing, we’d have no creativity again.
But it does prove my point, that the style of football Pards is trying to play just doesn’t suit our squad. Even if we did get Carroll, we’d probably score more goals but still concede a bucket load.
JJ(Quote)
Aussie,
You are saying, you don’t think the players are buying into Pardew’s plans… Ie. They don’t really like his structure and feel uncomfortable. So they are lost on the pitch with him in charge.
Exactly mate… 😉 😀 Spot on!
JJ(Quote)
JJ @ 211 – I don’t think that one’s so bad. It lacks pace up front and I would expect HBA & Marveaux to both drift into the middle, which could become a bit predictable with Sissoko making runs through the same zone. It would probably be better to invert the front three and put HBA behind two forwards (Cisse/Gouffran at present). We’d also need to sign another central defender to avoid coming unstuck.
However, given our stature, we need to accept that there are games where a more attacking or more defensive approach is necessary. With a few rare exceptions, every club in the top leagues tailors their match team to meet the opposition. Pardew is actually quite good at this, though this season saw him stymied by injuries.
Wellington(Quote)
Ice @198
There was football before Shearer? 😯 😉
There’s constantly rumours of ‘announcements to be made’ usually its nothing or on one occasion it turned out to be the Wonga deal.
Speaking of which are they still likely to lose their loaning licence (government cracking down on loan companies to sort themselves out)? If they do lose it would they still be our sponsor and is the money they gave us for the deal still ours? (No loan interest jokes please 🙄 )
Andymag(Quote)
JJ@214 – given that the formation you proposed is nothing like a Pardew team, I don’t think you’ve proven your point about managing to get into his head. Quite the opposite, in fact.
Wellington(Quote)
How the hell do you change the little avitar thing? I’m tired of wor Clarence now 😆
Oblong(Quote)
Well now we’re safe I’d suggest giving Pards 8 games of next season, yes this has been a nightmare of a season but he has had mitigating factors i.e. injuries to key players, top goalscorer leaving and not replaced and a small squad of quality players.
Gelling all our new Jan signings was always going to be a big ask and I think they’ll play a lot better as a squad after a pre season.
Think Cabaye, Marvs and Anita might go and most likely Collo – so Pards will have ready made excuses for next year as well ….. we found it hard to replace Cabaye who was a top top player for us…. blah blah
stevep(Quote)
JJ, don’t get me wrong, I truly believe he has lost the group and needs to go but only if It is for a big step in managers and I don’t mean anyone who’s name starts with Roberto 🙂 🙂
Not believing in a plan or structure doesn’t have to be a conscious thing to play badly. It can be something that sits at the back of your mind but it can still drag you down. You can say all the right words to the press about fighting or the cause etc but you need to feckin believe it..
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___________Taylor____Coloccini____Mbiwa______________
Debuchy_____________________________________Santon
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Decent too, but I’d like to get a striker with decent pace that can actually hold the ball up well too. Benteke would be class but unrealistic I guess.
So we’d actually need another striker, centre back, full back and attacking midfielder.
JJ(Quote)
ANDYMAG who is shearer 😀 there is always **** flying about ive read a lot on hear 😉
icedog(Quote)
OBLONG@219 just go to FAQ at top of blog mate 😉
icedog(Quote)
Ice is so old even his memories are in black and white 🙂 🙂
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