Is it a case of deja vu?

426-newcastle--124324593813139800I don’t know what’s worse at the moment, the pain in my knee or the pain in my heart. As I sat perched with outstretched leg watching that mess of a team play Leicester I felt physically sick. The lack of endeavour, the total lack of discipline and awareness was simply astounding. I said it last week and I will repeat it again, they are not pulling their weight and it’s not good enough. To lose the ball from the first kick and contrive collectively to concede in the first 30 seconds is pathetic and must have left John Carver shell shocked. And you knew, just knew it was game over from that point on, because this lot have no heart or guts for the fight, it’s that simple. Carver is flogging a dead horse at the moment or should that be donkey? Either they have collectivly gone already or they don’t want to play for him. There is talent in the squad but for what ever reason it’s not showing right now. Sissoko, Janmaat, Krul, Perez and Colback are all capable of pulling us out the muck, yet just aren’t performing and we have to assume they either can’t be bothered or Carver is not getting things right. I don’t think Mike Ashley can afford to let this slide a day longer, he HAS to bring in another coach now, if only for a shot in the arm and kick up the players backside before it’s too late.
Let’s face it, if we go down there will be no swift return this time, the likes of Sissoko, Perez, Janmaat, Cisse, Krul, Tiote and De Jong will not fancy Championship football and will all want out. So too would Cabella and young Aarons, the latter already eyed up by Premier league clubs prior to his never ending injury.
As I type this it’s reported Carver has told a bbc presser that he thinks Mike Williamson got his self red carded on purpose! Well if he hadn’t lost the dressing room he surely has now. Much as I don’t rate big Mike, you don’t EVER come out with that in a post match presser. If true though, then I hope the lad has played his last game for us.
We are falling apart like a cheap piece of tat from one of Ashleys shops and frankly our owner deserves nothing less than relegation, we fans on the other hand do not and for that reason I hope we survive this crisis.
Reports are coming in that Steve Mclaren is talking to his bosses in light of not reaching the playoffs and interest from Newcastle. It’s looking like we could yet see him in the Newcastle dug out next week.
With Saints and Everton both failing to give us a helping hand today those fans of Villa who happily waved us goodbye have leap frogged us in the league and our rivals Sunderland have made serious strides on us and now are only 2 points behind us with a game in hand. Frankly, lads and lasses, it don’t look good at all.
This season is very reminiscent of the 08/09 relegation season, with us seemingly safe but then drifting after losing our manager, going on an awful run and ending with a Geordie trying to save us. We had a glut of red cards in the last 4 games for Barton, Bassong and Edgar, like now with our present lads and signed a duff in Xisco (see Riviere) and a strange loanee in Ignucio Gonzalez (see Chucky). We had a captain in Owen who wanted away with his management producing a 34 page booklet of his highlights to show interested clubs, just like our current captain Colo who left us ages back truth be told. Finally and perhaps most chilling of all, the team we lost to on the final day of the season played in claret and blue, you have to agree there’s a real sense of deja vu going on.

By Kimtoon

480 thoughts on “Is it a case of deja vu?

  1. There a bit slow up north, but they are catching on slowly but surely 😆 😆

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  2. Just think of our dream team coming together to discuss football strategy:
    Mike: Right then John, what’s our plan for the next match?
    John: It remains the same Mike. We have to show the world we know what we’re doing. We have to go out there with our strongest 11 and really work up a lather.
    Mike: Excellent John. That completely convinces me you’re the man for the job. Lee what’s happening on the squad reinforcement front?
    Lee: Well Mike we’ve got some very good players in mind. Of course, they will have to waive all agents’ fees and take very reasonable wages. But we’re confident they’re all very eager to come to us.
    Mike: Well this all sounds brilliant then. I’m really looking forward to the summer when we prove what a fine management team we are. Oh and I’m thinking of putting my daughter on the board as well. She needs some work experience and a nice paycheck.
    Beautiful. The future is golden.

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  3. I think Ashley is his own worst enemy. His greed will be his downfall. He wants a successful club without spending money. He wants wins without building the proper foundations. He wants the ground full of adoring supporters without doing the difficult work of building a club properly. None of that is going to happen Ashley. Move on and suck the life force out of some other business or club won’t you please?

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  4. Stu – I think Mc would still want it if we were ready to pay for him mate. Survive the drop and I do believe there will be investment into the team and he’ll have a far better looking squad to work with than JC has. He’ll get the chance to manage in the championship again, but will he ever get the chance of a Newcastle again?!.

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  5. want to get rid of fatboy directing all ya anger at him is the way to go about it so grad ya pies and bring a flag to cover his advertise and lets really show the fat git he aint wanted here

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  6. makeing him feel unsafe when hes in town step 1 of geting rid of fatboy

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  7. Ta Terry mate. The Big Boy at the top is simply a merchant of greed. He takes advantage of his workers and he’s trying to take advantage of Newcastle. It’s up to us to try to stop him. I have faith in those for whom the club really means something more than an advertising location. You can tell a lot about Ashley by the type of people who despise him. Shearer, Keegan, and many others who have spoken out against him Who are Ashley’s supporters? Wise? Llambias? Joe Kinnear? Ahahahahahahaha!

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  8. A quick update mates. As of 8 pm today our beloved club still sucks. Thank you very much Ashley.

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  9. I said my piece on the campaign against Ashley this morning, but I do think the PL is the best place to keep the pressure on Ashley. The media coverage in the PL is far greater than in the championship.

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  10. I can understand why some people think that, Sharpy. My personal opinion is that while in the PL he’s sitting pretty unless crowds get to 25,000 and I doubt that will happen. In the Fizzy he has far more hassle and the financial consequences are huge for him.

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  11. But I also think it’s all about exposure for Sports Direct and it wouldn’t be very good for him or them to have another relegation to deal with.

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  12. Stu – I know what you mean mate, but I think behind those billions is a pretty insecure fella. He doesn’t do interviews and even the rich list fella said in that SD doc that they can’t pin him down. So I think the exposure of the PL – having the likes of Soccer Saturday, football focus, MOTD, Monday night football, the national newspapers .. et al – will have Ashley squirming like the fat worm he is.
    Sky seem happy to have cameras outside the ground showing our demonstrations & BT Sports were showing banners in the crowds after yesterday’s game. There won’t be half the coverage if we drop into the championship IMO.

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  13. How damaging will our current form be when it comes to trying to get players to sign for us. It’s now pointless putting out early feelers as players won’t know if we are a PL club or championship club 🙄

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  14. Stuart your logic is sound and reasonable in my humble opinion, but the problem seems to be the vast majority don’t want to face up to many years in the championship.
    And make no bones, it will be many years.
    However that will be the price to pay to be rid of this parasite once and for all.
    I simply cannot see fatty selling as long as we remain in the EPL.
    Continue to struggle season upon season yes.
    On that basis alone I fully expect a sell out next weekend.
    A very vocal crowd roaring the Lads on to another season of mediocrity, in the forlorn belief that the parasite will change his evil ways.
    There is no appetite for protest, boycott or rebellion. and certainly not for life in the lower leagues.

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  15. Kim – I honestly feel the club is completely broken. Just totally and utterly dead! There is no short, medium or long term strategy and the regime seemed paralysed by their lack of ambition and lasting mediocrity at best has set in.

    The best they can do now to try and rescue this desperate situation is to appoint a new manager and have a fans forum meeting (I think that’s the only way we will get anything from them) and they should completely change their stance on everything. The cups, the transfer strategy and the ambitions of the club. They need to do something as the club and the fans are on the verge of complete meltdown of relationship which should be un breakable

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  16. Stuart I don’t mind another season in the championship. It will certainly annoy puma and wonga. It will also annoy Mike Ashley and his chums at sports direct. I can only say his brought it on himself. Even if we built a good side again he will only ruin it.

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  17. BB – My view is that I might as well watch NUFC in the Championship striving for promotion rather than watching them in the PL striving for mid table mediocrity. It’s just so boring and I ask what’s the point?

    In all honesty I just don’t understand people’s views that the PL is the most important thing regardless of anything else even when there’s no actual desire to compete for anything when there.

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  18. blinded by the money
    even though we don’t ever get to see a penny of it
    primal greed

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  19. I was thinking more from the supporters point of view, BB.

    I think Ashley is the only billionaire owner in football who doesn’t really want success for his club and is happy with just staying up so its a strange situation. As for the supporters, why should we accept that?

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  20. of course Ashley has no sporting ambition, its all about advertising for his baby ***** Defect.
    And nothing more than that
    so suck it up boys n girls because if we survive this season, that’s what you’ll get.
    More of the same
    Enjoy

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  21. Blubbing like a baby – just watched the documentary on sky sports about Fernando Riksen ex capt of Rangers suffering from Motor Neurone Disease. Heart warming to see the football community come together to support him. Such a cruel disease. Stay strong Fernando

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  22. So Krul and Colo had a bust up on the coach yesterday and now Colo might be stripped of the captaincy. YCMIU!!!

    Also apparently the board have sympathy with Carver too over players attitudes… What the **** did they expect? Wankers!

    McClaren also doesn’t want to come straight into a relegation battle too.

    I just don’t really know what to say…

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  23. Stu – my desire to stay in the PL isn’t to do with footballing reasons – it’s purely exposure reasons.
    Things are still **** at Blackburn under the Venkys & their attendance has fallen & stayed down – how much is that covered on TV or in the nation newspapers?.
    Blackpool fans stormed the pitch at the weekend, and whilst it got some coverage – it wasn’t that much, and it took 100s of fans to get the game abandoned.

    The footballing side of things is irrelevant under Ashley, because if we go down he will look to get us straight back up. If he fails then we are stuck with him, coz whilst being in the Championship may not make him money, he wouldn’t sell at a loss when he doesn’t need too.

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  24. Oh and Carver doesn’t think the players are listening to him. Dear God! Yet he is still going to be in a job…

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  25. at least Colo says the players care and Cabella is happy here 🙂

    we’re not down yet, it may be a blessing SM isnt joining…

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  26. @CaulkinTheTimes: Understand that #Nufc today sounded out McClaren, or people close to him, about taking over for last 3 games. Looks unlikely at the moment.

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  27. The club will make a statement tomorrow at 3pm appointing him as our new head coach.

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  28. John Carver has admitted that after the debacle on Saturday at Leicester where Leicester had their biggest win of the season – that he has had a talk to Managing Director Lee Charnley – but it was nothing serious and it was quite a short conversation.

    This is what John said about that conversation:

    “I had a quick chat with Lee Charnley, but it was nothing serious.” “He was basically just asking how I was and how I was feeling. It was a nice, calm conversation.” 🙄

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  29. Oh yes.
    We’ve just lost our 8th game on the trot, turned in another shambolic performance, had two players sent off and our manager has had a meltdown in front of the cameras after the game, and Charnleys response to this debacle, is to ask Carver hows tricks?

    Flabbergasted!

    Sleep walking to relegation eh..

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  30. I understand he reasons for those wanting relegation. However, surely the fans are to blame if they can’t muster up a boycott.

    In my opinion, if we survive this season, though i very much doubt it, unless someone new is in place for the last 3 games, the fans have really hit rock bottom and will drop off in huge numbers next season.

    Of the two choices, I would prefer to trust the supporters in boycotting and staying in the premier league than being relegated, as the club will be less attractive to potential buyers in the fizzy pop league.

    There would be nothing better than forcing Ashley out because of fans power than him clinging on in the fizzy pop league and trying to get us promoted again, with an even bigger loan to pay back.

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  31. Fans are calling for relegation because they want the club to hurt like they way they are hurting. That is understandable but it’s pretty narrow minded thinking to be honest. If anyone thinks that getting relegated will make them feel better because Ashley will be hurting, will be in for a rude shock…We don’t have potential buyers lining up for a PL team…who the fuk is going to by a championship team??
    It’s good to see a few posters actually seeing the bigger picture now… Getting Ashley out is not as simple as it looks and there is no replacement buyer waiting in the wings… If these protests can loosen up the purse strings and change the mindset of the board, then I think they will be a success.. I just can’t see Ashley high tailing it out of dodge just because of a few protests…

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  32. Aussie
    I’m not in the relegation camp but see their point. It’s a bit glib of you to write the idea off as if you know whether it will hurt him or not.

    It cost in the region of £40m last time we got relegated and he was back to square one when promoted.

    I don’t know how you can confidently claim there are no potential buyers out there. You, me or anyone on this blog do not know the answer to that. If he offered the club at the market value then who knows?

    I’m of the belief that supporters are now at the end of their tether and are on the verge of a mass boycott.

    I feel relegation may not got rid of him. He would be desperate to return to the premier league and a successful return would rejuvenate the hope of the supporters, only to be disillusioned again with a year or two, hence we would be back to square one.

    If we do stay up, then it is in the supporters hands to walk away en masse and the half empty stadium would be far more detrimental to SD image.

    None of us know the best solution but to scoff at the relegation stance and claiming there are no potential buyers out there, strikes me as being unjustifiably dismissive. 😉

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  33. wasn’t being glib or scoffing, so please dismount off your high horse 😉
    I can confidently claim anything I want on here, it’s what everyone else does and soon as someone else agrees with it, it becomes a truth! 😆 😆 in all seriousness, Ashley is a heartless businessman, you have said it yourself, he doesn’t care about the club so why would the protests hurt him. . .. as far as buyers go, have a look at the global economy mate… the buy a club as a play thing days are gone.. Like I said, if the protests wake the board from its slumber then I think it will be a success…

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  34. Aussie
    The money involved in premier league clubs is now huge. There might be a global recession but there are more multi billionaires in the world today than there were in 2007 when he bought us. They are facts.

    Over the next few years and likely beyond that, premier league clubs will gain more interest from these multi billionaires as the TV revenue secures the premier league as the most commercial league in the world.

    I simply do not know how you can say there are no potential buyers. I will repeat, me, you or nobody else on this blog knows but with the way the premier league is developing, there is a good chance Ashley might get all his money back and more.

    Premier league clubs will once again attract the best footballers from all over the world again. No other football clubs, including Barca and Real will be able to compete with Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal etc when it comes to wages paid once the TV revenue rolls in.

    Ashley could well stick out the flak, but boycotting the games can only hurt the image of SD and that is what matters most to him.

    Don’t forget Aussie, i was telling you this about Ashley years ago and you were disagreeing with me.

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  35. Troy, how many premier league clubs actually make money? You are correct in saying that the money has gone up and the earnings have increased but the money is not enough to keep pace with player purchases and player wages. Those two components are so grossly overinflated that it is bordering on obscene. To even come close to breaking even, you have to spend wisely and look where it has gotten us.
    You see it in all walks of life, you earn more, you spend more! 😉

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  36. If you were cashed up, would you pay 230m fro something you were likely to get no return on?? And I mean something you had no emotional attachment to (which discounts your mirror)! 😆 😆

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  37. Aussie

    I’m referring to the money rolling in starting from next season and onwards. There should not be a premier league club in any debt and that will still allow them to spend big, huge in terms of Champs League clubs.

    That is why I claim Ashley is wrongly proclaimed to be a great businessman when it comes to turning the finances round at the club.

    The facts are, the TV revenue has shot up since he bought the club yet we now owe him £130m instead of owning the bank £80m, of which, a substantial chunk was a mortgage for the stadium construction. It didn’t need a business guru to do what he did. Just reckless decisions which got us relegated and having an enourmous bank account.

    The propoganda spewed out by the regime is lapped up by gullible people who take it as gospel. The regime did not save the club from going under. The TV revenue saved the club.

    The point about clubs making money is not really relevant. I don’t suppose potential buyers of football clubs are interested in making money. They are interested in being able to buy a club and using it for their own egos. Being the owner of premier league club will likely become very fashionable again once the new TV deal kicks in and the superstars play for our clubs.

    As I say, there are more multi billionaires about now than ever before. To suggest there are no potential investors is wrong. There could well be.

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  38. Aussie

    I know you sneak on my facebook every once in a while to catch a glimpse of me in grandad Les’ trunks!! 😆

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  39. Aussie

    I’m pleased ive brought you out from under that dark cloud you’ve been under over the past few months. 😆

    You had morphed into the most miserable man on the blog. Well apart from Begas. 😆

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  40. Never seen this rant from Carver.

    He contradicts himself about the players, firstly saying there was only 1 player who could be excused, being Jack Colback. He then gets confronted by a journo who questions whether he has told the other 10 players that they aren’t worthy of the fans to which he says, “I never said that”.

    He’s a cross between Gazza, Kinnear and Keegan.
    Gazza cos he speaks like a typical geordie lad with no media training.
    Kinnear cos he says things that no manager should say and sounds amateurish.
    Keegan cos he says it from the heart.

    Perversely, it’s quite refreshing what he says but it is a sure way for the manager to lose the dressing room. But if he doesn’t get the job, at least he can say I told the truth.

    Have a look;
    https://youtu.be/Xle-M_GOvEo

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  41. Troy, once again you take credit for something that you have had no hand in…. it certainly is all about you isn’t it! 😉

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  42. Aussie

    I’ve been worried about you man!! I’m a bit like Sir Bobby. I’m able to ******* people but also put the arm round the shoulders of those that need it.

    Honestly, I have to use all my good personality skills with you. 😆

    You’re definitely high maintenance. 😉

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  43. Useless bunch of ***** – players, coaches, management.

    Most useless of all is Carver. The guy appears to have no presence, no tactics, no influence on the players and no clue as to how to move forward.

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  44. Troy, wonderful stuff, its nice to see someone with so much love for them-self being able to share some of it with others! You are awesome but I think you already know that! 😆

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  45. @261
    GTE
    May 3, 2015 at 18:22

    “Or, we have, as Chris G has pointed out, £20m left in the bank….”

    Actually that isn’t quite what I said – I simply pointed out that the amount that the club had in it’s bank account at the end of last financial year (30 June 2014) was £22.5m, not the £34m that has been widely reported in the media. I also pointed out that during the month or so following the accounting y/e date just under £30m was spent on 6 new players. All this information is clearly set out in the audited accounts which nobody else seems to have looked at, including all those newspaper hacks who keep quoting the wrong figures.

    One of those newspaper hacks is Tony Evans, Football Editor at the Times. He wrote an article which George Caulkin thought was really good:

    George Caulkin ‏@CaulkinTheTimes Apr 27
    Brilliant by @TonyEvansTimes on Ashley and the malaise at #Nufc. Ouch. That last sentence.
    http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/sport/football/article4423459.ece

    but unfortunately I didn’t:

    Chris G****** ‏@g******01 54m 54 minutes ago

    @CaulkinTheTimes @TonyEvansTimes Certainly not brilliant and contained serious factual errors. I have registered a complaint @Times Feedback

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  46. Vegas, Carver is not to blame… Even Sir Alex would get a “slightly better” performance out of our players! 😆 😆

    What Carver has said publicly about the players is true but as a manager you don’t say that **** publicly! I have seen granny smith apples that are less green than that bloke..hopeless… 😕

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  47. Yep, players are **** as well. Not enough effort coming from them.

    But it’s the manager’s job to get them to play as a team, and to get them to use their footballing ability That isn’t happening, so the manager is failing at his job … badly failing at that.

    I’m now not sure if I’ve stopped watching live games as a form of symbolic boycott or because I’m losing the magic. It has been a difficult time these last 3 games to force myself not to watch, but I don’t think I can do it any longer. It’s all too desperate; I’ll have to watch from now on.

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  48. Yeah I am struggling to watch the games as well… really depressing football… I can’t take a trick, my local team spends too much money and my other team spends no money… I give up..it’s ****** being a fan! 😯

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  49. We need to win one game. If so, Carver must go. Relegation isnt an option..

    Carver hinted the players arent listening to him or our captain, Colo. He’s had a pop at Willo whilst entertaining two fans over a cup of tea, he confessed to winding them up at half time, which may have resulted in both Janmaat and Willo being sent off. Then he’s accused Willo on live TV. He also hinted he can’t handle Janmaats temper so he asked Krul to intervene. 😯

    Hopefully all of this anger has stirred up some raw emotions to give us 3pts… I think we need more than emotions v West Brom. Only recognised defender is Colo.. who also had a bust-up with Krul after our captain was accused of not trying. 🙄 what a shambles! Hammers for me is our win or bust game..

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  50. Good to see Begas not letting me down. Still the most miserable blogger. 😆

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  51. Gashley

    Carver must go now. Today. The team aren’t playing for him. How much of a risk does Ashley want to take. Another game to find out Carvers rants haven’t worked? Too much of a risk for me with only 3 games left.

    Any new face will do for the remaining 3 games. Beardsley, ginola, Venables, anyone willing just to try something different.

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  52. Troy, you have stated for months that a new manager will not make any difference! I knew you would come around to what we have been saying all along!! 😛

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  53. Chris G @348

    Keep us updated whether they respond amd what their reply is.

    Just out of interest, without me checking, did we make any money from player sales following that particular date?

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  54. Aussie

    You’re right I did state that a new manager would not make any difference. I was totally wrong. I never anticipated they would be this bad. 😆

    Jokin aside and being deadly serious for a moment. Do you regret hounding Pards out? 😆

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  55. The trouble is, having had info back from a mate who occasionally gets to meet Ashley and Charnley at the games, it’s likely Ashley is over the moon with Carver blasting the players. Ashley has made it clearly, privately, that he thinks most of the players are **** takers and don’t put the effort in.

    This could secure Carver a longer contract. 😯

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  56. I do, I worked on the theory that seeing Sir Alex would only do slightly better, surely it couldn’t be any worse with a lesser manager! 😆 Every time I have agreed with you I end up being wrong!! 😛

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  57. Aussie
    “The dogs keep on barking as the caravan passes by”
    Jose Morinho 3rd May 2015.

    Me & Jose know the meaning, shame you don’t. 😉

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  58. When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea. 😯

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  59. Tory Boy – if we get relegated this season, do you think we will bounce straight back up again like last time ?
    I don’t.
    I think if we go down, we stay down for many many years.
    How would this affect Ashleys SD advertising ?

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  60. ‘No man ever steps in the same river twice, for it’s not the same river and he’s not the same man.’ 😉

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  61. A man with a watch knows the time
    A man with two watches is never sure

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  62. It’s better for everyone to think your an idiot, than to open your mouth and prove them right – Advice from Aussie to Troy – May 2015 – 8.29am 😆

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  63. Anyhow it looks like the ‘board’ will stand by their man and keep JC in the job to the end of the season. Come what may. But fatty believes his gamble will pay off and we will get the win we need to stay up.

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  64. Betsy

    I have no idea if we get relegated whether we will bounce back straight away or not but I do believe Ashley will be inclined to try and get us back to dave his investment. Therefore it will prolong the inevitable. A good run in the championship will give false hope to the supporters.

    I would prefer it if we stayed up and the fans united by boycotting, therefore damaging the image of SD. (Not that it’s got a good image but you know what I’m getting at)

    For every person there are 20 rats and for every rat there are a 10 fleas. That’s an awful lot of fleas. Les Kellett 1972.

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  65. So apparently NUFC have shown an interest in getting Charlie Austin to Tyneside, but that now looks unlikely to happen as Liverpool have tabled a £10M offer for the player.
    A difficult decision for the player to make obviously.
    We are in such a shambolic mess, we cant even buy players from relegated clubs.

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  66. “Really hairy backs on men turn me off. I’m not into the ape thing at all. Or beer bellies and flabby arms, either. Also, one random nose hair which is longer than the others… that’s gross.” Nadine Velazquez.

    That rules you out then Tory Boy 😆

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  67. Betsy

    We can’t even buy players from relegates clubs? What makes you think Austin would want to leave QPR for another relegated club? 😯

    ‘England have the best fans in the world and Scotland’s fans are second-to-none’ Kevin Keegan commentating on a home nations match. 😆

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  68. Chris you are one sad man if you’re sending complaints to people because of inaccurate articles. Have you nothing better to do like?

    As for Carver, it’s clear he’s lost the plot as well as the dressing room but I fear he will still be here on Saturday as I don’t believe Mc will want to take the job under these circumstances. In fact at any other club Carver would be sacked but here here will go back to his job as No 2. What a joke!

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  69. Stuart

    Bit harsh on Chris G there fella. We spend hours, day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year complaining to one another on here completely wasting our time. . You’re walking into a sucker punch if Chris retaliates with this one. 😀

    Barnsley have started off the way they mean to begin.”
    Chris Kamara commentating on TV 🙂

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  70. Troy – We complain to each other, not your employers… 😯

    Apparently Sky Sports says there’s potentially big news coming out of the training ground… Wonder if that bore hole is leaking…

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  71. Big Dave

    I’m pleased Krul wiped the floor with the mop. You would think the mop would have learnt his lesson last time we got relegated. You don’t have to be a leader to show real passion on the pitch. Shame and pride should drive any person to fight for the ball and ******* those around you for not trying.

    The mop has been a disgrace imo. The team lacks a leader. Krul might be the best bet to take the armband.

    Carver might as well humiliate the mop as he’s done it already in a roundabout way at the press conferences.

    My father was a miner and he worked down a mine.”
    Kevin Keegan. 😆

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