We’ve been linked with the 23-year-old for most of the summer but, as ever these days, our interest cooled as Ajax played hard to get with Anita.
However it would seem that a fee of around £6.2 million (or €8 million) has been enough to persuade Ajax to part company with their academy prospect who has been at the Amsterdam club for over 13 years now. Anita is yet to agree terms with Newcastle though although you would have to say that negotiations and a medical are just formalities ahead of the closure of the deal. It’s highly unlikely that his agent will have no idea what NUFC are going to offer isn’t it?
Naturally this will crank up the speculation regarding Cheik Tiote who will now be pencilled in as leaving the club by a section of our fans. It may be the case or it may not and nobody knows for sure, but just because we’ve signed another defensive midfielder (who can also play left-back I’ll add) it doesn’t necessarily mean that our African enforcer is on his way.
If you actually think about it allows our team to be more dynamic in attack if the addition of Vurnon is worked right. You could have Anita and Tiote sitting deep with Cabaye pushed further forward flanked by Benny and who can interchange with Cisse up top throughout the match. Or we could have a midfield trio of Cabaye, Tiote and Anita giving Ba, Cisse and Ben Arfa licence to do some damage in attack.
The possibilities are endless and with the prospect of somewhere near 50 games this season we, to be fair, need all the faces we can get.
So not quite signed and sealed yet, but not too far off…
****, wher did Heedmag come from 😯 😆
…you didn’t use to post as ‘Komfort’ by any chance did you?
Solano@213…”celebrate our successful season with a bit of expenditure on the squad.” is exactly what I’m expecting mate. Like I said, I don’t think Fatty is THAT stupid. Surely, with his divine business sense, he realises further investment is key now, if we’re to sustain our ‘success’.
Rodzilla(Quote)
Troy….am I misunderstanding this statement….?
“I challenged him and stated, we have sold Enrique, Nolan, Best, Guthrie and fringe players since to the value IRO £55m. ”
It’s difficult to believe that the sale of the players quoted above equated to 55 mill. What does IRO mean by the way ? 😳 😳
Munich Mag(Quote)
ROCKING on here noo like 😆
…av just put Fugazi on in celebration. 😯
Rodzilla(Quote)
@Troy
But if after the 35M transfer we were only 5M in the green then that means the Carroll money was all used. Just not on player buys.
Why does it have to be used on transfers to have been “used”.
Think that’s the stumbling block in what you are saying to those disagreeing.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Newkie i’m not picking holes in it but I thought Saylor was on around £25-30k 😕 but I could be wrong on that, the rest I agree with but then who knows
Big Dave(Quote)
Agree with Solano @213 and Rodz 226
I can understand the odd bit of money going to pay off loans, I was annoyed this summer as it seemed we were missing a trick and letting our rivals recover the ground and in turn get the jump on us when there was an opportunity for us to turn the “5 year plan” into a 3 year plan or something…
Newkie(Quote)
So you’re agreeing the position at the last accounts – with the Carroll money included a profit of £5.4M. Now you’ve changed it to the Best, Enrique, Guthrie etc money. Am I right? You’re no longer talking about the Carroll money?
I don’t know why I’m asking because apparently, according to Troy, the accounts figures “are totally irrelevant”. How can you argue with that?
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
@B&B
I don’t recall ever criticising the club on their transfer policy in this debate?
You made a statement that we had spent most if not all the £35m Carroll money.
That’s the only point I’ve challenged.
So don’t twist the debate and explain why you posted those irrelevant finances and explain how we have spent the Carroll money and not the Enrique, Nolan, Guthrie Best money.
Over to you. 🙄
Troy Stavers(Quote)
MM@227 😆 …just play it clever mate and agree mate 😉
…(I think it stands for Iguana Rhinoceros Ostrich)
shh
Rodzilla(Quote)
*sorry, two ‘mate’ s in the same sentence there 😳
Rodzilla(Quote)
strumpet as long as its only debate we don’t want you making up anymore weird and wonderfull stories or telling anymore lies isnt that right bigdave
rodders long time no see you crazy dog hope your sticking to the straight and wide
heedmag(Quote)
Newkie @ 231 I agree with you 100% this was our chance to help cement our standing and try to maintain our top 6 spot, as I honestly thought Jabba would push the boat out and grab this opportunity with both hands, as it would benefit his SD as well with global coverage for SD, but as Rodz says still plenty of time left 😀
Big Dave(Quote)
Rodz I take it MM is your mate
Big Dave(Quote)
@Heedmag. Still don’t appear to be offering anything to the table..
I made a mistake in quoting the wrong position for Dave. I was still only attempting to make a genuine point on what I think is fan expectation spiraling out of control.
SolanosTrumpet(Quote)
Dave-Aye no worries I’m pretty certain Staylor’s previous deal was 25-30k pw, he got a new one the year before last I think, which dragged on for a fair while for reasons we can only speculate on, but he’s now rumoured to be on 45-50k, not parity with Colo but obviously an improvement on what he was on
Newkie(Quote)
I never said you criticised the transfer policy. Where did I say that? All I’ve questioned is why you think we’ve got the £35M Carroll money. You’re twisting the dabate because you’re all over the shop.
Its not over to me, fella. It all started with you talking about the Carroll money. You were talking about spending it. I simply could not understand why you think we still have it. Its all been dealt with in the last accounts. Seen it, pinched it, spent it. If you think the club’s accounts are irrelevant then let me see Troy’s alternative version. Put up or shut up.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Has someone pinched B&B’s pen and paper with scribbles on! 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
MM @ 227 it stands for In Rodz Opinion 😆 did you ask me about Richie the other day and I never answered ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
Icedog where are you ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave@238, aye me and MM are like that mate (finger expression thingy). 😆
Heed, as always mate. Nee path too wonky, nee gap too narra 😉
Rodzilla(Quote)
Dave-Aye, judge them at the end of the window I suppose, just have to cross our fingers and hope for the best…
Newkie(Quote)
I live in hope that the board are secretly doing a couple of deals for players who nobody would expect us to get. 😉
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim, KTF bonny lass. 😉
Nowt te wurry boot.
Rodzilla(Quote)
@B&B
All over the place. ? 😯
You have a short memory.
My very first post to you was this;
Troy Stavers
3 hrs, 59 mins ago
@B&B
You say;
Troy – Most, if not all, of the (Carroll) £35 million has already been spent and we’re a better team for it.
Wow!
Could you really explain to me how we have spent £35m or most of it since January 2011 and I would expect you to include all sales out and in from that time.
This will be interesting.
If you were referring to costs which ate up Carrolls fee immediately which are mentioned in the clubs finances which you used?
Why go on to justify it by naming Ba, Cisse Cabaye who were bought in the summer?
All over the place? Not me B&B. 🙄
The very first post I wrote set out our debate.
You still haven’t answered the question.
Over to you. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Troy @ 242 Is that your best? Every club has a wages cap and NUFC’s accounts that include the Carroll money are irrelevant when considering the question of the Carroll money. You’re playing a blinder today, fella. You hoping I’ve forgotten about the wages cap one? Ya deeein me heed in, man. Am off!
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
…must admit, I like the idea that Bradford and Bingley and Troy are brothers (triplets? 😯 ), but must admit, with the amount of ***** that gets spouted on here by multi-moniker schizo posters I have my doubts.
…doing a good job at a sibling rivalry impersonation anyway, if it is faked. 😎
Rodzilla(Quote)
DAVE you called? 😀
icedog(Quote)
Ice just wondered where you were is the Bro away back yet
Big Dave(Quote)
I reckon B&B is Stardust actually 😉
Rodzilla(Quote)
@B&B
So you aren’t going to explain how we spent the Carroll money ? 😛
Why mention Ba, Cisse and Cabaye if Carrolls money had been accounted for in the March accounts? 😯
You drinking tonight fella. 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Ignoramus @ 249. To sum up. You started on about the Carroll cash. I said it had gone, spent, finito, forget about it. Why do you think we have it? We already had debts and we have spent a fortune on transfer fees, new contracts, increased contracts, reserve team squad, debt etc. You then turn it to Enrique, Nolan, etc no longer is it the Carroll money. I refer you to the accounts which include the Carroll money. You essentially say the accounts which include the Carroll money are irrelevant when considering the Carroll money. I’ve asked you (because you still think we have the money) to draw up your own accounts if the club’s are irrelevant because you seem to be suggesting we have £35M tucked away since the time of the last accounts, presumably from the sales of other players. I’m like Munich Mag; I don’t know where you get your figures.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
…just been stood at the back door smerking a tarb anyway, fkin bats flying rund, ganin MENTIL 😯
…probably not going mental really, more likely just relying on thar ultrasoond.
…think they might’ve been attracted by me playing Les Claypool’s Sausage on mi sterier.
Rodzilla(Quote)
DAVE aye he went this afternoon,visting rest of family,then hes off on a 10day cruise,bloody all right for some 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
Rodz @ 255 I don’t mate 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Please save me. Please someone step forward and tell Troy the relevance of mentioning Ba, Cisse, etc when we’re talking about where the Carrol money has gone. He’s either stupid or he’s trying to wriggle off (as he likes to accuse others of) on some sort of technicality.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
@B&B
Why mention Ba, Cisse, Cabaye, Marveaux if you believed all the cash or most of it had been eaten up at the point of sale?
Over to you?
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Rodz :grin
Would be a lot of work, just for one guy.
Unless people like, pre write what they’re going to post. Surely nobody is that sad 😛
Newkie(Quote)
B+B 😆
Unfortunately mate I can’t intervene here as I’ve actually made a similar point to troy before in relation to “if we’ve spent the Carroll money then i’d like to see the Nolan money.”
I do understand where you’re coming from though. Unfortunately, tonight I can’t be arsed 😀
Newkie(Quote)
Troy @261 Who ever mentioned the point of sale or anything to that effect? Why do you want to go down a little narrow alley of your own making and make out I took you there? I’ve heard of moving the goal posts, but FFS! And you criticise other people for misquotes etc on here!
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Ice im sure your glad to get a wee break as I know a few hrs with my Bro’s is enough and I think Troy and B+B feel the same 😆
Meant to say Richie said his Dad is getting better
Big Dave(Quote)
Newkie – Its a good job there’s just you and Rodz left cos Troy’s making a right *** of himself.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Unless Troy comes back before I log off after this post, I’m off.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
@B&B
No need to seek others to help you out your hole. 😛
I would rather hear it from you. Any logical thinking person who believe you were struggling. 😆
Why mention them?
Troy Stavers(Quote)
Dave@259, I don’t either mate. Just thought I’d up the ante and hoy a walrus in the cauldron. 😆
Troy, yer awlder bro’s got yer on the ropes noo mate.
…quick magic sponge 😯 😯 😯
…gum shield oot 😛 spit 😛 ….
…..get back in there lad……..
Rodzilla(Quote)
Well if your talking about player sales should be put back into to recruiting players, I would say that we are in a hell of a bit of profit, because imo if we sell a player we should use that money to buy more players we shouldn’t have to take the new players future wages out of the original money we got for that player because we would have had to pay their wages anyway. If that makes sense ❓
Otherwise thats like selling Tiote for £15mil then paying a player @ £7 mil on a 5 yr contract and saying that thats all the £15 mil gone because we have to take fees, wages and bonuses etc out of the £15mil so theres fuk all left 😯
Big Dave(Quote)
Ranger wont play for Newcastle again according to Pardew , He ‘ crossed the line too many times ‘ accroding to Pards. This is from a talk-in himself and John Carver were doing tonight. Carver couldnt make it for family reasons
Johno Toon(Quote)
Rodz Stardy couldn’t debate his way outta a wet paper bag and I haven’t heard B+B run Saylor down so that can’t be him 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
@ 268 Irrespective of any little side argument, which I’ve won anyway, get back to the main point, which you are keen to side step. You think the Carroll money is there. Its already been spent on paying off debts and buying new players (JUST TO BE CLEAR, NOT NECESSARILY AT THE POINT OF SALE). ITS GONE. WHY DO THINK IT HASN’T? WHY DO YOU THINK IT IS ALL SITTING THERE FOR THE PURCHASE OF NEW PLAYERS? AS FAR AS THE ACCOUNTS, THE ACCOUNTANTS AND THE PRUDENT OWNER ARE CONCERNED, IT IS GONE. That’s not to say Mikey doesn’t feel a whole lot richer and, as a result, may be inclined to loosen the purse strings a little if he sees a bargain.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Johno @ 271 I have said that the other day when some said we’re paying his wages so might aswell pay him, but I said he has crossed the line too many time and to then bring him in is sending a bad signal to others as if to say you can fuk about as much as you want and you’ll still get a chance.
You can only give someone so many chances then you have to draw the line—————–
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave – My point on player transfers these days, and Pards has alluded to it today, there may be no transfer fee or smaller ones than in the past, but the wages can make up for it. My main point, however, is that the club was massively in debt on transfer sales and following the Carroll sale have more or less broken even. The money isn’t there to spend – although Ashley must feel richer, and may want to spend if a bargain or two comes along. Troy can’t work this out.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Dave-I’d agree with that for the most part. I can understand how “free transfers aren’t free” and obviously depending on the player, a certain fee can be expected to be used up on obtaining their services(namely bribing the agent 😆 )
In regards to using a transfer fee to pay for wages- I remember Llambias moving the goalposts with that with the Carroll money when he said it would be spent on buying new players and then later said something about contracts, and that was out of order imo.
For me, if profits are made by way of selling players, but the club loses money as a whole, I don’t mind a slice of that payment going to even out the debt. In a way you could say that is a players transfer money being put into someone elses wages, but personally i’d just tie it up in the whole of the club’s expense.
Newkie(Quote)
Dave, it’s all bollocks.
I find it fucking hilarious how involved some fans get in club finances.
I couldn’t give a fucking hoot.
Leave it to the suits to run the business, and in the meantime I’ll expect my football club to what’s necessary in order to keep up with our competitors.
I support NUFC the football team, the club/district, the identity.
Money always complicates things, but it’s a sad state of affairs when a club’s fans start concerning themselves with company finances, for ****’s sake.
Leave that to the suits, we’re allowed to voice our concerns if OUR team is under threat.
Squad improvement is a fucking necessity, and part and parcel to the business.
Bollocks to how much money Fatty has.
Just spend 10 fucking million and be done with it. 😎
Rodzilla(Quote)
Definitely off. Been getting daggers cos she has wanted to be on computer for hours.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Rodz – does that mean that we could have sold Carroll for £5M and you would’t have been bothered? Can’t wait around for the answer.
Blackley & Brownlie(Quote)
Big D@265….sorry to hear about Richietoons dad… I was wondering where he was, haven’t heard from him for ages.
IRO….I like that…. 😆 😆 😆
Troy is giving me the rubber ear to my question like, but it’s understandable cos he’s on the ropes at the moment…. 🙁
Munich Mag(Quote)
B&B we now know who wears the troosers in your hoose 😉 😉
Munich Mag(Quote)
I agree with my honorable friend @ 277 😉
B+B take it easy Lad
Big Dave(Quote)
DAVE aye great for richies dad,think we might have to give him a weeks grace when he returns 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
Rodz-I kinda get what you mean, but at the end of the day we kind of have to care nowadays. A flippant attitude to finance can destroy a club. I’m not saying we owe Ashley **** and he’s saint who saved us from going bust and all that malarky, but if everyone is happy to go along for the ride and avoid paying the consequences you can end up like porstmouth.
Someone on here commented about them and how rich it was they are crying about being broke even after they paid for a squad well over the odds and ended up taking a point off us when really it should have been them who got relegated rather than ourselves.
And, in a really sad way, I kind of like it. I particularly like selling average players for ridiculous money and buying ridiculously good players for average money. Some of the best banter we can give out really, considering we’ve won **** all!
Newkie(Quote)
Ice yeah I think we should give him a few days grace a think a week is a bit too much 😀
Big Dave(Quote)
B+B don’t be a stranger lad, we need you to keep Troy in check and all that 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Also from what I can work out, over the course of PL history we’ve averaged out at 5mil outlay per season on players. Not a bad show when you consider what that kind of money was in the early 90s. Manure at 10mil.
Newkie(Quote)
DAVE your reet a weeks a bit much,must be the drink got to my heed
the rat bag hasnt been on much lately must be up jabba *** again 😉
icedog(Quote)
Johnotoon @271 ,yeah I read on a Toon rumours site someone had seen him at a local hospital in his tracksuit last week ,it’s the hospital that deals in heart and lung problems ,can’t remember the name of it now. Some idiot thought he was there for a players medical until a fellow blogger told him it’s a specialist heart lung hospital. Looks like a poorly family member then ,going by that.
kimtoon(Quote)
Newkie I sort of agree with Rodz in that I don’t give a flying fuk about the in’s and out’s of the finances IMO there is no chance that Jabba will spend dangerous amounts of money, I would rather we just got on with supporting the team and at the windows we didn’t have to always worry about our best players being sold and looking forward for the odd decent player coming in.
I can never remember blogs being full of money talk before Jabba came along and knocked the hope out of most of the fans.
Big Dave(Quote)
Woo hoo hoo hoo. 😆
Absolutely incredible display of ignorance from Bradford & Bingley. 😛
The whole point and Newkie and Dave also have it, the £35m there to spend on new players.
Pards came out with it and Lambias reneged on it.
I’ve took that all into account on making my very first post. That is why I asked you to explain how the Carroll money had been spent and I asked you to name the players which accounted for the Carroll money.
You are now using figures which explained that even with the Carroll money we only made a small profit and tried to use those IRRELEVANT figures to explain his cash was virtually used up.
If you can’t see that then you have wood for brains.
Pards and Lambias stated the Carroll cash was for players. (£42m)
We then sell Enrique, Nolan, Best, Guthrie.
Offload Barton and Smith.
Im still waiting for you to explain to me, bearing in mind Lambias stated the Carroll money was for players where it’s gone.
We have sales of £55m since January 2011 and spent £23m on buys.
I don’t accept the full contract of players being accounted for in the figures as you have to take into account Carrolls 5 yr contract and other players contracts.
Wow! You are digging your way down to Aussies Hoose here! 😛
Troy Stavers(Quote)
B&B 😆 , appreciate you need to go, but I’m sure you’ll hang around for a peek.
No, to reiterate my point I’m an old school fan. I do my day-to-day job well, and expect others to produce results relevant to their salary. In other words, too many fans concern themselves with the business side of the club these days when they never did in the past.
It’s about a ‘football team’ to the masses. The fans want squad improvement, and if the economy has stifled our opportunities I’m afraid it just isn’t gona register.
Try explaining our transfer policy/wage cap/Brewsters Millions to the average 40+ yr old blokey and wifey on the street and I’m sure you’ll be greeted with the same vacant stare.
Try explaining why we’re not competing with the teams who finished below us to Mr and Mrs Bloggs on Northumberland Street and they’ll give you the same look.
With regards to Carroll, that’s water under the bridge for me, as I said earlier I don’t get involved in the 35m debate.
To summarise, it’s blatantly obvious to all we need to expand our squad.
…and as yet I’m still waiting 😉
Rodzilla(Quote)
hahah, I’ve gone from being not really arsed to impatient **** in one thread 😆
Rodzilla(Quote)
Dave-Yeah, I know what you mean mate. I think I care about the money bit precisely because Ashley isn’t going to bank roll us. I like to know what we’re making/losing, what should be available, and why it hasn’t been spent on getting in new players and that kind of thing. Means I know when and whether to get pissed off at him 😉
As for losing players…well, every team excluding perhaps Real and Barca have to deal with that. It’s no fun, but when we have a squad as good as we do, there’s not much we can do to shield them from speculation.
As for money talk…its probably because we spent quite a lot back in the day, which we couldn’t really afford but it made us happy. Now with financial fair play rules supposedly coming in along with clubs going bust left right and centre, its taken a more prominent role in football as a whole.
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie from the entertainers right up to Jabba came in we have had some top players but I can never remember coming up to a window and anyone worrying about who we might lose I can only remember people excited about who we could bring in, to me thats the way supporting should be imo
Big Dave(Quote)
Troy- I prefer to count it from two summers ago after promotion, so I include Tiote, Perch and Barfa along with the other ins and outs of the money.
Taking that stance, we still have £28mil worth in player sales, not including signing on fees and the like.
I suppose if you count Ba, Marv, Ammy and Abeid’s signing on fees you could chop it down to say, 23mil? Not really sure how much it cost to bribe those agents but it must have bee a bit….
6mil on Anita takes us to 16mil, and as I mentioned earlier we needed 5mil or so to pay the runnings of the 2010/2011 season, so we’re on 11mil.
Come on Ashley, 11 mil for a CB! 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Meant to add I don’t need to worry about knowing whats going on financially to get pissed of with him, because renaming the ground done that for me, along with a few other things
Big Dave(Quote)
Newkie @ 296 or you could go back another season and count Milner, Zog, Given etc etc 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave-well its built on Carroll more than anything, I think the deadline day and the fact he was our number 9 hit most of us very hard. Hit me hard and he’s why I worry obviously.
I don’t really miss Martins, Duff, Given, Milner, Nzogbia. First team players all, but I didn’t really like any of them Given aside, the others were bellends and we don’t miss them at all 😉
I don’t remember worrying about losing players so much perhaps…but I remember being gutted when we sold players all the same, Ginola, Ketsbaia, Ferdinand, Cole, Asprilla, Albert, Solano, Speed, Woodgate.
Newkie(Quote)
Dave- I know mate, i’ll never like him, but I meant whether its worth moaning about on the blog and such 😉
I know you could go back and count them, but they kinda had to go because of relegation. I know you’ll say relegation was Ashley’s fault and i’d agree with you for the most part but I can’t be arsed to get into that 😀
Newkie(Quote)