Will he stay at Anfield? Will he leave for pastures new, or indeed not so new? I’m personally not sure, although it seems as though Carroll is only keen on leaving, either temporarily or permanently, is a club can offer European football.
Alan Pardew attracted a lot of criticism from Liverpool fans during the week as he said pretty much what everyone know and stated that Liverpool are going to have to take a hit if they want to offload their misfiring forward. The rights and wrongs of that have been discussed already, but with Liverpool wanting somewhere in the region of £20m I’m just wondering what a realistic price would be for the most expensive Englishman of all time?
Currently Carroll is rated at £13.5m by Transfermarkt.co.uk which values players on current form. Whether it’s right or wrong is up for debate but I’d personally question it.
Of course it’s all a matter of opinion but I happen to think that Carroll, based on his last 18 months, is worth no more than £10m. You can call potential as much as you like, but he had that at Newcastle and has so far failed to fulfil it at Liverpool so why should it be a consideration now?
I just think there is a premium being put on the price of Andy Carroll’s head by Newcastle fans based on nothing other than the fact he is a Geordie who did well for us for two half seasons – one in the Championship and one in the Premier League. I keep saying this but would people be happy to spend £20m on Kevin Davies who has outscored Carroll in a weaker team? Though not…
End of the day it’s a pointless argument I guess. No fans have any real say as to what goes on during transfer negotiations and we aren’t privvy to information that is flying around boardrooms currently, plus it’s not actually our money which I guess makes it easier to spend.
So, purely theoretical as I don’t believe Carroll will be leaving Liverpool anyway, what value would you put on his head if you were making the decision to sign him or not?
P.S: For any Liverpool fans wondering why this has been written, ask your manager who started all of this!
He’s a £12m player. Even if he returns to the form he had (during a short indian summer spell) at nufc he forces the team have to adapt its game – which is basically aerial, despite the argument about his ‘under-appreciated’ touch, pace and movement.
I hope we spend the money on someone who will fit into our new system – not the other way around.
geordiepat(Quote)
@Kimtoon, not on here to be a wum… but I do think that there are some very vocal Newcastle fans getting a little carried away… but then I think that can be said for a lot of clubs including Liverpool and I do think there were plenty of fans happy to accept the Pardew/ Redknapp double standards. As for next season I personally don’t see the title going anywhere but either Manchester or Chelsea… which leaves a fight for fourth at best for a group of about 6 teams. As for delusional fans, I’d said Liverpool can’t touch Arsenal for that.
Colin(Quote)
Sharpy@150 I would agree with that 😀
kimtoon(Quote)
As for Liverpool/nufc rivalry – I hope it is just that, as it always has been pretty friendly between the two clubs. Liverpool are a proper club – proper supporters and always give a good craic when we go to anfield. Last season is one they will want to put behind them, not only the money spent on disappointing transfers, but the Suarez business which was very unsavoury.
As it stands the toon are in a better position at the moment – and should benefit from the consistency coming into this season- plus probably a better first 11 if we’re being honest at the moment.
geordiepat(Quote)
Colin ,I don’t doubt some Toon fans have double standards re Pards comments but certainly not all and obviously some get carried away on the hype of last season. Me personally when the fixture list comes out I always look at the last 7 games to see how many points we can get incase we are in a relegation battle 😉 , it don’t get any less unexpectant than that . I would love a top 6 finish again or a cup to speak of as it’s been a long long time and a bridge won’t cut it sadly. 🙄 much as I liked seeing us get it. 😀
kimtoon(Quote)
@sharpy… you and me both…. half the problem with Liverpool’s living in the past image comes because we have a load of high profile ex players spouting cr@p on the TV. Hansen, Thompson and Lawro and their Liverpool of old comments…. I wish they would put a sock in it. I always go in to the season with new found hope though… all part and parcel of supporting your team… but looking at our fixtures for the first 8 games… I’ll be wishing for the start of the 2013/14 before this Christmas.
Colin(Quote)
😀 Some bitter posters on here. Just got to laugh.
Good write up on the situation here too.
http://www.themag.co.uk/guest-writers/liverpool-cutting-their-losses-carroll-next/?
paulus(Quote)
Right guys, thanks for the good laugh but I really do need to go now… I’m hungry and I need to get down to the bins at the bottom of the road before they are emptied. 🙂 YNWA
Colin(Quote)
Bad luck for Besty… too bad. I like the kid & wish him well.
Fans Should Own The Club(Quote)
Fans@159 yes it’s rotten luck for the lad .
Also off topic but feel for Tom & Pete in the syncro dive final, just missed out on Bronze due to bad entry on 4th dive 🙄 was leading at 3rd round too 🙁
kimtoon(Quote)
@Colin, Good luck for the coming season (Except when playing us) Good craic mate
paulus(Quote)
Fans/Kim – we should offer Blackburn Ranger on loan for 3mths while Best is out. They may need a striker and Ranger needs a loan move to prove he’s worth keeping. Could be a good solutions all round – well other than poor Besty like. Hope he has a quick and uncomplicated recovery.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy@161 ,That’s a great idea.
kimtoon(Quote)
You gotta feel for Blackburn they are really having a bad time of it lately.
kimtoon(Quote)
he is worth half a crown at the most 😉
batty(Quote)
SHARPY thats very kind of you to poor b/burn,everything dave says about you is not true then 😉
icedog(Quote)
Ice – it was the boys idea, everything Dave says about me is pretty much spot on 😈 😆
Sharpy17(Quote)
😆 😆
penny pinching comes to mind http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-columnists/newcastle-united-to-tax-their-travelling-fans/?
icedog(Quote)
Kimtoon@163-Oh no you don’t. I bloody hate blackburn! More than the dippers and all 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Hope the club have Demba locked up somewhere as well, I’m like a hawk at the moment, waiting for any signs of a Sports Direct chopper en route to Portugal…
Newkie(Quote)
Ice – What do reckon our average away support would be? and how many away games are we likely to play this season – as I take it this will include cup and Europa games as well?
If you say 5k travelling fans to 25 away games that would be £125k cost to the club, or an extra quid per fan. As long as the money is kept in the club, it seems fair enough to me like mate.
Newkie – this may sound stupid – but I have a horrible feeling that Chelsea or Man Utd could make a last minute snatch of Ba. Really hope I’m wrong but until that clause expires I’m nervous, despite Bas assurances
Sharpy17(Quote)
SHARPY for me i couldnt give a ****,i stopped going to away games home games enough,means i can go to malta more often 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
make our shirt deal look small 🙁
http://www.thesportreview.com/tsr/2012/07/manchester-united-chevrolet-shirt-sponsorship-deal/?
icedog(Quote)
Ian Dennis BBC Sports is saying on Twitter that WHU have agreed a 2m loan fee with Liverpool with a view to 17m permanent deal should they not get relegated, if this is true, it makes further mockery of Rodgers recent statements about not allowing him to go out on loan.
Robert(Quote)
Ice – no me neither, so it’s probably easy for me to say but if the club have running cost and want to be self sufficient – that £125k could be as many as 5 people’s annual salary, for the sake of an extra quid on an away ticket.
Yeah, Man Utd are in a different galaxy when it comes to sponsorship deals.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy-Aye, that’s why we should have had a pre season in rural Nigeria or something, a good 48 hours away from any airports 😛 😡
Don’t think Chelski would go for him with all the new blood…but Demba is definitely better than Welbeck and more suited than Hernandez and Berbatov…hopefully they’ll just go for Van Persie…. 😕 😥
Newkie(Quote)
And the WHU deal for Carroll is being reported on BBC website
Robert(Quote)
Apparently Lee Ryder is saying that no one in the Carroll camp knows anything about it.
Andymag(Quote)
The Scum have bid 10mil for fletcher?….
😆
Newkie(Quote)
NEWKIE aye mate,and it has been knocked back 😯 thought he would have been handy at 4mill
icedog(Quote)
Newkie
Theyre idiots 😆 😆 , theyre paying more for him than we payed for Cissé, let’s see if he can equal Cisse’s goal tally 😀 .
Andymag(Quote)
I take it we still haven’t signed a 1st teamer 😀
So I see Best is out for up to 6mths 🙄 tis a pity but he has been setback with injury problems for the last couple of seasons, but atleast he’s not our problem anymore 😕
Big Dave(Quote)
Ice-4mil sounds about right, to be honest though we may as well have kept Best and got on with it…10/15mil is pretty ridiculous though…
Andy-Aye, lets see if he can score any goals like Cisse as well, he gets a fair few to be fair, but they’re all bundled in tbh, none of Cisse’s class
Newkie(Quote)
And they lost to the monkey hangers pre season? Didn’t even see that, class
Newkie(Quote)
cannot understand o!neil he left villa because learner cut the budget on players,and went to scum where short said they have to watch what they spend
icedog(Quote)
NEWKIE careful now pre-season means nowt,remember what happened to toon at a certain pre-season game 😉
icedog(Quote)
Icedog-Maybe they have to watch what they spend because they’re already lining O’neil’s personal pockets? 😉
Newkie(Quote)
The backtracking has started in earnest, bbc have removed the carroll story from their site, Talkshite are saying it was premature to announce the deal… 😆
If this is to force fat mick into matching a £19m bid for a player who scored 4 goals last year when we already have Ba and Cisse, They are barking up the wrong tree 🙄
CC(Quote)
Ice-True enough mate….we won’t talk about that again 😳 . Just happy because my old man will be pleased 😆
Newkie(Quote)
CC just checked its still on site mate
icedog(Quote)
hiya everyone
so hope the west ham news is true , carroll wont get a game at the toon and hes far too dear!! theres defo better players than him out there !
Army69(Quote)
NEWKIE pleased to know your dad looks out for the small teams in area,i do me-sel 😉
icedog(Quote)
CC-its still on man, they’re updating it with more info though.
Alreet army 😉
Newkie(Quote)
Ice
Sorry mate just read some clown on twatter saying they had removed it, Lots of denials all the same
CC(Quote)
Ice-He has to mate, he’s a monkey hanger born and bred!
Only other team I care about are the Heed 😉
Newkie(Quote)
NEWKIE my old team good on yer mate 😀
icedog(Quote)
Ice-Aye, weren’t you number 9 mate? Lucky ****** like!
Seen that they’ve signed James Brown?Jeff Stelling will be heart broken
Newkie(Quote)
CC aye mate its just carroll has returned back to l/pool today so something has to be said true or not 😀 😀
icedog(Quote)
NEWKIE kna 7 mate,aye geff might have to sell his doll 😆 😆
icedog(Quote)
Ice-Ah right my mistake, aye the doll was class 😀
Newkie(Quote)
I think it’s funny how many on here run Carroll down that he’s **** and only worth this and that, but I can’t remember them saying that when he was banging them in for us, or I can’t remember many celebrating when he went to the dippers 😳 personally if he comes back i’d be happy but if he doesn’t I won’t worry too much, but I honestly believe he is a better player than what we seen at Dippers and what I seen of him while he was with us is enough for me.
Ice did you not help form the Heed or was Richie spoofing 😆 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Big Dave@200 Agree with that. 😀
kimtoon(Quote)
DAVE you know better than that you must remember taking me by the hand to go watch em,you were first grown up to show me a football 😉
icedog(Quote)
Ice 😆 good one 😀
Kim 😉 how fickle some fans are 😀 I honestly believe the Lad has regretted it from he signed but there was fuk all he could do about it. But I just find it funny that fans on here are saying how **** etc he is but still Alan Shearer and a few others think he is the future England No 9 and I would tend to think that they know a wee bit more about strikers than the fans on here running him down 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Newkie – sorry mate, bedtime for boyo again.
My Chelsea concern stems from there interest in Moses. If Wigan want £10m for him, they may think £7m for Ba is a better option.
If Man Utd let Berbatov go for £5m, Ba at £7m wouldn’t be a bad replacement.
Sharpy17(Quote)
Sharpy-True…but I just think that as Torres is bang on for centre forward he’s unlikely to want to partner anyone….will Ba want to play out on the left for Chelsea when he could do the same here? Obviously he could get better wages and titles though…but the way he played out on the left for us in the second half should have put them off…hopefully..
He’d be good for manure, but I get the feeling they want Van Persie and to bring the young uns like welbeck and hernandez through, and with Rooney essentally a guaranteed start I’m not sure they’d fancy him…
Newkie(Quote)
http://www.themag.co.uk/guest-writers/olympics-manager-plays-the-newcastle-united-card/?
and I see talksport are saying that Milan will try to get Debuchy 🙄 doesn’t surprise me as he seems cheap enough for a top quality French international
Big Dave(Quote)
Save-Kinda agree with you I’ve never doubted Carroll’s aerial ability, he’s an absolute monster-and a good player if you decide to build your team around him.
I did say earlier that 35 mil wasn’t actually that bad for liverpool, I think most of us accepted it at the time for the circumstances and we were pissed off we couldn’t reinvest it. Luckily for us it’s worked out a dream so now people are getting a bit over critical of him….but still, I don’t see how anyone could rate him for over 15mil, and I can’t see how he’d ever get into our first team..
Newkie(Quote)
Dave ,that link you put up ,you beat me to it . 😉 nice touch to change the strip ,once a Toon fan always a Toon fan. 😎
kimtoon(Quote)
Dave even*
Newkie(Quote)
Newkie ,do you not think he’d get better quality balls played to him in our set up though . People say it would mean a return to hoofball but I would dispute that . I thought his first touch at the Euros in that game was good and he just needs quality balls played into him something he never got at Liverpool . He’s also great when defending set plays as well imo.
kimtoon(Quote)
Newkie thats fair enough mate I just don’t get the he’s **** etc and he’s only worth a few mil etc etc. I agree I don’t think he is worth more than £15mil or so but I do think if he got back to his best he would be worth more, and I do believe he would be a main stay of the England team for yrs to come.
Newkie we scored 1 goal I think from corners last season and we let a brave few goals in from set pieces Carroll was a beast at that.
Big Dave(Quote)
I agree he’s not worth more than £15m but if MA wants to pay more who are we to question him ,after all it’s his money to do what he wants with. I’m not his banker ,wish I was though as would be quite rich I imagine 🙄 .
kimtoon(Quote)
Kim @ 210 100% could you imagine if fat Tugboat got 12 goals feeding of carrolls knock downs how many Cisse would score feeding of him
Big Dave(Quote)
Kimtoon-With how we play currently as in 4-3-3? No imo he’d get worse service, our front three with Ba and Benny on the wings is not built for Carroll imo, even more so if Santon is on the left still because he’ll never/can’t cross either. Marveux can cross but is another who much prefers to cut inside and shoot, Jonas is Jonas and Obertan isn’t a winger either. So even with a 4-4-2, we really don’t have the wingers for him.
Add to that our dead ball delivery from either Cabaye or Raylor just isn’t as good as Bartons was imo. People slag him off all the time nowadays, but when you consider how ineffective we are as a team without him taking our corners and drifted free kicks it makes you take note…
I agree with you in that it wouldn’t neccessarily mean a return to hoofball, but I’d rather play like we do in a 4-3-3 with very little of it, and only use it as a tactic when neccessary.
Newkie(Quote)
Steve Wraith and cwarr are piping up 🙄 thats me away, Be back on at 1 minute past midnight wednesday morning… 😉
CC(Quote)
Kim the other thing is even if we did pay £15mil for him its basically like the Dippers paying us a £20mil loan fee for him 😆 😆
Big Dave(Quote)
Dave- I know, the corner thing is a joke, but I wouldn’t want Carroll on the pitch purely for that kind of danger you know? And to be honest I don’t think he has better attributes, when everything is considered, than Benny, Ba or Cisse,so I don’t know where he’d play…
When you consider Staylor, Bambi, Nolan,Colo all scored from corners in a season where Barton was delivering to now well….We have good headerers in our team, just bad tactics from set pieces imo, and poor delivery.
Newkie(Quote)
CC what are they on about ❓
Big Dave(Quote)
big dave @203, Shearer said the same thing about Heskey and Shola years ago too 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁 🙁
toonsoldier9(Quote)
Dave, agree he offers something different and very useful.
Premandup(Quote)
Carroll does offer something different. But for 19m, he better offer every **** thing
MDS(Quote)
Yeah…I love Shearer don’t get me wrong, but judging by what he says on MOTD most of the time, he doesn’t half talk some **** 😕 Legend or not like… 😆
Newkie(Quote)
DAVE i must say on carroll people say he has no touch,well the way he turned our c/b at sjp was something i never saw him do while he was here,then he took the dive 😉 and he showed a couple of nice touches at the euros in the short time he was on,so maybe he is picking things up,but i cannot understand some to go from hero to zero does not wash,but 12/13mil max for me or move on
icedog(Quote)
Newkie im not doubting you but I think a few of them were from Carroll winning the ball and knocking it down cause I can remember a few goal box scrambles, so I was a big admirer of Joey but I don’t think it was just down to him, saying that I think Cabaye delivers a good ball but we have been lacking in good set pieces.
I have said it before I think Carroll would over more than Ba but thats just my opinion
Toonsoldier I don’t know what he said about Heskey ?? but I do know that Shola had the potential but due to injuries etc he never fulfilled that 😉
But Shearer is not the only one that has said it and im not just basing my opinion on what they said
Big Dave(Quote)