A few weeks back I wrote an article about the choice of a win in our next game and three points or Pardew getting sacked on the back of another loss. The response, dare I say it, leaned a little toward sacrificing the three points if it were to mean we were rid of Pardew.
Of course it was a hypothetical question and as it turned out, we only sacrificed two points after a draw with Hull…and Pardew remained in charge. The next game was another draw, this time against Swansea and even with the point gained, we still have not moved out of the relegation places on the table. That was a week or two back and as we wait for the return of the season proper, to me, there seems to be a real need growing amongst the fans, the players and Pardew to get a win from our next game. However, I believe our next game is about much more than the three points on offer. This international break has given everyone time to reflect of what has transpired to date and I get the feeling that most fans will now put aside their disdain for Pardew and will be desperately hoping for that first win. I am not suggesting that anyone was hoping that we would lose games, it was just that a few weeks back, things didn’t seem so dire. Also the players really need a boost that only a win can provide. The longer our win-less steak goes on the more pressure will go on the players. To me they are already playing with too much fear and I would dread to see it get any worse. Every on field mistake now seems to draw a exasperated groan from the crowd and the building tension can only have a detrimental effect on the players.
All that being said, I think Alan Pardew really needs the win more than anyone else. When he is down, it reflects in his teams performances. His nervous, try not to lose before we can win approach seems to be his best option this season. It would be nice to see him go all out and attack on the back of a good win but only time will tell if that ever happens.
So it is safe to say the three points would be nice for our position on the league table but I really think a win would be good for the soul of everyone associated with the club. I think everyone needs a pick me up and a win would go a long way to achieving that!
Cheers Aussie. Yeah we really need to start picking up points now before it gets too late. Pointless thinking another loss will end Percy’s reign, it’s clear it won’t because for what ever reason Jabba won’t kick him into touch, though god knows he really should. What I really want is to see us be competitive and assured at the back, our defence really concerns me. I just feel if we our tight and assured in defence we can nick a goal here and there. As it stands we set off on the back foot every game by keeping everyone back and inviting pressure too early. We need to get forward and try and snatch that first goal to settle everyone down and ease pressure at the back.
Me and Lew have rotten colds and need cheering up with a win this weekend and nowt less will do.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Even with a win we’ll probably only be 17th, gonna be a long hard season.
kIMTOON(Quote)
AMF: I think Pardew is done in terms of getting any lurve from our fans. Even a mid-table finish could never redeem him now. We need a win against Leicester to give us a chance to salvage our Premier League place in January. The Fat Man will spend if he sees that we might be relegated again – I just hope that Pardew hasn’t dug us into such a hole that we can’t get out of it.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
We need this win, simple as that – a win will keep us in touch with a whole swathe of other poor sides, and when you are limited like us, you need to win approaching half your home games – having already dropped points in winnable home games vs Palace and Hull, we really need to break that habit, of even if we do pick up, we’ll run out of games.
I think we’ll scrape it. It’s due. On performance (and clear chances) we should have taken three points off Villa and Hull. You don’t often get what you deserve, but I’ll go streaky 2 – 1.
GTE(Quote)
Good article Aussie, thanks.
Most fans see this upcoming match as an easy win. But that could just be wishful thinking.
A win is vital, yes, but tbh if we don’t beat them convincingly then there is no hope.
I think it will be tougher than many expect, due to the added pressure.
1-1 😕
Boots(Quote)
I think ropey 2-1 probably Cisse again
We probably wouldnt be 17th as Everton will draw at worst, But a win could put us 3 points of a european spot. Which does emphasise how early we are into the season as frustrating as its been
CC(Quote)
I know this is probably wanting too much, but we need not only a win but a convincing win IMO.
Only next 3 games after Leicester is Spurs, Man City (cup) and Liverpool.
We should be playing 4-4-2 in my opinion to get that width of Sammy and Obertan putting the ball in the box. Their biggest threat will be Vardys pace and Ulloas physicality against our CBs.
Pardews has 2 weeks to work on a game plan for these games coming up, so it will be interesting to see what changes he’s made.
Sharpy17(Quote)
A lot of people hoping a new manager will save us with Jan signings. I’d ask who is going to come to a club in relegation mire? Forget any signings they’ll be loans only. 😥
georgio(Quote)
Boots – I was typing at the same time, but I agree. Anything other than a convincing win is just 3 points.
CC – you’re right mate. It is very early in the season, but the rot is already setting in. The coming fixtures are going to make it very difficult to put any kind of run together – particularly in our current form. If we are going to avoid relegation.
Sharpy17(Quote)
That’s why a win’s so important Saturday, Georgio – This group of players has, Troy’s assessment notwithstanding been maintaining possession and creating chances. Cisse apart, they’ve also been blowing those chances, and the defence…well, ‘defence’. A win is vital not just for those next few games, but also to prove to the players themselves that they can win games, or it really will be getting too late.
GTE(Quote)
Georgio – Pullis went to Palace last season when they were in a similar position – why wouldn’t a manager come into Newcastle?.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Lose against Leicester, and one will probably need to Sharpy!
GTE(Quote)
GTE – I hope so mate, Ashley can’t keep burying his head and simply hope things will improve.
Sharpy17(Quote)
We hardly won convincingly under Pardew when we finished 5th. ld take the win however it happens, To get us going and looking up the table again
CC(Quote)
CC – when I say convincing I don’t mean 5 or 6 nil mate.
We can have a 1 or 2 nil convincing win, with a solid defensive display and creating plenty chances.
Sharpy17(Quote)
I hope Mike Ashley loses everything and goes bust. Leaving in a sports direct cardboard box with nothing. I hate the fucking parasite.
Terry(Quote)
I wouldn’t even throw a penny at him because he such a ****.
Terry(Quote)
It’s not even about this game n it’s own – after Leicester, Spuds and Dippers we could play well and get nowt, but then we have a run of games Against Baggies, Hammers, QPR and Burnley, that we’d normally expect to pick up points in – I get the sense that Ashley won’t sack Pardew if he thinks that the current squad can scrape enough points – 14 points by early December, I reckon. Lose to Leicester, and the confidence going in to that run of easier games will be shot. Then it’s too late even for Pulos or Moyes time.
GTE(Quote)
Lets not forget Leicester sit 12th with 2wins 3draws and just 2 losses, not a bad return from a newly promoted team and in fairness they have looked well drilled and confident on the couple of times I have watched them . They did well v Arsenal and Everton getting vital draws and beat Stoke and ofcourse who can forget that crazy Manure game where they won 5.3 😯
kIMTOON(Quote)
GTE – if I were Moyes or Pullis I’d be waking up everyday hoping the phone rings and Ashley or Charnley were on the other end!!.
We are 2 wins away from 10th spot with an underperforming squad – I’d be chomping at the bit to be the toons savior.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sorry but I just can’t see where the next win comes from.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Kim – that’s what I mean. I think Leicester have been solid not more, but that’s been enough to match us – so I’m predicting in my normal hope, more than expectation – but if we don’t get that win, then it becomes more difficult against the likes of West Brom and Burnley.
Sharpy – that’s right, and if we do beat Leicester, fluke a point off the two games after and get our season going after that there’ll be no manager change anyway! In all relegation seasons, teams mess up runs of winnable games. I look at the fixtures and I think that 7 points from the easier run in November is a must, but am worried that without the Leicester win, we’ll need the kick up the **** a new manager would bring otherwise we won’t get that many points.
GTE(Quote)
Sharpy – I meant players not a new manager. They won’t sign for a relegation battle and the CCC next season.
georgio(Quote)
I agree with Kim. Those fans who think we are a shoe in to beat Leicester musn’t have watched them play. They are pretty tenacious and have played some decent stuff with some of their new signings. Don’t think they are going to roll over for us.
Accounts of Pardew looking much more chipper so hopefully that transfers to the much maligned team who’s confidence must be pretty low. Bet some of these new signings are wondering what the hell they’ve gotten into.
Aussie there is no way I will put aside my disdain for Pardew. I want the team to do enough to stay up, but want shot off him. I’ve been saying for the last two years that he is an awful manager and I can’t wait for the day the charlatan leaves. When fat man eventually gives him the boot I bet there will be plenty happy to throw their hat in the ring and willing to work under the ‘conditions’ Ashley dictates.
Geordie Deb(Quote)
GTE – I think we need that kick up the **** a new manager brings anyway mate. With it I think we would finish the season comfortably – without it we will stutter through and hope that 3 other teams do worse than us.
Georgio – sorry mate, I miss understood you there. To be fair, whether the players wanted to come or not, Ashley wouldn’t splash the cash freely anyway – whether it’s Pardew or a new manager.
Sharpy17(Quote)
De Jong said today that things are going well but he didn’t know when he would be back. They initially played down the injury, then he was on crutches for 6 weeks and the article I read said it is ligament damage.
This is not good news. Any ligament damage I have seen that requires crutches usually takes at least 6 months to heal. Look at Ryan Taylor, out twice for a year each time. I think the club have been telling porky pies on this. I hope I am wrong.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
“Most fans see this upcoming match as an easy win”…really? You must hang about with the last of the infamous “deluded” Toon fans. Been in Newcastle since Friday and haven’t spoke to a single fan who’s convinced we’ll win never mind win easily,
As for needing a convincing win? we don’t (though it would be nice) what we need is a win full stop…and soon!
richietoon(Quote)
Actually, the article said De Jong tore a tendon in his thigh. That’s the sort of thing where they disappear for months like Marveaux did.
I don’t want to dwell on this but Pardew said he was building his team around De Jong and there appears to have been no back up plan.
The injury reporting at Newcastle United seems so strange. Who knows about Santon? It took them weeks to report Cisse had broken his knee cap, BROKEN his knee cap, isn’t that quite easy to diagnose? I don’t see the point of hiding the seriousness of injuries but that seems to be what they do now. Goes along with the policy of banning the press?
With De Jong my recollection was that he was off for a scan and it was day to day. A week later he is on crutches for six weeks and out until at Christmas. Today’s update is that he doesn’t know when he will be back, so that sounds like a hell of a lot later than Christmas to me.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
At Pardew and Ashley’s Newcastle we get drip fed bad news. I am sure it is a club policy now because everything on the field is so bad and they don’t want to make it appear worse – is that my conspiracy theory or does anyone else see it?
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Building a team around one player is never a good idea as is having no plan b, but hey that seems to be our modus operandi nowadays .
kIMTOON(Quote)
How anyone can confidently predict a win is beyond me. Do some people just ignore the performances that has got us in the relegation zone. We are coming up to a quarter of the way through the season and we haven’t won.
It’s just blind faith and that type of mentality is just naive. Of course we could win. It’s football. But the evidence suggests we won’t.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
I honestly don’t know if our defence can cope this season. We are very leaky at the back. Pardew will still seat back like he always does then blame the fan’s for being to negative and its effecting the players etc.
Terry(Quote)
It’s OK Troy, Obertan and Ameobi will do the business for us. Two players that Pardew hasn’t featured for years are now our big hope. That’s what frustrates me about Pardew. And Cabella is supposed to be playing for France in a few hours time, but Pardew can’t figure out how to integrate him into our team.
I really don’t get our transfer policy. Perch seems like the perfect player for Pardew when we are protecting a lead and we sell him. Pardew then doesn’t use Ben Arfa, so we get him a mini-me version (Cabella).
Eric Sykes(Quote)
——————— Elliott ——————–
Janmaat – Willo – Colo – Dummett
Obertan – Tiote – Colback – Sammy
—————– Armstrong —————
——————– Cisse ——————–
The width definately suits Cisses game, and I think Armstrong has done enough to earn his chance in the first team.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Eric, I agree, I don’t get the Cabella thing at all, he is clearly a Benny replacement and Pards will soon tire of him. In fact his recent comments would suggest it’s starting already with, ” he needs to be stronger ” and ” he will need time to adjust ” .
kIMTOON(Quote)
Pards
“I was really pleased with Remy Cabella. He is such an important player for us, and I don’t think up to now he’s produced a performance that warrants his tag or the money we spent.
Talk about a backhanded compliment 😕
kIMTOON(Quote)
Newcastle United boss Alan Pardew is demanding more from Remy Cabella.
Pardew admits the Frenchman is yet deliver on his price-tag.
“We spent a lot of money on him (Cabella) and he hasn’t really delivered.
“It is difficult for him and Riviere to carry those shirts at this club.”
kIMTOON(Quote)
Eric
That’s how far we’ve gone back. Obertan and Ameobi are now our better players. They are both ****.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Kim – I read those comments about Cabella needing to be stronger.
It’s worrying what Pardews intentions for the lad is coz personally we should be playing to Cabellas strengths rather than trying to change him. When you look at the likes of Silva and Di Maria and players like that – they are hardly heavy weights, but are very effective
Sharpy17(Quote)
Kimtoon said
“Pards
“I was really pleased with Remy Cabella. He is such an important player for us, and I don’t think up to now he’s produced a performance that warrants his tag or the money we spent”
Talk about a backhanded compliment”
I think it is worse than that. Your manager comes out and slags you off to the world – in the press, and therefore your co-workers and everybody. How would that make you feel? I suppose it is Pardew thinking it would motivate the player, but that can sometimes backfire like with Ben Arfa.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Too soon to write off Cabella.
—————————–Elliott—————————
Janmaat——–Saylor——–Coloccini—–Dummett
————————–C. Tioté—————————–
—————-Colback———Cabella—————
—Obertan/Ayoze—————————–Sammy–
—————————-Cissé—————————-
Bench:Alnwick, Willo, Raylor/Haidara,Abeid, Sissoko, Armstrong, Ferreyra
Drop Gouffran, drop Riviere, and work hard to create chances for Cissé
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
For me thats the best team we can put at the moment. But I feel we have to sell Gouffran next transfert window and try to create space for Ayoze Armstrong Ameobi. Obertan deserves his chance and if he keeps doing the job, then Ive no problems to see him play. And have faith in Sammy, even as second striker ala Shola alongside Cissé, that could work for me.
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
And Kimtoon: this is why I think Pardew is such a bad manager. Because when things go wrong he turns on his players. And he does it publicly like when he blamed the kids for the Brighton loss and said they weren’t as good as he thought they were and he would loan them out. I can’t think of any other manager that does that, I mean shifts the blame and undermines players’ confidence. Especially to someone new to a city and country or to kids. Even if he is right, it is bad management to say it to the press.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Posted this last week regarding Cabella. Pards is going to ruin the guy
http://hereisthecity.com/en-gb/2014/10/08/0-goals-0-assists-but-heres-where-new-signing-is-stepping-up-for/
MDS(Quote)
Cholo: We haven’t seen enough of Cabella to make a judgement. I am not sure about Gouffran either. You sometimes see him as almost a second right-back or even left-back. I think he has been completely confused as to what his role is. Pardewed as people say now.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/newcastle-united-need-go-jugular-7936195
I think Quinn nails it. An attacking 4-3-3 this week and let Cabella create….
Janmaat-Willo-Collo-Dummett
Sissoko-Tiote-Colbeck
Obertan-Cisse-Cabella
MDS(Quote)
Eric – Goof scored 7 goals last season and I reckon he’s decent enough in and around the box. But he’s yet another player that Pardew has dicked about with – playing him left and right of an attacking midfield 3. For me he’s a number 10 or second striker by trade and would probably be affective played there. But coz Pardew is playing him out of position most games he looks poor.
Sharpy17(Quote)
ERIC SYKES- I can guarantee that Gouffran isnt good enough for us, he wasnt supposed to be signed at 1st place. Hes an honest Ligue1 player and NUFC was an opportunity too good to be turned down(money-wise) for him. He can do an honest job, but thats it, Id rather have Sammy Ayoze or Obertan playing ahead of him if its only to play on wings, but he’s a much better striker than Riviere who cost £6M, which makes think again and again whats the point with our scouting policy…
Id play Cabella in midfield with Colback and Tioté behind him, I feel he has decent understanding with Colback, and has the ability and the brain to create for Cissé from there. And for Sammy, his height is also an option to not underestimate too
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
From watching Ligue 1 since kid and living in France, I can honestly say that we should of only sign Cabaye and HBA from France. The combinaison of them 2 with the hard working players and chemistry we had after promotion was the good one. Its **** obvious weve gone too far with French hype… And people keep saying English players are overrated. English Internationals are, but If I remember, we signed Dyer from Ipswich, Jenas from Forrest, both from the Championship? Bellamy from Coventry?? Should take a look closer to english talents who see Newcastle as a big deal and not a stepping tone. Thats why I appreciate Joey Barton. And I still think we should of keep Simmo, Best and Guthrie (who was a REAL alternative to Cabaye) at NUFC
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
Cholo: I am not sure if you can judge Riviere yet either. He seems unsuitable as a lone striker but he seems to have some talent. He has snatched at a few chances but if he is settled he might take his time more.
I don’t think people appreciate that there is often an adjustment to a new city and country. The players like Cabella and Riviere are only 23 or 24 and the spotlight is immediately on them. I am sure there are plenty of distractions with all of their new found wealth and French accents and all the girls throwing themselves at them. You might say we should all be so lucky, but it has only been a couple of months and most of us take a while to settle. I have moved a few times and I know I did. That is why I don’t think it is good to make snap judgments.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric Sykes- Really hope Riviere proves me wrong, I know that pace is an important quality for a PL striker, but if we’re about to be patient with him, Id like to see us try Ferreyra. Im really not sure that Riviere will be a hit, I see him more as the huge gamble of our transfert window.
Cholo A. Sall(Quote)
Aussie tell the wife that was another good read 😉
I just can’t see us winning this game, if i’m honest.
But you never know why might get a surprise
Big Dave(Quote)
We will win this game but no idea about others >>> ASHLEY OUT FOR FAT ******* 😈
batty(Quote)
MDS@44, yeah I read that mate, very interesting.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Eric/Kim,
Do you’s really believe that Pards remarks are really going to damage Cabella?
Do you’s not think he will be talking to him all the time behind the scenes and building him up with confidence. We’ve seen throughout his time in charge, he keeps a good team spirit in the long term. I don’t think there’s any issue about his man management skills. That’s probably his best virtue IMO. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Eric & Sharpy, he will always look to lay the blame else where, he has the fat one breathing down his neck and knows he won’t get near another PL job once this one is done. I don’t hate him, I just want him gone before he inflicts more damage to the teams chances .
kIMTOON(Quote)
Troy, I think Benny, Marv, Mbiwa, Jonas and several at other previous clubs namely Tevez and Mascherano would beg to differ on the team spirit bit.
As for Cabella, I made a prediction weeks ago that he would fall out and drop him and we’d see Benny mark two happen, I stand by that, see if I ain’t right.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Referring to Wilo as the other guy in the press and letting all and sundry know Benny was overweight is good man management how ❓
kIMTOON(Quote)
Belittling the kids after Brighton as not up to it and saying you wanna loan them out, how is that good man management. Kids he made need to turn to sooner rather than later 😉
kIMTOON(Quote)
Kim.
All managers have fallouts with some of their squad. It’s normal.
Benny apparently is a nightmare. It’s not just Pards who has fallen out with him. Every manager at his previous clubs and international manager have done so. He’s not pulling up trees at Hull.
Jonas was finished years ago but he’s sitting on a fat contract.
Who knows what’s gone on with Mbiwa and Marv. But it’s not unusual at all.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy, but it seems an public occurring theme with Pards more so than other managers. Didn’t he also allegedly also shag a players wife 😕 .Yes that’ll do team spirit the world of good.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Talking of Benny 😉
http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/hatem-ben-arfa-steve-bruce-makes-happy/
kIMTOON(Quote)
I just think it is a very strange management technique to call a player overpriced in public after only a few games. He might be secretly having a go at Carr for not getting him what he wanted and delivering Ben Arfa-light. I don’t know.
Troy, I also think that I am pard of the problem. I am over-sensitive to Pardew because I don’t like his manner – his arrogance and ego and the way he loves the praise but passes the buck when things go wrong. At this point, not much Pardew says or does looks good in my eyes.
If somebody else had done it, like Mourihno, I might think there was some psychology behind it. I don’t think that Pardew is that clever though and he just lets his mouth run.
Eric Sykes(Quote)
King wants to take over Rangers it’s saying in the telegraph. This might be the time Ashley makes his move ?
Terry(Quote)
On this occasion I hope Ashley makes his move because we will never get rid of him otherwise. We should plead poverty and pay our interest free loan at a pound a week ?
Terry(Quote)
Kim
Pards is an ex player on and off the field. 😆
I only hope he’s shagging Mrs Ashley as that is the only excuse to be putting up with being Ashleys puppet. 😆
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Mike Williamson on Pards;
“He certainly has the right credentials. He’s come in and in terms of the teams, we have been building,” the centre-back told Shoot.
“We’ve had some difficult periods over the last four or five years, but in terms of consistency, training discipline, structure and mentality, he’s the right man and there are exciting times ahead.
“He’s a fantastic manager. He’s got a wealth of experience at every level and he’s the focal point of the club so he is going to come in for criticism at a big club with the expectations we have.”
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Without trawling through the thread, where is mentioned that Pards says Cabella was over priced. Is there a link?
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Good to see Aussie pulling his weight round here and producing an article. 😉
I believe a defeat on Saturday must see the guillotine drop on Pards.
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy: From Kimtoon@37:
“Newcastle United boss Alan Pardew is demanding more from Remy Cabella. Pardew admits the Frenchman is yet deliver on his price-tag.
“We spent a lot of money on him (Cabella) and he hasn’t really delivered.”
Eric Sykes(Quote)
Eric
For me, that’s taken out of context.
He’s repeatedly said he rates Cabella. He’s just saying he rates him but hadn’t reached the level we know he can. That’s not dissing him. It’s telling him and everyone what everyone knows that his performances haven’t been good enough. But at the same time, he’s told everyone he rates and will get there.
Totally unfair putting that slant on it IMO. 😉
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy
http://www.totalfootballmadness.com/2014/09/29/newcastle-boss-alan-pardew-demands-more-from-remy-cabella/
kIMTOON(Quote)
And
http://www.bet365.com/news/en/betting/football/premier-league/pardew-demands-more-of-cabella
kIMTOON(Quote)
Troy , He shouldn’t be saying it imo and as for the Willo quote, deary me Troy, please tell me you aren’t daft enough not to realise that’s a player desperate to keep his place 😉 . I mean lets face it, he’ll of seen what happens to players who challenge Percy.
kIMTOON(Quote)
Willo
““We’ve had some difficult periods over the last four or five years, but in terms of consistency, training discipline, structure and mentality, he’s the right man and there are exciting times ahead”
Yes Willo he’s consistently **** and I have to ask everyone on here, in terms of excitement, are we having fun yet?..
kIMTOON(Quote)